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Pilsburry · Post by **Pilsburry** » July 21, 2003, 12:37 pm

Stupidity kills people. Drunk driving is a form of stupidity, only loosely associated with alcohol.

Alcohol doesn't kill many people directly. It's the stupidity that does.

I don't drive drunk, I get a ride home, or I don't drink much...so my own health risk from drinking and others health risks from my drinking do not include drunk driving.

Also to Aslanna, there is no point in drinking 2 beers....that's 300+ calories for no reason. You drink to get a buzz, it doesn't taste better than soda etc...

And with EQ I have to admit, if it was possible for me to play casually, it would be a great thing in my life...but unfortunately I could not manage it.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 21, 2003, 12:48 pm

Also to Aslanna, there is no point in drinking 2 beers....that's 300+ calories for no reason. You drink to get a buzz, it doesn't taste better than soda etc...

Oh geez we're back to the calories thing again. I was simply stating that recent studies have shown that alcohol, in moderation, actually has been shown to have a positive effect on health. That sounds like the opposite of "no reason" to me.

You're free to weigh the pros and cons if you wish. There's a lot more ways to have 1-2 drinks than beer. Have a glass of wine.. Down a shot.. Or don't. I don't care. Do whatever makes you happy.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » July 21, 2003, 3:41 pm

to confirm, I have also read that 1 to 2 glasses of red wine a day is supposed to be good for your heart.

Post by **Sylvus** » February 6, 2007, 2:47 pm

I'm just about in my 60th hour of being smoke-free. I thought you guys would like to know.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » February 6, 2007, 3:50 pm

Get a pack of gum!

Jarori Bloodletter · Post by **Jarori Bloodletter** » February 6, 2007, 3:57 pm

I started when i was 9 smoked 1 pack a day (Salems) till I was 33, quit then met my 2nd wife.. smoked for 6 more yrs (Salems) quit for good this time , its been 9 yrs now somedays I want one then I got over to a buds house he lights up and i allmost puke..Thank god.

Its not easy, Hang in there.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » February 6, 2007, 4:19 pm

Jarori Bloodletter wrote:I started when i was 9 smoked 1 pack a day (Salems) till I was 33, quit then met my 2nd wife.. smoked for 6 more yrs (Salems) quit for good this time , its been 9 yrs now somedays I want one then I got over to a buds house he lights up and i allmost puke..Thank god.

Its not easy, Hang in there.

This is just hypothetical:

If you were to smoke one cigarette right now for no reason, would it hook you?

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 6, 2007, 4:28 pm

Not to hijack this thread but that post from Pilsburry... Ok, I don't have a point, it's just sad reading it

Grats on quitting. I quit years ago but I still smoke on occasion, only when I drink. I don't drink often, and it seems like when I do smoke it's when I drink to excess which I rarely do anymore. In fact, I probably have only smoked 15 cigarettes in the last year. I haven't had one in months.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » February 6, 2007, 4:45 pm

I started when I was 18 with Cloves only. Once I was smoking WAY too many of those a day, I switched to Marlboro Mediums and some Camel "flavor" that wasn't too strong. I quit 1/24/06, haven't had one since. I tried the Commit Lozenge (sp) and had a very bad reaction to them, and moved to the Nicorette patches which worked great. I only felt "withdrawal" effects on, I think, weeks two and three.

I bought a pack once out of habit about a week after quitting, and I gave it away to a homeless guy that asked for a smoke about 2 blocks from the gas station. I bet he didn't expect to get a full pack out of asking.

Even though smoking in bars is banned here in Austin, some still "allow" people to light up. I almost threw up on the way home from a night out due to the smell in my clothes. It really wasn't something that I noticed when I still smoked, and I was shocked at how strong it was. I had to do laundry the next day to keep my closet from smelling like stale smoke. Walking through the smoke outside of a random venue is enough incentive for me to not want to light up again.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » February 6, 2007, 4:50 pm

Pilsburry wrote:Stupidity kills people. Drunk driving is a form of stupidity, only loosely associated with alcohol.

Alcohol doesn't kill many people directly. It's the stupidity that does.

I don't drive drunk, I get a ride home, or I don't drink much...so my own health risk from drinking and others health risks from my drinking do not include drunk driving.

Also to Aslanna, there is no point in drinking 2 beers....that's 300+ calories for no reason. You drink to get a buzz, it doesn't taste better than soda etc...

And with EQ I have to admit, if it was possible for me to play casually, it would be a great thing in my life...but unfortunately I could not manage it.

so is it safe to say Pils was stupid?

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 6, 2007, 5:08 pm

I quit Nov 20, glad I did though it wasn't really my choice

I'm trying hard not to be an asshole ex-smoker, and partially succeeding I think.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » February 6, 2007, 5:34 pm

Sylvus wrote:I'm just about in my 60th hour of being smoke-free. I thought you guys would like to know.

Well done sir. Keep it up!

I quit Jan 1st myself. (Not a new year's resolution, that's just when I finished off what I had already decided to be the last pack I buy, heh).

I've yet to have a night of big drinking though, which is normally when I feel an itch.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » February 6, 2007, 5:55 pm

good job sylvus, go to your local bar and have a pitcher or two to celebrate!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » February 6, 2007, 6:01 pm

YES! DEFY AUTHORITY! SMOKE WHILE DOING SO!

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » February 6, 2007, 6:05 pm

i quit 2 years ago but a few times a month i will smoke a cigar out on the patio whilst my dog runs around in the yard.

Al · Post by Al » February 6, 2007, 6:45 pm

I quit close to 3 years ago after having smoked for 14 years. I still feel the same physically as I did when I smoked. I never get cravings, though I never got them when I smoked, and there were times when I would smoke 3-4 packs a day. I guess I was more of a casual smoker... If I had a cigerette to smoke, I would smoke it if I wanted to, if I didn't, I wouldn't and wouldn't care.

icknay · Post by **icknay** » February 8, 2007, 12:21 am

I quit in October '95. The first two weeks were pretty rough but not as tough as those first few days. I had cravings for a long time, though. Even years later I'd see someone smoking in traffic and suddenly want one...or occasionally I'd get the urge with that first sip of morning coffee or just after a meal. But with time even these random hankerings have subsided.
KEEP GOING. Don't smoke. I used the withdrawals, etc. as a tool. I knew that if I started smoking again, I'd have to quit again and then I'd have to suffer through it again...so I just kept not smoking.
Change things as much as you need to. If you had a certain smoking chair where you sat, smoked and watched TV.......don't sit there. Hell get rid of the chair and get a new one...then promise yourself not to foul the fabric with the stench. After all, you don't smoke anymore. Don't do some of the things you did when you smoked. If you smoked on the phone, get a cordless and walk around with a glass of water while you talk. You can do anything without smoking, but the first few days you should not hesitate to change your surrounds/old habits that might lead you back to the dope.
The cig companies do their damndest to get us addicted and take our money every day...don't let them win!
Throw away all your ashtrays, give away all your lighters...don't let people smoke in your house or car.
Hang in, you're doing great.
Nick

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » February 8, 2007, 10:05 am

Heh wow this is an old thread.

Right now, 3 and a half years later and I still do not smoke cigarettes.

Quitting was one of the better choices I have made in life. I encourage any smokers to do their best, if for no other reason than in Michigan people are paying 40+bucks a carton, and that means my old habit would have been 170-220 a month. I know some places are cheaper and some more expensive, but regardless they are not healthy.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » February 8, 2007, 12:14 pm

Kylere wrote: Right now, 3 and a half years later and I still do not smoke cigarettes.

20 bowls a day, mang!

As I said in the other thread, gave up 2 years ago after 20 years. My wife getting pregnant was the spur I needed. Shame about the weight-gain as a result but I'm working on that now and am down 15-20 lbs since new-year.

I'll smoke pot very occasionally if its pure. Cigarettes still smell delicious when I'm drunk but the main factor for me is the money - I can't see myself wasting all that lovely cash again on such a pointless self-destructive habit. There are so many other pointless ways to spend it

Soreali · Post by **Soreali** » February 11, 2007, 7:38 pm

Well...it is now hour 15 since my last smoke and im gonna keep it that way..this thread was actually one of my motivations to stop so thanks!

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » February 12, 2007, 1:22 am

WHY THE FUCK HAS THIS THREAD NOT BEEN DELETED?Q??!?!?!?!?!

THIS COMMUNITY WILL NOT STAND FOR A THREAD LIKE THIS!!!!

Kyoukan and Kylere have found common ground!

oh yeah, get bent Pilsbury

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » February 12, 2007, 2:21 am

Voronwe wrote:oh yeah, get bent Pilsbury

Isn't he dead?

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » February 12, 2007, 2:56 am

I smoked 2 cigarettes while reading this thread.

noel · Post by **noel** » February 12, 2007, 3:34 am

Leonaerd wrote:
Voronwe wrote:oh yeah, get bent Pilsbury
Isn't he dead?

From drunk driving. Irony.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » February 12, 2007, 10:32 am

noel wrote:
Leonaerd wrote:
Voronwe wrote:oh yeah, get bent Pilsbury
Isn't he dead?
From drunk driving. Irony.

Didn't he take a car full of people with him too?

noel · Post by **noel** » February 12, 2007, 10:52 am

The thread where it was discussed/announced was unfortunately lost in one of the database hiccups we had here.

I believe he did, but I don't remember that well.

Post by **Sylvus** » February 12, 2007, 11:35 am

I think I'm on like day 9, haven't touched a smoke. I think I'm over the hump, it's not even that difficult anymore.

Good luck to anyone else who is working on quitting.

Soreali · Post by **Soreali** » February 12, 2007, 12:28 pm

Goin on 32 hours so far...not really that hard so I think if I can go 2-3 days i'll be good..

Nick · Post by **Nick** » February 13, 2007, 5:44 am

I fucking love smoking. Sorry!

Soreali · Post by **Soreali** » February 13, 2007, 12:07 pm

I did too...Espicially when I drank! Just not for $6.75 a pack everyday.. I also hated my car smelling like smoke and the ashes in the back seat and myself smelling like smoke. I also enjoy working out enough to realize smoking pretty much kills all the work I do in the gym. So I decided it was time to call it quits...

55 hours now btw....haven't been tempted yet!

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 13, 2007, 12:16 pm

It gets easier. I never though the smell of cigarettes would make me sick, but it does now...unless I'm drinking.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » February 13, 2007, 1:35 pm

Lalanae wrote:It gets easier. I never though the smell of cigarettes would make me sick, but it does now...unless I'm drinking.

It does that for me even when I am drinking.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » February 13, 2007, 2:10 pm

I still like the smell but a good whiff gives me a headache now.

Jarori Bloodletter · February 13, 2007, 2:51 pm

Leonaerd wrote:
Jarori Bloodletter wrote:I started when i was 9 smoked 1 pack a day (Salems) till I was 33, quit then met my 2nd wife.. smoked for 6 more yrs (Salems) quit for good this time , its been 9 yrs now somedays I want one then I got over to a buds house he lights up and i allmost puke..Thank god.

Its not easy, Hang in there.
This is just hypothetical:

If you were to smoke one cigarette right now for no reason, would it hook you?

Nope.

Sylvos · Post by **Sylvos** » February 13, 2007, 5:08 pm

Quitting is for quiters.
Quitrer jerkface quitter.

Post by **Sylvus** » March 6, 2007, 1:55 pm

If anyone is interested, it's now been more than a month and I have not touched a lit cigarette. I did however hold an unlit one in my hand one time when I was at the bar. I mostly just chewed straws when I had the urge to smoke.

I also cheated and used this new drug called Chantix that my doctor prescribed me, and it has worked phenomenally well. I highly recommend it if you're interested in quitting. It's not the cheapest drug, but if you rationalize it that it will cost you about as much as you spend on cigarettes, your net result comes up a push. I didn't mention it at first because I wanted to see how well it worked first.

My doctor is a family friend and he worked with Pfizer on some of the early trials of the drug. He told me that I was the 49th person he'd prescribed it to, and all but 2 of the previous people were still not smoking with it (I think their clinical trials say it works for about 70% of people). The other two quit because they experienced some pretty bad nausea. I experienced the nausea myself (and never have before on drugs that even list it as their main side effect), but I found that as long as I ate a full meal before taking it (as recommended), I have had no problems since.

Not trying to sound like a Pfizer shill or anything (I own no stock. Hell, those bastards were the #1 private employer in my county and are closing up shop, so fuck them!), but this really worked well and I highly recommend it for anyone interested in quitting. I'd tried to quit smoking a million times before, and this actually made it easy. Good luck!

noel · Post by **noel** » March 6, 2007, 1:57 pm

I'm just curious, but:

1) what's your motivation for quitting?

2) did your motivation to quit have any effect on any of your other habits?

3) if not, is it hard to quit one type of smoking but not another?

Vague as possible to avoid any unwanted attention.

Post by **Sylvus** » March 6, 2007, 2:29 pm

It was a number of things, and you're right, my motivations probably helped, but more with the recidivism than actually stopping the physical cravings. I'd always told myself I'd quit if I had kids or before I turned 30. 30 is coming up in a couple months.

Also, my dad (who has never smoked and always hated that I smoked) was diagnosed with colon cancer last fall. Before he received any treatment and during one of my stages of grief when I was sure he was going to die, I voiced my promise to him that I'd quit smoking before I was 30. Then he got part of his colon removed, they got rid of all of the cancer, and he's fine now, the bastard!

Oh, now I see what you're getting at with the later questions. No, I didn't quit smoking pot, and I have smoked it since I quit smoking cigarettes. I realize it has negative effects on your lungs and may be carcinogenic for all I know, but I use it pretty infrequently and I'm not too worried about that. I'm in the "pot isn't addictive" camp, and it's never been like I had cravings for it or had any trouble not smoking it for months at a time. I smoke it when or if I feel like it, because it makes me enjoy watching movies or playing video games a little bit more. Cigarettes I smoked because I had to, and I'd want to start punching throats if I didn't have one for a long enough period of time.

The way that my doctor described it to me, and what other research has shown, is that ingesting nicotine causes your brain to produce dopamine, like heroin or other opiates. When your brain doesn't get that boost of dopamine that it so enjoys, it gets mad and makes you have any number of withdrawal symptoms until you smoke a cig and make it happy. The reason he was so keen on this new drug was that it continuously stimulates your brain into doing what smoking a cig does for it, except it's on a much smaller scale. So your brain never gets mad and tells you that you have to have one now. He said it's possible that some people will have those kinds of cravings once they go off of the drug, but by that time the habitual part of having something in your hand, or smoking after you eat, or any of those types of things that you're just "used to" are gone and it's much easier. Alternatively, he said they can also just taper off the dosage for people who are having trouble with that.

In a nutshell:
1) Smoking will eventually kill me if I don't.
2) Not really.
3) Yes. It's hard to quit smoking tobacco (and crack and heroin from what I hear) and nowhere near as hard to quit smoking pot. Unless you associate all your happiness with smoking pot, in which case it's more of a psychological addiction to not wanting to lose that happiness than it is a physical addiction of you body needing it.

noel · Post by **noel** » March 6, 2007, 3:01 pm

Sylvus wrote:It was a number of things, and you're right, my motivations probably helped, but more with the recidivism than actually stopping the physical cravings. I'd always told myself I'd quit if I had kids or before I turned 30. 30 is coming up in a couple months.

Also, my dad (who has never smoked and always hated that I smoked) was diagnosed with colon cancer last fall. Before he received any treatment and during one of my stages of grief when I was sure he was going to die, I voiced my promise to him that I'd quit smoking before I was 30. Then he got part of his colon removed, they got rid of all of the cancer, and he's fine now, the bastard!

Oh, now I see what you're getting at with the later questions. No, I didn't quit smoking pot, and I have smoked it since I quit smoking cigarettes. I realize it has negative effects on your lungs and may be carcinogenic for all I know, but I use it pretty infrequently and I'm not too worried about that. I'm in the "pot isn't addictive" camp, and it's never been like I had cravings for it or had any trouble not smoking it for months at a time. I smoke it when or if I feel like it, because it makes me enjoy watching movies or playing video games a little bit more. Cigarettes I smoked because I had to, and I'd want to start punching throats if I didn't have one for a long enough period of time.

The way that my doctor described it to me, and what other research has shown, is that ingesting nicotine causes your brain to produce dopamine, like heroin or other opiates. When your brain doesn't get that boost of dopamine that it so enjoys, it gets mad and makes you have any number of withdrawal symptoms until you smoke a cig and make it happy. The reason he was so keen on this new drug was that it continuously stimulates your brain into doing what smoking a cig does for it, except it's on a much smaller scale. So your brain never gets mad and tells you that you have to have one now. He said it's possible that some people will have those kinds of cravings once they go off of the drug, but by that time the habitual part of having something in your hand, or smoking after you eat, or any of those types of things that you're just "used to" are gone and it's much easier. Alternatively, he said they can also just taper off the dosage for people who are having trouble with that.

In a nutshell:
1) Smoking will eventually kill me if I don't.
2) Not really.
3) Yes. It's hard to quit smoking tobacco (and crack and heroin from what I hear) and nowhere near as hard to quit smoking pot. Unless you associate all your happiness with smoking pot, in which case it's more of a psychological addiction to not wanting to lose that happiness than it is a physical addiction of you body needing it.

Thanks. I realize I've been asking a lot of crazy questions today, but I'm genuinely curious. I've been told by many people that pot isn't addictive, but that it varies from person to person. I think your logic on why someone might become addicted to it is spot on. I was just curious if smoking pot made it more or less difficult to quit cigarettes, but in your case there appears to be a clear separation.

Soreali · Post by **Soreali** » March 6, 2007, 4:47 pm

noel wrote:I'm just curious, but:

1) what's your motivation for quitting?

2) did your motivation to quit have any effect on any of your other habits?

3) if not, is it hard to quit one type of smoking but not another?

Vague as possible to avoid any unwanted attention.

I quit for my own reasons this time.. Last time I quit because my ex-girlfriend the bitch wanted me to...as soon as we split up i went and bought a pack (literally within 3 minutes or so).. This time around I'm quitting for myself..I started going back to the gym and working out again.. I'd have a smoke on my way there and one heading home.. finally i just said to myself "what the fuck am i going to the gym for?" "I just throw away everything i worked for in the last 2 hours"

It was the best decision I could have made...Im working my ass off at the gym everytime I'm there.. I'm running a lot more (I've had asthma my whole life...its gotten better as I get older) and I just feel a fuckload better about myself..

I think to quit smoking cigarettes is probably a butt ton harder than to quit smoking anything else (*cough* pot *cough*) I've had friends who have had to quit smoking "other kinds" of smokes because of a job or something else and they had no problem at all...even sitting right next to it they never caved...

by the way,

SMOB-omet-ER for Gary
Last cigarette.......... 2/11/2007 3:00:00 AM
SMOBER...................0y 0m 23d 11h 46m 30s
Cigarettes not smoked... 328.8688
Amount saved............ 106.06
Life reclaimed (days)... 1.1419

Time is now........... 3/6/2007 2:46:30 PM

Hope this helps Noel.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » March 7, 2007, 12:40 am

Grats Sylvus!

BTW as for pot, check out 23 Reasons to Smoke Marijuana which includes the fact that Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer and Shows No Increased Risk for Even the Heaviest Marijuana Smokers!

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » July 16, 2008, 5:31 pm

Five years clean, five years since I pumped nicotine into my body. Five years since my divorce, five years since my marriage to the RIGHT woman. Five years since I chose life over death. Five years of being excellent to myself. Five years gone by. ..

At the current $4.20 a pack here in Michigan I have now saved $23k

Anyone can change anything they do not like about their lives, they just have to decide to STFU and do it.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » July 16, 2008, 7:29 pm

Grats!

Xanupox · Post by **Xanupox** » July 16, 2008, 9:25 pm

Kylere wrote:Five years clean, five years since I pumped nicotine into my body. Five years since my divorce, five years since my marriage to the RIGHT woman. Five years since I chose life over death. Five years of being excellent to myself. Five years gone by. ..

At the current $4.20 a pack here in Michigan I have now saved $23k

Anyone can change anything they do not like about their lives, they just have to decide to STFU and do it.

Yeah, grats on your "new life". Hope it lasts till you decide to change it.

The only thing I don't like about your new life, is how you just dumped the group of us in EQ2... you bitch fucking cock mongler faggotlickingballsnatcherwhoreofabitch mage.

Yeah, I think you made the right choice in those days. EQ2 was a dead end, the group of us quit a month or so later. Cannot let that CT dread die a soft and quite death it seems.

D&D with just the 6 of us was the best... once we got max level and that dragon encounter popped up, well it fuxked us good! Grats on smoke free, maybe my wife will come to her senses some day.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » July 17, 2008, 12:18 pm

Kylere wrote:Five years clean, five years since I pumped nicotine into my body. Five years since my divorce, five years since my marriage to the RIGHT woman. Five years since I chose life over death. Five years of being excellent to myself. Five years gone by. ..

At the current $4.20 a pack here in Michigan I have now saved $23k

Anyone can change anything they do not like about their lives, they just have to decide to STFU and do it.

I'll be at five years on July 23. I had to quit before the end of that month because I wanted to be smoke free for one year before trying to have a child. Your post five years ago bumped my desire to quit up a week.

---
4y 11m 3w 2d 13:28 smoke-free, 43,689 cigs not smoked, $12,997.48 saved, 4m 4w 2d 16:45 life saved

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » July 17, 2008, 12:33 pm

Kylere wrote:Five years clean, five years since I pumped nicotine into my body. Five years since my divorce, five years since my marriage to the RIGHT woman. Five years since I chose life over death. Five years of being excellent to myself. Five years gone by. ..

At the current $4.20 a pack here in Michigan I have now saved $23k

Anyone can change anything they do not like about their lives, they just have to decide to STFU and do it.

Didn't know you were still lurking here, sir! Grats on everything!

It's only been about 6 or 7 months since I quit smoking and I don't regret it one bit. I want to smoke a bit from time to time, but it usually passes almost immediately.

Noysyrump · Post by **Noysyrump** » July 18, 2008, 6:48 am

So at first i was getting a little bothered by the necropost bullshit.

But however, since it was necro posted by Kylere himself, This thread has somehow been quite inspirationsal.

I quit about 2 weeks ago. Not cold turkey, but by way of OPCs (other peoples ciggarettes). Usually, this method works every time. I get tired of 'bumming' the ciggarets, and just stop entirely. However comma, it did not work. I bought a 2 for 1 pack today and 1 pack down. Its fuking hard, and the next stupid bitch ass mother fuker who has never smoked says that smoking is disgusting, im gonna choke the living fuk out of. If you dont know, just GTFO and STFU.

Kylere. Old man, im glad to hear things are going well for you. It's been a long time and I have missed ya pal. OVH forever bitches.

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