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Pherr the Dorf wrote:On another note, that 144-135 Warrior loss with no OT was the craziest shit most noone saw, fucking nellie ball is fun to watch
Yeah, some of these games that aren't nationally televised deserved to be replayed. Maybe they do that on NBA TV, I'm not sure. I think they replayed the Suns/Nets game on FoxAZ.

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Here's an article from SI about Nash and a possible 3rd MVP.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/w ... index.html

Nice quote from Scott Skiles about Steve Nash:
"He's the best basketball player on the face of the Earth," Bulls coach Scott Skiles said. "I don't even think it's close."
I'm not sure about a third MVP. I think if a team with a good record has a player step up (Dirk or Gilbert Arenas who just nailed another game winning shot last night, etc), they will probably take the award this year. Nash's numbers are sick again this year (20.6 pts, 11.3 assists) and he's had some monster individual games, but the last few games he's missed some free throws and three pointers. His free throw percentage is under 90% atm. Amare is also huge this year so that's helping Nash out.

I'm just happy I get to watch all of his games along with the rest of the Suns for pure entertainment. The ooohs and aaaahs from the visiting crowds are great to hear. People are being entertained. On top of that, The Suns tend to allow an individual player on the opposing team to get their career high scores even though they end up losing so it's another crowd pleasing thing for fans.
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Pherr the Dorf wrote:On another note, that 144-135 Warrior loss with no OT was the craziest shit most noone saw, fucking nellie ball is fun to watch
Was he the Denver coach back in the run-and-gun days? I remember some seriously unreal scores back then.

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Cartalas wrote:
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Pherr the Dorf wrote:On another note, that 144-135 Warrior loss with no OT was the craziest shit most noone saw, fucking nellie ball is fun to watch
Was he the Denver coach back in the run-and-gun days? I remember some seriously unreal scores back then.

Sloan?
I looked back, and I think it was either late in Doug Moe's stint there, or during Paul Westhead's short time (90-92).
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Nellie = Don nelson... round 2 with the warriors with his Dallas stint in between. I feel bad for the guy, the injury problems have been horrific with 12 different players having started a game and 22 different starting lineups, it has been really amazing he has kept them at .500.
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Pherr the Dorf wrote:Nellie = Don nelson... round 2 with the warriors with his Dallas stint in between. I feel bad for the guy, the injury problems have been horrific with 12 different players having started a game and 22 different starting lineups, it has been really amazing he has kept them at .500.
Yeah, I knew who the Nellie-ball reference was about. He was coaching the Warriors during the time I was referencing the Nuggets. I mixed the two teams up since they both had some...scary...uniforms at the time :P
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Boogahz wrote:
Pherr the Dorf wrote:Nellie = Don nelson... round 2 with the warriors with his Dallas stint in between. I feel bad for the guy, the injury problems have been horrific with 12 different players having started a game and 22 different starting lineups, it has been really amazing he has kept them at .500.
Yeah, I knew who the Nellie-ball reference was about. He was coaching the Warriors during the time I was referencing the Nuggets. I mixed the two teams up since they both had some...scary...uniforms at the time :P
Ohh gawd, I had burned that part from my memory... damn you for reminding me!
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Speaking of the Warriors tonight:

Phoenix 128 Golden State 105 (Suns 25-8 )

Marion: 24 pts, 17 rbs, 3 stls, 3 blks, 3 asts

Not a bad stat line. Amare added 11 rbs to those 17.

The Suns are .5 away from overtaking the Spurs in point differential.

Top records in the NBA:

27-8 Dallas
25-8 Phoenix
24-10 Utah
24-11 San Antonio
23-11 Los Angeles
21-12 Cleveland <--- Go East!
21-13 Houston

Suns have longest winning streak in the NBA again at six. Nice run Dallas!

Winning Streaks this year in the NBA:

15 Suns
13 Dallas
12 Dallas
6 Suns (in progress)
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Cleveland @ Phoenix tonight on TNT

Must see NBA TV for those looking for an entertaining game.

Lebron and his 5 game winning streak vs the Suns and their 7 game streak.

Lebron should pump in at least 40 tonight.
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The Cavs have the best record in the East...but what does that mean when playing a Western Conference team?

Phoenix 109 Cleveland 90

The Cavs were down by 26 at half and trailed by 30+ most of the 3rd.

Nash 21 assists, 1 turnover (20 assists with 4 minutes left in the third)

Amare 17 pts, 13 rbs, 5 blocks

(check his game stats. At least I don't hear people saying Amare can't play D. He's pounding the boards and blocking like a madman)

Marion 19 pts, 11 rbs, 4 steals

Boris Diaw's assists over the past five games: 6, 7, 8, 7, 6*

Playing on the same team with the assist leader in the NBA (that would be Nash)

Phoenix had 36 assists as a team and their first 19 buckets were assisted until Raja Bell got his own missed shot and put it back in.

Winning Streaks this year in the NBA:

15 Suns
13 Dallas
12 Dallas
8 Suns (in progress)
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Winnow wrote:The Cavs have the best record in the East...but what does that mean when playing a Western Conference team?

Phoenix 109 Cleveland 90

The Cavs were down by 26 at half and trailed by 30+ most of the 3rd.

Nash 21 assists, 1 turnover (20 assists with 4 minutes left in the third)

Amare 17 pts, 13 rbs, 5 blocks

(check his game stats. At least I don't hear people saying Amare can't play D. He's pounding the boards and blocking like a madman)

Marion 19 pts, 11 rbs, 4 steals

Boris Diaw's assists over the past five games: 6, 7, 8, 7, 6*

Playing on the same team with the assist leader in the NBA (that would be Nash)

Phoenix had 36 assists as a team and their first 19 buckets were assisted until Raja Bell got his own missed shot and put it back in.

Winning Streaks this year in the NBA:

15 Suns
13 Dallas
12 Dallas

Total Domination

8 Suns (in progress)
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Nash was amazing last night.
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After beating the team with the "best" record in the East wo nights ago, the Suns played the team with the second best record in the East tonight:

Phoenix 107 Orlando 101 (Suns 28-8 ) (15-1 vs East)

Boris Diaw was one rebound away from a triple double:

19 pts, 9 rbs, 11 assists

The Matrix had 5 steals.

Other than that, business as usual!

Winning Streaks this year in the NBA:

15 Suns
13 Dallas
12 Dallas
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Phoenix 137 Memphis 122 (Suns 29-8 )

I love it when a team tries to run with the Suns. (point differential +15 in this game)

Amare 42 pts, 9 rbs (he's better than before the knee surgeries)

Nash 12 pts, 15 assists

Diaw 9 pts 10 assists (1 blk 1 stl) Can a team have two players average 10 assists in the same season?

Boris assist watch: 6, 7, 8, 7, 6, 11, 10

Marion 13 rbs, 4 stls

Suns haven't lost in 2007.

Winning Streaks this year in the NBA:

15 Suns
13 Dallas
12 Dallas
10 Suns (in progress)
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Phoenix 100 Houston 91 (Suns 30-8 )

Phoenix trailed by 15 points early in the second quarter but were up by a point in like three minutes later. It was ridiculous. The Suns hit 17 three's. They were a little off early in the game which resulted in the 15 point deficit.

Anywho, that's win 11 of the streak.

How's the 2X MVP doing these days:

Nash 21 pts, 14 assists, 8-10, 80% shooting percentage.

How are those knees holding up for Amare:

Amare: 22 pts, 11 rbs, 3 blocks

Add another 14 rbs for Marion and it's a wrap!

Winning Streaks this year in the NBA:

15 Suns
13 Dallas
12 Dallas
11 Suns (in progress)

BTW, a day or two ago, Dallas had already secured the second best current winning streak in the league again. They're sitting alone in 2nd with 5 wins atm.

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I am a big fan of Bill Simmons, and I really enjoyed this article on the suns:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ll_simmons
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Aardor wrote:I am a big fan of Bill Simmons, and I really enjoyed this article on the suns:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ll_simmons
Yeah, it's a huge article so I didn't want to quote it but what the hell:
Thank You For The Suns

By Bill Simmons
Page 2

I watch all of their games. I rewind plays to see what they're doing and how they're doing it. I learn about basketball from them. I revel in their splendidry, and I don't even think splendidry is a word. They're the most consistently entertaining basketball team in 20 years. They have a chance to be historically good. You could be bouncing your grandkids on your lap someday and telling them that you watched the 2007 Suns.

Naturally, nobody's talking about them. Everyone's tired of hearing about Nash at this point, and since they don't have the best record in the league, there isn't any urgency to make a fuss about them. But if you care about basketball at all, if the sport has ever meant anything to you, if you remember the Magic-Bird Era fondly in any way, if you're remotely interested in watching a professional sports team peak ... then you need to follow the Suns. They're sniffing at true greatness. I'm not saying it will happen, just that it could. You never imagined that an NBA team could score 111 points a game, shoot 51 percent from the field, shoot 81 percent from the line, make 40 percent of its 3s, double as the best transition team since the Showtime Lakers and still manage to be half-decent defensively, right?

Well, it's happening. And it's an exceedingly relevant development for two reasons:

1. We're in a weird time in sports right now. There isn't a dominant football, baseball, basketball or hockey player. There isn't a dominant boxer. Our two transcendent athletes are a tennis player (Roger Federer) and a golfer (Tiger Woods). We haven't seen a dominant team since the Patriots rolled off 31 of 33 victories during their last two Super Bowl seasons ... and as much I loved that team, there was never a point where you could have definitively said, "That team is playing on a higher plane than everyone else." Ever since MJ retired (the second time) and the Yankees got old, there's been a greatness drought with team sports.

2. The last great basketball teams were the Lakers and Celtics from the mid-'80s. Both were blessed with selfless superduperstars (Bird and Magic), genuine Hall of Famers (McHale and Parish for Boston; Worthy and Kareem for the Lakers) and valuable role players (DJ, Ainge and Walton for Boston; Cooper, Scott and Green for the Lakers). And both teams reached heights that haven't been approached since. They were the last two teams that dominated in a competitive league and routinely submitted those occasional "not only are we winning this game by 25 points, just send the tape to Springfield after it's over" games.

In a related story, the Suns are 26-2 in their last 28 games. Here were their two losses:

Dec. 22: They lose to the Wizards in OT (144-139) in a game that Arenas tied with a 3-point play in regulation, then Nash missed a wide-open 3 that could have ended it.

Dec. 28: They lose in Dallas by two (101-99) when Nowitzki made a jumper with 0.1 seconds left.

With two reasonable breaks (Nash making the 3-pointer, Nowitzki missing the jumper), the Suns could be working on a 28-game winning streak right now. I've mentioned that to three people over the last 48 hours and all of them said the same thing: "Wait a second ... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????"

It's true. You can look it up.

I didn't see this one coming. When the Suns were limping along to a 1-5 mark in early November, I wrote that Amare Stoudemire's up-and-down comeback was screwing them up. Seeing them in person against the Clippers that week, they looked about as happy as the family from "Little Miss Sunshine." How can you not have fun when you're playing with Steve Nash???? It's almost un-American. Umm, un-North American.

Just when things were looking bleak enough that a major trade seemed possible, four things happened that turned Phoenix's season around. First, the Suns stopped bringing Stoudemire off the bench, started him at center and rolled the dice with his "sore" knee. And guess what? He stopped sulking and started busting his butt on both ends. (Note: Stoudemire even admitted as much in Jack McCallum's story in Sports Illustrated a few weeks ago.) Second, they won a memorable triple-OT game in Jersey that kicked them into another gear. Every season has a defining game that gets a great team going -- for the '86 Celtics, it was the Christmas Day game when they blew a 25-point lead to the Knicks on national TV, spent two days sulking about it, then went on the NBA version of a cross-country killing spree (winning 20 of their next 22, including both Lakers games). The 161-157 game did that for the Suns. Third, Mike D'Antoni buried Marcus Banks (an indefensibly bad free-agent signing) and made Barbosa the backup point, which enabled the Suns to play quality guards at all times. And fourth, Diaw and Marion conceded the high post (and all those high screens with Nash) to Stoudemire and figured out other ways to get their stats.

If there's a potential land mine, it's the Marion-Stoudemire rivalry, an ongoing problem (as McCallum described in his book about the Suns) because of Stoudemire's enormous ego and Marion's insecurities about his underappreciated career (even though his talents are indisputably essential to everything the Suns do). If this were a rock band, Marion would be the drummer -- the guy who's killing himself every night and resigning himself to a couple of solos per concert. In fact, one of the reasons I couldn't endorse Nash's previous MVP candidacies was because no Phoenix star could be more "valuable" than any other Phoenix star; such a premise belittled the contributions of Stoudemire two years ago and Marion last season. Without Marion, the Suns wouldn't be the Suns.

STATS DON'T LIE
According to STATS INC, the Suns rank in the top-3 in the following offensive categories:

Field Goals made (1st)
Three-pointers made (1st)
Free throw percentage (1st)
True shooting percentage (1st)
Two-point field goal percentage (1st)
Three-point percentage (2nd)
Assists (1st)
Assists/turnover ratio (1st)
Points per game (1st)
Fast break points (3rd)

Anyway, the Stoudemire-Marion issue could have killed this team -- hell, it still might -- but something funny happened while they were sorting everything out: Phoenix couldn't stop winning. After the 3-6 start, the Suns won an astonishing 15 straight, dropped two of three, then won another 10 straight (and counting). Once they started rolling over everybody, Marion accepted his new role as the drummer. For now. Let's see how he feels in five months. But as long as he's happy, Phoenix's top six players surpass anything we've seen since Magic-Kareem-Worthy-Cooper-Scott-Thompson/Green or Bird-Parish-McHale-Johnson-Ainge-Walton. Just look at these guys. It's insane.

Barbosa: He'd be the best guard on more than half the teams in the league right now ... unstoppable off the dribble and a first-team member of the Streak Scorer All-Stars ... learned to run the offense just competently enough that they could bury Banks ... they'll even run plays for him in crunch time (like the 3 that beat the Bulls) ... I think he's one of the best 40 players in the league, a slightly more efficient version of Ben Gordon ... by the way, he's their sixth man.

Diaw: Killed them in the first few weeks by showing up out of shape, now he's fine ... plays three positions and guards the best opposing low-post player, doubles as the second-best passer on the team (5.5 assists a game!), doesn't care about shots, moved to the wing for Stoudemire's sake and remained just as effective ... one of the most underrated back-to-the-basket guys in either conference, although the Suns rarely go to him in the low post ... also one of the only people I've ever liked from France ... shooting an eye-opening 54 percent this season ... I think he's one of the best 45-50 players in the league ... somewhere, Steve Belkin is reading this and saying to himself, "See, I told you Diaw and two No. 1s was too much!"

Bell: Doesn't care about shots, nails open 3s (42 percent) and covers the best opposing scorer every game (although his defense is slightly overrated -- quicker guys like Gordon give him problems) ... he's also their fiercest competitor ... if they don't need his defense in crunch time, they'll play Barbosa over him and he won't complain about it ... I once wrote that he played like Bruce Bowen after four drinks -- I'd like to revise that to "Bowen after two shots of tequila and a slap to the face" ... and if that's not enough, he clearly aggravates Kobe, which counts for something.

Marion: If you had to pick one forward in the NBA to run the floor with Nash, this would be the guy ... as long as he's happy, playing hard and feeling even mildly appreciated, the 2007 Suns are unstoppable ... I think he's one of the best 20 players in the league ... by the way, did you ever think that Shawn Marion would go down as the greatest UNLV player in NBA history?

Stoudemire: I'd say he's about 87 percent back, which makes him the second-best center alive (behind Yao and tied with Dwight Howard) and a top-20 player ... totally attuned with Nash on those pick-and-rolls ... improved his team defense and became an asset as a shot-blocker ... averaging a 20-10 over the past six weeks and starting to show "force of nature" signs again ... living proof that you CAN come back from microfracture surgery (although I still wouldn't recommend it).

Nash: I wouldn't have voted him MVP the past two years (when he did win), but I'd absolutely vote for him this year (when he won't win because nobody's prepared for a world where Steve Nash is a three-time NBA MVP). Here's the case for Nash in three parts:

A. When the Suns were threatening to implode early in the season, by all accounts, he kept them together almost singlehandedly (on and off the court). There isn't a more authentic leader in the league. He's the anti-Zach Randolph.

B. The more he plays with the same teammates, the better he gets. Now he's starting to resemble Gretzky during his Edmonton days -- not only does he keep finding guys for layups, dunks and wide-open 3s, he's finding them at consistently impossible angles. I have never, ever, EVER seen anyone run the point guard position like this on a day-to-day basis. Not even Magic and Isiah. If we ever kept track of assists that directly created a layup or dunk for a teammate, he'd be heading toward an all-time record.

C. Two months ago, I joked that Deron Williams looked like he went to John Stockton Summer Camp ... then it turned out that he actually DID spend the summer being tutored by Stockton. Now I'm wondering if Nash went as well. He rarely smiles and he barks at the refs more than he ever did. He gets testy with opposing players and teammates. Just like Stockton, he sets moving picks and trips defenders coming off screens (most famously to set up Barbosa's 3 that won the Chicago game). I don't want to say he's going to the dark side like Danny LaRusso during the Terry Silva Era, but there's definitely a nasty edge to his game that I can't remember seeing before.

Here's what happened: When Dallas eliminated Phoenix last spring, Nash probably spent a few weeks mulling over his career and everything that happened. He thought about the two MVP awards, realized he couldn't accomplish anything more other than winning a title, then thought long and hard about how to do it, ultimately cutting off his hair (feel the symbolism, baby!) and getting in the best shape of his life (remember, he wore down the last two springs). Then he showed up for training camp, realized the Marion-Stoudemire soap opera would be an ongoing problem, realized Diaw was woefully out of shape, realized Banks wasn't going to help at all ... and something snapped inside him. Exit, nice Steve Nash. Enter, icy Steve Nash. And he's been playing pissed off ever since. Eventually, everyone else fell in line.

Well, guess what? THAT'S AN MVP! That's what I'm looking for! Finally!

It's been a virtuoso season for him. Borrowing the same tactic that once worked so well for Magic, Isiah and Stockton, Nash uses the first 40-42 minutes to get everyone else going, then takes over in crunch time and looks for his own offense if the Suns need it. Sometimes he'll defer to a scorching-hot Barbosa, sometimes he'll feed Amare on those high screens, sometimes he'll post Diaw if there's a mismatch to be exploited, sometimes he'll slash-and-kick to Bell or Marion, but if he can get his own shot, and it's a good one, he's taking it. Over anything else, that subtle change in Nash's mind-set -- basically, a complete refusal to accept anything less than a championship, even if it means some occasional selfishness -- kicked this Phoenix team into another gear. Remember when Nash scored 48 in the playoff loss to Dallas two years ago? He was horrified and even a little embarrassed afterward, right?

Now, he'd probably be pissed that he didn't get 50.

That's the biggest difference between the 2006 Suns and the 2007 Suns, with Nash's haircut symbolizing everything -- they play with a chip on their shoulder. They want to run teams off the floor. They want to break their will. For instance, Cleveland came to Phoenix last Thursday for a nationally televised game, and since the Cavs had been playing well and showing signs of running away with the East, it looked like a good test for the cruising Suns. Instead, it turned into a nonstop layup line. By the end of the first half, Phoenix was winning by 26. And I learned three things from that game:

1. The Suns dismantled Cleveland effortlessly, like they were plucking wings off a butterfly or something. I don't even think they shifted past third gear the entire game. That was truly scary -- not for me but for everyone else in the league.

2. The Cavs were demolished to the degree that they can't be taken seriously for the rest of the season. This game was more one-sided than the Awvee Storey-Martynas Andriuskevicius fight.

3. There was one moment when everything kicked into a higher gear for the Suns and they started rolling off easy basket after easy basket -- really, it was breathtaking to watch -- and eventually, their fans stood up and just kept cheering and cheering, even during a break in the action, just to profusely thank the players for what was happening. And I was sitting on my sofa thinking, "During the Bird Era, this happened ALL THE TIME. They'd get it going, great things would happen, and we'd stand up and cheer and cheer because we couldn't think of another way to adequately express how fortunate we were other than to just start throwing money on the court. And now, it's happening in Phoenix and I'm jealous as hell."

Which brings me to my main point ...

It's nearly impossible to compare players and teams from different eras because the game continues to evolve in ways that nobody ever imagined. Tuesday night, I watched a triple-OT game between Texas and Oklahoma State where a 6-foot-11, 190-pound forward (the outrageously talented Durant, my current basketball obsession other than the Suns) scored 37 points on an eclectic mix of 25-footers, spin moves, jump hooks and drives to either side. He did everything facing the basket. He looked like a 6-foot-11 Tracy McGrady. Trust me when I tell you this: We've never seen anyone remotely resembling Kevin Durant on a basketball court before. If you stuck him in a time machine and transported him back to the Russell-Chamberlain Era, he'd probably average 55 points a game. Just the mere thought of his putting on a Celtics jersey makes me want to start sobbing with joy.

Anyway, because the game keeps evolving and improving, you can only compare the impact of players and teams relative to the time in which they played. Would the '86 Celtics have beaten the '96 Bulls in a seven-game series? Too difficult to say. For instance, Pippen would have guarded Bird in that series, and there wasn't anyone remotely resembling Scottie Pippen in 1986. So how could you know? Compare their relative impacts and it's a different story. The '86 Celtics were greater than the '96 Bulls because they excelled against tougher competition, they were invincible at home (50-1 at home if you include playoff games) and their top-six was better than Chicago's top-six. You will never convince me otherwise. But the one thing that separated those mid-'80s Celtics and Lakers teams from everyone after them was that sixth gear: You never knew when they would throw together one of those four-minute stretches, turn the game into a layup line and blow somebody off the court.

(In fact, that Celtics team was so loaded that they screwed around during games, almost like musicians jamming near the end of a song. During a recent NBA TV interview with Bird for the Legend's 50th birthday, Bill Walton and Bird reminisced about the time Bird set goals for their West Coast trip, decided he would average 42 points a game for the trip, then got bored midway through and decided to shoot all left-handed shots in Portland. And he did just that. This actually happened.)

Now the Suns are approaching that hallowed level and I never thought we'd see something like that again -- not with 30 teams, not with a salary cap, not with the lottery system, not when teams are so much smarter about not giving away future lottery picks for the likes of Don Ford and Gerald Henderson. If the Suns stay healthy, they should win 67-70 games and nobody should touch them in the playoffs except for Dallas, the one contender that can dictate a specific tempo and force its opponents to abide by it. Still, I can't imagine the Suns blowing a seven-game series -- not with their style of play (impossible to stop), not with the way they shoot free throws (everyone in the top six is over 80 percent except for Diaw), not with everyone they can throw at Nowitzki, not with Nash's new and improved killer instinct. Even their team defense has improved to the point that Barkley doesn't dismiss them anymore. They're a juggernaut with a terrific coach and no real holes other than a thin bench.

Of course, the Suns can guarantee immortality with one move: Thanks to the Diaw-Johnson trade, they own Atlanta's 2007 No. 1 pick unless it falls in the top three. Say they packaged that pick with Kurt Thomas' expiring contract and/or Banks' contract for one more blue-chipper. What would happen if they added Rashard Lewis or Mike Miller, gave one of them James Jones' minutes (20-25 a game), then went seven-deep the rest of the way? Starting Nash, Stoudemire, Diaw, Bell and Marion, with Miller/Lewis and Barbosa coming off the bench, nobody would play more than 38 minutes or less than 25, and there wouldn't be a bad shooter or a bad all-around player in the bunch. Five of the seven players would be shooting over 40 percent from 3-pointers. They could go small, they could go big, they could play fast or slow, they could do anything they wanted. They'd be the Dirk Diggler of NBA teams.

Look, my NBA life is in complete shambles. My beloved Celtics might be the worst team in the league and I spend far too much time thinking about an 18-year-old kid in Austin who could save them some day. The Clippers are playing such uninspired, mediocre basketball that it's not even fun to attend their games, even as an unbiased observer. My favorite commissioner has endured some rare misfires and was recently pulled over for being drunk with power. The whole season has been a disaster. Other than Gilbert Arenas screaming "Hibachi!" and Isiah making one last boneheaded trade, all I have to look forward until next June's draft are the Suns and their quest for greatness.

So for my sake, make one more move, Phoenix. You owe it to Nash, you owe it to D'Antoni and the Suns fans, you owe it to me, and you owe it to every other diehard basketball fan who loves this game and never imagined we would see another invincible team. All 19 of us.

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Phoenix 106 Portland 101 (Suns 31-8 )

Winning Streaks this year in the NBA:

15 Suns
13 Dallas
12 Dallas
12 Suns (in progress)


We've all seen this:
STATS DON'T LIE
According to STATS INC, the Suns rank in the top-3 in the following offensive categories:

Field Goals made (1st)
Three-pointers made (1st)
Free throw percentage (1st)
True shooting percentage (1st)
Two-point field goal percentage (1st)
Three-point percentage (2nd)
Assists (1st)
Assists/turnover ratio (1st)
Points per game (1st)
Fast break points (3rd)
..but on top of that, the Suns just passed San Antonio for 1st place in point differential as well at 8.4. The Spurs at 8.1 and Dallas at 7.1 are the only other teams anywhere near them.

Oh yeah, Zach Randolph of Portland scored a season-high 36 tonight. You can almost count on the other team's main player scoring a season high and losing. Great entertainment for the fans. Gilber Arenas is the only player to go off and beat the Suns...that was the double OT game where the Suns arrived back from being Snowed in in Denver just hours before the game...which they would have crushed Denver without Carmelo or AI in if it was played to extend their first streak to 16.

If the Suns make it by Minnesota at home Sunday for win 13 in the streak, they have to go on the road and play the Washington Wizard who broke their 15 game streak and have also broken several of the longest streaks in NBA history. I'm sure both teams will be fired up for the rematch of the double OT game earlier this season.

01/21 MIN 8:00pm
01/23 @WAS 7:00pm

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Phoenix 131 Minnesota 102 (Phoenix 32-8 )

That should help out the league leading point differential eh?

Marion 17 pts, 20 rbs, 2 blks

Barbosa +20 off the bench in last three games

Now it's off to Washington to play the team that ended the last streak...and just about every significant streak in NBA history (they stopped the Bulls record streak too) It would be nice to pick up a win against the Wizards.

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13 Suns (in progress)
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Phoenix 127 Washington 105 (Suns 33-8 )

The Suns faced the dreaded "Phoenix Suns of the East" and the "best" *cough* record/team in the East.

Washington ended the Suns 15 game streak earlier this season in double OT...on with the stats!

How's this for a first quarter?

Suns 41
Wizards 20

Sheeeyah! 21 point lead after the first quarter.

Want more interesting stats? Lets look at a few Suns players and their assists tonight:

Nash 14 assists
Barbosa 11 assists
Diaw 7 assists

:!: holy crap.

Lots of stats to spank over but I'll go with MVSteve's stat line:

Nash 27 pts, 14 assists, 3 rbs 11-13 from the field (eleven for thirteen!!)

Just give Nash his third MVP.

So...14 wins...next up New York. Please don't bitch about the opponents the Suns are playing. They're 16-1 against the East and on a five game road trip (that 2OT Wizard loss the only one to the east). They can't just skip the east games so they have to count as full wins.

Winning Streaks this year in the NBA:

15 Suns
14 Suns (in progress)
13 Dallas
12 Dallas

(Dallas has 7 game winning streak in progress)

Suns 30 wins, 2 losses in last 32 games.

There's no defending the fade away jumper!
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Not bad for the 2nd best team in the NBA. :lol:
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Cartalas wrote:Not bad for the 2nd best team in the NBA. :lol:
Yeah, that's just crazy. Fucking Dallas is the best team right now and I won't get my hopes up unless the Suns do well against them head to head in their two remaining games.

After New York tonight, Milwaukee Friday and a Nationally televised game against Cleveland Sunday on ABC (1pm EST!), the Suns have to face the Spurs, Jazz and Nuggets so their streak will be tough to continue after this weekend.

Suns/Mavs games remaining this year:

Suns @ Mavs March 14th
Suns vs Mavs April 1st

Lets hope both teams stay healthy!
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There's a new Power Ranking system with daily updates to show which teams are hot:

According to this formula:
RATING = (((SOS-0.5)/0.037)*0.67) + (((SOSL10-0.5)/0.037)*0.33) + 100 + (0.67*(MARG+(((ROAD-HOME)*3.5)/(GAMES))) + (0.33*(MARGL10+(((ROAD10-HOME10)*3.5)/(10)))))

SOS = Season Win/Loss percentage of team's opponents, expressed as a decimal (e.g., .500)

SOSL10 = Season Win/Loss percentage of team's last 10 opponents, expressed as a decimal (e.g., .500)

MARG = Team's average scoring margin

MARGL10 = Team's average scoring margin over the last 10 games

HOME = Team's home games

HOMEL10 = Team's home games over the last 10 games

ROAD = Team's road games

ROADL10 = Team's road games over the last 10 games

GAMES = Team's total games
The Suns are the #1 team in the NBA right now.

Interesting page to visit. At minumum you can see a few stats!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerranking
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Bah One Power Poll has them at #1 Everyother one has Dallas

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Suns 112 Knicks 107 (Suns 34-8 )

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15 Suns (in progress)
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12 Dallas

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Marion and five Knicks:

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You do realize that the karma coming from this is why the Suns will not win a championship right? Same reason the Bengals will never win......their fans are such insufferable pricks when they win that the sports gods will never allow it to happen.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:You do realize that the karma coming from this is why the Suns will not win a championship right? Same reason the Bengals will never win......their fans are such insufferable pricks when they win that the sports gods will never allow it to happen.
Along the same lines as my philosophy was while playing EverQuest - it's the journey, not the destination! That might be less true in sports but I want to enjoy the ride because I know there could be an injury and also that Dallas is very capable of putting a stop to the Suns season in the playoffs.

The Suns are so damn fun to watch.
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WTF Nash didn't even get voted to the all star team?
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miir wrote:WTF Nash didn't even get voted to the all star team?
All Star voting is bogus. China votes for Yao Ming and all his teammates so you have some no name foward on Houston getting more votes than Marion, Josh Howard, Boozer, etc:
Forwards: Kevin Garnett (Minnesota) 785,865; Tim Duncan (San Antonio) 715,916; Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas) 684,620; Carmelo Anthony (Denver) 633,041; Shane Battier (Houston) 471,404; Lamar Odom (L.A. Lakers) 239,047; Shawn Marion (Phoenix) 230,155; Josh Howard (Dallas) 225,499; Carlos Boozer (Utah) 185,155; Pau Gasol (Memphis) 157,239.
You'll probably see three Phoenix Suns on the all star team, Nash, Amare and Marion but they'll all need to be selected by the coaches.

Amare schools Yao Ming every time they match up but Amare will only be starting because Yao is hurt.

Shane Battier 10.4 ppg, 4.4 rb, 2.5 assists, .08 blks, 1.2 stls, .448 FG, .770 FT%
Shawn Marion 18.9 ppg, 9.8 rb, 1.7 assists, 1.4 blks, 2.1 stls, .524 FG, .843 FT%

Hmmm
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2nd half predictions. ESPN analysts are pretty much splpit even between the Suns and Mavericks:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... -midseason

A lot more if you follow link but here's the Phx/Dal info:
Question 2.

Which team looks like the best bet to win the West?


Anthony: I still like Dallas. I know that Phoenix has played amazing basketball since that horrific start. Problem is, Dallas has been even better. Dallas is gifted offensively and overall they're quicker and defend the perimeter and the paint better.

Statistically Phoenix blows you away until you look at the Suns' games against Dallas and San Antonio, which are the teams they'll have to beat to get to the Finals.


Broussard: Dallas. This team has no weaknesses. It can run, score in the half court, go inside, outside and most important, defend -- it's what will separate Dallas from the Suns this year.

Dallas is still capable of scoring with the Suns, and in the fourth quarter of playoff games, the Mavs will be able to slow them down defensively.


Bucher: Suns. With Amare Stoudemire able to play consistent minutes and acting like a better teammate, Phoenix is playing well even when Steve Nash isn't on the floor.

The Mavs are on a mission, but the Suns are the more desperate team, knowing that cap issues and Nash's iffy back could make this their last shot. It worked for Miami last year.


Hollinger: Phoenix. I went with the Spurs before the season, and they still might be there, but the Suns have been head and shoulders above the league since the second week and it seems only an injury can derail them, even in a loaded West. Some nights you think they'll never lose again.


Sheridan: At this point, I'd hold my breath and take the Suns over the Mavericks by the slimmest of margins, only because Phoenix has not taken a single night off since starting the season 1-5, whereas Dallas has three lopsided losses in its 34-4 record since opening 0-4.


Stein: The Mavs have the edge because, much like San Antonio in 2005, they have the versatility to play any style. No one else in the league can make that claim.

My disclaimer: Phoenix has more room to improve than any other contender between now and the end of the season because, well, who knows what Amare Stoudemire is capable of?

The most amazing thing about the Suns' ridiculous 31-2 stretch is that they're still figuring things out as a group, with Amare operating at about 80 to 90 percent of his pre-microfracture capacity. Imagine if he rises another notch (or three) between now and April.
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Suns 98 Bucks 90 (Phoenix 35-8 )

Bucks were scrappy and the Suns may have been looking ahead to Sunday's (Nationally Televised Game on ABC, 1PM EST!) game at the Cavs.

Still some notable stats:

Marion 23 rbs
Nash 16 assists
Bell 7 three pointers

D'Antoni used a seven man rotation in this one and Nash was exhausted near the end of the 1st quarter for some reason.

That's 16 wins in a row which breaks a long standing record team win streak dating back to...oh, last month when they finished up a 15 game win streak! They did break a record with 9 straight road wins as well.

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Phoenix 115 Cleveland 100 (Suns 36-8 )

Nash had a sweet reverse layup in this one with some serious English off the glass.

Nash 23 pts, 15 assists, 0 turnovers

Suns go for win #18 in Minnesota tomorrow night.

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My God KG went off on Phoenix.
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Cartalas wrote:My God KG went off on Phoenix.
That fall away turn around jumper he has is unguardable and he made every one of them in the 4th.

Minnesota played a great game which eases the pain a bit. It could be back down to earth for the Suns the next week with the Spurs, Utah and Denver upcoming. I'd rather blow the streak to a non rival team than lose it to the Spurs! I'll be crying if the Suns don't fare well these next three games.
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Dallas 37-9
Suns 36-9

Damnit Avery Johnson should be coaching the All Star Game!!!

What a bullshit rule
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Next games will be telling for the Suns. They don't have a stellar record against the best teams right now (is it 0-6?).
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Cartalas wrote:Dallas 37-9
Suns 36-9

Damnit Avery Johnson should be coaching the All Star Game!!!

What a bullshit rule
Nay. They determine who coaches the All Star game after 41 games I believe and the Suns had the best record at that time so the bullshit "can't coach two consecutive All Star games" rule doesn't apply!

Kelshara, yep. The Suns are 0-5 against them but have lost in OT and only by a handful of points total. Dallas has been blown out a few times this year, once by a team the Suns blew out (Chicago). Not that it matters too much. Regular season goal is to get the #1 seed so if Dallas can get blown out or the Suns can lose to the biggies and still get the #1 seed, they're in good shape. Psychologically, the Suns need to pick up some wins vs the Spurs and Dallas.

The Suns have more work to do before being ready to take on Dallas in the Western Conference Finals. (or earlier depending on the seeding) I think they can improve a little more over the next few months.
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Cartalas wrote:Dallas 37-9
Suns 36-9

Damnit Avery Johnson should be coaching the All Star Game!!!

What a bullshit rule
Nay. They determine who coaches the All Star game after 41 games I believe and the Suns had the best record at that time so the bullshit "can't coach two consecutive All Star games" rule doesn't apply!

Kelshara, yep. The Suns are 0-5 against them but have lost in OT and only by a handful of points total. Dallas has been blown out a few times this year, once by a team the Suns blew out (Chicago). Not that it matters too much. Regular season goal is to get the #1 seed so if Dallas can get blown out or the Suns can lose to the biggies and still get the #1 seed, they're in good shape. Psychologically, the Suns need to pick up some wins vs the Spurs and Dallas.

The Suns have more work to do before being ready to take on Dallas in the Western Conference Finals. (or earlier depending on the seeding) I think they can improve a little more over the next few months.

Yeah that 97 to 96 Win against the Bulls on Jan. 2nd was a huge blowout?

If you want to use that statment you got blown out by Minnesota a team Dallas has blown out.

Plus your record against Dallas right now is 0-2 the best you can hope for is a push.

Something else might come into play here is that Phx. has a 16-8 Conference record Dallas has a 25-6 conference record, so guess who has already played the tougher part of their schedule?
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Something else might come into play here is that Phx. has a 16-8 Conference record Dallas has a 25-6 conference record, so guess who has already played the tougher part of their schedule?
Dallas will lose their focus playing pansy teams the second half of the season while the Suns fine tune their game play against challenging opponents!

A one point win isn't a blowout? OK, blowout by a team the Suns beat! : )
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I guess having your own coach for the All Star game is a good Thing.

So the team with the best record in the NBA, the Western Conference champions, Get one player in the all star game?

Amare over Josh Howard??????

Give me a break
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Amare's a forward/center (plays Center on the Suns). Yao Ming is injured. Josh Howard is stuck behind the eleventybillion high quality forwards in the deep deep West.

Josh Howard would start in the East!
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Amare may not get in next year if "Sun Ming" gets into the NBA. It won't matter if he's good, the Chinese will vote him in.

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Phoenix 103 San Antonio 87 (Suns 37-9)

Amare 24 pts, 23 rbs (and one knee to the nuts from Ginobili)

You were saying Cart? :twisted:

Good game. It was closer than the score. Marcus Banks might cost us a Championship. He sucks.
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Well with Yao and Boozer out Im expecting Carmelo and Howard to be selected.
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Nice article on SI about the Sun's style of play and chances to win the championship this year. Here's a little part of it:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/w ... index.html


Like a lot of fellow longtime NBA executives, Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh has been watching the red-hot Suns this season with more than a passing interest.

"Historically, teams that play that style don't win [the championship]," he said. "But I'm beginning to think they might be able to do it."...

...Indeed, the one thing that might prevent Suns-style ball from catching on is the simple fact that most teams don't have the right players for it. Steve Nash, in particular, is unique. The two-time reigning MVP not only sees the floor so well, but he also shoots a high percentage. It makes it all but impossible to go under screens and cut off penetration, because Nash will step back and bury a three-pointer. Check out those other teams that have tried to play like Phoenix, and none has a cat-quick point guard who can also shoot from outside.

"It's impossible to play exactly like the Suns unless you have Steve Nash," Grunfeld says.

Meanwhile, Marion and Stoudemire give Phoenix two big men at their respective positions who can run the floor and knock down outside shots. Throw in a big man with triple-double skills in Boris Diaw and sharpshooters like Raja Bell and Leandro Barbosa, and it's clear that few teams have the personnel to make it work like Phoenix does.
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Winnow wrote:Amare may not get in next year if "Sun Ming" gets into the NBA. It won't matter if he's good, the Chinese will vote him in.
I know you're bitter about Yao, but while he's not the only Chinese NBA player, he is the only Chinese NBA player to make an all-star game.
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Winnow!!! Update please!
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Nash and Diaw are out with injuries!

Phoenix lost its first game by more than 10 points in its last 51 games. That streak was good for forth on the all time list!
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My God!!! Can they be stopped!

Dallas 115 Denver 95 Making Dallas's record 46-9 giving them a 4.5 game lead for the top seed in the west with only 27 games left, pretty much a mortal lock.

Dallas is only the 4th team in NBA history to have 3 10+ game Streaks

17 Suns
15 Suns
13 Dallas
12 Dallas
11 Dallas ( In Progress)

Future MVP Dirk Nowitzki just came off a 31 pt, 11 reb , 8 assist night
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Somebody stop those bastards before they get to 15!

Wed March 14th, Phoenix @ Dallas 9:00 PM ESPN

Last chance for the Suns to show they've improved before they play eash other in the WCF!

Nash is back and Diaw should be back tomorrow vs his old team Atlanta

Suns win streak is 3!

The three game losing streak prior to that was staged in order to show Nash's value in the MVP hunt!
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Cartalas wrote:
Future MVP Dirk Nowitzki just came off a 31 pt, 11 reb , 8 assist night
Amare tonight: 43 pts, 16 rbs, 6 assists, 3 blks

Kind of embarrassing for your MVP candidate to be scoring and rebounding so much lower than our #2 guy! He did get 2 more assists!

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