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Sueven wrote:Basically, people have varying degrees of belief regarding the quantity of problems that inherently exist in markets, and varying degrees of faith regarding the ability of the market system to solve these problems on its own. A market fundamentalist would be someone who feels that markets solve their own problems and that markets have very few problems in general, and believes this strongly.
I must have been writing my previous reponse when you posted this but as I said earlier, I think the term gets used to try to establish the other person's position as a matter of "faith" or "belief" rather than a product of reasoning, whether or not there is any justification for that stance.
The attitude can basically be captured by the idea "markets fix everything." It's someone who believes in the value and truth of economic theory to an extent even greater than most economists. It's significantly different, and more radical ideologically, than being a "fiscal conservative" or a "capitalist" and, taken alone, doesn't indicate much about where the individual falls on the American liberal/conservative dichotomy. It's a position that an extreme libertarian might take.

I don't know of many people that think markets are perfect, I certainly don't. But a fair number of people, myself included, think that they are the best mechanism for governing most economic activity. Also I'd just like to say that I am a pretty middle of the road libertarian.
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Sueven wrote:Basically, people have varying degrees of belief regarding the quantity of problems that inherently exist in markets, and varying degrees of faith regarding the ability of the market system to solve these problems on its own. A market fundamentalist would be someone who feels that markets solve their own problems and that markets have very few problems in general, and believes this strongly.

The attitude can basically be captured by the idea "markets fix everything." It's someone who believes in the value and truth of economic theory to an extent even greater than most economists. It's significantly different, and more radical ideologically, than being a "fiscal conservative" or a "capitalist" and, taken alone, doesn't indicate much about where the individual falls on the American liberal/conservative dichotomy. It's a position that an extreme libertarian might take.
so essentially your talking about a fiscal libertarian viewpoint...that not the market itself but the ideals of small government and little government control/restriction is the best fiscal ideology and the market and develope and evolve by the nature of free trade in itself without the government opressing certain factors....
like a fiscal version of social liberalism, another thing i never understood...it seems inheritantly that a "social liberal" such as myself strives to live in a non judgemental open society with little government restriction and legislation of morality that we realize only leadsto growth in government influence and an absense of true freedom, in the same manner that a fiscal conservative, also such as myself or "market fundamentalist" (i dont think the term fundamentalist is too appropriate in that scenario) believe that free trade is in essence the imbodidment of economic freedom
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I'm aware that the semantics of the question could be interpreted in a loaded way. That wasn't the intention. Words like 'faith' and 'belief' simply reflect approaching the issue from a critical standpoint and are not in themselves a criticism of anything.

I wasn't attempting to disagree with your views, just see them. I generally only see you post on economic liberty issues, and generally on the side of freedom and capitalism. I was just curious how far your views went.
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I think it would be easier to come up with good politicians and even that would be tough. 99% of them are crooks.
i couldnt make that thread i dont think i can even name one
The guy from California that allowed same sex marriages, for however short a period of time that it lasted. I've read a couple articles/interviews with him and he seems as close to decent as a politician can be.
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Sueven wrote:I'm aware that the semantics of the question could be interpreted in a loaded way. That wasn't the intention. Words like 'faith' and 'belief' simply reflect approaching the issue from a critical standpoint and are not in themselves a criticism of anything.

I wasn't attempting to disagree with your views, just see them. I generally only see you post on economic liberty issues, and generally on the side of freedom and capitalism. I was just curious how far your views went.
Just to be clear, I am not angry or anything about it, I just don't think its a terribly useful term.
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Just as a side note, if anyone happens to care about Human rights violations, Reagan was infinitely more brutal than Carter.

If that happens to count for anything :roll:
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Kenneth Blackwell or Tom Delay as the worst politician!
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