Girl raped after accepting ride from stranger

Bagar- · Post by **Bagar-** » March 12, 2009, 5:22 am

I hope you get AIDS from an infected blood transfusion. You should have known you might get AIDS from blood transfusions, you dumb bitch. All your fault.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » March 12, 2009, 10:53 am

I think Sueven is from Philly....so unless there are 10 or more shootings a night then it would be considered a safe place by his standards.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » March 12, 2009, 11:50 am

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I think Sueven is from Philly....so unless there are 10 or more shootings a night then it would be considered a safe place by his standards.

Oh don't get me started about Philly! Benjamin Franklin's grave lies desecrated in that horrid city while they pump money into renovating the stairs Rocky ran up in a fake movie? Shame!

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 12, 2009, 12:38 pm

lol yea .. college park would be considered safe if compared to philly .. and fine i'll drop it

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 12, 2009, 12:59 pm

The greatest threat to University of Maryland students is other University of Maryland students. A freshman girl is FAR more likely to be raped by a fellow student than by some interloper from Langley Park. This goes for probably every college campus in the country.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 12, 2009, 1:00 pm

Drop the fucking analogies already. They don't fit. And I think we can all understand the situation without them.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » March 12, 2009, 1:03 pm

rape is a lot like an orange

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » March 12, 2009, 1:10 pm

Drasta wrote:hahaha, we all have our own opinions =-P and i totally understand where you all are coming from. i just have a strong personal belief of people needing to take responsibility for their own actions. yes, i know my view is dehumanizing, crude and unsympathetic, bla bla bla i just have a very bizarre view on life. And was just expressing my view which you all seem to violently be opposed to because i have a crazy and radical view a very touchy subject and i go against the norm of society of people that have tragic events happen to them are never at fault no matter what .

Your "belief" is completely fucking irrational. There is a difference between believing something that is not provable but possibly rational (God) and believing something that is fucking absurd (rape victim is at fault). Your view is identical to Bill O'Reilly saying that a girl who was raped and murdered was at fault because of the way she dressed. In his view, dressing risque is a legitimate reason for rape, in your view, accepting a ride is a legitimate reason for rape. THERE IS NO FUCKING LEGITIMATE REASON FOR RAPE. You are legitimizing the criminal who committed the crime, which makes you a piece of shit person. If you admit that your view is dehumanizing, crude, and unsympathetic, (I'd add absurd and fucking moronic) what does that say about you as a human being?

Fash · Post by **Fash** » March 12, 2009, 1:25 pm

I'm not going to say she's at fault... but if she didn't get in a car with a total stranger, she wouldn't have been raped, right?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 12, 2009, 1:31 pm

Fash wrote:I'm not going to say she's at fault... but if she didn't get in a car with a total stranger, she wouldn't have been raped, right?

Close. If the man didn't rape her, she would not have been raped.

Spang · Post by **Spang** » March 12, 2009, 1:55 pm

Fash wrote:I'm not going to say she's at fault... but if she didn't get in a car with a total stranger, she wouldn't have been raped, right?

By even asking that question you're putting blame on the rape victim and bordering on becoming a piece of shit.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » March 12, 2009, 2:04 pm

The victim is lucky that she was only assaulted and it was not a terminal case of stupidity. I am sure that everyone on this board hopes that the rapist's rehabilitation goes well and that he comes back out soon to be a productive member of society.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » March 12, 2009, 2:07 pm

Fash wrote:I'm not going to say she's at fault... but if she didn't get in a car with a total stranger, she wouldn't have been raped, right?

You're not going to say she's at fault right before you say she's at fault? Keep spraying air freshener on your feces bro, it'll make a difference!

Spang · Post by **Spang** » March 12, 2009, 2:27 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:The victim is lucky that she was only assaulted and it was not a terminal case of stupidity. I am sure that everyone on this board hopes that the rapist's rehabilitation goes well and that he comes back out soon to be a productive member of society.

Actually, his testicles should be violently removed from his body and shoved down his fucking throat.

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » March 12, 2009, 2:43 pm

I'm sure she's learned her lesson, silly girl.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » March 12, 2009, 2:53 pm

Spang wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:The victim is lucky that she was only assaulted and it was not a terminal case of stupidity. I am sure that everyone on this board hopes that the rapist's rehabilitation goes well and that he comes back out soon to be a productive member of society.
Actually, his testicles should be violently removed from his body and shoved down his fucking throat.

So we should rehabilitate murderers and torture rapists?

Spang · Post by **Spang** » March 12, 2009, 3:02 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:So we should rehabilitate murderers and torture rapists?

I've never mentioned anything about rehabilitating murderers before. I support the death penalty, but I wish it was used more swiftly if there's undeniable proof. I support the killing of babies and murderers.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » March 12, 2009, 4:55 pm

Spang wrote:
Fash wrote:I'm not going to say she's at fault... but if she didn't get in a car with a total stranger, she wouldn't have been raped, right?
By even asking that question you're putting blame on the rape victim and bordering on becoming a piece of shit.

I disagree, it's really just a question, just following the process backwards to the first act.

Isn't this kind of thing exactly why we tell children not to talk to or accept rides from strangers?

Spang · Post by **Spang** » March 12, 2009, 4:57 pm

Fash wrote:I disagree, it's really just a question, just following the process backwards to the first act.

Isn't this kind of thing exactly why we tell children not to talk to or accept rides from strangers?

It's not illegal to accept rides from Hispanics.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 12, 2009, 6:09 pm

There are literally thousands of acts that, had they not been taken, would have prevented this rape.

If she hadn't gotten into his car, she wouldn't have been raped.
If he hadn't driven her to some abandoned place and shoved his dick inside her without consent, she wouldn't have been raped.
If his parents had used condoms, she wouldn't have been raped.
If she had gone to the University of Delaware instead of the University of Maryland, she wouldn't have been raped.
If his friends had asked him to come by for a late-night game of cards, she wouldn't have been raped.
If she decided to go home with a random guy from the bar, she wouldn't have been raped.
If I still lived on her street at the time, had been walking by, and scared off the assailant by my presence, she wouldn't have been raped.
If Drasta had joined an anti-sex assault group on campus and provided education about the risks of accepting rides with strangers, maybe she wouldn't have been raped.
If the police had been patrolling one of the busiest and drunkest areas of College Park right at bar closing time, she wouldn't have been raped.
If she had decided to study instead of go out that night, she wouldn't have been raped.
If her friends had noticed that she was wasted and decided to walk her home, she wouldn't have been raped.

ALL of these acts are but-for causes of her rape. But for any of these, she wouldn't have been raped. So evidently the rape is the fault of the victim, the rapist, the rapist's parents, the rapist's friends, the victim's friends, the random guy at the bar who failed to impress the victim, myself, Drasta and the police, among others.

But that evades the point. The real reason she was raped is because a rapist made a conscious decision to rape her and then he followed through. THAT is why. THAT is where the fault lies.

It is (largely) men who rape. It is these men (and select women) who bear the responsibility for ending rape.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » March 12, 2009, 6:43 pm

Its funny how even daring to state that the girl should have taken more responsibility for her own safety is jumped on by the hounds here.

It's clearly fucking obvious that its the rapist at fault, he did the raping, it goes without saying. It was still pretty fucking retarded of her to get into a strangers car. Given that the world has rapists in it, and this is an obvious way for them to attack you. It's not her "fault" for being raped, but it's wholly legitimate to question why someone shouldn't be taking more obvious steps to protect themselves from such assholes. Guess what, getting into their car is right up at the top of that list.

This is nothing to do mysogeny, or fucked up morals, it's basic common sense. Obviously she wouldnt have gotten raped if not for the rapists action, but calling out someone's idiotic or naive actions as that do not necessarily limit or negate the legitimate guilt of the rapist, since that's a seperate issue.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 12, 2009, 6:57 pm

Nick wrote:Its funny how even daring to state that the girl should have taken more responsibility for her own safety is jumped on by the hounds here.

It's clearly fucking obvious that its the rapist at fault, he did the raping, it goes without saying. It was still pretty fucking retarded of her to get into a strangers car. Given that the world has rapists in it, and this is an obvious way for them to attack you. It's not her "fault" for being raped, but it's wholly legitimate to question why someone shouldn't be taking more obvious steps to protect themselves from such assholes. Guess what, getting into their car is right up at the top of that list.

This is nothing to do mysogeny, or fucked up morals, it's basic common sense. Obviously she wouldnt have gotten raped if not for the rapists action, but calling out someone's idiotic or naive actions as that do not necessarily limit or negate the legitimate guilt of the rapist, since that's a seperate issue.

Blah blah blah.. Read the first fucking post. It states nothing about taking more personal responsibility which I don't think people disagree with. He flat out says "I think its the girls fault..." and that it just retarded.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 12, 2009, 7:01 pm

Nick wrote:It's clearly fucking obvious that its the rapist at fault, he did the raping, it goes without saying.

Drasta wrote:I think its the girls fault

Given this rather stark disagreement, you can appreciate why the thread evolved as it did, no? Drasta made a post arguing that the rape was her fault due to her lack of decision-making skills. Nobody has denied that the girl acted stupidly in getting in the car; rather, everyone has denied that this fact makes the rape "her fault," as Drasta argued. You seem to agree one hundred percent with this: it was "pretty fucking retarded" for her to get in the car, but the fact that the rapist is at fault "goes without saying."

Of course it's not misogyny to say that it's not smart to get in cars with strangers at 2:30 AM. Who has disputed that? In contrast, it is misogyny to claim that women who get in cars with strangers are at fault for their own rapes.

I guess I think you're attacking a straw man and I don't see the point to your contrarianism in this thread.

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » March 12, 2009, 9:49 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Nick wrote:Its funny how even daring to state that the girl should have taken more responsibility for her own safety is jumped on by the hounds here.

It's clearly fucking obvious that its the rapist at fault, he did the raping, it goes without saying. It was still pretty fucking retarded of her to get into a strangers car. Given that the world has rapists in it, and this is an obvious way for them to attack you. It's not her "fault" for being raped, but it's wholly legitimate to question why someone shouldn't be taking more obvious steps to protect themselves from such assholes. Guess what, getting into their car is right up at the top of that list.

This is nothing to do mysogeny, or fucked up morals, it's basic common sense. Obviously she wouldnt have gotten raped if not for the rapists action, but calling out someone's idiotic or naive actions as that do not necessarily limit or negate the legitimate guilt of the rapist, since that's a seperate issue.
Blah blah blah.. Read the first fucking post. It states nothing about taking more personal responsibility which I don't think people disagree with. He flat out says "I think its the girls fault..." and that it just retarded.

aslanna .. what exactly is ur definition of personal responsibility? i'm curious

Bagar- · Post by **Bagar-** » March 13, 2009, 4:05 pm

No one is arguing that getting into the car was stupid. What people are saying is that saying that it was HER FAULT THAT SHE WAS RAPED is ridiculous in any context.

While getting into the car was dumb, and indirectly lead to her getting raped, there are a few other things that also had a factor in the rape, such as:

If she hadn't gotten into his car, she wouldn't have been raped.
If he hadn't driven her to some abandoned place and shoved his dick inside her without consent, she wouldn't have been raped.
If his parents had used condoms, she wouldn't have been raped.
If she had gone to the University of Delaware instead of the University of Maryland, she wouldn't have been raped.
If his friends had asked him to come by for a late-night game of cards, she wouldn't have been raped.
If she decided to go home with a random guy from the bar, she wouldn't have been raped.
If I still lived on her street at the time, had been walking by, and scared off the assailant by my presence, she wouldn't have been raped.
If Drasta had joined an anti-sex assault group on campus and provided education about the risks of accepting rides with strangers, maybe she wouldn't have been raped.
If the police had been patrolling one of the busiest and drunkest areas of College Park right at bar closing time, she wouldn't have been raped.
If she had decided to study instead of go out that night, she wouldn't have been raped.
If her friends had noticed that she was wasted and decided to walk her home, she wouldn't have been raped.

So why is she not stupid for doing all of those things as well?

Hell, you should probably get a deadbolt and stay locked up inside your home, because by merely going outside you have a chance of being raped, and it would be all your fault. This is, of course, using your fucking retarded logic.

Oh, and a pet peeve of mine: Ur is an ancient city, not a lazy way of saying "your" or "you're" you stupid bitch. It's two more letters. This isn't a text message on your phone.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » March 13, 2009, 8:49 pm

cadalano wrote:rape is a lot like an orange

you have it backwards

Trek · Post by **Trek** » March 16, 2009, 2:46 pm

So if she didnt get in the car there is 100% guarantee she would not have been raped?

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » March 16, 2009, 4:41 pm

yes- the rapist would have realized that all women are too savvy for his plan to ever work. then, defeated, he would drive his rapemobile home and begin a new life as an upright citizen

Siji · Post by **Siji** » March 16, 2009, 5:31 pm

I'm not going to read this whole thread, so with that disclaimer.. are you guys of the same opinion that the girl that was raped and beaten so severely that she's now a cripple at a library at night while returning books was also at fault for what happened to her?

If you die while driving to work tomorrow, are you at fault for getting on the road where it's a fact bad/dangerous drivers drive?

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » March 16, 2009, 5:51 pm

I'm not going to read this whole thread, so with that disclaimer.

If you die while driving to work tomorrow, are you at fault for getting on the road where it's a fact bad/dangerous drivers drive?

since you didn't read it, just giving you a friendly heads up. the thread is already filled with irrelevant, unnecessary, and distracting analogies

Spang · Post by **Spang** » March 16, 2009, 6:04 pm

The best place to rape a woman is in a car. That way you can't be at fault.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 16, 2009, 6:28 pm

Trek wrote:So if she didnt get in the car there is 100% guarantee she would not have been raped?

Actually, if she hadn't have gotten in the car, he would've just raped someone else. So, it would be her fault that the other woman got raped instead of her!

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » March 16, 2009, 9:48 pm

I actually blame you liberals for the rape. If we did it my way, the rapist would have his penis chopped off and fed to him as his first meal on death row.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » March 16, 2009, 10:02 pm

Uhm.. He still would have had to commit the rape in the first place.

Gonzoie - Luclin · Post by **Gonzoie - Luclin** » March 17, 2009, 3:29 am

Aslanna wrote:Uhm.. He still would have had to commit the rape in the first place.

Minority Report is also in affect if we did everything Kilmoll's way

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » March 17, 2009, 5:15 am

What a cyclic thread.

Xyun wrote:
Fash wrote:I'm not going to say she's at fault... but if she didn't get in a car with a total stranger, she wouldn't have been raped, right?
You're not going to say she's at fault right before you say she's at fault? Keep spraying air freshener on your feces bro, it'll make a difference!

Fash was speaking as a matter of truth, not a matter of fault. You were looking for a fight to pick, and so is everybody else that makes this is an issue of where fault lies.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 17, 2009, 10:08 am

Leonaerd wrote:Fash was speaking as a matter of truth, not a matter of fault. You were looking for a fight to pick, and so is everybody else that makes this is an issue of where fault lies.

Let us know how that defense holds up in court.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » March 17, 2009, 10:55 am

"if she didn't get in a car with a total stranger, she wouldn't have been raped"

does not imply fault of anybody...... that's the only point i'm making - that it is a true statement, regardless of who's at fault

notice? i'm not talking about defending a rapist. that's ridiculous.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » March 17, 2009, 10:59 am

You're just being obtuse and I have no idea why.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » March 17, 2009, 11:02 am

Just trying to reveal why this is causing such a heated debate even though everybody supports the sentencing in the end.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 17, 2009, 11:57 am

Leo, you read the first post in this thread, right? This is more of a pile-on-Drasta thread than a debate.

Truant · Post by **Truant** » March 17, 2009, 7:58 pm

I have a penis. Am I a rapist?

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 17, 2009, 8:08 pm

You could be a rapist. And that makes you a rapist.
It's your mother's fault anyway, Truant.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » March 17, 2009, 8:40 pm

Truant wrote:I have a penis. Am I a rapist?

There's a 50/50 chance:

''When men are asked if there is any likelihood they would force a woman to have sex against her will if they could get away with it, about half say they would,'' said Dr. Neil Malamuth, a psychologist at the University of California at Los Angeles. ''But if you ask them if they would rape a woman if they knew they could get away with it, only about 15 percent say they would.''

Which just goes to show, 70% of rapists are stupid and don't understand the definition of rape.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » March 18, 2009, 12:47 am

Leonaerd wrote: You were looking for a fight to pick

Duh! That's why I come here.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » March 18, 2009, 12:45 pm

Zaelath wrote:
Truant wrote:I have a penis. Am I a rapist?
There's a 50/50 chance:

''When men are asked if there is any likelihood they would force a woman to have sex against her will if they could get away with it, about half say they would,'' said Dr. Neil Malamuth, a psychologist at the University of California at Los Angeles. ''But if you ask them if they would rape a woman if they knew they could get away with it, only about 15 percent say they would.''
Which just goes to show, 70% of rapists are stupid and don't understand the definition of rape.

you could force a woman to have sex with you in a non-violent way ... say in a sexual harassment way at the workplace. A fuck-me-or-your-fired scenario. would that be rape? hmmmmm

I raped my cat this morning. cat could've stayed outside last night, so its the cats fault. mrowr!

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 18, 2009, 1:23 pm

"forcing a woman to have sex against her will" is rape, regardless of whether physical force is used or not. period.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » March 18, 2009, 5:15 pm

No one here is saying the girl did not put herself in a bad situation, that is far different from rape. You said she is at fault, if that was the case I could just see the defense attorney,

"Your Honor we plead not guilty, the girl obviously put herself in the position to be raped so my client had no other recourse then to provide said service."

I know that sounds stupid, but read your first post. First you implied she was at fault for the rape. She got into a car in a bad part of town, with someone she did not know. Well for the record, rape can and does occur in the nicest areas of the city or the worst. It is done by men and even a few women from every class, race and demonination and usually has nothing to do with sex. So where she got into the car is pretty mute.

As for getting into a car with someone you don't know, women and men do this every day. Most first dates know little to nothing about each other, you feel safer because you have talked with them a couple times, but do you truly know them? The only thing I knew about my wife our first date was that she was blonde, hot and had a nice body, seemed smart and made my nervous huge. Obviously the chances of rape in this situation are less then jumping in a random car, but if you are stating this is her fault, then by implication any situation like that would be open to that interpretation. Many, many women have been raped from guys met in bars or just on dates. How do you determine when the proper time to know someone overrides the self-inflicted guilt of putting yourself in a position to be raped?

I'm not going to pile on Drasta, I think he means she put herself in a position to be raped, she did, but no one forced the dude to do it.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » March 18, 2009, 6:30 pm

Again, it's really not a bad neighborhood.

Do this. Go to maps.google.com. Go to "College Avenue and Yale Avenue, College Park MD." Click on "Street View." Look at it. Does that look bad to you?

For context, when you're looking at it: The building on the southwest corner is a sorority house. The building on the northwest corner is one of the two primary University Bookstores. The building on the northeast corner is a church. The building on the southeast corner is a sorority house that's being remodeled.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » March 19, 2009, 9:09 am

Sueven wrote:"forcing a woman to have sex against her will" is rape, regardless of whether physical force is used or not. period.

So getting a woman drunk or high to have sex with you should be considered rape.