Jane Fonda

[Skogen]

Jesus fucking christ are you getting dumber? You think it's okay to physically assault someone for having an opinion? Why do you even bother living in the USA? All of the rights and freedoms that your forefathers fought for are obviously nothing to you. .

Actually, what she did was past having an opinion. It is a little something called "treason". And our forefathers had this little law they enacted that allows for you to be put to death for treason. They should have prosecuted the dumb bitch in the 60's and then we would not be having this discussion now.

Just like 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence? They shoulda been hanged by the English, those fucking traitors!!!

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

And they would have been if the British were competent enough to have defeated the colonies.

[Lohrno]

Actually, what she did was past having an opinion. It is a little something called "treason".

Sorry, I disagree given what was shown on TV it could be seen as patriotic even.

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. "

Or to paraphrase: When government is being destructive, it is the right of the people to seek a remedy. That's what she was trying to do.

[Winnow]

And they would have been if the British were competent enough to have defeated the colonies.

Yep. Colonies for teh win though!

As for Jane Fonda, how long do you think she'd last if she went and visited Bin Laden and held his AK-47?

In defense of Jane Fonda, she's an idiot. She admitted that she's easily manipulated was mostly only useful as a sex toy but that usefulness has long since passed.

[cid]

Or to paraphrase: When government is being destructive, it is the right of the people to seek a remedy. That's what she was trying to do.

Sounds like Waco to me.

[Cartalas]

What she did was wrong!!!!

What he did was Wrong and he ran after he did it!!!!!

End of story!!!!!!

[nobody]

Actually, what she did was past having an opinion. It is a little something called "treason".

Or to paraphrase: When government is being destructive, it is the right of the people to seek a remedy. That's what she was trying to do.

seeking a remedy means aiding the other side who was guilty of as many if not likely more faults as the US?

[Lohrno]

means aiding the other side who was guilty of as many if not likely more faults as the US?

I don't think she gave more aid than lipservice sorry...She was no spy or anything. She just said what she thought at the time...

And given the atrocities that were shown on TV, it's almost patriotic to want to do something about it...

[Voronwë]

Cartalas, the Voice of Reason!!

[Zaelath]

She didn't go to North Vietnam to try to bring about peace or to reconcile the two warring sides or to stop American boys from being killed; she went there as an active show of support for the North Vietnamese cause. She lauded the North Vietnamese military and citizens while she denounced American soldiers as "war criminals" and urged them to stop fighting, she lobbied to cut off all American economic aid to the South Vietnamese government even after the Paris Peace Accords ended U.S. military involvement in Vietnam, and she publicly thanked the Soviets for providing assistance to the North Vietnamese.

Where's your source for this?

Even accepting all of that is true, and a good deal of it is clearly opinion, what it's saying is she was as naive and misdirected. Perhaps all most as fucking idiotic as people who attempt to link Iraq and 9/11, Iraq and Al'Queda, Iraq and WMD, or pretty much anything but Iraq and oil reserves.

Get the fuck on a transport over there and press your convictions into service, at the worst it might shut your ignorant hole for a while, at best it will strengthen the gene pool.

[nobody]

press my convictions into service? stupid ass, i AM in the service! i fucking VOLUNTEERED to go to afghanistan, i speak the fucking language! i've tried to go again as well as Iraq but can't at this period in time.

that quote was from Snopes, the link has already been provided for you if you cared to actually read.

my point is she gave praise to the communists who commited the same attrocities she was accusing the US of using. i am not in any way trying to absolve the US for it's actions over there. but why dis they deserve her praise and attention while we got a spit on by her? she had every right to protest the war but she was trying to make the North look like the victims and the good guys. THAT was what she did wrong.

and i've fucking provided links to AQ and Iraq should you choose to open your eyes and read them. of course you haven't fucking been over there so you only know what is spoon fed to you.

[Lohrno]

point is she gave praise to the communists who commited the same attrocities she was accusing the US of using. i am not in any way trying to absolve the US for it's actions over there. but why dis they deserve her praise and attention while we got a spit on by her? she had every right to protest the war but she was trying to make the North look like the victims and the good guys. THAT was what she did wrong.

True...but I don't see this as a treasonous act still...

and i've fucking provided links to AQ and Iraq should you choose to open your eyes and read them. of course you haven't fucking been over there so you only know what is spoon fed to you.

So you haven't been to Iraq either... all your info about Iraq comes from news or buddies is that right? How many AQ insurgents have they met?

[Sueven]

I just noticed something that bothered me:

If it was a North Vietnamese singer that came here and started applauding our GIs, would that be right?

certainly not

Why not? The majority of democratic theory assumes that war can be the object of rational deliberation. Just war theory posits that there are certain circumstances in which the decision to go to war is just. Collective security assumes that we can identify the aggressor state in any conflict interaction. There's a staggeringly vast literature devoted to studying the ethics of war, and, for the most part, this literature actually does make ethical judgments, and these judgments tend to be widely accepted.

If war is capable of rational deliberation, and we as humans are capable of determining the various ethical consequences of a particular action, why should our opinions or actions be constrained by our country of birth? If your country of birth is performing an action that is legitimately "wrong," is it not then "right" to oppose it?

Do we blame Schindler for his actions in World War Two? No, we glorify him and consider him a hero.

Sidenotes:
-This post is not a defense of Jane Fonda. For it to be a defense of Jane Fonda, I would have had to claim that the Vietnam War was 'wrong' in some empirical sense, which I have not done. Please don't accuse me of defending her.

-I disagree with the assumption that we can rationally determine the ethical consequences of war and violent state actions.

[nobody]

point is she gave praise to the communists who commited the same attrocities she was accusing the US of using. i am not in any way trying to absolve the US for it's actions over there. but why dis they deserve her praise and attention while we got a spit on by her? she had every right to protest the war but she was trying to make the North look like the victims and the good guys. THAT was what she did wrong.

True...but I don't see this as a treasonous act still...

and i've fucking provided links to AQ and Iraq should you choose to open your eyes and read them. of course you haven't fucking been over there so you only know what is spoon fed to you.

So you haven't been to Iraq either... all your info about Iraq comes from news or buddies is that right? How many AQ insurgents have they met?

no i do not see what she did as treasonous. i do feel she is ignorant and stupid and has never done anything close to being apologetic enough to convince me she doesn't deserve to be spit on. even though spitting on her was wrong and shouldn't have happened, it only deminished that guy's cause, but she still deserved it.

i never said the only true source of information is first hand in the country. what i was trying to say was i am no armchair quarterback and am am perfectly willing to put my convictions into practice. i think if you get your information from as many sources as possible, especially background information, you can be perfectly capable of making an intelligent decision.

to answer you Sueven:

i can feel justified in saying that b/c i do not fully support our involvment in Vietnam. while this hypothetical woman may have been right to support troops on either side who were only doing their duty, she would not have been right in supporting the US for being involved in a war they should not have been.

let me in turn sidenote with my feeling that the US was the lesser of two evils in that war. if the US was invloved in every single conflict in the world and picked sides everytime then we would spend all our resources overseas and not be able to take care of ourselves. we are already doing this and are involved in way too many places we shouldn't be.

[Nick]

Wrong.
To be honest it's hard to look at nearly any War or conflict in the last 100 years that the US has been involved in (with the exception of the World Wars) were they were not the main perpetrators of violence or destruction, or as you put it, evil.

This is next to impossible for most Americans to even consider, nevertheless it is the case.

Jane Fonda is completely irrelevant, and only made relevant by the vast number of people with little to no education (other than the propoganda machine) on the usual cause or effect of nearly every US intervention since its inception.

This is not to say I hate Americans, as is the usual swill bandied about, I feel pity more than anything else, you guys have no clue what the fuck is happening most of the time.

Edit: Why is it ok for the US to invade countries on the thinly veiled guise of "Freedom" (which only the worst type of moron believes) and not ok for say, any other country?

Wait, nevermind, the US has the biggest army. I forgot there for a second.

Wow, big armies = great justice!!

[Wulfran]

Wrong.
To be honest it's hard to look at nearly any War or conflict in the last 100 years that the US has been involved in (with the exception of the World Wars) were they were not the main perpetrators of violence or destruction, or as you put it, evil.

Sorry Teeny but I have to say you are guilty of over-generalization here. If you look at Korea, the US was part of a UN operation to try and preserve democracy from aggression by the communists(as were a large number of other nations that often fail to be remembered). The Gulf War, was an American led alliance, again of a multinational force in response to aggression by Iraq. IMO these actions should not be equated to some other actions, such as Vietnam or the present Iraqi occupation. That the US had a greater capacity for violence and destruction than anyone they were pitted against openly, IMO is correct, but they didn't and don't always bring their entire resource base to bear.

[nobody]

where did i say it was ok to invade other countries?

[kyoukan]

Actually, what she did was past having an opinion. It is a little something called "treason". And our forefathers had this little law they enacted that allows for you to be put to death for treason. They should have prosecuted the dumb bitch in the 60's and then we would not be having this discussion now.

Define for me treason and correlate it with your insinuation on Fonda's actions in north vietnam.

You can't prosecute someone for being a dumb bitch. Unless of course you are posting from prison.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Actually, what she did was past having an opinion. It is a little something called "treason". And our forefathers had this little law they enacted that allows for you to be put to death for treason. They should have prosecuted the dumb bitch in the 60's and then we would not be having this discussion now.

Define for me treason and correlate it with your insinuation on Fonda's actions in north vietnam.

You can't prosecute someone for being a dumb bitch. Unless of course you are posting from prison.

Why did you come back? Stupid cunt = you.

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

During a 1972 trip to North Vietnam, Jane Fonda propagandized on behalf of the North Vietnamese government, declared that American POWs were being treated humanely and condemned U.S. soldiers as "war criminals" and later denounced them as liars for claiming they had been tortured: True.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

In law, treason is the crime of disloyalty to one's nation. A person who reneges on an oath of loyalty or a pledge of allegiance, and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."

[Lohrno]

I don't see how she was doing any of that. At most, she said "Woo! Go North Vietnamese! Kill those GIs!" She was not helping them overthrow our government, and she wasn't making a huge impact on their war effort...

[Nick]

Wulf, I was referring to Nicaragua, El Salvador, Cuba, Honduras, Vietnam, Palestine (US backed Israeli troops counts as US, hell the Israeli troops are solely kitted out by the US), Kosovo, Haiti, Columbia and Cambodia.
I think that covers it. Well, the official stuff anyway, unofficial acts of international terrorism are carried out daily by the US, not to mention on going support for various continuing exploitation of humans and terrorism.

Using the Gulf war as an example of legitimacy is risible especially considering you were happily supporting Saddam (and giving him aid) before he fucked himself up.

That is no over exaggeration Wulfran, check it out the examples above to any degree of impartial detail if you don't/can't believe me.

I didn't say the US was alone in it's acts (look at Iraq) but it is usually the forerunner in such horrific criminal acts.

Edit: Midnyte you tard, a lot of US soldiers were war criminals. The rest of the world has paid a heavy price so you can remain as ignorant as you are, at least have the courtesy to acknowledge them that fact.

[Sueven]

Teeny, what you just said contradicts your previous post.

Wrong.
To be honest it's hard to look at nearly any War or conflict in the last 100 years that the US has been involved in (with the exception of the World Wars) were they were not the main perpetrators of violence or destruction, or as you put it, evil.

...If you look at Korea...

The Gulf War, was an American led alliance, again of a multinational force in response to aggression by Iraq

Wulf, I was referring to Nicaragua, El Salvador, Cuba, Honduras, Vietnam, Palestine (US backed Israeli troops counts as US, hell the Israeli troops are solely kitted out by the US), Kosovo, Haiti, Columbia and Cambodia.

I don't deny that the United States has done some fucked up things in the countries you mention (except for Kosovo, I would argue that there is zero justification for claiming that the United States were the 'main perpetrators of violence, destruction, and evil' in Kosovo).

However, having done fucked up things in a number of situations (and good things in a number of other situations, such as the ones Wulf mentioned and you did not refute) in no way equates to 'The United States has been the main perpetrator of violence, destruction, and evil in nearly every conflict in which they have been involved.'

[Nick]

Teeny, what you just said contradicts your previous post.

Wrong.

The US did fuck all good things in Iraq, it only gave a fuck once one of it's interests came under aggression. In case you have forgotten after the Gulf War the US left the peasants to die to Saddam because they didnt give a fuck, not to mention the further sanctions which killed anything up to a million people whilst doing nothing but reinforcing Saddam's rule.
I would see that is aggression (indirect if you like, but murder none the less), but then again, let us look closer, the USA actively supported Saddam before this, therefore it falls under the USA umbrella. (Again, much like Israel today)
Effectively you were cleaning up your own mess.

Refuting Kosovo? There is much justification to suggest that the US made the whole thing a FUCKLOAD worse for the people living there, well above and beyond what the shitty guerrilas were getting up to.
Again, have a look, the USA and it's allies (yelping puppy of Britain, bullied smaller countries (as usual threatened by economic sanctions for non compliace, ala Iraq these days) decided that air strikes were needed to minimise the threat between the fighting factions, failing to mention that it was in fact adding to the fucking mess and INCREASING fighting (substantially in body count and damage/confusion) over there at the time.
There was a quick chronology change around by the state department for media release (read propoganda machine, which anywhere else is called lies) so it appeared the US was being oh so reasonable by trying to help out by dropping bombs, all the while it's intelligence being fully aware it had heightened the tension and killed many innocent people.
Sorry you didn't notice that one.

Not to mention the other horrific examples I listed above which account for literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of deaths, by FAR and AWAY making the US the new main Terrorist and perpetrator of aggressive violence (and therefore EVIL, by Nobody's wording) in the 20th Century.

[nobody]

(and therefore EVIL, by Nobody's wording)

please clarify

[Nick]

let me in turn sidenote with my feeling that the US was the lesser of two evils in that war

[Boogahz]

"Lesser of two evils" is used to show that you do not agree with either side. If I said that I was going to vote for the lesser of two evils, I am saying that I don't support all of what either party says/does. This is not saying that both are devil-spawn/evil.

[nobody]

ahhh ok i see.

i do not believe America to be "evil evil". we have at least 51% good in us which keeps us from being labled "evil evil" in my book.

[Nick]

Yeah let's argue over semantics.

The point being, murdering people is bad mmkay?!

[Canelek]

I was out fishing with a buddy of mine who is a Vietnam veteran. He had not heard of the spitting incident so I told him what happened. Anyways, he cringed at the mention of Fonda and had some choice muttered words regarding her asshattery in Hanoi all those years ago....guess you had to be there.

I can't imagine any Vietnam vet would have many kind words for miss Fonda, but hey, sometimes a line is crossed and redemption can never take place.

As for me, I wasn't born until 1973, so obviously didn't serve in SE Asia during that period and can offer no real empathy towards the spitter, although I imagine many folks have been saving up the Skoal Points for a book signing.

edit: missed some words here and there, go me!

[Zaelath]

press my convictions into service? stupid ass, i AM in the service! i fucking VOLUNTEERED to go to afghanistan, i speak the fucking language! i've tried to go again as well as Iraq but can't at this period in time.

You're on the role, you're not in service. I don't give a shit that you're "in the service", and I know you ride around town in your uniform getting thumbs up from other like minded induhviduals. What a shame, when there are simpletons that are still so convinced by their government's rhetoric that they would seek to join a bogus war that has proven to be futile, that they can't do some kind of exchange program with some more aware veteran in the region that would rather be home.

that quote was from Snopes, the link has already been provided for you if you cared to actually read.

I don't read every link posted, and Snopes is a) opinion, b) prone to quoting a bullshit email in it's entirety, then pointing out the real from the imagined. You quote from within a quote, including opinion of a raving lunatic that was clearly making shit up as they went along because the facts weren't "hot" enough; just too fucking stupid for words if you feel that's justifiable as any kind of fact.

and i've fucking provided links to AQ and Iraq should you choose to open your eyes and read them. of course you haven't fucking been over there so you only know what is spoon fed to you.

You mean post invasion links? You mean one nutjob that claims the name Al'Queda and turned up after the fact to stir up the locals? What a kind of rationalising buillshit is it to justify an action by a reaction?

Besides, do you know how many people claim to be Al'Queda now that you've made it famous?

Bush hasn't been over there either, do you think he doesn't know what goes on? Get over yourself, do you think the GI's in Vietnam understood what that war was really about at the time, or understood the Vietnamese people, or the VC?

[Trias]

Have you seen the well-to-do
Up and down Park Avenue
On that famous thoroughfare
With their noses in the air

High hats and narrow collars
White spats and lots of dollars
Spending every dime
For a wonderful time

Now, if you're blue
And you don't know where to go to
Why don't you go where fashion sits
Puttin' on the Ritz
Different types who wear a daycoat
Pants with stripes and cutaway coat
Perfect fits
Puttin' on the Ritz

Dressed up like a million dollar trooper
Trying hard to look like Gary Cooper
Super-duper

Come, let's mix where Rockefellers
Walk with sticks or "umberellas"
In their mitts
Puttin' on the Ritz

Tips his hat just like an English chappie
To a lady with a wealthy pappy
Very snappy

You'll declare it's simply topping
To be there and hear them swapping
Smart tidbits
Puttin' on the Ritz

[kyoukan]

Why did you come back? Stupid cunt = you.

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

During a 1972 trip to North Vietnam, Jane Fonda propagandized on behalf of the North Vietnamese government, declared that American POWs were being treated humanely and condemned U.S. soldiers as "war criminals" and later denounced them as liars for claiming they had been tortured: True.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

In law, treason is the crime of disloyalty to one's nation. A person who reneges on an oath of loyalty or a pledge of allegiance, and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."

Try again retard. That isn't treason. I know in your pigeon-brained little world everyone that doesn't stand up so fast that they drop a load in their pants and start openly weeping every time they see the US flag is guilty of high treason, that doesn't make it a fact out here in what I call Reality World.

[Xzion]

ahhh ok i see.

i do not believe America to be "evil evil". we have at least 51% good in us which keeps us from being labled "evil evil" in my book.

well you do live in Utah, thats "the heart of evil" in our country

[Sueven]

Wrong.

*shrug*

I'm not going to argue with you anymore. You're a smart guy. In your hurry to open other peoples minds, be careful that you don't close your own (and that's not meant to be as pretentious as it sounds).

[Nick]

I hear you Sueven. Was just backing up my point!

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Why did you come back? Stupid cunt = you.

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

During a 1972 trip to North Vietnam, Jane Fonda propagandized on behalf of the North Vietnamese government, declared that American POWs were being treated humanely and condemned U.S. soldiers as "war criminals" and later denounced them as liars for claiming they had been tortured: True.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

In law, treason is the crime of disloyalty to one's nation. A person who reneges on an oath of loyalty or a pledge of allegiance, and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."

Try again retard. That isn't treason. I know in your pigeon-brained little world everyone that doesn't stand up so fast that they drop a load in their pants and start openly weeping every time they see the US flag is guilty of high treason, that doesn't make it a fact out here in what I call Reality World.

I don't know what Canadian version of treason you are looking up, but what she did does qualify as treason and was prosecutable. The US just does not have a big history of trying anyone for those offenses and did not pursue it. It would have made a bad situation worse with that war being so widely unpopular....except that it would have gotten rid of her dumb ass.

[nobody]

ahhh ok i see.

i do not believe America to be "evil evil". we have at least 51% good in us which keeps us from being labled "evil evil" in my book.

well you do live in Utah, thats "the heart of evil" in our country

hah, aye

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Why did you come back? Stupid cunt = you.

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

During a 1972 trip to North Vietnam, Jane Fonda propagandized on behalf of the North Vietnamese government, declared that American POWs were being treated humanely and condemned U.S. soldiers as "war criminals" and later denounced them as liars for claiming they had been tortured: True.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

In law, treason is the crime of disloyalty to one's nation. A person who reneges on an oath of loyalty or a pledge of allegiance, and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."

Try again retard. That isn't treason. I know in your pigeon-brained little world everyone that doesn't stand up so fast that they drop a load in their pants and start openly weeping every time they see the US flag is guilty of high treason, that doesn't make it a fact out here in what I call Reality World.

I don't know what Canadian version of treason you are looking up, but what she did does qualify as treason and was prosecutable. The US just does not have a big history of trying anyone for those offenses and did not pursue it. It would have made a bad situation worse with that war being so widely unpopular....except that it would have gotten rid of her dumb ass.

It's obvious she didn't read any of my post before posting her stupidity.

[Lynks]

Please tell me what she did that was considered treason. I looked at the bolded paragraph and I see nothing there that she did.

But all I expect from you is "read what I posted because I dont have a counter argument for what you just said" response.

[Skogen]

Please tell me what she did that was considered treason. I looked at the bolded paragraph and I see nothing there that she did.

But all I expect from you is "read what I posted because I dont have a counter argument for what you just said" response.

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2715

There is your guide Midnyte..follow it!!

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

You're right. I would love to ask you to re-read. But, for some reason it is difficult for a lot of poeple to comprehend what it is they are reading.

Think long term. Think big picture. (Yes. phrases I use way too much. But, pertain everytime.)

During a 1972 trip to North Vietnam, Jane Fonda propagandized on behalf of the North Vietnamese government, declared that American POWs were being treated humanely and condemned U.S. soldiers as "war criminals" and later denounced them as liars for claiming they had been tortured: True.

Yes don't see that as being destructive and counterproductive to the war effort? To the efforts and goals of the soldiers? To the pysche of the soldiers still in battle? To the outlook and pysche of the American public at home?

In law, treason is the crime of disloyalty to one's nation. A person who reneges on an oath of loyalty or a pledge of allegiance, and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."

If you don't consider her actions harmful to America, then there is really no hope for us to come to any form of compromise or agreement, so let's just move on.

[Lohrno]

Yes don't see that as being destructive and counterproductive to the war effort? To the efforts and goals of the soldiers?

Do you consider protesting the war to be treasonous then? That also could be considered in that light.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Yes don't see that as being destructive and counterproductive to the war effort? To the efforts and goals of the soldiers?

Do you consider protesting the war to be treasonous then? That also could be considered in that light.

This is off the topic of what Jane Fonda did. Lets not detract from the discussion about her. PM me if you are so intrigued.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Visiting another country to inspire their troops to cause more bodily harm in a war effort against your own country is treason. You choosing not to accept that because Midnight is the one arguing it is so inane that I cannot even comprehend it.

[Lohrno]

This is off the topic of what Jane Fonda did. Lets not detract from the discussion about her. PM me if you are so intrigued.

No, now wait a minute you said that you consider what she did treasonous because of those things. Those things could also be said about protesters. So - Do you consider protesting treasonous as well? - Because if not, then I'd like to hear your case for the distinction.

[Lynks]

The same can be said about tourists that give a bad name of their country (give a bad image to hurt their nation).

Sorry, I dont see what she did as treason, just stupid and last I checked, there wasnt a law against that...yet.

Edit: Added rolling eyes cause Kilmoll is 'stupider' than he looks.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Tourists do not visit purely to inspire troops. Are you really as stupid as you are trying to act here?

[Lynks]

Tourists do not visit purely to inspire troops. Are you really as stupid as you are trying to act here?

I was doing a reference to ".citizen's actions ... seriously injure the [parent nation]." I was merely saying that, according to the fucked up logic here, the acts of tourism could be considered as treason.

In no way do I think that though, but I was trying to use the fucked up logic in this thread.


Might I recommend Hooked on Phonics or a sarcasm detector? Ill add the rolling eyes emoticon so you wont be so easily confused.

[Nick]

Midnyte you retard I think the Americans did more harm to themselves than Jane fucking Fonda did.

Are you completely allergic to logic?

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Midnyte you retard I think the Americans did more harm to themselves than Jane fucking Fonda did.

Are you completely allergic to logic?

If your definition of logic comes form the same book you get your definition of treason...then....yes....yes I am.