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Gamespot got a different version. They didn't get the buyable retail version which had shorter load times and better frame rate, they are planning on changing the review.
That might explain the low scores. The other "gripe" is that it played too much like a classic RPG...huh? What's wrong with that? The game should get bonus points for that.

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The disc swap from 1 to 2 went smoothly. There's some overlap in areas so it's not bad at all. I'm all over learning new skills with the immortals. I've got 8 seed slots per immortal at the beginning of disk 2. For awhile, I was filling slots with all levels of a particular magic until I figured out that you only need the highest magic level filling a slot for the immortals.

Mack's got some nice skills for Seth and Kaim
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Winnow wrote:
Gamespot got a different version. They didn't get the buyable retail version which had shorter load times and better frame rate, they are planning on changing the review.
That might explain the low scores. The other "gripe" is that it played too much like a classic RPG...huh? What's wrong with that? The game should get bonus points for that.

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That last post looks like something I would write funk. You're scaring me.

The disc swap from 1 to 2 went smoothly. There's some overlap in areas so it's not bad at all. I'm all over learning new skills with the immortals. I've got 8 seed slots per immortal at the beginning of disk 2. For awhile, I was filling slots with all levels of a particular magic until I figured out that you only need the highest magic level filling a slot for the immortals.

Mack's got some nice skills for Seth and Kaim
Haha, yeah. For once I think I learned something from you, I didn't know what the hell the slot seeds were for this whole time, lol :)

I just started on the third disk a few minutes ago, still having fun :)
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Still on Disk 1 myself, but so far I'm loving it. Very good classic RPG. There are soooo many components of the Final Fantasy series in this game its almost disturbing...but they work, so why not use them again!

I can't say it enough how happy I am to have a true RPG for the 360, please god let this thing sell well so that MS will see the value in titles other than FPSers...please god! On that note, I bought it yesterday, sunday, and it took me 4 stores to get a copy. BB was sold out, two gamestops, and CC had it...I hate giving my money to CC, but whatever.
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Sold out stores in my area include: EB games, BB, Wal Mart, Meijers, and Target. I actually got my copy at FYE. My friend found it buried in another section. I had given up and was in the process of paying for a dvd I found there (Solaris, underrated) when he came up behind me and handed me the copy he found. There were 2 guys working behind the counter and they shot each other a glance and asked where he found that copy, because they've had a single copy showing in stock for days and they haven't been able to locate it and it's been driving them nuts because they wanted it for themselves :)

I haven't had to run all over and find a popular game on release in years. It was strangely fun.
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Fairweather Pure wrote:Sold out stores in my area include: EB games, BB, Wal Mart, Meijers, and Target. I actually got my copy at FYE. My friend found it buried in another section. I had given up and was in the process of paying for a dvd I found there (Solaris, underrated) when he came up behind me and handed me the copy he found. There were 2 guys working behind the counter and they shot each other a glance and asked where he found that copy, because they've had a single copy showing in stock for days and they haven't been able to locate it and it's been driving them nuts because they wanted it for themselves :)

I haven't had to run all over and find a popular game on release in years. It was strangely fun.
If pain is fun, then yeah :) Really though, that is why I reserve games, I want to walk in on release day (and not stand in line when the store opens, either) get my game, walk out, and go home to play it. I detest malls/stores/shopping in general, and avoid it/them at all costs.
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I'm about 5 hours in now and I'm officially addicted to the game. It's as good as any of the classic RPGs I played in my younger years (FF3, 7, Chronotrigger). The only thing it's really missing is the originality those games boasted at the time.

I like that it can be quite a challange. That first boss took me 4 tries before I figured it out. The first 1-2 tries, it wasn't even close!
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I am going to wait until I get further in before I form an opinion about this game, but initial impressions:

Load times are a bit ridiculous. An option for a hard drive install would have been nice, for sure.

The music (that I can hear above the jet engine roar of my XBox fan) is excellent.

Clunky start to the story line. They don't explain very much of what is going on, especially regarding the dream sequences. Oh, and four fucking disks and the dream snippets are all emo poems done in power point? WFT? Mass Effect had much better story pacing, especially in the beginning.

Combat system is pretty well balanced. I found the initial couple hour's fights to be descently balanced, not to hard, not too easy. Granted they are basically stealling the FF9 skill system for the Immortals, but if it works don't fuck with it.

This game has some of the best visuals, outside of Oblivion (and on par with Mass Effect) but there is some texture tearing and pixilization at points (I am playing this in 720p) that hamper it. That said, graphics rarely affect my enjoyment of an RPG, so I don't really care unless the game starts experiencing slowdown.

Ring system is a gay concession to the Xbox target market of twitch gamers. Does every game, including the classic style RPGs, have to have crap like this to draw in the ADD kiddies? A percentage based proc system would have worked just fine. I think the ring timing is out of place here.

Item options seem a little limited, but thats not nessecarily a bad thing, it just limits the potential depth. It seems most of what would have ended up as item effects in most RPGs is centered in the skill system, so I am going to wait until further along before forming a real opinion about this.

The Immortals look like they all have the potential to suffer the "Cloud Syndrome", ie they can basically learn any skill in the game, so outside of basic stats all of them are going to start looking pretty similar once you determine the optimum skill setup. More rescent FF games have suffered this problem as well, and while I don't like a strict class based system, I don't know if I like the whole "everyone is a mage tank" thing that a lot of newer RPGs are doing. This problem is not unique to this game, but a problem with many rescent RPGs (Mass Effect being a notable exception).

Summary:
So far, this game is fun. I think its sitting between Mass Effect and Blue Dragon on the fun factor, but it could grow on me a lot if the story picks up. Despite my criticisms above (I am being very picky), I think this is a really good game, but I expected something by the guys who made chrono trigger to have done a little better job of hooking you into the characters, which this game hasn't really done for me yet. Right now, I think Enchanted Arms did a better job of getting you into the characters, but hopefully it picks up. There is no question that this is an astonishingly pretty game, though.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .

Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)

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Wait till you get farther into and near the end of disk 1 =)
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Animalor wrote:Wait till you get farther into and near the end of disk 1 =)
do the hats get sillier in the later disks? there are a lot of stupid hats in the game.
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First off, I'm stuck at Experimental Staff (somewhere in disk 2) and it's pissing me off. I've gone from level 28-32 running around this level trying to figure out the damn crates/elevators. For whatever reason, I'm missing something. Making things even more annoying is that I don't have the "turn tail" item so can't ditch battles. The battles aren't hard, just long and annoying when I've been in the level for hours. I've stolen my five passes and have run around moving shit all over the place.

Loving the game overall. Since we're being nitpicky, Mack and Cooke are mostly annoying and added the "cute" factor I didn't think needed to be in the game. I'm also disappointed that the black general, who started out a strong, turned into a three stooges type character later on.

The battle system works well. It allows for some strategy. The boss mobs have been challenging as have some of the regular mobs when combined together in interesting ways, front/back, etc.

I'm not big on moving around crates, torch lighting sequences, etc. If there was one thing I'd change, it would be to cut down on the parts Mack and Cooke play in the game. Right now they sit on my "bench" not in formation but I've heard that all the characters have "solo" type battles later on so I'm going to have to level them.

There's an accessory that gives three additional slots in Salam. (keep giving the bird gold until you get it). Don't miss it!

Edit: finally figured out Experimental Staff. Much hate for that level!
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I am on the fourth disk now, and I actually think all I have left story wise to do is to go to grand staff, and beat the bosses there. But I am going to level up quite a bit, and go after all of the optional bosses, get all of the hidden treasures, find all of the cube music, etc.

One thing I did read, in case anyone else was wondering like I was -
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the gambler guy in the gambling den (In gohtza I think?) - if you give him 10k you will get 50k back.
Disc 3 was a little frustrating for me, because I am not generally a fan of the part in a RPG where your party gets split up (it happens in them all, so i was expecting it). The dungeon at the begining of disc 4 frustrated me for the same reason, especially because the teams they split you into were way unbalanced, one of my teams was ripping through battles and the other had to run 75% of the time.

The bosses got pretty easy after the first two on the first disc, but there are a handful of them at the beginning of disc 4 that I had a ton of trouble with, so it does get harder again :)

Overall I like the game quite a bit, I got to like all the characters, the story is very good and involving, and the 1000 years of dreams are possibly the best writing I have seen in a video game. I am saving a longer write up for when I finish the game :)
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Funkmasterr wrote:I am on the fourth disk now, and I actually think all I have left story wise to do is to go to grand staff, and beat the bosses there. But I am going to level up quite a bit, and go after all of the optional bosses, get all of the hidden treasures, find all of the cube music, etc.

One thing I did read, in case anyone else was wondering like I was -
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the gambler guy in the gambling den (In gohtza I think?) - if you give him 10k you will get 50k back.
Disc 3 was a little frustrating for me, because I am not generally a fan of the part in a RPG where your party gets split up (it happens in them all, so i was expecting it). The dungeon at the begining of disc 4 frustrated me for the same reason, especially because the teams they split you into were way unbalanced, one of my teams was ripping through battles and the other had to run 75% of the time.

The bosses got pretty easy after the first two on the first disc, but there are a handful of them at the beginning of disc 4 that I had a ton of trouble with, so it does get harder again :)

Overall I like the game quite a bit, I got to like all the characters, the story is very good and involving, and the 1000 years of dreams are possibly the best writing I have seen in a video game. I am saving a longer write up for when I finish the game :)
I thought disk 3 was all sorts of awesome personally. Loved all the different aspects and stories. I also haven't cared this much about JRPG characters since FF6. Ok, I don't really care about some of the later characters(one whiney bitch in particular) but the game works. I'm gonna take my time around disk 4 and try to unlock some additional stuff.
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Animalor wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:I am on the fourth disk now, and I actually think all I have left story wise to do is to go to grand staff, and beat the bosses there. But I am going to level up quite a bit, and go after all of the optional bosses, get all of the hidden treasures, find all of the cube music, etc.

One thing I did read, in case anyone else was wondering like I was -
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the gambler guy in the gambling den (In gohtza I think?) - if you give him 10k you will get 50k back.
Disc 3 was a little frustrating for me, because I am not generally a fan of the part in a RPG where your party gets split up (it happens in them all, so i was expecting it). The dungeon at the begining of disc 4 frustrated me for the same reason, especially because the teams they split you into were way unbalanced, one of my teams was ripping through battles and the other had to run 75% of the time.

The bosses got pretty easy after the first two on the first disc, but there are a handful of them at the beginning of disc 4 that I had a ton of trouble with, so it does get harder again :)

Overall I like the game quite a bit, I got to like all the characters, the story is very good and involving, and the 1000 years of dreams are possibly the best writing I have seen in a video game. I am saving a longer write up for when I finish the game :)
I thought disk 3 was all sorts of awesome personally. Loved all the different aspects and stories. I also haven't cared this much about JRPG characters since FF6. Ok, I don't really care about some of the later characters(one whiney bitch in particular) but the game works. I'm gonna take my time around disk 4 and try to unlock some additional stuff.
Yeah disk 4 as far as storyline is very short, probably 5 hours playtime, but I intend on getting the 1k points for the game, and I have read that one of the hidden bosses requires you be around level 70 to actually stand a chance, so I will be playing disk 4 for quite a while.
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War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .

Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

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It is a good game, but its lacking on a couple of fronts. My main bones of contention are:

1) Performance- This game has an absurd amount of load times and still has some performance issues, such as some garbled textures and frame rate drops. As I said before, having a hard drive install would have done this game a world of good. As it is, this game should be renamed to "Loading, Please Wait" because those are the words you see most often.

2) The Gayest Minigames since Gay left Gaytown- This is a turn based RPG. There is no need to put in a bunch of timing based elements into the game, much less all the stupid run around and gather tedious shit quests. I swear these guys brought over people from the Lineage 2 design team, because tedious bullshit with no purpose (hi2u funeral montage) seem to be their favorite design element. That and long power point presentations for the memory sequences (four fucking disks and you can't animate the flashbacks?) that you spam through after the first half dozen of them.

3) Customizable Conformity- Four Immortals. Two with choppy stats, two with caster stats. After a couple hours of random grinding, their skill setups are completely identical because there really is one best setup which anyone who has played RPGs more than once in their life will beeline towards. There really needed to be some more diversity here, like a ranged attacking Immortal who could make physical hits from the back rank or even a guy with average stats across the board so you could build them in either direction. I really expected some more diversity from the team that made Chrono Trigger, honestly.

4) Weak Story presentation- The cutscenes are beautiful and well done, but the story itself is pretty scattered and I am having a hard time getting into any of the characters. While none of the characters annoys me (I even think the kids are descently done), the only one I really seem to get into is the thief guy, who has excellent dialog. I honestly believe that this is the biggest issue with this game and that Enchanted Arms actually had a better storyline and characters. If they had only spent less time putting freckles and veins on the giginourmous racks of the female characters and spent more time fleshing out the story, this game would have easily been the best Xbox RPG to date. As it is, I have to place it about on the same level as Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon, and Fable, but significantly below Jade Empire or Mass Effect.

Remember, before you start up the fanboi rage, I like this game and think it is a good RPG, but I am disappointed in where it fell short, especially given the talent that was behind its creation.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .

Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

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Jice Virago wrote: 2) The Gayest Minigames since Gay left Gaytown- This is a turn based RPG. There is no need to put in a bunch of timing based elements into the game, much less all the stupid run around and gather tedious shit quests. I swear these guys brought over people from the Lineage 2 design team, because tedious bullshit with no purpose (hi2u funeral montage) seem to be their favorite design element. That and long power point presentations for the memory sequences (four fucking disks and you can't animate the flashbacks?) that you spam through after the first half dozen of them.
I agree with this point but I think they are even gayer than gay. The torch thing is probably the lamest but the underwater escape requiring you to pound away on certain buttons is a close second.

As for immortals and skills. Wait until you run into a relative of Seth's later on. They have an extremely nice set of skills. All I was doing the entire time was learning all of these new skills with Seth. At this point in the story, the characters are split up so for the time being, I can only learn these skills using Seth and it's possible the other immortals won't be able to learn them if the "relative" doesn't join up with the rest of the team. I don't won't know that for awhile yet.

Most of disk three is split party action so that presents a little more variety in approaching battles I suppose although if you buy something at a store with one group, the items are available to the other groups as well.

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I'm having a great time playing through the game. The mini games, Cooke and Mack, and a few other things can be annoying though for sure.
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Jice Virago wrote:It is a good game, but its lacking on a couple of fronts. My main bones of contention are:

1) Performance- This game has an absurd amount of load times and still has some performance issues, such as some garbled textures and frame rate drops. As I said before, having a hard drive install would have done this game a world of good. As it is, this game should be renamed to "Loading, Please Wait" because those are the words you see most often.

2) The Gayest Minigames since Gay left Gaytown- This is a turn based RPG. There is no need to put in a bunch of timing based elements into the game, much less all the stupid run around and gather tedious shit quests. I swear these guys brought over people from the Lineage 2 design team, because tedious bullshit with no purpose (hi2u funeral montage) seem to be their favorite design element. That and long power point presentations for the memory sequences (four fucking disks and you can't animate the flashbacks?) that you spam through after the first half dozen of them.

3) Customizable Conformity- Four Immortals. Two with choppy stats, two with caster stats. After a couple hours of random grinding, their skill setups are completely identical because there really is one best setup which anyone who has played RPGs more than once in their life will beeline towards. There really needed to be some more diversity here, like a ranged attacking Immortal who could make physical hits from the back rank or even a guy with average stats across the board so you could build them in either direction. I really expected some more diversity from the team that made Chrono Trigger, honestly.

4) Weak Story presentation- The cutscenes are beautiful and well done, but the story itself is pretty scattered and I am having a hard time getting into any of the characters. While none of the characters annoys me (I even think the kids are descently done), the only one I really seem to get into is the thief guy, who has excellent dialog. I honestly believe that this is the biggest issue with this game and that Enchanted Arms actually had a better storyline and characters. If they had only spent less time putting freckles and veins on the giginourmous racks of the female characters and spent more time fleshing out the story, this game would have easily been the best Xbox RPG to date. As it is, I have to place it about on the same level as Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon, and Fable, but significantly below Jade Empire or Mass Effect.

Remember, before you start up the fanboi rage, I like this game and think it is a good RPG, but I am disappointed in where it fell short, especially given the talent that was behind its creation.
To each their own, but I disagree with you on pretty much all points, but most notably that mass effect was anywhere near as good as this game. I get more enjoyment from looking at the loading screens (which I don't think are as cumbersome as you are stating) than I did on any of my 3 play throughs of that cum stain of a video game.

1) Performance - The load scenes are annoying in some parts, but not that bad overall. I have had 1 time where I had any of the other issues you stated (frame rates, etc) and it was on disc four for about 5 seconds.

2) I don't mind the minigames, I have fun poking around, and a lot of them require you to gather shit, which works out fine cause you can explore and find hidden items/etc while you are doing them to kill two birds with one stone.

3) I don't really think this is an issue that can be addressed in a turn based RPG, given the nature of the game it's just bound to happen and it has happened in any other turn based rpg i can think of, so I can't mark it as a fault for this one in particular. I like the timing thing for melee attacks, it adds a little spice to boring parts in battles and gives you something to aim for, especially with the achievement.

4) I couldn't disagree more about the story presentation - I think it is done the way it is for a reason. The immortals don't remember what they have done or whats going on, or what they are supposed to do, so you get bits and pieces as they remember it. I have gotten into all the characters, and I think there is more story quality in ONE of the 1000 years of dreams writings then there is in the entire game of Mass Effect.

I hate to come off as a dick about it, but I don't want to see people making game developers think that your opinion is what everyone wants.. The "changes" they have tried to make in the RPG genre have been a miserable fucking failure IMO, these types of games are what they should stick to, fuck worrying about getting them more mainstream to get more people to buy it.
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Mass Effect has the better story and interaction between characters.

I don't want to compare the two as Mass Effect is an RPG/FPS combo while Lost Odyssey is an RPG/Turn Based Traditional game. Mass Effect is actually interactive, allowing you to participate in the dialogs.

They're both excellent games. Visually, Mass Effect has the edge but the styles are totally different and I don't want to compare.

I've partially replayed Mass Effect three times. I'll wait and see how much I replay Lost Odyssey. I also still have an entire disk to go with Lost Odyssey and will have to see how many sidequests etc are available after the main story winds up. It's too early to form an opinion besides me still enjoying the game deep into the third disk.
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Replay isn't a fair comparison between the two games, I have played three thorough playthroughs of mass effect and my time played is barely more than my played time is now at the beginning of disk 4 of lost odyssey.
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Finally found this.

Lost Odyssey 273 page guide.

I just like all the pretty pictures but for completionists, it might be worth a look:

Lost Odyssey eGuide ~56mb

Prima Guides are always well put together.
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Funk, if you really think this game has a good story, you should download Jade Empire. This game has an average story, not good, not bad. As far as turn based games go, others have addressed the issues I mentioned very well. Many of the FF games accomplished it, along with the Dragon Warrior games, to say nothing of the Breath of Fire series. In fact, the designers of this game made a game with a better character development system (chronotrigger) in the past, so obviously it can be done.

Again, I like this game, I just do not think it is the ultimate RPG for the Xbox. It is certainly on par with enchanted arms, blue dragon, and fable, though. I think Jade Empire and Oblivion probably remain the best RPGs made for Xbox consoles, with Mass Effect (a hybrid) a close honorable mention. It is (when the textures are not tearing) certainly the most visually impressive game I have seen on the 360, but maybe some of those guys who were designing the massive veiny tits for the female characters could have worked on story instead; then you would have had a much better game.
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Jice Virago wrote:maybe some of those guys who were designing the massive veiny tits for the female characters could have worked on story instead; then you would have had a much better game.

Thank god it's only Ming with those veins. Seth fortunately does not suffer from varicose veins.
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Re: Lost Odyssey

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No, she just has what appear to be Stripper Fakes. At least they didn't give Cooke a giant rack, like every other woman in this game. Thats really something that had even my wife laughing without either one of us commenting on it. Someone, in the process of designing this game, went to a lot of trouble of researching a ton of different types of giant tits and spent a lot of time getting them into the game, all over the place. Its really quite ridiculous, what the average bra size is of someone living on this world and how much effort was put into having ultra realistic looking cleavage, freckles veins and all.
War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .

Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

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Re: Lost Odyssey

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While Ming's hooters appear huge and on the verge of bursting out of her outfit, Seths pair are much more natural IMO. I was bummed to see Seth wears biker shorts under her dress which took some fancy camera work to see while she was climbing ladders. After the initial intro to Seth where she does an acrobatic move, I was hoping they'd continue with that theme in more of the cut scenes with her.

I don't like either kid, Cooke or Mack. Their outfits are goofy and Kaim should have been much more strict with them early in the game. Mack, in particular, needs some discipline. "I just wanted to see my mother" only goes so far as an excuse.

Jansen is the most entertaining of the bunch along with Seth.
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Re: Lost Odyssey

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Winnow wrote:While Ming's hooters appear huge and on the verge of bursting out of her outfit, Seths pair are much more natural IMO. I was bummed to see Seth wears biker shorts under her dress which took some fancy camera work to see while she was climbing ladders.
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Hell no, I'd take a screenshot if I could. Need to get the blue alien chick from Mass Effect involved somehow.

Best cut scene so far is when Seth jumps into the captain's seat when leaving Numara.

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Distubing "mama" scene, spoiler alert:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Q0iMl0 ... re=related

Someone mentioned that Seth's voice is done by same actress that did Rikku's in FFX. Nice!


Early scene that's not a spoiler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZEtqskS9TU

Another early Jansen character builder scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcoBBuejVJc

Jansen gets the Queen drunk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ucdzqMIpMo
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Re: Lost Odyssey

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Thanks a lot winnow!

Anyone care to explain to me how it makes sense for those little thiefing rat looking mobs to steal accessories from you and you don't get them back at the end of the fight? How the fuck am I supposed to get everyone to learn skills with those sob's stealing from me?

Ani - Are you grinding exp right now, and if so where at? I have been at the temple that you go to in the beginning of disk 4 but it is verrrrrry slow.
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Re: Lost Odyssey

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You must go kill the leader of the rat things...same area, but the ice cave part in the beginning. There's a part where you "slide" down before going outside. Well, the slide part stops halfway down, if you walk north (i think) from there, you will encounter the leader. Fairly easy fight. Guess what, you get your items back, and they won't steal from you anymore after beating them...they say something about the crown thing too from that area.

Its very hard to explain...basicly, if you are on level 3, you slide halfway down to level 1, which is level 2...hard to notice, but it is there and it is a path that goes "up" on your screen. This slightly before you go outside to the snow cliffs.
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Kluden wrote:You must go kill the leader of the rat things...same area, but the ice cave part in the beginning. There's a part where you "slide" down before going outside. Well, the slide part stops halfway down, if you walk north (i think) from there, you will encounter the leader. Fairly easy fight. Guess what, you get your items back, and they won't steal from you anymore after beating them...they say something about the crown thing too from that area.

Its very hard to explain...basicly, if you are on level 3, you slide halfway down to level 1, which is level 2...hard to notice, but it is there and it is a path that goes "up" on your screen. This slightly before you go outside to the snow cliffs.
Ah hah, so where is it? The frozen path or whatever that you fought all the raptors on too? Where Cooke and Mack passed out in the snow.

You edited.. Ok, I'll try and find it, thanks!
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I'm at the beginning of Disk 4. I had beat the temple but the rat things in the temple stole some of my stuff and you can't go back into the temple once you beat it.

I had to lead from my previous save, I took care of the rats but I have to beat the boss again now.

As for Grinding, I haven't really started doing that yet. Douple SP is a damned sweet skill and Accesories x2 is also one that goes a long way on grinding those.

As for levels I'm not sure where I'll be grinding those. I've yet to find a spot unaffected by that cap.
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Animalor wrote:I'm at the beginning of Disk 4. I had beat the temple but the rat things in the temple stole some of my stuff and you can't go back into the temple once you beat it.

I had to lead from my previous save, I took care of the rats but I have to beat the boss again now.

As for Grinding, I haven't really started doing that yet. Douple SP is a damned sweet skill and Accesories x2 is also one that goes a long way on grinding those.

As for levels I'm not sure where I'll be grinding those. I've yet to find a spot unaffected by that cap.
I hope that doesn't mean I'm fucked w/ the stuff I lost.. That will really suck.
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Re: Lost Odyssey

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Funkmasterr wrote:
Animalor wrote:I'm at the beginning of Disk 4. I had beat the temple but the rat things in the temple stole some of my stuff and you can't go back into the temple once you beat it.

I had to lead from my previous save, I took care of the rats but I have to beat the boss again now.

As for Grinding, I haven't really started doing that yet. Douple SP is a damned sweet skill and Accesories x2 is also one that goes a long way on grinding those.

As for levels I'm not sure where I'll be grinding those. I've yet to find a spot unaffected by that cap.
I hope that doesn't mean I'm fucked w/ the stuff I lost.. That will really suck.
Given that there's an achievement for having all skills on Kaim, You either have to load a previous save in the temple or start over from scratch..

(Unless they stole something that can be re-bought/re-got.)
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Funkmasterr wrote:
Animalor wrote:I'm at the beginning of Disk 4. I had beat the temple but the rat things in the temple stole some of my stuff and you can't go back into the temple once you beat it.

I had to lead from my previous save, I took care of the rats but I have to beat the boss again now.

As for Grinding, I haven't really started doing that yet. Douple SP is a damned sweet skill and Accesories x2 is also one that goes a long way on grinding those.

As for levels I'm not sure where I'll be grinding those. I've yet to find a spot unaffected by that cap.
I hope that doesn't mean I'm fucked w/ the stuff I lost.. That will really suck.
Given that there's an achievement for having all skills on Kaim, You either have to load a previous save in the temple or start over from scratch..

(Unless they stole something that can be re-bought/re-got.)
I guess I'm missing how the whole killing the rat boss thing kluden mentioned won't work? He isn't in the temple, he's in the ice place (I thought.) I'm kinda confused I thinks.
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Re: Lost Odyssey

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There's 2 rat things.

The one in the Ice Canyon wants the crown that you get after you kill the boss. Kill the boss, get the Elmon Crown, let the rats steal the crown then go kill the Elmon leader.

Here's another set of rats in the Eastern Tribe Ruins. Same deal, get the Trooky Talisman, let them steal it(It's on the 2nd temple after the midway save point). Then in the 2nd half of the temple, once you've unlocked the lifts, the Trooky Queen appears on the lower level. Defeat her and you'll get all your stolen stuff back. You have to make sure you beat this one before beating the boss..

One last thing. Once you've defeated the Elmon Leader or the Trooky Queen after they've stolen the Crown and Talisman respectively, the rats you encounter in battle won't steal your shit anymore.

Both sidequests are detailed here.
http://www.lost-odyssey.net/walkthrough4.php
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Re: Lost Odyssey

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woops, did I have the wrong annoying rat things that steal your shit?
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Wow that annoys me immensely. It might be a few months before I pick the game back up because of that. I wanted all 1k points and had zero interest of playing through a second time.
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Forget that. You can definately go back to the Eastern Tribe Ruins after you beat the boss.

I couldn't earlier because I hadn't doe the cutscene after you finish it the first time.

Sorry for the misinformation Funk.
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Animalor wrote:Forget that. You can definately go back to the Eastern Tribe Ruins after you beat the boss.

I couldn't earlier because I hadn't doe the cutscene after you finish it the first time.

Sorry for the misinformation Funk.
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Re: Lost Odyssey

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This is rich.. I TRIED to buy the prima eguide on the 14th when I got the game... When it came to downloading the guide, it was broken. Their reader wouldn't unlock out of trial and the guide wouldn't go past page 3 anyways...

A couple of people posted about it on their message board and after 4-5 days, they offered refunds to everyone that had purchased the guide.

They apparently fixed the guide but the thread on their boards is still growing with people having problems..

Best part is that I found it for free by googling Lost Odyssey eguide download. Someone put it up on rapidshare as a 4-part rar file and posted a link to each section on a mesage board..

It's apparently available on usenet as well.

Fuck Prima and their DRM. I tried to get the guide ligitimately and they were less than accomodating. The lest they could've done is shipped me a paper copy of the thing since the download was messed up. I checked stores around my area and noone is carrying guides anymore either (The EB I usually go to don't sell em anymore and are liquidating remaining stock).

So now our only legitimate choice is either Amazon or a file with so much DRM that it's broken for everyone..

I just love then they assume everyone is a thief...
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Animalor wrote:
Best part is that I found it for free by googling Lost Odyssey eguide download. Someone put it up on rapidshare as a 4-part rar file and posted a link to each section on a mesage board..

It's apparently available on usenet as well.
You could have looked about 20 posts above this one and found the guide as well!
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Winnow wrote:
Animalor wrote:
Best part is that I found it for free by googling Lost Odyssey eguide download. Someone put it up on rapidshare as a 4-part rar file and posted a link to each section on a mesage board..

It's apparently available on usenet as well.
You could have looked about 20 posts above this one and found the guide as well!
*sigh* I fail at the internet...
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Re: Lost Odyssey

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Nevermind :)
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That, and if you don't feel like being a theif, just use one of the home brew guides that are out there. I like the one at This Place best. That way, you put someone's hard work to use, and don't infringe on anyone's copyright laws, no?
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I tried giving Prima some money but they failed on their end of the bargain and didn't deliver a product. I figure downloading the guide is repayment for the week of aggravation attempting to download the guide legitimately and having to hound them for a refund. (+ the 1.50$ I lost out cause of the f'ing exchange rate.)

At any rate, I beat the Optional boss in the Haunted Mansion this morning(Persona). Was damned easy too. Just make sure that you have anti-petrify on all your characters.
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Kluden wrote:That, and if you don't feel like being a theif, just use one of the home brew guides that are out there. I like the one at This Place best. That way, you put someone's hard work to use, and don't infringe on anyone's copyright laws, no?

The two free online walkthroughs I've looked at have been fine over the Prima guide. The Prima guide might be good for specific things and complete spell, skill, rings, quest lists etc.

I mostly like looking at official guides for the artwork.
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Animalor wrote:I tried giving Prima some money but they failed on their end of the bargain and didn't deliver a product. I figure downloading the guide is repayment for the week of aggravation attempting to download the guide legitimately and having to hound them for a refund. (+ the 1.50$ I lost out cause of the f'ing exchange rate.)

At any rate, I beat the Optional boss in the Haunted Mansion this morning(Persona). Was damned easy too. Just make sure that you have anti-petrify on all your characters.
Nice, what level are your peeps?

I got all my characters to 50+ yesterday in gongora's hidden lab in uhra and then went to the backyard. I beat the light and medium classes and got the achievements for those two, and got half way through hard (the fight im on is a pita). There is so much to do in the game yet that whenever I try and think about what to do next I can't figure out what I should do, lol.
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I really take my time with these games, I just switched to disk 4 last night, and I've logged 30~34 hours so far. What time frame have you guys spent on this mamajama so far?
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Kluden wrote:I really take my time with these games, I just switched to disk 4 last night, and I've logged 30~34 hours so far. What time frame have you guys spent on this mamajama so far?

I'm still on disk three and have somewhere between 40-50 hours of game time. I haven't played in three or four days. I stopped at the place where the steam vents blast hot water up in the air.

I needed a breather. Will continue in a day or two.
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Funkmasterr wrote: Nice, what level are your peeps?

I got all my characters to 50+ yesterday in gongora's hidden lab in uhra and then went to the backyard. I beat the light and medium classes and got the achievements for those two, and got half way through hard (the fight im on is a pita). There is so much to do in the game yet that whenever I try and think about what to do next I can't figure out what I should do, lol.
Mine are between 40 and 43 approx. Haven't spent any time in the secret lab yet.
I really take my time with these games, I just switched to disk 4 last night, and I've logged 30~34 hours so far. What time frame have you guys spent on this mamajama so far?
I'm at close to 60 hours now.
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Steam vents is the last part before disk 4.

I figure I'll probably spend 30 more hours before "beating" the game now that I'm on disk 4. I had assumed it was like all the other Final Fantasy games where you just needed the flying machine and you could go back to every place in the game to make 100% completion.
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