Is it necessary to degrade a woman before sex?

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Lalanae wrote:
Shaerra wrote:Lala, may I take a moment to point out that this was not about "relationships"? Pils asked what it takes to get his dick wet. :)
Your post doesn't read like you're talking about a one-night stand. Even still, I agree with Sirensa in that it is not OK in any situation to degrade, demean or abuse another person.
And you associate with VV people.

Lala, I don't wanna start a fight with you or Sirensa, but if we read your post history, are we gonna find that you never degrade, demean or abuse anyone...ever?

I'm sorry, but I'm trying to be honest here.
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Ooga[foh] wrote:The good ones don't come easy, but when one does come your way, it will be worth every second of the wait.
Well, not every second. Even the most well-intentioned woman can drive a guy fucking nuts from time to time.
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any of your friends Pils been on Jerry Springer yet? Sounds like a perfect community for casting crew to visit.

I voted no and agree that you need a new circle of friends. Losers breed losers.
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Fameen wrote:For some reason a person content being single is more attractive for a relationship. A desperate person is a major turn-off.
I've found that I've been getting hit on a whole lot more as a content married person than I ever was as a content single one.
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No. Period.

Say what you will, I'll stick to being nice.

...and being nice and confident is different from being a pussy push over.

/end random interjection
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Truant wrote:No. Period.

Say what you will, I'll stick to being nice.

...and being nice and confident is different from being a pussy push over.

/end random interjection
In my defense, hun, I did start that post saying that I know I'm a mental wreck. ;)

Just that often times, being nice makes guys look like pussy push-overs. As someone else said, I don't want someone that likes everything I like and agree's with everything I say. I want someone who has their own personality. Confidence and Nice is GREAT...It's just rare.
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Chidoro wrote: I've found that I've been getting hit on a whole lot more as a content married person than I ever was as a content single one.
I noticed that too when I was married.
These days I don't even realise when I'm being hit on.
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Shaerra wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
Shaerra wrote:Lala, may I take a moment to point out that this was not about "relationships"? Pils asked what it takes to get his dick wet. :)
Your post doesn't read like you're talking about a one-night stand. Even still, I agree with Sirensa in that it is not OK in any situation to degrade, demean or abuse another person.
And you associate with VV people.

Lala, I don't wanna start a fight with you or Sirensa, but if we read your post history, are we gonna find that you never degrade, demean or abuse anyone...ever?

I'm sorry, but I'm trying to be honest here.
Someone is getting defensive, n'est pas? There is a difference between "walking all over someone" in a relationship whether it be romantic or purely sexual and this board which is an outlet for discussion and heated argument. BIG difference. Stop grasping at straws to make yourself look better.

I have enough respect and esteem not to be attracted to a guy who is an asshole. I'm sorry you don't.
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I'm an asshole, does that mean I have to bring home boxes tonight? :(
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Lalanae wrote:
Shaerra wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
Shaerra wrote:Lala, may I take a moment to point out that this was not about "relationships"? Pils asked what it takes to get his dick wet. :)
Your post doesn't read like you're talking about a one-night stand. Even still, I agree with Sirensa in that it is not OK in any situation to degrade, demean or abuse another person.
And you associate with VV people.

Lala, I don't wanna start a fight with you or Sirensa, but if we read your post history, are we gonna find that you never degrade, demean or abuse anyone...ever?

I'm sorry, but I'm trying to be honest here.
Someone is getting defensive, n'est pas? There is a difference between "walking all over someone" in a relationship whether it be romantic or purely sexual and this board which is an outlet for discussion and heated argument. BIG difference. Stop grasping at straws to make yourself look better.

I have enough respect and esteem not to be attracted to a guy who is an asshole. I'm sorry you don't.
No, not defensive. I'm sorry, maybe I misspelled it before. What I meant to write was HONEST.

And why does it matter that there is a difference between a relationship and this message board? I believe the quote was "any situation"...wasn't it?

I have enough honesty to tell people how things really are, not be politically correct or act like a sheep and follow the crowd. I'm sorry you don't.
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Shaerra wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
Shaerra wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
Shaerra wrote:Lala, may I take a moment to point out that this was not about "relationships"? Pils asked what it takes to get his dick wet. :)
Your post doesn't read like you're talking about a one-night stand. Even still, I agree with Sirensa in that it is not OK in any situation to degrade, demean or abuse another person.
And you associate with VV people.

Lala, I don't wanna start a fight with you or Sirensa, but if we read your post history, are we gonna find that you never degrade, demean or abuse anyone...ever?

I'm sorry, but I'm trying to be honest here.
Someone is getting defensive, n'est pas? There is a difference between "walking all over someone" in a relationship whether it be romantic or purely sexual and this board which is an outlet for discussion and heated argument. BIG difference. Stop grasping at straws to make yourself look better.

I have enough respect and esteem not to be attracted to a guy who is an asshole. I'm sorry you don't.
No, not defensive. I'm sorry, maybe I misspelled it before. What I meant to write was HONEST.

And why does it matter that there is a difference between a relationship and this message board? I believe the quote was "any situation"...wasn't it?

I have enough honesty to tell people how things really are, not be politically correct or act like a sheep and follow the crowd. I'm sorry you don't.
Nice try on the ole diversion. No one here is gonna buy it.
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lol this got derailed real fast
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I have enough honesty to tell people how things really are, not be politically correct or act like a sheep and follow the crowd. I'm sorry you don't.
Where the hell did that come from?
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Why are you nitpicking?

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It's obvious to me even that you're taking the quote out of context. I have the reading comprehension of your average short haired rabbit and even I understand what the point is she's trying to make. Come on, lighten up.
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Bakara wrote:It's obvious to me even that you're taking the quote out of context. I have the reading comprehension of your average short haired rabbit and even I understand what the point is she's trying to make. Come on, lighten up.
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Lalanae wrote:
Shaerra wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
Shaerra wrote:
Lalanae wrote: Your post doesn't read like you're talking about a one-night stand. Even still, I agree with Sirensa in that it is not OK in any situation to degrade, demean or abuse another person.
And you associate with VV people.

Lala, I don't wanna start a fight with you or Sirensa, but if we read your post history, are we gonna find that you never degrade, demean or abuse anyone...ever?

I'm sorry, but I'm trying to be honest here.
Someone is getting defensive, n'est pas? There is a difference between "walking all over someone" in a relationship whether it be romantic or purely sexual and this board which is an outlet for discussion and heated argument. BIG difference. Stop grasping at straws to make yourself look better.

I have enough respect and esteem not to be attracted to a guy who is an asshole. I'm sorry you don't.
No, not defensive. I'm sorry, maybe I misspelled it before. What I meant to write was HONEST.

And why does it matter that there is a difference between a relationship and this message board? I believe the quote was "any situation"...wasn't it?

I have enough honesty to tell people how things really are, not be politically correct or act like a sheep and follow the crowd. I'm sorry you don't.
Nice try on the ole diversion. No one here is gonna buy it.
What was that? The old "I'll call her intelligent debate an attempted diversion to create my own diversion" tactic? Weak!

hehe Ok, so just answer the question. You said "it is not OK in any situation to degrade, demean or abuse another person." but you don't actually live by that statement, correct?

Hint: HONEST
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So back to the TOPIC.

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NO, it's not OKAY to degrade a woman before sex. That type of behavior sucks.
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Here's some off the wall input that you can only get on a msg board as fucked up and diverese as VV...

S&M is based on the premise that a person is either submissive or dominant. Sure, there are people that can and do enjoy both roles (those people are called "switches") but generally a person is most comfortable in a specific role. After being both exposed and involved in the scene, I cannot help but agree with the philosophy. When you go to an S&M gathering, you can easily identify the subs and doms based on what they wear. However, when I meet these same people in a normal setting, it is still easy to see who would be playing what role even without the visual clues.

Of course, I cannot help but carry this viewpoint into my everyday life. The perfect balance would be 2 switches in a relationship, but I can guarantee you that true switches are rare. Perhaps 1 out of every 100 people in the scene. The chances of that sort of balance happening is extremely rare. Occassionally you get 2 doms that are married and they have a sub they both play with (these are called Pollys), and even more rare would be 2 subs in a relationship. Anyway, like I said, almost everyone is dom/sub, just like your everyday vanilla couples.

Take a momment and think about the various relationships in your circle of friends. There will most likely be a pattern.

I worked this into my dating life and would react to a woman based on what role I precieved them to be. If she seemed submissive, I would play the dominate role a bit more (asking the questions, decinding where to eat and what movie to watch, ect). However, if she seemed rather aggressive, I would become more passive and allow her room to steer the flow of the date, since I assumed that would make her more comfortable. It works for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going into dates with a scientific formula or anything like that. These are just the details/subtlties that I think make dating more successful. You certianly cannot judge a person by first looks. However, it only takes a brief interaction before you can pretty much figure out where most would tend to fall, and work the date into your favor. Some people are tricky though. For instance, someone could have an extremely important job directing people, shouting orders, and cracking skulls in thier day to day life. But when they get home and the lights go out, they just want to take a break from all that and have someone else "take charge". Likewise, someone could seem very passive, but become the stereotypical leather clad once they are given the opportunity to cut loose! :vv_spank:

Now, I could actually discuss at length the actual degredation of an individual before sex, both the process/technique itself and the psychological implications/impact of the desire or need for an individual to have that simulated abuse. But seriously, I don't want to derail this thread too much. Besides, tomes have been written to try and explain things of this nature in far greater and better detail than I could ever hope to express on a msg board. Suffice it to say, us humans are strange, complex creatures that do some truely fucked up things!
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Ok my one and only attempt to clear this up:
"it is not OK in any situation to degrade, demean or abuse another person." but you don't actually live by that statement, correct?
"in any situation" should have been extended in the first instance to "in any situation alluded or relevant to the discussion at hand in this here thread i.e. intimate interpersonal relationships". Of course that would be going a little overboard in terms of clarity but it would stop people jumping to the wrong conclusions.

Perhaps I should add a disclaimer that dedicated masochists may be degraded demeaned and abused but only if they ask nicely and persistantly.

In summary: hurling abuse at faceless goobs on a messageboard is not the kind of abuse under discussion here.

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Shaerra wrote:
Truant wrote:No. Period.

Say what you will, I'll stick to being nice.

...and being nice and confident is different from being a pussy push over.

/end random interjection
In my defense, hun, I did start that post saying that I know I'm a mental wreck. ;)

Just that often times, being nice makes guys look like pussy push-overs. As someone else said, I don't want someone that likes everything I like and agree's with everything I say. I want someone who has their own personality. Confidence and Nice is GREAT...It's just rare.
No, I agree...most 'nice guys' out there are pussy push overs...whether it's because they have desperation to be in a relationship, or just never having developed testicular fortitude, i dunno...anyways, yes that is bad...relationships (even brief ones) involve two people...and those people both have to be independant thinking and functioning people that coexist together...if not, then one is essentially a parasite...whether it's emotionally, or whatever

I'm rambling like a motherfucker cause none of this is really important...but was just going to say, you didn't have to defend, I was more or less agreeing with you, (which proves my point I can't explain anything in under 300 words without properly getting my point across)

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vn_Tanc wrote:Ok my one and only attempt to clear this up:
"it is not OK in any situation to degrade, demean or abuse another person." but you don't actually live by that statement, correct?
"in any situation" should have been extended in the first instance to "in any situation alluded or relevant to the discussion at hand in this here thread i.e. intimate interpersonal relationships". Of course that would be going a little overboard in terms of clarity but it would stop people jumping to the wrong conclusions.

Perhaps I should add a disclaimer that dedicated masochists may be degraded demeaned and abused but only if they ask nicely and persistantly.

In summary: hurling abuse at faceless goobs on a messageboard is not the kind of abuse under discussion here.

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My bad. I thought that when someone made a statement like "any situation" and then underlined it, it meant that they were really talking about any situation. I didn't realize how many different "any situation"'s there were.

Thanks for clearing it up. :)
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Shaerra wrote:I don't wanna start a fight with you or Sirensa, but if we read your post history, are we gonna find that you never degrade, demean or abuse anyone...ever?
Quit mincing words, Shaerra. My original quote was a direct response to the topic at hand. Should I change it to be "Degrading someone intentionally is never ok except on VV"? (and the vast majority of my posts on these boards aren't demeaning - despite wonderful flames a la the ones I received yesterday)

Despite all that, if you insist upon taking the quote out of context to mean anywhere and always, then it would still be accurate. Just because people on these boards sometimes say demeaning, degrading and abusive things to others does not mean it is ok. However most of us here are able to take things in the context in which they were intended.
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Shaerra - you are a perfect example of why nice guys turn into assholes.

When men speak of girls who treated them like shit and they were nothing but nice, it makes girls who arent heartless wenches look bad since 9 out of 10 men (when blasting on women) refer to women as "ALL women' instead of saying 'some women'.. or whatever.

You weren't speaking of a one nighter or letting a guy get his dick wet. You said it, if they let you keep walking all over them you will.
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Shaerra wrote:I didn't realize how many different "any situation"'s there were.
Follow the contextual path of our posts dear. You tried to slap my hand for assuming you were talking about "relationships" when you were only talking about "getting [one's] dick wet." I retorted that I don't care what situation it is, its still fucked up, agreeing with Sirensa who obviously was on topic.
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In some respects nice guys do finish last. I would qualify that by saying nice shy guys finish last. You've got to be aggressive in the sense that no one is going to walk up to you and say, "take me home and fuck me". Being aggressive has nothing to do with being an asshole. All it means is that you need the confidence to socialize with women and see what develops.

There is nothing wrong with being a nice/kind person. As Ooga mentioned, being confident and secure with yourself is key. There is absolutely no reason to demean a woman. Keep in mind that the bedroom is totally different. If both people are comfortable with themselves and have respect for one another, you can go nuts in the bedroom and roleplay anything you want. Even big bad kyoukan mentioned she dressed up in a schoolgirl outfit for her fiance and probably acted totally differently that way than how she normally is here or in public. While kyoukan isn't my cup of tea, she's intelligent and self confident which ranks very high up there on my list of desirable traits.

You will probably never understand women but through experience you can be much more aware of how they operate : ) Women aren't all clones. Some will stick with losers who demean them but that's usually a self confidence/esteem issue with the women herself.

It bothers me when I see women that can't seem to leave an asshole but I've also learned that there's only so much you can do. Time is the only cure for this.

Some women want what they can't have. How many can relate to this scenario...A particular women shows no interest in you but the moment you get a girlfriend she's all over you. My friend in college would always go to bars with female friends that he called "legitimizers" with the thinking that if other women saw him with a woman that they'd wonder what they were missing. hehe. I suppose this is the equivilant of women sending themselves flowers.

To sum it up, I'd say that women like to be treated with respect. Shaerra actually does have a point in that if a guy is a puppy dog and follows her around doing whatever she says then it can be a turn off. Making decisions and taking charge sometimes doesn't mean you're being disrespectful, only that you're not wishy washy.

I am personally attracted to intelligent, confident women that share several of the same interests that I do. I don't want a clone of myself though and like new things. I suppose you could troll around the bars for women that have low self esteem for a one night stand but I never felt the need to rush into anything for the sake of getting laid for one night unless I liked the person.

There is no secret formula for getting laid.
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Should I be worried now? I mean, I've been pretty demeaning of Shaerra on the boards, does this mean she digs me? Please... no... I'm a nice guy in person, honest!

Anyways, back to the original topic. I know your plight all too well Pils, even if I ONCE AGAIN couldn't bring myself to read your whole essay ;) What I've decided is there's degrees of nice. You're in the "friendly nice" area it sounds like, which is a relationship quagmire. I get so sick of being in that area myself. Logically, it makes sense that a woman would be attracted to the nice guy (barring serious birth defects, mutliations, etc etc!), but I think it usually puts them into an at ease frame of mind... you're safe, they don't have to worry about you being like those "other" guys. AKA exactly where you don't want to be.

So, you've got to try and become another kind of nice. I refuse to believe that it's either friend nice or being a player asshole. Have some confidence in yourself, yes, but more importantly, show that you're interested in more than a friendship early on. Don't be too obvious with it, definitely not desperate... just holding eye contact now and then, not with the creepy "hungry look" in your eyes tho... eyes can make or break the start of a relationship.

Of course, my track record STINKS, but I think it's all pretty logical things I've said.
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One should be careful with blanket statements. If one doesn't mean any, one should not say any. :)

If you're only referring to the topic at hand, there is absolutely no need to say "any situation". To say "any situation" is EXACTLY like saying "Aside from this situation, it ALWAYS applies". How this escapes some people is fucking beyond me.

I guess what I'm saying is that I cannot comprehend your lack of comprehension.[/quote]
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Shaerra wrote:One should be careful with blanket statements. If one doesn't mean any, one should not say any. :)

If you're only referring to the topic at hand, there is absolutely no need to say "any situation". To say "any situation" is EXACTLY like saying "Aside from this situation, it ALWAYS applies". How this escapes some people is fucking beyond me.

I guess what I'm saying is that I cannot comprehend your lack of comprehension.
Nice try. You seem to be the only one with the problem understanding.
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No. I don't think it's ok to demean a woman. And those women who think it's ok to be treated like shit have some problems.
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Lalanae wrote:
Shaerra wrote:One should be careful with blanket statements. If one doesn't mean any, one should not say any. :)

If you're only referring to the topic at hand, there is absolutely no need to say "any situation". To say "any situation" is EXACTLY like saying "Aside from this situation, it ALWAYS applies". How this escapes some people is fucking beyond me.

I guess what I'm saying is that I cannot comprehend your lack of comprehension.
Nice try. You seem to be the only one with the problem understanding.
Lame tactic #2 noted. K, my turn...

Everyone seems to agree that you're wrong.
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Shaerra wrote:
Lalanae wrote:
Shaerra wrote:One should be careful with blanket statements. If one doesn't mean any, one should not say any. :)

If you're only referring to the topic at hand, there is absolutely no need to say "any situation". To say "any situation" is EXACTLY like saying "Aside from this situation, it ALWAYS applies". How this escapes some people is fucking beyond me.

I guess what I'm saying is that I cannot comprehend your lack of comprehension.
Nice try. You seem to be the only one with the problem understanding.

Lame tactic #2 noted. K, my turn...

Everyone seems to agree that you're wrong.
Oh? We do? When did you become the spokesperson for the entire VV?
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I'm sure I'll get a lot of shit in PMs about this. But if you want a quick score, or find someone to sleep with more often than not. Find yourself a Married woman, or someone with a boyfriend.

You will be suprised at how welcome they need someone to treat them right, even if its just a short time. Either a) They are attached to a asshole boyfriend, and a nice sweet guy can slip right in.... or b) they bore of their relationship and wish to do something to end it, and end it fast.

A few good friends of mine, and I also, have this bad way of going after women who were already in a relationship or married. The few times Ive done this, only 1 was really worth it and something ended up out of it. The other times you just get burned cause you fall for them, yet how can you trust a woman who cheats?:P

So bottom line, go after women who have asshole boyfriends. You will get some if you know how to intice them.


As I've seen personally in eq, a lot of women there like to be degraded.Even some that posted in this thread saying you shouldnt. So don't listen too much of the shit posted here.Listen to the guys.
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Maybe this will help:
context

n discourse that surrounds a language unit and helps to determine its interpretation
Then again, knowing what it means and being intelligent enough to follow a simple contextual path is another.
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Lalanae wrote:Maybe this will help:
context

n discourse that surrounds a language unit and helps to determine its interpretation
Then again, knowing what it means and being intelligent enought o follow a simple contextual path is another.
Whatever. We all know that everything you've ever posted was wrong.

(And before you preach to me about blanket statements, read the context. It's like, SO obvious that I'm only talking about this thread! What are you, stupid?)

Lala, you got caught talking out of your ass, just to say something that you think people wanna hear. Go ahead, try to bulldoze your way through it. OR you could just accept that you was wrong, and go on to the next thread. :)

Edit: And Legenae, you just made yourself look dumb. In trying to flame ME, you made my point about HER post.
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Shaerra wrote:
Lalanae wrote:Maybe this will help:
context

n discourse that surrounds a language unit and helps to determine its interpretation
Then again, knowing what it means and being intelligent enought o follow a simple contextual path is another.
Whatever. We all know that everything you've ever posted was wrong.

(And before you preach to me about blanket statements, read the context. It's like, SO obvious that I'm only talking about this thread! What are you, stupid?)

Lala, you got caught talking out of your ass, just to say something that you think people wanna hear. Go ahead, try to bulldoze your way through it. OR you could just accept that you was wrong, and go on to the next thread. :)
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Can you two shut the fuck up? Take it to PMs to find out who has the bigger cock for fuck sakes.
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Raistin wrote:Can you two shut the fuck up? Take it to PMs to find out who has the bigger cock for fuck sakes.
You've been on this board long enough to know how things work, so I don't need to reiterate your options.
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How exactly did she get caught talking out her ass? Are you still hanging on the idea that she meant can't be mean or degrading to anyone EVER IN YOUR LIFE? It was obvious she just meant in the terms of a relationship, and trying to start one. Or is it something else? Do you even know?
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Dregor Thule wrote:How exactly did she get caught talking out her ass? Are you still hanging on the idea that she meant can't be mean or degrading to anyone EVER IN YOUR LIFE? It was obvious she just meant in the terms of a relationship, and trying to start one. Or is it something else? Do you even know?
Dregor, lemme help you out...

Step 1: Read thread.
Step 2. Post opinion.

Looks like you missed a step. My point is pretty fucking clear.
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Shaerra wrote:
Edit: And Legenae, you just made yourself look dumb. In trying to flame ME, you made my point about HER post.
I make myself look dumb? LOL That's rich coming from you!
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Shaerra wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:How exactly did she get caught talking out her ass? Are you still hanging on the idea that she meant can't be mean or degrading to anyone EVER IN YOUR LIFE? It was obvious she just meant in the terms of a relationship, and trying to start one. Or is it something else? Do you even know?
Dregor, lemme help you out...

Step 1: Read thread.
Step 2. Post opinion.

Looks like you missed a step. My point is pretty fucking clear.
You're right, I did miss a step.

Step 1.5: Keep in mind that you're trying to talk to Shaerra, and use the words "stupid whore" more often.

Of course, that might turn you on, and I REALLY don't want that.

I re-read your posts, a chore in itself, and I still fail to see some rational point. So once again, I ask, tell me what it was, or shut the hell up.
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Girls do go for the 'nice guy'. But not nice in the 'my little cousin could beat you up' kinda way. Caring without being a pussy. Strong (emotionally) without being an asshole. The females that know what they want look for this (this of course depends on what they are looking for, security, fun, one night stand, etc).

The problem is OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS of girls fall for guys with strong personalities, but what if they are a strong asshole. Also, there are OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS more assholes than there are 'nice' guys. Some females are just 'needy' so they take whats there in front of them. With more assholes than nice guys, well, you figure the odds.

And, if a female feels safe and secure with you, you can talk about her breasts (or whatever) and not be seen as an 'evil male'. I love breasts, and I talk about them. If I'm talking to a girl, I talk to her about hers. Its about approach and style.

Some girls like to be dominated. Some because of low self-esteem just expect it, some are turned on by it. Some of it goes back to looking for strong personality.

Treat a female with respect, and she'll always remember you. Raise her self esteem and her heart and soul will.

Sure, some people will tell me I'm wrong, you live in your world while I live in mine, mines not so bad.
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Lalanae wrote:it is not OK in any situation to degrade, demean or abuse another person
Shaerra wrote:Are we gonna find that you never degrade, demean or abuse anyone...ever?

I'm sorry, but I'm trying to be honest here.
I don't think you are just trying to be honest here. What you are doing is trying to justify bad behavior. "If other people do it then it must be ok." Very similar to what Pils was saying - summarized "my friends treat girls like shit and get laid and the girls go for it so it must be ok!"

I'm sure most of us remember the lesson learned in Kindergarten - two wrongs do not make a right.

Whether or not the individual avatars on these message boards adhere to what Lalanae stated is not what is in question. What is being questioned is whether or not her statement is true. In the context of our discussion, I believe it is.
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Dregor Thule wrote:
Shaerra wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:How exactly did she get caught talking out her ass? Are you still hanging on the idea that she meant can't be mean or degrading to anyone EVER IN YOUR LIFE? It was obvious she just meant in the terms of a relationship, and trying to start one. Or is it something else? Do you even know?
Dregor, lemme help you out...

Step 1: Read thread.
Step 2. Post opinion.

Looks like you missed a step. My point is pretty fucking clear.
You're right, I did miss a step.

Step 1.5: Keep in mind that you're trying to talk to Shaerra, and use the words "stupid whore" more often.

Of course, that might turn you on, and I REALLY don't want that.

I re-read your posts, a chore in itself, and I still fail to see some rational point. So once again, I ask, tell me what it was, or shut the hell up.
You have absolutely 0 to worry about, when it comes to turning me on. I can guarantee that you can breath easy about that. I am prepared to put money on this one. You turning me on is about as likely as you winning 5 different state lotteries at the same time without playing any of them. The day you turn me on is the day I cut my own head off with a lemon-juice and salt covered rusty butter knife, drive my headless corpse downtown, and throw myself into the Trinity River. If I ever found myself attracted to you and armless, I would hope that my friends and family would have enough compassion to kill me quickly, rather than leave me to suffer a fate far worse than death: your companionship.

Now that THAT's settled, let's move on.

As I've stated a few times now, using a statement like "any situation" infers that you are not just talking about the situation at hand. If you can't understand that, you need to stop considering yourself God's gift to intellectual thought.
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Have to agree with Raistin. Women that have been married for 3 years or more are the easiest women on the planet to nail. You really don't even have to work at it.


edit: I think Fairweather should write a book. "Fucking Ass for Dummies"
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edit: I think Fairweather should write a book. "Fucking Ass for Dummies"
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