New Zunes

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 13, 2007, 2:17 pm

If MVIS drops much more today I may be out on the street corner offering to polish out scratches on iPod players for 50 cents.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » November 13, 2007, 2:23 pm

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 13, 2007, 3:36 pm

noel wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:
noel wrote:I just love how wannabe audiophiles come around bashing ANY portable music player. Unless you're listening to your music as lossless, shut the fuck up and never bring up the audio quality on any of the ever again. Seriously shut the fuck up. They're all the same. Pick the one that you like the best for whatever reason, but there's so little difference it's no wonder at all that Sueven was expressing indifference about his purchase. It's really whatever company/software/ergonomics you like. There is no TRUE differentiator between any of them. Except the Touch. Which is made by Apple and is an iPod.
Spoken like someone who thinks they know, but obviously dosen't. It's like me telling you that all bicycles are the same because they have 2 wheels and if you disagree then your nothing but a rabid bikeophile or whatever they call bike people besides faggots.
Educate us. Show me a portable digital audio player that's close to a home system. Show me a portable digital audio player that is SIGNIFICANTLY better that another in ANY way.

Hey Noel, sorry about the faggot comment. For some reason I thought that sounded funny when I typed it. Looking back, it sounds really hateful.

I'm not going to post comparisons. You can look those up yourself and see.

What I am trying to communicate when I say "those who know, know" is that audiophiles can tell just by listening. It's just like people that are passionate about virtually any hobby. Many become pseudo experts purely by accident. I certianly do not require a slew of charts and graphs to prove the difference to me. I can play the exact same song on an ipod and zen, then swap my headphone jack back and forth. The difference is significant. The ipod isn't even in the same league by anyone that appreciates quality sounding music.

When someone posts on this board, we all want that person to get the best. That's the whole point. When someone wants an mp3 player and dosen't care about sound, they're obviously thinking much differently than me. They can take my advice with a grain of salt and concentrate on other features that are more important to them.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 13, 2007, 3:41 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:Hey Noel, sorry about the faggot comment. For some reason I thought that sounded funny when I typed it. Looking back, it sounds really hateful.

I'm not going to post comparisons. You can look those up yourself and see.

What I am trying to communicate when I say "those who know, know" is that audiophiles can tell just by listening. It's just like people that are passionate about virtually any hobby. Many become pseudo experts purely by accident. I certianly do not require a slew of charts and graphs to prove the difference to me. I can play the exact same song on an ipod and zen, then swap my headphone jack back and forth. The difference is significant. The ipod isn't even in the same league by anyone that appreciates quality sounding music.

When someone posts on this board, we all want that person to get the best. That's the whole point. When someone wants an mp3 player and dosen't care about sound, they're obviously thinking much differently than me. They can take my advice with a grain of salt and concentrate on other features that are more important to them.

The faggot comment doesn't bother me. I'm not gay so I assumed you were flaming back.

You've pretty much gotten my point, but I'll clarify 'my thinking' which is clearly different from yours. My thinking is:

People that truly care about audio quality, aren't looking for it in a portable player. People who are looking for a portable player are looking for portability. The main differences between them are capacity, software support, ergonomics and possibly brand loyalty. There may be differences in audio quality, but they're just not significant when compared to a REAL quality audio device which is not (never?) a portable device.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 13, 2007, 3:46 pm

But there is a huge difference.

I listen to my mp3 player about 5-6 hours a day on average while I'm sitting at a desk coding. I wanted alll the same things you addressed, but sound quality was pretty much the most important aspect. Other people's milage may vary based on what they are using thier player for.

I couldn't disagree more that there is little to no difference based on the player.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 13, 2007, 4:18 pm

You can drive to work in an economy car or a luxury car. Both get the job done of getting you to work. The person in the economy car probably doesn't think about the quality of the ride, the sound proofing of the cabin, etc...but if you switch to a luxury car, you definately notice the difference in ride/sound. It's not required, but it's easily noticeable.

The point is that, as Sueven says, the "masses" don't care that they are using a product that's not the best as the same basic function is accomplished. A song is played from beginning to end. I get that part of it...but saying that it doesn't matter or make a difference is being ignorant.

I recently switched cars and the new car has much better sound proofing. The difference is huge when listening to audio (or podcasts for that matter) as the outside noises are much more muted.

The reason iPods need more accessories is because they lack features and also scratch easy so Apple and other third parties can make money selling the FM accessories, gobs of skins, etc. It's a nice racket for those involved. Apple already has monstrous markups on their products and charges are also high for accessories.

I'm mostly talking about sound quality here. iPods are nice. I really like my present Nano. I'm not out to bash Apple products but sound quality does make a difference. Now that Microsoft looks like they've embraced podcasts and have made it easy to subscribe to them , etc, I can take a look at Zunes as a possible alternative.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 13, 2007, 4:23 pm

But to Sueven's point and to mine, I use it while I'm working out.

Hell, 80% of the time, unless I'm on a trainer (which is as little as possible), I only have one earbud in my ear. Unless someone comes out with a device that allows me to hear my favorite music, while working out, with perfect audio quality, while still allowing me to hear traffic, it will never, ever matter to me.

My MDX has a WONDERFUL DVD-Audio system, and though there's not a lot of media for it, it sounds fantastic. When I'm driving, I love it, but I have totally different needs/goals/values for my portable player, and perfect audio quality isn't even there.

I'll also say again, that if you're concerned about audio quality, but still encoding your music to MP3 WMA or any other format, you're fooling yourself. Lossless is the only way to go if you TRULY care about the audio quality.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 13, 2007, 4:24 pm

This is an awesome thread. It's like console wars.. But portablized.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » November 13, 2007, 4:54 pm

Winnow wrote:The reason iPods need more accessories is because they lack features and also scratch easy so Apple and other third parties can make money selling the FM accessories, gobs of skins, etc. It's a nice racket for those involved. Apple already has monstrous markups on their products and charges are also high for accessories.

What 'features' does the iPod lack which would allow it to strap itself to my arm while I work out? Or would allow it to project sound out of speakers instead of headphones? Does the Zune include these features?

If the Zune offers the same third party products and for lesser prices, that's something. But the results of my limited investigation (which is the product of as much effort as I'm willing to commit to the investigation) the Zune doesn't have the products at all (at the least, they're not stocked on store shelves). I'm not willing to search for them in specialty stores, and I'm not willing to order them on the internet, pay for shipping, and then wait for them to be shipped to me. If you are willing to do these things, good for you, but again, remember that you are not the typical customer.

Noel said everything I would have said about audio quality.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 13, 2007, 6:50 pm

Sueven wrote:
What 'features' does the iPod lack which would allow it to strap itself to my arm while I work out? Or would allow it to project sound out of speakers instead of headphones? Does the Zune include these features?

The Zune comes with a roll of Duct Tape.

This is not like the console wars. Both players have the same media where the 360 has a much better selection of media. (and rumble, and better online support, and it's cheaper, Sony does have the arrogance of Apple though)

Noel,

The "only use one earbud" excuse isn't going to cut it. Does your one hear all the sudden lose it's ability to hear good mono sound if the other ear isn't involved? The crackling sounds of bad audio while riding a bike might fool you into thinking you're riding on gravel causing you to lose precious time needlessly slowing your speed.

Why is everyone so defensive? The Zunes look like nice alternatives to iPods even for those that care about more than quality audio. The wireless and video features are enticing while perhaps those that listen in less than ideal conditions with stock earbuds, are still better suited for the Nano. Lossless is the best but MP3's vary widely in quality and superhuman hearing shouldn't be required to tell the difference.

Here are some good earphones for $499:

http://www.earphonesolutions.com/beeaforip.html

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 13, 2007, 6:56 pm

What's going on here.. Not that long ago you were all about the Zen!!

I dislike Zune because it's by Microsoft. And some of the DRM crap (at least in the first models) was ridiculous. Irrational I know but there you go.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » November 13, 2007, 7:01 pm

Winnow wrote:
Here are some good earphones for $499:

http://www.earphonesolutions.com/beeaforip.html

Not sure if that's just a joke, but spending $500 on earphones for a portable media player is pretty retarded. You need a good amplifier to give headphones like that a signal, and there isn't a single portable media player that will do a good job. Even a computer sound card is shit, unless their is some sort of amplifier between you and the sound card.

Question: are there complaints when using the docking port of the ipod as far as audio quality goes? (so the sound is not coming through the headphone jack)

Fash · Post by **Fash** » November 13, 2007, 7:17 pm

I've got no complaints about the ipod sound quality, when using $99 bose triport ie's

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 13, 2007, 7:23 pm

Aslanna wrote:What's going on here.. Not that long ago you were all about the Zen!!

I dislike Zune because it's by Microsoft. And some of the DRM crap (at least in the first models) was ridiculous. Irrational I know but there you go.

That's true but Microsoft learns from generation to generation.

Look at what they managed to accomplish between the original Xbox and Xbox 360, and they're on the right track with Zune to Zune 2.

People disike DRM and Microsoft has adjusted:

http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/11/sne ... -at-n.html

Sneak Peek At Next Week's Zune Upgrade (Including DRM-Free Tracks)

By Eliot Van Buskirk

On November 13, Microsoft will start selling two new Zunes, but the company also has plans for a large-scale refresh of the Zune Marketplace and community -- improvements which will also affect owners of the first round of Zune devices.

In general, the Zune community upgrade is about changing the focus from device-to-device to PC-to-PC social networking -- a good idea, considering that not enough people own the devices to make the in-person sharing feature very appealing.

Members of the community (no Zune required) will be able to create an online profile called a Zune Card, with their own image, background, bio, music listening habits, and currently-playing song. Like other social networks, this one will let you add friends and comment on their pages. Friends will be able to recommend tracks to each other, but will only hear a 30-second clip, as opposed to the "3 full listens" limit that the device-to-device sharing permits. Zune Cards can be embedded on other social networks, where they will continue to show up-to-date information. The Zune community will also host Last.FM-style charts that show which artists, tracks, and albums are getting the most play.

The Zune software will get a design refresh, which Microsoft says will make it easier to rip, burn, sync, and create playlists from your music. One major addition is the ability to watch video recorded from television using Windows Media Center, but only if you've upgraded to Vista. It'd be nice if Apple would do the same for its portable media players, but for now, Apple still encourages people to purchase shows they're already paying their cable company for.

Zune Marketplace will see the addition of a DRM-free MP3 of about 1 million tracks, out of the over 3 million the store sells. According to Zune's marketing director, Microsoft refused to add watermarks to these unprotected MP3 files, although some labels had apparently asked that they be used. Genres will be expanded from 9 to 17, plus additional subgenres. A folk music expert I know says he's been employed by Zune to flesh out their folk section, and I've heard other data that indicates Microsoft is serious about incorporating lots of musical expertise into the store.

On the marketing side of things, labels, artists, and advertisers will be able to reach potential customers across the company's Zune, XBox, and MSN platforms. Maximo Park, Ryan Adams, Talib Kweli and Band of Horses have already taken advantage of this chance to "maximize... exposure for artists by engaging consumers with interesting content and reaching them frequently over a month-long period, giving them multiple opportunities to listen to, watch or read about the artist across Microsoft’s online platforms." The company also plans to market Zune to a Latino audience.

Zune's "On the Road" campaign will continue to put together live shows in a way that goes beyond traditional artist and tour sponsorship models to integrate with artists’ brands in authentic ways." The Chemical Brothers, LCD Soundsystem, MIMS, Ladytron, Great Northern, Mala Rodriguez, In this Moment, VHS or Beta, and CSS have already participated.

Microsoft has a long battle ahead, in competing with iTunes, music blogs, and all of the other ways that people experience music these days. But judging from these plans, the company isn't anywhere near giving up.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 13, 2007, 7:41 pm

BTW, there's noting wrong with the latest Creative Zen offerings although I wish they'd be more aggressive and also offer better supporting software.

Microsoft is being more active in it's online store/podcast efforts this round which is what it will take to pull some people away from Apple's buggy iTunes. They also are going to integrate all of this well with the Xbox Live marketplace and their eventual IPTV offerings.

http://www.zune.net/en-us/products/zune ... efault.htm

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 13, 2007, 8:19 pm

Microsoft also isn't forgetting about its original Zune owners:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/13/zune ... tion-zune/

That's better upgrade support than Apple offers. Apple is all about grabbing as much money as it can out of you for new hardware.

For Neost!

OK, I'm done on this topic for awhile.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 14, 2007, 12:18 am

It has nothing to do with the number or type of headphones used.

I'm making a few points on this thread:

1. Different people buy products for different reasons.

2. If you're claiming audio quality is critical to you, but you're using any codec other than a lossless one, you're not 'people who know'.

3. Because different reasons for buying things exist, your needs != my needs.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 14, 2007, 2:17 pm

I wish iTunes had more cover art available. Right now, I have a lot more blank album covers on the iPod than I have in WMP or the Zune software.

I tell you, Blank album covers make the coverflow look like ass.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » November 14, 2007, 2:29 pm

Animalor wrote:I wish iTunes had more cover art available. Right now, I have a lot more blank album covers on the iPod than I have in WMP or the Zune software.

I tell you, Blank album covers make the coverflow look like ass.

select the album in itunes, and drag in any picture you want to the art box. images.google.com is great.
i went through all mine in a couple hours..

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 14, 2007, 2:52 pm

Fash wrote:
Animalor wrote:I wish iTunes had more cover art available. Right now, I have a lot more blank album covers on the iPod than I have in WMP or the Zune software.

I tell you, Blank album covers make the coverflow look like ass.
select the album in itunes, and drag in any picture you want to the art box. images.google.com is great.
i went through all mine in a couple hours..

Really? Sweet!! Thanks a ton.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 14, 2007, 6:52 pm

I did the same thing with Amazon.com. For almost all albums, you can click on them and get a nice expanded view that looks great in coverflow.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 14, 2007, 7:15 pm

Speaking of nice skins, I might get this one I saw on Gizmodo for my nano:

Link if pic didn't work:

https://www.gelaskins.com/skins.php?Dev ... ctCode=257

Has skins for most Apple producst including Mac Books:

http://www.gelaskins.com/index.php

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » November 14, 2007, 8:21 pm

Do they have one for the keyboard??

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 14, 2007, 8:49 pm

A large ziplock bag works for that!

Post by **pyrella** » November 15, 2007, 6:44 am

Fash wrote:I've got no complaints about the ipod sound quality, when using $99 bose triport ie's

I have 500$ Shure e5c's that make it painfully clear how deficient the sound is. The zen is truly zen like.....the touch....well I'm glad I was able to hack it and use it as a portable wireless device =p

While with the newer ipods they have upgraded the DAC itself, they still have a shoddy connection to the headphone jack. A coworker let me use the line out cable + portable amplifier he uses for his nano (pre fatty) - and the sound quality is *amazing*. I just can't justify spending the ~$300 to have to carry an extra cable/device to get decent sound out of it.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 15, 2007, 1:42 pm

pyrella wrote: I have 500$ Shure e5c's that make it painfully clear how deficient the sound is. The zen is truly zen like.....the touch....well I'm glad I was able to hack it and use it as a portable wireless device =p

Apple products have always been like that. They present a flashy look and even have a nice UI, but where it counts, they drop the ball. I almost wish they'd buy Creative so their products would have decent sound.

It's no contest between my Zen and iPod(s) for audio quality. Again, it probably doesn't matter if you use the piece of shit earbuds that come with the iPod (or even other brand players), but you spend more than $10.00 on a third party set of earphone or headphones, it makes a difference even to the the casual listener. Quality of MP3 matters as well. Doesn't HAVE to be lossless to make a difference. 128 sounds like crap on any player compared to 256/360, etc.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 15, 2007, 4:11 pm

BTW, I just bought the 16GB iPod Touch

What's the best website to jailbreak this at Fash or Py?

I played around with it at Fry's today and decided that it might make a good eBook reader. Top priority is getting a nice skin/case for it to protect the screen.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » November 15, 2007, 4:13 pm

Also Fash, is there an easy way to unjailbreak my touch so i can update with itunes?

Fash · Post by **Fash** » November 15, 2007, 4:20 pm

Ooh, a two-fer.

Winnow, jailbreak 1.1.1 by going here: http://www.jailbreakme.com
IMO, The screen doesn't need protecting, it's optical quality glass... you don't put a skin on your glasses, do you?
The gelaskin for the back would be cool, but will only make it bigger. I don't care how scratchy the back gets.

and Aardor, you don't need to un-jailbreak to update with itunes, however if you have firmware 1.1.1, and are looking to upgrade to 1.1.2, follow this: http://www.touchdev.net/wiki/Jailbreak_1.1.2

you're installing something from your jailbroken 1.1.1, then upgrading to 1.1.2 (which auto-unjailbreaks and fixes the tiff exploit), and then jailbreaking again.

any questions?

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 15, 2007, 4:29 pm

Fash wrote:Ooh, a two-fer.

Winnow, jailbreak 1.1.1 by going here: http://www.jailbreakme.com
IMO, The screen doesn't need protecting, it's optical quality glass... you don't put a skin on your glasses, do you?
The gelaskin for the back would be cool, but will only make it bigger. I don't care how scratchy the back gets.

Do you think I have 1.1.1 having bought it today Fash? I haven't opened the box yet as I'm at work. I'm betting it's 1.1.1 but just in case.

Also, is this the best site for grabbing apps for the Touch?

http://iphoneapplicationlist.com/

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » November 15, 2007, 4:34 pm

Thanks Fash! I dunno though, this FAQ doesn't have me using a hex editor, do you have a version with one? I don't get to use those enough anymore! (joke!)

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » November 15, 2007, 4:35 pm

Winnow wrote:
Fash wrote:Ooh, a two-fer.

Winnow, jailbreak 1.1.1 by going here: http://www.jailbreakme.com
IMO, The screen doesn't need protecting, it's optical quality glass... you don't put a skin on your glasses, do you?
The gelaskin for the back would be cool, but will only make it bigger. I don't care how scratchy the back gets.
Do you think I have 1.1.1 having bought it today Fash? I haven't opened the box yet as I'm at work. I'm betting it's 1.1.1 but just in case.

Also, is this the best site for grabbing apps for the Touch?

http://iphoneapplicationlist.com/

Actually winnow, the jailbreak installs an app called Installer, which connects to a site with all the apps, and download/installs them automatically on the touch, with a sweet interface!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 15, 2007, 4:41 pm

Aardor wrote:
Actually winnow, the jailbreak installs an app called Installer, which connects to a site with all the apps, and download/installs them automatically on the touch, with a sweet interface!

The site I linked looks like you access it from your iTouch and then jsut follow the links to install the apps. (after you initially break the iTouch)

Fash · Post by **Fash** » November 15, 2007, 4:47 pm

yeah you don't need that, most of the stuff on that site appears to be web-based..
when you jailbreak with the site i gave you, you get a native app... it offers installs, updates, and uninstalls all neatly packaged.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 15, 2007, 4:55 pm

Fash wrote:yeah you don't need that, most of the stuff on that site appears to be web-based..
when you jailbreak with the site i gave you, you get a native app... it offers installs, updates, and uninstalls all neatly packaged.

So it installs as a package with all the possible apps you can have? I don't unsterstand. How to you get more? Wait for another full package release?

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » November 15, 2007, 4:59 pm

Winnow wrote:
Fash wrote:yeah you don't need that, most of the stuff on that site appears to be web-based..
when you jailbreak with the site i gave you, you get a native app... it offers installs, updates, and uninstalls all neatly packaged.
So it installs as a package with all the possible apps you can have? I don't unsterstand. How to you get more? Wait for another full package release?

It installs an app that allows you to get all of the apps on that site, the app installs, update, and uninstalls all the apps on that site without any work other than clicking a button to tell it to do so. It doesn't install any apps but Installer.app as far as i know, but that can get you all the apps. I think that answered your question.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » November 15, 2007, 5:05 pm

Yeah, use Jailbreakme.com to basically "install the installer." You can use that app to view new releases, releases by contributor/site, instantly see updated apps, view by type (ebook, navigation, dictionary, games, etc.), uninstall apps, and more. It also links to sites to get more information on each of the files as well as the sites which release the new apps if you want to keep up-to-date on changes taking place. I am pretty sure that this installer had actually fixed the tiff exploit before 1.1.2 as well. It is insanely easy to do.

restoring is/was easy (prior to 1.1.2, haven't tried with that)...just choose Restore in iTunes, and everything gets reset back to what it was before (also removes all content such as videos/podcasts/etc.)

Fash · Post by **Fash** » November 15, 2007, 5:07 pm

Winnow wrote:
Fash wrote:yeah you don't need that, most of the stuff on that site appears to be web-based..
when you jailbreak with the site i gave you, you get a native app... it offers installs, updates, and uninstalls all neatly packaged.
So it installs as a package with all the possible apps you can have? I don't unsterstand. How to you get more? Wait for another full package release?

it's a wifi app.. there are 'sources' of packages, and you can choose anything.. it will download it and install it for you.

summerboard is a must (it allows for multiple pages of applications instead of just the one screen) and there are a shitload of themes... i have 3 full pages of apps on my ipod.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 15, 2007, 5:14 pm

Nice.

Looking forward to playing around with that tonight.

Maybe someday someone will come up with an app to play DivX movies on the Touch. That would really be nice.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » November 15, 2007, 5:19 pm

Winnow wrote:Nice.

Looking forward to playing around with that tonight.

Maybe someday someone will come up with an app to play DivX movies on the Touch. That would really be nice.

Would be nice if the 360 could play them too!, but I hear that's happening soon!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 15, 2007, 5:33 pm

Aardor wrote:
Winnow wrote:Nice.

Looking forward to playing around with that tonight.

Maybe someday someone will come up with an app to play DivX movies on the Touch. That would really be nice.
Would be nice if the 360 could play them too!, but I hear that's happening soon!

Both the PS3 and 360 should be getting Divx support soon. The PS3 first I think and the 360 with the next major dashboard update.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 15, 2007, 5:41 pm

Just so I don't do anything stupid tonight:

1. Do I need to hook this up to iTunes before doing the Jailbreak? I'll need to setup the wireless part with my router.

2. Will iTunes ask me is I wish to upgrade to 1.1.2 and not upgrade it automatically?

I just don't want to accidentally upgrade it to 1.1.2 before breaking it. I know 1.1.2 is already broken so it's no critical.

Also, Fry's had a ton of iPhone cases and skins but only one iTouch case. The sales guy said that iPhone cases should work with the Touch but I know the Touch is a little smaller. Anyone using an Iphone case with their Touch?

Fash · Post by **Fash** » November 15, 2007, 6:20 pm

you don't need to hook it up first... you should be able to get your wifi up and running from the settings app and jailbreak it first.

but, itunes won't auto upgrade, either... so there's no harm in hooking it up first.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 15, 2007, 6:26 pm

Fash wrote:you don't need to hook it up first... you should be able to get your wifi up and running from the settings app and jailbreak it first.

but, itunes won't auto upgrade, either... so there's no harm in hooking it up first.

Thanks, I'll stop asking the stupid questions once I actually break open the package and start using it : )

What did you choose as a case/skin for your iTouch? (and everyone else that has one. Just curious if you're happy with your case/skins)

Fash · Post by **Fash** » November 15, 2007, 6:28 pm

i let it all hang out. i don't care what the back looks like.. it's shiny metal, yes its already got 8 million scratchy swirlmarks on it, but i don't care. i'm totally not worried about the screen, it's not going to scratch. no case, no skin, no protection.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » November 15, 2007, 6:29 pm

Winnow wrote:
Fash wrote:you don't need to hook it up first... you should be able to get your wifi up and running from the settings app and jailbreak it first.

but, itunes won't auto upgrade, either... so there's no harm in hooking it up first.
Thanks, I'll stop asking the stupid questions once I actually break open the package and start using it : )

What did you choose as a case/skin for your iTouch? (and everyone else that has one. Just curious if you're happy with your case/skins)

I don't use one (they can't cover the screen anyway, right?, so like a flip cover would be there?)..but if anyone knows a good mount in a car for the iphone/touch, let me know! There is this sweet thing that i can hook into the cd changer port on my car, and it'll plug directly into the ipod (for better sound quality!), and it will read the ID3 tags, and display them on my OEM headunit, just need to find a mount that will allow me to use coverflow a bit.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 15, 2007, 6:52 pm

You can use a cover on your iTouch screen.

I have a skin for the Zen, but haven't used one for either Nano although I take care of them well. I use the back of the Fatty Nano to check for boogers. It has little scratches but the screen has none.

Since I'll be wiping the Touch screen clean often (having to touch it all the time), I figured it might be a good idea to get a cover for it so I'm not directly wiping the screen and accidentally scratching it.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » November 15, 2007, 8:13 pm

i highly doubt you can accidentally scratch it while cleaning it. and i hate the look of those stupid clingy protectors. just use and enjoy the damn thing.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 15, 2007, 9:06 pm

Fash wrote:i highly doubt you can accidentally scratch it while cleaning it. and i hate the look of those stupid clingy protectors. just use and enjoy the damn thing.

Screw that! Have you seen the Otter Water-proof iTouch case?

http://www.otterbox.com/products/ipod_c ... se-level3/

Take your Touch in the shower with you! Or while Scuba Diving!

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » June 13, 2008, 3:19 pm

In the spirit of bumping old threads...

Zunes launched in Canada today so I wnet and picked myself up a Zune 4 (My 8gb Nano has made me realise that I don't hoard portable content, I digest and delete) and I couldn't be happier.

I much prefer the "squircle" over the iPod click wheel (personal preference here). I'm still forming an opinion of the Zune software but up till now I like it. My Social area is also already pre-populated with all my xbox 360 friends list, which I thought was all sorts of awesome.

Sadly the marketplace isn't live yet so I have to subscribe to all my podcasts manually. No big deal that one however.

Looking forward to testing the wireless sync option when I get hmoe this evening.

My wife is happy to indulge me with this for father's day cause it means she gets to inherit the 8gb Nano. Everyone's happy.