VeeshanVault

Posted: **July 17, 2003, 5:11 pm**

People are genetically pre-disposed to carry fat in different parts of their body. Most men carry fat in their bellies, chest or butt. Men who carry fat in their bellies are more susceptible to diabetes btw.

Women usually carry fat in their thighs or ass. Because you are genetically pre-disposed to carry fat in a certain part of your body does not mean you are pre-disposed to HAVE fat in a certain part of your body. The only real exception is for people who have a medical weight problem like a malfunctioning thyroid.

So you can stop fooling yourself that you're a fatty because its in your genes now. You're a tub because somewhere along the lines in your trailer park upbringing you have been convinced that sitting under a tree with a gigantic rifle for 8 hours waiting to shoot a deer is actually a sport. Go to a gym and excercise.

Posted: **July 17, 2003, 5:15 pm**

Hey dumbfuck.

How about you go back and read my first post again?

And anytime your itty-bitty ass wants to learn about excersize, come on down and help me run the farm, you city-bred waste of oxygen. I burn more calories in a day than you could even wrap your gums around.

Posted: **July 17, 2003, 6:14 pm**

Yes I am sure beating your wife/cousin and chasing donkeys around the yard with your pants around your ankles is really physically taxing and everything, but you are the idiot with his fucking stomach swinging around his ankles. My city-bred 5% bodyfat frame does just fine doing actual real excercises that don't make me look like a backy chewing fucking redneck "farmer" with a beach ball shoved up the front of my mustard-stained NASCAR t-shirt from Wal-Mart.

I thought you had a desk job? man your career seems to change with the content of whatever thread you are posting in.'

edit: har har 5%

Posted: **July 17, 2003, 9:52 pm**

I spent today evaluating upgrade paths for our citys records management software. I spent this evening excersizing horses, fixing a broken waterer for our cattle and longeing a mare that is about due for saddle-breaking.

When you can work in the sun for fourteen hours straight and grin about it afterwards, you call me. Until then you can take your unoriginal redneck jokes and shove them in your glute-o-cizer or whatever the hell this weeks fashion trend is.

And for the record (not that it will mean a damn thing to you) the ground in front of my feet is in no danger from a gun, much less a deer. Sitting is for idiots who think hunting success comes in shrink-wrapped packages at sporting goods stores. If you ever manage to find me on a hunt, you are free to criticize. Until then fuck off. Your stereotypes don't fit me any more than your imagination can encompass me.

Posted: **July 17, 2003, 9:59 pm**

kyoukan wrote:Yes I am sure beating your wife/cousin and chasing donkeys around the yard with your pants around your ankles is really physically taxing and everything, but you are the idiot with his fucking stomach swinging around his ankles. My city-bred .5% bodyfat frame does just fine doing actual real excercises that don't make me look like a backy chewing fucking redneck "farmer" with a beach ball shoved up the front of my mustard-stained NASCAR t-shirt from Wal-Mart.

I thought you had a desk job? man your career seems to change with the content of whatever thread you are posting in.

.5%?

I'm 6%, and I cycle nearly every day. Lance Armstrong is 5% when he's peaking in preparation for the Tour de France.

.5% for a girl is pretty much impossible. Even 5% would be extremely unhealthy, as well as unlikely. A really healthy girl might come in around 12% (if she was completely flatchested), but I'm sorry, .5% is unreal. Perhaps you meant 15%?

The rest of what you said about fat, where it is etc I largely agree with.

Did some quick research, and found the following from the American Council on exercise:

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General Body Fat Percentage Categories

Classification     Women (% fat)         Men (% fat) 
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Essential Fat      10-12%                2-4% 
Athletes           14-20%                6-13% 
Fitness            21-24%                14-17% 
Acceptable         25-31%                18-25% 
Obese              32% plus              25% plus 

*American Council on Exercise

http://www.healthchecksystems.com/bodyfat.htm

I apologize for the formatting.

Regarding the 6/8 pack, I don't have one at the moment, but here are a few suggestions/things you should know:

1. If you want an 8 pack, you need to do an incredible amount of cardio. 45 minutes is a good start, but I'd recommend about double that depending on your current body fat. You can do crunches until you die, and you'll have a very strong stomach, but no one will be able to see it if you don't do cardio.

2. Always start your stomach routine with exercises that focus on your lower rectus abdominus, because that's the area of your stomach that will fatigue the fastest. If you do proper cardio, more than 50 repetitions per set are largely unecessary. When I do stomach, I begin with exercises such as leg raises or body curls that focus on the lower abdominals, then I do crossovers of different types to hit my external obliques, and finally I end with crunches which work to define my upper abdominals. I've never needed to do more than 50 repetitions per set, and I rarely do more than three sets of a given exercise.

3. I've read on more than one occasion that working out your stomach with weights is a bad idea. The reason being is that it will make your stomach look unaturally big, and harder to define. I'm not sure I agree with this, but I've never needed to use weight on my stomach.

Personally, I think it's all about the cardio if you want to lose fat/define your stomach, and I'd recommand you tailor your workout accordingly.

Posted: **July 17, 2003, 10:26 pm**

Xzion

YUBZ DATZ ME OL BRUDDA! HUGZ

HAR!

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Pils

If you want great muscledevelopment, just using high weights is not the key.

You need to do the excersizes strict! Muscle-control! When you train arms, make sure you feel the burn in your biceps and not use shoulders, lower arms.

When you do back, make sure you feel it in your lats, and not in your arms! When you do chins, make sure you feel it in your lats and not in your arms! Many use wristwraps just to relieve the arms and "pull" with the correct muscle instead.

Ofcourse you need to use a high weight to "SHOCK" the muscle to make it grow, but you must have muscle contact.

If you do heavy weights and you "cheat" all the time, i.e lift with more muscles than you are training, using the whole body when doing curls (LOL!) for example, you won't get the wanted musclegains and are more prone to injuries!

Use the weight that you feel you can handle while doing 8-10 STRICT reps per set, and it is important that you feel the particular muscle you are working is getting the stress, not the whole arm if you work biceps for example.

I can also send you a diet if you want to see some good results.

70-80 % is dieting, the rest is training and sleeping(when you grow!).

High protein-intake is one of the buildingstones.

Some want to build muscle and burn fat at the same time.

Instead i think you should eat like a horse(the right diet with lots of protein), train like an animal and sleep like a SLOTH!

And when you have gained OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of desired mass(some will be fat as well

), you will start the definition period with another diet.

Burn the fat, do morningwalks before breakfast and use a totally different diet and you will see abs, hanging lats and devastating delts!

Defined and with MASS with CLASS!

Remember Pils, It's not the weight, it's how you handle it!

To lift as much as possible is the area of powerlifting, not bodybuilding.

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Kyo

What equipment did you use that measured 0.5 % bodyfat on your bod? Omron?

I would like to know!

Posted: **July 17, 2003, 10:46 pm**

no I meant 5%

I originally typed 19.5 BMI but I deleted it because probably hardly anyone knows the BMI scale, so I changed it to a %.

Yes my body fat index is freakishly low.

Posted: **July 17, 2003, 10:56 pm**

Ah i see!

When you said you had 0.5 % i thought i was talkin to a livin corpse here!

Got a bit worried!

HUGZ!

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 1:42 am**

no I meant 5%

I originally typed 19.5 BMI but I deleted it because probably hardly anyone knows the BMI scale, so I changed it to a %.

Yes my body fat index is freakishly low.

That type of freakishyly anorexia ? Or just very thin.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 2:17 am**

I don't think Kyoukan is right about genetic dispositions..it seems that some people can just eat anything and not gain weight, and some people can excercise a lot and diet and not lose much weight...

-=Lohrno

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 2:40 am**

It's all about how different types of people burn fat!

Different bodytypes, different types of fatburning!

Some can eat loads and still not gain muscle or fat, while some have to eat loads and train constantly to gain a little amount of muscle just because they have so high burn!

Endomorphs

Endomorphs gain fat very easily, they burn fat very slowly. Have a more round bodyshape where the fat settles on the stomach-area, lovehandles etc Most concentrated to the abdominal area, smooth contours and a high waist. A good example of an extreme Endomorph would be Santa Claus!

Mesomorphs

They gain muscle easiest of the three bodytypes (there are of course combinations of these three bodytypes) and have generally a squareness and hardness to the body due to large bones and well-defined muscles.
An extreme Mesomorph would be Tarzan!

Ectomorphs

Have trouble gaining muscle and fat. Very delicate with light bones and slight muscles. A linear bodyshape. Have to work real hard (constantly eat and train) to gain and keep any quality-muscle. An extreme Ectomorph would be Goofy! ;D

These are the three extremes. Then we have people which have some of the extremes.

The Three Extremes
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Combinations.

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The ectomorph: short upper body, long arms and legs, long narrow feet and hands, and very little fat storage. This body type has a narrow chest and narrow shoulders and long, thin muscles.

The mesomorph: large chest, long torso, solid muscle structure and very strong.

The endomorph: short musculature, round face, short neck , wide hips, and heavy fat storage.

No one is totally one type but a combination of all three types. Any body type can be developed with the correct training and nutrition however people with different body types will need to approach their training with different objectives, even though they may all have the same goals.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 2:42 am**

Willing to place bets Kyo has more then 4x the fat she says she has. Any takers?

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 2:45 am**

How do people with different bodytypes and fatburning train?

Ectomorph Training
The ectomorph's first objective is gaining weight and muscle mass.Strength and endurance will need to be developed and muscle mass develops very slowly. Stay with the basic exercises and include power moves that build maximum mass. Do an entire training workout, but take longer rest periods if you need to. Take in more calories than you are accustomed to and use weight-gaining and protein drinks to supplement your food intake. Try not to expend to many calories by keeping cardio to a minimum saving them for muscle building.

Mesomorph Training
The mesomorph will find it easy to build muscle mass but will have to include a variety of exercises in their program so that the muscles develop proportionately and shapely rather than bulky. A combination of heavy power moves and a variety of shaping exercises and a more varied for better quality, proportion and symmetry of the physique. Long workouts and short rest time. The mesomorphic type responds well to training so super-long sessions are not needed. A balanced diet with a good amount of protein and maintain an even calorie level all time.

Endomorph Training
The endomorph will not have much difficulty building muscle but will have to be concerned with losing fat weight and be careful not to gain the weight back. High-set, high-repetition training with short rest periods to burn off as much fat as possible. Additional aerobic exercise for calorie consumption. A low-calorie diet that contains the necessary nutritional balance with the minimum amount of protein, carbohydrates and fats. Make sure that you are getting the right amount of vitamins and mineral supplements the body needs.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 2:49 am**

that sounds more natural.

I think of kyou as some woman who is short, but can still whoop some ass.

5% bodyfat, she'd be lucky to hold a spoon without trouble

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 2:52 am**

Yeah, i think Kyo could do some real asswhopping if she wanted to!

This lady is 5'3" and she can whoop my ass anytime!

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 3:59 am**

5'3 but with a body fat % of at least 15%.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 4:18 am**

Yum

I usually say, Fat where it's At!

There must be fat, In the right places!

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 6:24 am**

Nilaman wrote:Willing to place bets Kyo has more then 4x the fat she says she has. Any takers?

4x the body fat percentage would put me at about average. are you trying to insult me or compliment me?

edit: who the fuck are you?

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 6:29 am**

Fallanthas wrote:I spent today evaluating upgrade paths for our citys records management software. I spent this evening excersizing horses, fixing a broken waterer for our cattle and longeing a mare that is about due for saddle-breaking.

When you can work in the sun for fourteen hours straight and grin about it afterwards, you call me. Until then you can take your unoriginal redneck jokes and shove them in your glute-o-cizer or whatever the hell this weeks fashion trend is.

You keep saying shit like this yet you are the guy with the fucking gut hanging over his phony $5 rodeo belt buckle.

Oh yeah sorry; its genetic.

tell me all about what it's like bein a workin man, billy ray.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 9:26 am**

Converseley, you could take a peek at the RL picture thread and see what a total ass you are making of yourself.

222 pounds as of this morning. That's about 17 pounds over what I consider ideal for my build. One of these days I will get around to dropping it again, but frankly until that extra 10% gets in my way, it falls somewhere between greying hair and origami on my list of priorities.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 11:17 am**

8-10 reps on the weight is alittle on the high side. 5-8 reps is prob more where you wanna be with weights. If you can consistantly do more than 10 reps of a certain weight you probably need to increase the weight.

Some people have a very hard time maintaining a six pack its just that way. Me personally I normally run between 10-25 miles a week lift weights and play sports. I would say I am probably more healthy than most people. I have been doing this for years I had a six pack once in my life and to be honest Its not worth the extream amount of effort it takes I'm happy with my 4 pack.

Something I always found funny was according to the BMI I'm borderline over weight / obese. I don't go by this and never will because it just does't work for me. It's not hard to tell if your fat or noand in shape or not. If walking up stairs gets you breathing you probably need to execise alittle more.

19.5% BMI is actually not that bad 5'8" 128 Ibs for a woman seems pretty normal to me.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 12:25 pm**

Im fully aware it would put you at average. Just pointing out that you, as always, are full of shit. Have a nice day

Edit:spelling

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 12:54 pm**

Let's not forget who's making the unfounded accusation here before accusing people of being full of shit, eh?

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 1:00 pm**

Denadeb wrote:8-10 reps on the weight is alittle on the high side. 5-8 reps is prob more where you wanna be with weights. If you can consistantly do more than 10 reps of a certain weight you probably need to increase the weight.

I disagree. The number of repetitions you should do is entirely dependent upon what you're trying to accomplish with your exercise program. 5-8 is fine if all you care about is mass. For myself, I prefer tone, and normally do around 8-12 repetitions per set, for 3 sets with 30 seconds between sets.

It depends on what you're going for.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 1:18 pm**

Almost everything she has posted here was a wild lump of shit that was her opinion and hers alone, she posts it here because no one really gives a crap.

I dont see any real reason she would come on a message board and attempt to flaunt that fact, along with making fun of people. She only does it to make herself feel better. And about what? About being fatter then she wants to be? Maybe.

Lying to impress people in a place where only personality matters is pretty fucked up.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 1:51 pm**

I'm not entirely sure what I want from my training now.

Basically I just want to be in better shape (and look like it).

I am coming to the conclussion I will still try for a 6-pack, but I won't be that disappointed if I can't obtain it....I don't want to be extra-lean, I just want to be lean, and with my genetics I don't think it will be possible to not look like a twig and have a 6-pack.

I would love to know what my fat % is, I used the BMI calculator aranuil had on his link and it's bullshit. How can they tell you if your average or better than average? They said I am better than average BUT how can they fucking tell? All they asked for was my height and weight! What if I accomplish my goal of replacing 10lbs of fat with 15 lbs of muscle or so? What then? Well I plug the numbers in and all of a sudden I am only in AVERAGE shape? WTF? My BMI gets worse as I gain muscle mass and lose fat? What the hell? That's just stupid.

I bet BMI calculators would tell that Mr. Fitness guy he really needs to start an exercise routine....lol.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 1:57 pm**

Lying to impress people in a place where only personality matters is pretty fucked up

So prove it's a lie or grow a personality for fuck's sake.

We have plenty of well-established Kyoucan stalkers (for and against

)here all ready without some nobody swelling their ranks.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 2:12 pm**

Im as much as a nobody as you, so please, next time think before opening your mouth.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 2:41 pm**

This is what I get out of BMI's makes me laugh.

Your height in inches:
68

Your weight in pounds:
190

Your BMI:
29

Comments:
A BMI over 26 may be unhealthy. See your physician about starting a healthy diet and exercise program to bring your BMI to a more healthful 19-23 range.

Your completely right Aranuil about the reps being diffrent for what your trying to accomplish. From what Pills is saying though he wants to add some mass so if thats his desire then what I posted was right on. You wanna stay tone then yea stick with some lighter weights with a few more reps. The biggiest thing though is your form as Grakk said. You can do 800 reps if your form is shit thats what your gonna get out of it shit.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 2:58 pm**

Denadeb wrote:Your completely right Aranuil about the reps being diffrent for what your trying to accomplish. From what Pills is saying though he wants to add some mass so if thats his desire then what I posted was right on. You wanna stay tone then yea stick with some lighter weights with a few more reps. The biggiest thing though is your form as Grakk said. You can do 800 reps if your form is shit thats what your gonna get out of it shit.

Absolutely. Strictest form is the most important thing. If you find yourself cheating on any exercise, you must lower your weight to the point where you can do your entire set with perfect form.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 3:18 pm**

I actually want both, tone and mass...in almost equal proportions. Right now I'd say I'm average'ish. I want to get to be a bit larger and a bit more tone. But not monster freak tone or huge.

For example:

That to me is about what I want....if you note his chest, it's not big, it's just well defined, but not that over tone look.

Oh and I assume he is flexing his abs pretty hard....I don't expect to look like that unless I am flexing them...

If I can't look like that then I will settle for a little more mass and a little less definition.

But I'm assuming to get to that point I will have to aim for my secondary goal and then trim down to my primary.

I wish I could peel the 10 lbs of fat off for 10 seconds so I could see what I have underneath...I might be close to that build already on the chest and abs...just covered with fat.

I can't see his arms but I will assume they are much better than mine.

P.S. My form is probably shitty, I'll work on that.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 3:36 pm**

vn_Tanc wrote:
Lying to impress people in a place where only personality matters is pretty fucked up
So prove it's a lie or grow a personality for fuck's sake.

We have plenty of well-established Kyoucan stalkers (for and against )here all ready without some nobody swelling their ranks.

Ahh Shove your Pom-Poms up your ass you fucking cheerleader.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 4:57 pm**

Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:
The guy on the left is 185 cm.

I have trouble believe this guy is 185 cm tall (roughly 6'1" feet tall) and only weighs 174 lbs. given that I'm 6'4" weigh 195 lbs. and am significantly less bulky. I'd guess that someone 185 cm tall with that amount of muscle mass would weigh more like 200 lbs at least, maybe as much as 215. He's probably more like 5'9" inches (175 cm).

Not that it's really relevant..numbers just seem way off.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 5:03 pm**

Oh and thanks for remindng me to workout today.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 5:23 pm**

Nilaman wrote:Almost everything she has posted here was a wild lump of shit that was her opinion and hers alone, she posts it here because no one really gives a crap.

I dont see any real reason she would come on a message board and attempt to flaunt that fact, along with making fun of people. She only does it to make herself feel better. And about what? About being fatter then she wants to be? Maybe.

Lying to impress people in a place where only personality matters is pretty fucked up.

wow chubby, who threw sand in your vagina?

yeah I am lying about being underweight. that's really clever. tomorrow I will lie about other unattractive things like having STD's and skin problems.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 5:46 pm**

kyoukan wrote:
Nilaman wrote:Almost everything she has posted here was a wild lump of shit that was her opinion and hers alone, she posts it here because no one really gives a crap.

I dont see any real reason she would come on a message board and attempt to flaunt that fact, along with making fun of people. She only does it to make herself feel better. And about what? About being fatter then she wants to be? Maybe.

Lying to impress people in a place where only personality matters is pretty fucked up.
wow chubby, who threw sand in your vagina?

yeah I am lying about being underweight. that's really clever. tomorrow I will lie about other unattractive things like having STD's and skin problems.

Dont forget about your warts!!

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 6:11 pm**

Wow, guess I hit a soft spot. Must be your fat. Need some tissues to dry your eyes or will that napkin be ok?

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 7:04 pm**

Definately 5% body fat is not a claim to fame.....think about what that implies Nilaman. That means she looks like anorexic, I mean that's way below normal body fat for women.

Do you think anorexic women are hot? I don't.

That being said, I don't think Kyoucan would lie about something like that unless she is less intelligent than I give her credit for....

I'm not taking sides, I'm just trying to clarify the situation.

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 10:41 pm**

Karae

The fellow on the left weighs 87 kg and before the diet he weighed more because of all the extra fat.

The guy on the left admits that he weighs about 15 kg less than the heaviest fitness-athletes and that he have never used AAS in his life!

The guy on the right competed in the -80 class.

Pils

PM your training program and your diet and we could do some amendments!

Posted: **July 18, 2003, 11:14 pm**

190+ seems much more plausable.

VeeshanVault

Fitness VS Bodybuilding

Hmm...