Official Serenity Review

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » October 3, 2005, 1:23 pm

Gonzoie - Luclin wrote:i just don't get it though, everyone ive talked to that hasn't been a fan said he or she liked it.. even a chick that isn't into sci-fi, who just went with her boyfriend to make him happy, loved it.

it just seems as though you are trying to stir up shit for the sake of being a troll.

Its possible for people to just not like it. I am a big fan of sci-fi movies but this one was really boring and the characters just werent that great to me. I think it would have been a lot better if they redid the fighting scenes and the spaceship scenes....during those I was expecting the pink ranger to jump out at any moment.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » October 3, 2005, 1:40 pm

I feel sad for those that didn't like and I am happy for those that did. There is no right or wrong way of thinking about this film, or any other for that matter, as it is all a matter of subjective opinion. Some people tend to value their opinion over others and that is their right.

Sartori · Post by **Sartori** » October 3, 2005, 2:27 pm

Miir wrote:GO GO FANBOYS!

This didn't apply to you during those flamewars over on the EQ2 forum? /shrug You sure as hell acted like one. I swear I could almost see the line of Sony Execs in front you, waiting for their turn, pants around ankles. I don't blame ya though, if you like something enough there will always be someone that thinks opposite.

Miir wrote:If you haven't noticed, I'm getting reamed for disliking this movie.

It's okay though, your surrounded here by people that dislike you. What did you expect, a fucking picnic basket and a prostitute?

Miir wrote:Christ folks, it's just a trashy movie that will be forgotten by all in a few years.

Not likely. It obviously has a fanbase, just like you have yours here.

Miir wrote:Take a look at the Xmen movies. There was WAY MORE history and backstory to every one of those characters but the movies did a wonderful job of character development.

Unfortunately, I can understand character development (not including River) being a problem for people who haven't seen the series. I certainly won't be losing any sleep over it, but this is about the only point you have made that I tend to agree with. If you compared just X-men 1's character development to Serenity you still have a point, but why compare both X-men movies to it? So like, Star Wars Episodes 4-6 had more character development than Aliens. Who's with me?!

Gonzoie wrote:It just seems as though you are trying to stir up shit for the sake of being a troll.

Whoa stop the press! How could you even consider slandering Miir's name in this fashion?!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 3, 2005, 2:34 pm

I've never watched a single episode of the TV show, and I thought this movie was great.

Just remember that miir has shitty taste in just about everything

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 3, 2005, 2:47 pm

A camcordered pirate version of this movie won't do it justice. A great job was done on the sound effects and big screen feel to the movie.

This movie deserves a big screen viewing. Even the TV Series DVD episodes are shot in Widescreen which is great. You're missing quite a bit of the picture if you're watching them on the Sci Fi channel.

I'll admit that Serenity/Firefly is better suited for a TV series with the depth Whedon has put into each character. What's cool about the original Firefly series is that it was so well done it was like watching a 14+ hour movie.

Sirensa · Post by **Sirensa** » October 3, 2005, 2:59 pm

I liked the movie - having never seen the miniseries or whatever it is.

But the bad grammar seemed too contrived an annoyed the fuck out of me.

Also, some of the story-line could have used a bit more explanation (especially for the newbs like me). Don't really have time to go into deets tho!

miir · Post by **miir** » October 3, 2005, 3:14 pm

Washbourne.. proof that either.. A) you didn't really see the movie, or B) you weren't paying attention.

Turn on your sarcasm detector... the character probably had less than a dozen lines in the entire movie making his

[Show]: death

about as meaningful as a redshirt

[Show]: death

.

you said you hated in the first place, up to 2 and a half hours?

Never said I hated it.
Not sure where you got that from.
Hate implies stong feeling and I really don't care enough about this movie to have such stong personal feelings about it. Unlike the Joss Whedon knob slobbering fanboys who are personally insulted when someone disagrees with them on the greatness of Firefly/Serenity. I sure your hero Joss doesn't really care that some people don't like his movie... he probably knows the legions of members of the 'Cult of Joss' are more than eager to defend his honour on internet forums all over the world.

i just don't get it though, everyone ive talked to that hasn't been a fan said he or she liked it.. even a chick that isn't into sci-fi, who just went with her boyfriend to make him happy, loved it.

Maybe it's an american thing. There was no applause at the credits, there was very little audible laughter, there we frequent groans at the corny dialogue and when Washborne got

[Show]: shish kebab'd

.

Just remember that miir has shitty taste in just about everything

That's not what your mom says.

This didn't apply to you during those flamewars over on the EQ2 forum?

ROFL OK, my flame wars with the retards who had never played EQ2?

At least I went out and watched this movie. Call me a troll/fanboy whatever, but I don't go spouting off opinions or criticisms of games/movies/music that I have never played/seen/heard.

It's like if someone on these forums doesn't adhere to the sheep masses they get flamed and labeled. That's fine with me, I expect that. I expected to get flamed and insulted for not like this crappy movie but I posted anyway. I really don't see anyone disputing the valid criticisms I have of Serenity.

It's okay though, your surrounded here by people that dislike you.

I think it's pretty safe to say that I'm not 'disliked' on these forums... no matter how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise.

This movie deserves a big screen viewing

I dunno about that.
The fight scenes and cheap CGI looked really bad on a big screen.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » October 3, 2005, 4:11 pm

Still convinced that I've never played EQ2, miir? You should start a cult.

Drolgin Steingrinder · October 3, 2005, 4:22 pm

Miir, my edit of your previous post was a gentle one, merely adding spoiler tags that should've put in yourself. Feel free to try and poke fun at me for doing it, but don't fuck up things for people who haven't seen the movie yet okay? You're not coming off as funny, just as a smartass.

You have every right to your opinion on the movie, and people can choose to agree or disagree, just don't be a cock about it.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » October 3, 2005, 4:26 pm

Hate implies stong feeling and I really don't care enough about this movie to have such stong personal feelings about it.

Then stfu?

miir · Post by **miir** » October 3, 2005, 4:35 pm

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:Miir, my edit of your previous post was a gentle one, merely adding spoiler tags that should've put in yourself. Feel free to try and poke fun at me for doing it, but don't fuck up things for people who haven't seen the movie yet okay? You're not coming off as funny, just as a smartass.

You have every right to your opinion on the movie, and people can choose to agree or disagree, just don't be a cock about it.

No, I agree with your edit of my post.
I had to quickly add spoiler tags to my last post before I left my laptop for a few hours.

Wasn't trying to be clever or funny.

Then stfu?

Go ahead

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » October 3, 2005, 9:11 pm

Can one mother fucker in or out of Hollywood make a scifi movie without cutesy kid appeal bullshit?

'cause Buffy Whedon didn't pull it off.

noel · Post by **noel** » October 3, 2005, 10:01 pm

Miir, I never said you couldn't like Serenity. Given your previous statements about Firefly, I was kind of surprised you even bothered seeing Serenity in the theater at all. I'll also grant you that there was a lack of character development within the movie and that from time to time, the special effects ranged from amateurish to very good and there was a general lack of consistency (in the effects). That said, I did think you were joking when you said the dialogue in Ep 3 was better. I can totally see not liking the movie, the TV series, etc. but I have a hard time wrapping my brain around how you can honestly think you can even compare the dialogue.

I'm also just going to assume that the fanboi comments aren't directed at me. Seems like more and more lately, if someone likes something and someone else doesn't, the person who doesn't starts throwing out the label fanboi at every turn. I never saw the original series. I didn't like Buffy though I'd occasionally watch it when nothing else was on (so I saw it like 3 times). I never watched Angel at all. I didn't know Joss Whedon was involved in any of that when I downloaded the Firefly DVDs (which I've since purchased). I might not have downloaded it in the first place if I'd known that. So I own the DVDs, saw the movie, and really liked the series and the movie. If that does make me a fanboi, that's pretty funny.

I totally get people not liking Firefly/Serenity (in general). When Vaemas was explaining to me that it's a western/sci-fi, I didn't think that would work at all. Then I watched it, and sometime into the second or third episode, I was really hooked, and really started to enjoy it. Sometimes the way they handle the weapons, or the special effects strike me as annoyingly inconsistent and odd. So I totally get you, and other people not liking it. There's a lot of things mixed in that are inconsistent with normal sci-fi. Joss is at least nice enough to stay consistent through his shows, and I like the characters.

I guess the good thing for people like you who don't like Serenity, but do like sci-fi is that with it's successful opening, maybe there will be a few more directors who get the opportunity to do something similar, and maybe there will be one you do like.

miir · Post by **miir** » October 3, 2005, 11:00 pm

That said, I did think you were joking when you said the dialogue in Ep 3 was better

Hehe, yea. That was an exaggeration.

But the dialogue was pretty bad in parts.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » October 3, 2005, 11:48 pm

This would have been a GREAT Bruce Campbell vehicle!

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » October 4, 2005, 5:35 am

Just saw it. I enjoyed it, but I agree that it wasn't anything amazing. I've never seen the show, but in the past I have liked Whedons style and he delivers on this movie. Deffinately would have been more entertaining had I followed the series.

I would compare it more to Star Trek than Star Wars, just like how most of the Star Trek movies were like long, high budget versions of the TV show...

It should be judged as a movie though, and whether or not the series had great character developement...this lacked it, but it was no worse than some of the better Star Trek movies.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » October 4, 2005, 6:34 am

Orson Scott Card liked it... a lot...

http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/ever ... xtra.shtml

noel · Post by **noel** » October 4, 2005, 6:59 am

Keverian FireCry wrote:Just saw it. I enjoyed it, but I agree that it wasn't anything amazing. I've never seen the show, but in the past I have liked Whedons style and he delivers on this movie. Deffinately would have been more entertaining had I followed the series.

I would compare it more to Star Trek than Star Wars, just like how most of the Star Trek movies were like long, high budget versions of the TV show...

It should be judged as a movie though, and whether or not the series had great character developement...this lacked it, but it was no worse than some of the better Star Trek movies.

I think Star Trek is a much better comparison. If you'd never seen ST:NG, but then watched the movie that was based on it, you'd not really get the characters either. I think Joss was praying a lot of people had catassed through the DVD in the weeks leading up to the movie so he could get away with less character development and focus more on telling the story he wanted to tell.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 4, 2005, 1:19 pm

Animalor wrote:Orson Scott Card liked it... a lot...

http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/ever ... xtra.shtml

Nice. At least creative people like Orson Scott Card get it!

Bottom line is I want movies that entertain me. I don't really care if others like them but I can't have them flop at the box office so need to convince rubes to go see them as well.

For the Serenity sequel, I'm going to recommend that big breasted women and cute furry animals that have nothing to do with the movie be the focus of previews for the movie and maybe have Arnold say, with his best accent, "You can't stop the signal girly man!" That should be good enough for a 25M opening weekend.

When you think about it, movies are a lot like politics with previews equaling campaigns. Who cares what is said or shown in the previews as long as it gets viewers in the seats.

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » October 4, 2005, 3:01 pm

Animalor wrote:Orson Scott Card liked it... a lot...

Isn't that that dude who wrote some book about 1987?

Psyloche · Post by **Psyloche** » October 4, 2005, 3:34 pm

Momopi wrote:
Animalor wrote:Orson Scott Card liked it... a lot...

Isn't that that dude who wrote some book about 1987?

Wrote Ender's Game and quite a few other books following up after. I was really interested reading his article cause he makes mention of an Ender's Game movie. Which while I would love to see, share his FEARS (KTHXRANSUREFAG) of it being done terribly.

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » October 4, 2005, 3:37 pm

Psyloche wrote:
Momopi wrote:
Animalor wrote:Orson Scott Card liked it... a lot...

Isn't that that dude who wrote some book about 1987?
Wrote Ender's Game and quite a few other books following up after. I was really interested reading his article cause he makes mention of an Ender's Game movie. Which while I would love to see, share his trepidations of it being done terribly.

trepidations?.... you dont really talk like that...

Akanae · Post by **Akanae** » October 4, 2005, 4:01 pm

Orson Scott Card liked it... a lot...

He is also a huge firefly fan. When interviewed for the Documentary he said something about wanting to shoot the fox executives when they canceled Firefly

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 5, 2005, 1:16 am

Psyloche wrote:
Momopi wrote:
Animalor wrote:Orson Scott Card liked it... a lot...

Isn't that that dude who wrote some book about 1987?
Wrote Ender's Game and quite a few other books following up after. I was really interested reading his article cause he makes mention of an Ender's Game movie. Which while I would love to see, share his trepidations of it being done terribly.

Here's Ender's Game in pdf format for anyone curious enough to take a look at Orson Scott Card's best novel:

Ender's Game ~450kb

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » October 5, 2005, 8:41 am

Debatably his best novel.

But while I think Card rocks, I think his taste in movies sucks.

Psyloche · Post by **Psyloche** » October 5, 2005, 9:20 am

Ransure wrote:
Psyloche wrote:
Momopi wrote:
Animalor wrote:Orson Scott Card liked it... a lot...

Isn't that that dude who wrote some book about 1987?
Wrote Ender's Game and quite a few other books following up after. I was really interested reading his article cause he makes mention of an Ender's Game movie. Which while I would love to see, share his trepidations of it being done terribly.
trepidations?.... you dont really talk like that...

been in meeting with LM and DRS all week. office talk is getting to me. i hate work, find me a new job.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » October 5, 2005, 9:52 am

Ender's Game was a great book, don't get me wrong, I just prefer the Tales of Alvin Maker myself.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » December 12, 2005, 3:35 am

Aslanna wrote:I haven't seen Serenity yet.. But episode 3's dialogue totally ruined the movie for me. I seriously doubt Serentiy is worse than that. I'll get back to you after seeing it!

And I've never seen Firefly so I'm not a 'fanboi' or whatever it is you're spouting.

Ebert gave it three stars. How bad can it be!

Finally saw it. And since a lot of 'Star Wars' got thrown into this thread I think I'll let you know that Star Wars Ep3 was the last science fiction movie I saw. So with that in mind, Serenity, for me, was a far better movie by at least ten times.

I mean seriously if anyone thinks SW:EP3 is better than this perhaps they should look at who the real 'FANBOYS' are. EP3 was a total shit movie and I found myself constantly thinking "Is it over yet?" Serenity actually kept me interested for two hours. Sure, it had some cheese and some bad special effects (the crash landing was pretty pathetic considering the good stuff that came before it) but that's easy to forgive.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » December 12, 2005, 4:33 am

Glad you had a chance to see it.

Some of the cheese written into the movie (and series) is on purpose. That's just Joss Whedon's style. He also likes to create quick emotional turnarounds.

I think, unanimously, everyone on VV who has seen both the Firefly series and the movie agree that the series is better than the movie mostly because Firefly had 15 hours to develop the characters.

Firefly would be worth a look if you happen to stumble upon it. This first 8 minutes of the two hour pilot are a flashback and then things take off.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » December 12, 2005, 7:37 pm

SciFi channel has been showing the series, and it's pretty damn good.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » December 15, 2005, 2:50 am

Don't forget about the Serenity DVD on December 20th!

Serenity is coming to DVD on December 20th and many people are asking what sort of extras we can expect on the DVD. Wonder no longer. I have the extras and the run times for you. Worry no more friends! Keep in mind I have been warned between now and December 20th the extras could possibly be altered.

Deleted & Extra Scenes - Runtime - 15minutes
OutTakes - Runtime - 6minutes
Future History : Story of Earth that Was - Runtime - 5mins
What's in a Firefly? Runtime - 7mins
Re-Lighting the FireFly - Runtime - 10mins
Joss Whedon Introduction - 4minutes

need this to sell well to get a sequel.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » December 15, 2005, 10:32 am

Screw waiting for Xmas on this one. I'm there.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » December 15, 2005, 10:47 am

Don't even have a release date here yet... =/

Gonzoie - Luclin · Post by **Gonzoie - Luclin** » December 15, 2005, 10:35 pm

Just got the DVD from work today and watched it.. its still a great movie, and the outtakes are hilarious. Be sure to watch the deleted scenes as well, and all the other bonus material.

Joss is a genius, and he actually thanks the fans for being there and helping them to get this movie. Without the fans, and the websites, this movie would have never been made.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » December 16, 2005, 3:20 am

I'm getting an early listen to the Joss Whedon's commentary track on the DVD and it's interesting as you would expect.

The first scene inside the Serenity ship in the movie is a 4 1/2 minute ubcut scene. It's one guy following the action around carrying a camera. (there's actually one switch when they have to move to the second set but you would't know it until Joss spilled the beans.)

I like hearing Whedon talk about all the thought he put into parts of the movie that may go unnoticed. Interesting to hear about the director's though process during the shooting of the movie.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » December 16, 2005, 3:26 am

Well I hope it sells enough on DVD to actually make a profit or there probably wont be another one. Then again the movie works as it is so not really sure it needs a sequel.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » December 20, 2005, 3:56 pm

The DVD is in stores TODAY!!!!!!

The Widescreen DVD is also #1 on Amazon.com and #3 on Amazon.ca
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/ne ... 36-9485432

http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/tg/bro ... 72-3141643

Buy it, support Joss, help make Universal a ton of cash and help have movie #2 greenlighted!

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » December 20, 2005, 6:08 pm

Yay, time to order it soon. Think right after Christmas ill have to get Serenity and Sin Sity extended

XunilTlatoani · Post by **XunilTlatoani** » December 20, 2005, 8:17 pm

*cry*

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/1 ... 97&tid=214

I guess you should never say never.... I'm still getting the DVD today of course and hope for more in the future

*edit*

reading some of the /. comments (something i rarely do), seems like the EW article may have been taken out of context as Joss has recently said that DVD sales will ultimately determine the fate of the series. *shrug*

*edit again*

quote from a tvguide.com interview one week ago:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Insider/?cm ... 2A6BB01%7D

TVGuide.com: Are you considering any future installments of the Serenity/Firefly franchise?
Whedon: It's hard to say. I think the DVD sales will have a lot to say about that. Are there more stories to tell? You bet. Would I love to tell them and work with everyone again? The answer is also yup. Now, the movie did not get a huge amount of people out to see it. We'll need the DVD to make the money back. But I rule out nothing. I think it's the type of movie that can be discovered on DVD. It has definitely affected the people who have seen it.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » December 21, 2005, 12:39 am

Take a peek at this news atricle on Joss' site.

http://whedonesque.com/comments/9027#more

All right, now I have to jump in and set the record straight. EW is a fine rag, but they do take things out of context. Obviously when I said I had 'closure', what I meant was "I hate Serenity, I hated Firefly, I think my fans are stupid and Nathan Fillion smells like turnips." But EW's always got to put some weird negative spin on it. But so we're clear once and for all: If you read a quote saying "I'd love to do more in this 'verse with these actors in any medium" all I'm saying is that Nathan has a turnipy odor. It's not his fault, he doesn't eat a lot of them but everyone else in the cast noticed it and tht's not really something I'm prepared to deal with any more. And Jewel said outright she wouldn't do scenes with him except stuff like the SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER funeral scene which was outside in a high SPOILER wind. So if I do manage to find another incarnation for my beloved creation, it will have been totally against my will.

I hope that clears everything up. Oh, and when I say I want to do a Spike movie, it means I have a bunion on my toe.

-joss (by which I mean Tim)

(no, actually me.)
joss | December 21, 02:12 CET

Siji · Post by **Siji** » December 21, 2005, 3:15 am

I'd never seen the TV series and watched this on DVD and enjoyed it quite a bit. I laughed frequently and wasn't bored at any point. Hopefully DVD sales will be enough to make another one. It's certainly better than most of the movies out these days.

miir · Post by **miir** » December 21, 2005, 11:30 am

Animalor wrote:Take a peek at this news atricle on Joss' site.

http://whedonesque.com/comments/9027#more

All right, now I have to jump in and set the record straight. EW is a fine rag, but they do take things out of context. Obviously when I said I had 'closure', what I meant was "I hate Serenity, I hated Firefly, I think my fans are stupid and Nathan Fillion smells like turnips." But EW's always got to put some weird negative spin on it. But so we're clear once and for all: If you read a quote saying "I'd love to do more in this 'verse with these actors in any medium" all I'm saying is that Nathan has a turnipy odor. It's not his fault, he doesn't eat a lot of them but everyone else in the cast noticed it and tht's not really something I'm prepared to deal with any more. And Jewel said outright she wouldn't do scenes with him except stuff like the SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER funeral scene which was outside in a high SPOILER wind. So if I do manage to find another incarnation for my beloved creation, it will have been totally against my will.

I hope that clears everything up. Oh, and when I say I want to do a Spike movie, it means I have a bunion on my toe.

-joss (by which I mean Tim)

(no, actually me.)
joss | December 21, 02:12 CET

That's funny stuff.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » December 24, 2005, 2:31 pm

I watched the DVD last night with my wife and we both really liked it. We're going to buy the series today, thanks in large part to the 10$ off coupon that was included with the movie purchase.

I think it was easily better than the latest round of Star Wars films and I would like to see more.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » January 2, 2006, 4:00 am

I had never seen nor heard much about Firefly, but word-of-mouth led me to rent Serenity. I just say that I was quite impressed and enjoyed the DVD. Definately looking forward to buying the Firefly DVDs as well as Serenity. Hopefully, there will be more in the future. Although it certainly is not 'OMG OMG GOMGOMGOMG!!' material, it is pretty damn good enough to draw my interest.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 2, 2006, 9:35 am

Bought and watched it the other day after being unable to get it at the video store, all the copies they have are reserved for a while yet. I thought it was a pretty good movie. Good enough to get me to buy the TV series DVDs at any rate.

Much better than the pile of festering ass that the latest star wars movies were.

Drolgin Steingrinder · January 2, 2006, 9:39 am

The Joss Whedon introduction on the DVD, is that the bit that was shown at the fan screenings? Where he basically talks about how the movie isn't finished just yet but how it would never have been made at all if it hadn't been for the fans?

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » January 2, 2006, 11:46 am

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:The Joss Whedon introduction on the DVD, is that the bit that was shown at the fan screenings? Where he basically talks about how the movie isn't finished just yet but how it would never have been made at all if it hadn't been for the fans?

Not 100 percent sure but I think that is the case.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » January 2, 2006, 2:02 pm

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:The Joss Whedon introduction on the DVD, is that the bit that was shown at the fan screenings? Where he basically talks about how the movie isn't finished just yet but how it would never have been made at all if it hadn't been for the fans?

It's on the copy I bought. Looks like it was done at a pre-screening well vbefor ethe movie was done.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » January 28, 2006, 12:31 pm

This finally showed up from Netflix (was way down my list). It was good, I wouldnt say it was awesome. But was well worth watching.

I would say 6/10

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 4, 2006, 12:57 am

I can now classify Firefly/Serenity as an excellent series/movie combo that didn't overstay it's welcome although I would have liked to have seen two full seasons of Firefly and no movie if Fox had made better decisions.

Joss Whedon fanboys can finally give up all hope, the writer/director has finally confirmed what I've said all along: There will never be a Serenity sequel. Serenity was a 2005 science fiction western film set in the universe of the cancelled Fox television series Firefly. Including it's home video release, Serenity has still yet to come close to earning back it's $39 million budget. "There's no sequel, no secret project regarding Serenity or somesuch and I'm not even sure how anyone thought there was talk there," wrote Whedon. "So let's put that to bed and smother it with a pillow."

Harsh words, and yet...good dialouge. To be fair this must have been a massive disappointment to Whedon. This movie got outstanding reviews, people were calling it the next Star Wars franchise and for it to not even make back it's 36 million dollar budget must have made all the people who made it want to go to bed and never wake up. It's a shame that the sequel won't be made, but it's understandable, no one wants to make a movie when the first one didn't even break even.