Marines fixing to kick some ass in Fallujah?

[Forthe]

Liberating Iraq by destroying their cities one at a time, only to have to do it all over again (i.e. Samara). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the most probable end result of all this. We've seen it before.

Why don't you draw it out for us less intelligent folk, oh magnanimous one?

Read your history books.

[Atokal]

And any man who is quoting Churchill, 50 years after the fact, has no perspective.

You Dickless wonder, Churchill was one of histories greatest orators. His speeches are legendary. Perspective pshaw. or what Seebs said.

[Forthe]

And any man who is quoting Churchill, 50 years after the fact, has no perspective.

You Dickless wonder, Churchill was one of histories greatest orators. His speeches are legendary. Perspective pshaw. or what Seebs said.

When he was sober.

[Xzion]

Umm...not be baited too masterly but surely you accept the "Bush hating train" has a couple of good reasons for said hate...

Or do you deny the human rights violations, international relation shattering and general reactionary lunacy?

Not that a country taking a strong defensive stance is evil in itself, more the sickening hypocrisy and blatant spin (thats lying to you and me).

However, maybe I am just a liberal pussy, whatever the fuck that is.

Anyone whos not a fat redneck that supports the war in iraq yet is too much of a coward to volunteer to fight is a "liberal pussy"

[Cartalas]

Umm...not be baited too masterly but surely you accept the "Bush hating train" has a couple of good reasons for said hate...

Or do you deny the human rights violations, international relation shattering and general reactionary lunacy?

Not that a country taking a strong defensive stance is evil in itself, more the sickening hypocrisy and blatant spin (thats lying to you and me).

However, maybe I am just a liberal pussy, whatever the fuck that is.

Anyone whos not a fat redneck that supports the war in iraq yet is too much of a coward to volunteer to fight is a "liberal pussy"

This is comming from a guy who thought Kerry was going to win the election, even went as far as to Guarantee it.

[Atokal]

And any man who is quoting Churchill, 50 years after the fact, has no perspective.

You Dickless wonder, Churchill was one of histories greatest orators. His speeches are legendary. Perspective pshaw. or what Seebs said.

When he was sober.

Always remember that I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me. --Winston Churchill

Sir, you're drunk! --Lady Astor to Winston Churchill; Yes, Madam, I am. But in the morning, I will be sober and you will still be ugly. --His reply

Sorry Forthe he was brilliant drunk or sober.

[Rekaar.]

Liberating Iraq by destroying their cities one at a time, only to have to do it all over again (i.e. Samara). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the most probable end result of all this. We've seen it before.

Why don't you draw it out for us less intelligent folk, oh magnanimous one?

Read your history books.

Nice dodge! 2pts

[Nick]

If only he had been blessed with the wisdom you were graced with eh Cart?

[Aruman]

Sir, you're drunk! --Lady Astor to Winston Churchill; Yes, Madam, I am. But in the morning, I will be sober and you will still be ugly. --His reply

Ouch! THat had to hurt!

[Animale]

To attempt to bring this back on topic... a link to an article in the Boston Globe that shows what the end result of all this fighting is...

http://www.boston.com/news/world/articl ... esistance/

My thoughts are with this poor man's family, and how his even being there has been a tragic, tragic mistake.

Animale

[Dregor Thule]

And any man who is quoting Churchill, 50 years after the fact, has no perspective.

You Dickless wonder, Churchill was one of histories greatest orators. His speeches are legendary. Perspective pshaw. or what Seebs said.

He was one of the greatest orators of his time. It's a different world right now. Liberal and conservative have different implications now.

[Seebs]

Holy shit .. Animale is on to something here. People are dying trying to protect us from people that want to kill us?

Thank Goodness you are still learning things at MIT.

As for that rag the Boston Globe, I liken its slant on the world to judging weight gain by looking in a fun house mirror.

Tangent warning:

NY Times, Boston Globe, LA Times, CNN, etc., Do us all a favor Please show us more dead people when it fits your cause. Why did these groups not harp on, show, replay and catalog the hundreds upon hundreds of people that jumped to their deaths from the WTC? Why? Its simple.

It evokes emotion contrary to the beliefs of the editors of those papers and would perhaps, perhaps, make people more resolved with this military action in Iraq. MOre than 500 people had to make the decision to leap to their deaths from the WTC. More than 500. That horrifies me, especially when I'm in the AMEX building next door to ground zero and wondering wtf those folks were thinking.

They never lost consciousness, they knew what was happening, they saw the Earth meet them. Too graphic for the media they espoused. Too horrifying. It may make people hate those that did this to us. Fuckers.

They can't show that heinous occurrence, or even expound on it but have no problem showing an American soldier breathing its last breath fighting for what 58 million, probably more, Americans think is a just cause. A vast majority of those fighting there think its a just cause, so please spare me with the fucking ideal that you are speaking for that departed soldier.
I have an inkling that the dead soldier would shit in your hat if he met you.

Now please, go back to your equations, your lattes and hopefully the next hotbed of Islamic Apologist in Boston and continue to expound on your Timothy Leary view of the world your pathetic types foster.

Soldiers fight and sometimes die. The fact that this soldier was married is tragic and I pray his family is proud of his service and sacrifice. I pray that his family is not like you and sees something other than injustice, disenfranchisement and US dominance over lesser countries.

The end result of the fighting will be a free Iraq. I'll let you know when this occurs after the elections so you can pull your head out of your ass take a look around, wipe the shit out your ears and re-insert.

Infuriating.

[Dregor Thule]

It's a bit disturbing that your pedo story was more convincing than this statement. Bush won the election, you can stop spouting out the drivel like a good drone and go back to your normal life of happy ignorance.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED ALREADY!

[Rekaar.]

Seebs for President!

[Seebs]

What party line droaning did I spew? Not sure those were on the RNC website, they would not have the stomach to state them.

Accept those thoughts as my own please and respond to them accordingly. Lump me in with others if you will, if it makes disagreeing easier, but contradict them specifically to set me straight.

Honestly, I've changed my positions in the past from healthy debates. Admittedly, flamevault is not the forum for this but do your worst.

As for relating to my Pedo story ... sheesh .. sicko!!

[Winnow]

Ignore Dregor. He hasn't made a counterpoint worth debating in 4 years.

The mdeia has been itching to hear any word of a dead soldier during this recent battle. It's sickening that they are so geared up to plaster a dead american soldier's body on the front page to alter their readers' perception. Seebs comparison point about the massive suicide deaths on 911 not televised is spot on.

Fuck our liberal media that is designed to advance the reporters with the least integrity. FOX news is nothing compared to the overwhelmingly liberal slant our media has fed us the past 40 years.

[Animale]

Need I remind you that 9/11 has nothing to do with our military actions in Iraq? It was horrible that folks decided to jump instead of burn to death. I don't know what I would do in that situation. But bringing up the memory of the 9/11 jumpers has no bearing on whether or not this soldier's family has to suffer. Yeah, he knows his mission blah blah blah... but the point remains, in my eyes, he died in a needless military assault. We shouldn't be in Iraq in the first place. Of course, now that we are there, we need to finish the job that we've bungled, but it doesn't make the war any easier to take knowing that it all wasn't needed.

Animale

[Winnow]

Need I remind you that 9/11 has nothing to do with our military actions in Iraq? It was horrible that folks decided to jump instead of burn to death. I don't know what I would do in that situation. But bringing up the memory of the 9/11 jumpers has no bearing on whether or not this soldier's family has to suffer. Yeah, he knows his mission blah blah blah... but the point remains, in my eyes, he died in a needless military assault. We shouldn't be in Iraq in the first place. Of course, now that we are there, we need to finish the job that we've bungled, but it doesn't make the war any easier to take knowing that it all wasn't needed.

Animale

Iraq has everything to do with 911. Your inability to see past a direct link is your downfall. If you wish, switch the scene to Afghanistan. The liberal media slant is just as prominent.

Use onions to create those fake tears while reporting about our dead soldiers to hide your elation that you might get a promotion over scooping the first pictures of a dead american. Bonus $ if you can get a close up of the family crying hysterically. That's a wrap!

[Lohrno]

Iraq has everything to do with 911. Your inability to see past a direct link is your downfall. If you wish, switch the scene to Afghanistan. The liberal media slant is just as prominent.

Show me conclusive evidence that Iraq funded Al Qaeda. Otherwise I call bullshit.

-=Lohrno

PS: Iraq shelling out money to palestinian suicide bombers does not count. It's no secret that Iraq and Israel are not the greatest of friends, and we have done the same sorts of things many a time.

[Kelshara]

Y Times, Boston Globe, LA Times, CNN, etc., Do us all a favor Please show us more dead people when it fits your cause. Why did these groups not harp on, show, replay and catalog the hundreds upon hundreds of people that jumped to their deaths from the WTC? Why? Its simple.

Not sure what you talk about here. The jumpers on 9/11 have been well documented and has been shown quite a few times on TV, including on the anniversary.

Iraq has everything to do with 911. Your inability to see past a direct link is your downfall. If you wish, switch the scene to Afghanistan. The liberal media slant is just as prominent.

The only link between 9/11 and Iraq is that it gave Bush an excuse to go in. There is nothing else. There was a link between 9/11 and Afghanistan (although not 100% documented until a recent bin Laden tape), however the job that has been done in Afghanistan has been horrible.

[Lynks]

People still believe there is a connection from Iraq to 911...talk about misinformed, no wonder Bush won.

[Nick]

The media in the US is not liberal at all compared the media of other developed nations.

Fact.

[Winnow]

The media in the US is not liberal at all compared the media of other developed nations.

Fact.

That's nothing to be proud of munchkin!

[Lohrno]

That's nothing to be proud of munchkin!

Nice. I am calling bullshit on your assertion that Iraq and the Al Qaeda terrorists were in any way connected. -30 points for dodging.

-=Lohrno

[Nick]

Ok, caught out by laziness

Seriously though, you guys are fed the most conservative tripe I have ever seen since 9/11. If the TV companies over here tried that they would be chased out of the country.

Pro war claptrap and republican agenda pushing has been pumped into the people of the country to such an extent its amazing you can still remember other words or thoughts at all.

Its a sham, and a shame, and anyone who calls that media liberal must, by default, be either brainwashed or a psycho.

Winnow, our views on the word liberal differ, whereas you use it as a derogatory concept designed to insult a political movement I tend to think of it on a personal level (being independant and not affiliated with any official political party) which is:

Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

http://www.dictionary.com

I believe that is something to be proud of, something the rest of the civilized world tends to agree with. We have evolved (at least some of us, in mind) since the days when it was illegal to be gay, slaves were bought and sold, and witches were burned at the stake.

Of course, not all of us have caught up yet~

[Seebs]

BBC journalist weeping over Yassir Arafat ... I agree with Teeny on this one.

I work for the Associated Press for four years, I can honestly say socialism is alive and well in the US of A.

[Sueven]

I also distinctly recall multiple shots of people jumping or falling from buildings.

[Zaelath]

I don't honestly think anything has ever gotten the kind of coverage world-wide of the WTC attack... I recall quite vividly watching it for hours in Australia, and it was on at least 4 out of 5 free-to-air channels from minutes after the first plane hit until hours later, certainly well after the towers collapsed some 2.5 hours later.

[Sionistic]

us media is ok with violence
euro media is ok with sex

theory still in progress

[Hesten]

us media is ok with violence
euro media is ok with sex

theory still in progress

Well, its easily proven.
The US are gun nuts with worlds highest number of gun related killings, but think abortion = bad, and think that prevention = no sex.

Europe we got a lot less gun violence, and we got a more natural feeling about sex .

[Seebs]

Of course we all recall 'some' images of the jumpers for the WTC. There were more than 500. They edited the images but not the sound from the French Journalists movie about 9/11 .. remeber?

All stations were asked to stop showing the images after the initial showing. They were also asked a week later to stop showing the plane striking the building, it was promoting hatred toward certain ethnic groups.


The reason you rememeber what images you saw had to be because that jumper was 'everyman'. There but for the grace of God (for those that believe) go I.

We are left to imagine the incredible carnage of that day, because if we saw it, as a counrty, we would not be so divided on any nation or entity that intended us harm. These images have been filtered. Its all just a number now ... 3,000 killed ... blah blah blah.

I may be worng in the eyes of many of you, but this is my belief in this matter. I'm kinda fixated on it. The words that came out of my mouth as I watched the first WTC fall was 'all political correctness is dead'.

Turned out that only hours after the event PC was alive again and weilded in the hands of news editors that thought some images were too graphic for the public. They did not want to feed the monster.

Okay, Okay, many of you see absolutly no cammon thread between 911 and Iraq. I understand your view .. you want porrf that Saddam bought a ticket for one of those guys. That just did not occur, I acknowledge that.

But after that day, any country that 'appears' to be a threat to us, our way of life and can lead to another type occurance as 9/11 has to be dealt with harshly.
I am pleased to read that more than 500 insurgents have been killed in Falllujah. I am pleased to know 500 more will be killed by week's end. The Iraqui people will soon be able to choose what they want to accomplish. If its a theocracy, so be it, but it was their choice.

Man, what a babble .. my apologies. I don't trust the media or their rationale for sleceting what we all see. That's the point I'm making and the anger I feel.

[Atokal]

Winnow, our views on the word liberal differ, whereas you use it as a derogatory concept designed to insult a political movement I tend to think of it on a personal level (being independant and not affiliated with any official political party) which is:

Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

http://www.dictionary.com

I believe that is something to be proud of, something the rest of the civilized world tends to agree with. We have evolved (at least some of us, in mind) since the days when it was illegal to be gay, slaves were bought and sold, and witches were burned at the stake.

Of course, not all of us have caught up yet~

If you voted for Bush, you can go fuck yourself.

America has only itself to blame for any further attacks.

Yeah you have evolved you fucking moron.

[vn_Tanc]

But after that day, any country that 'appears' to be a threat to us, our way of life and can lead to another type occurance as 9/11 has to be dealt with harshly

If you feel that way then fine.
But us anti war people have said all along that even the "appearence" of Iraq's threat was concocted by people with an agenda. There was no threat. There was, maybe, the possiblity of some potental vague threat at some distant point in the future but the same could be said of pretty much any country.

[Brotha]

NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) An estimated 600 insurgents have been killed since the start of the battle of Fallujah on Monday night, the U.S. military said Thursday.

Yep, kicking some ass.

[Brotha]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/11/inter ... oref=login

FALLUJA, Iraq, Nov. 10 - American marines called in two airstrikes on the pair of dingy three-story buildings squatting along Highway 10 on Wednesday, dropping 500-pound bombs each time. They fired 35 or so 155-millimeter artillery shells, 10 shots from the muzzles of Abrams tanks and perhaps 30,000 rounds from their automatic rifles. The building was a smoking ruin.

But the sniper kept shooting.

He - or they, because no one can count the flitting shadows in this place - kept 150 marines pinned down for the better part of a day. It was a lesson on the nature of the enemy in this hellish warren of rubble-strewn streets. Not all of the insurgents are holy warriors looking for martyrdom. At least a few are highly trained killers who do their job with cold precision and know how to survive.

"The idea is, he just sits up there and eats a sandwich," said Lt. Andy Eckert, "and we go crazy trying to find him."

The contest is a deadly one, and two marines in Company B, First Battalion, Eighth Regiment of the First Marine Expeditionary Force have been killed by snipers in the past two days as the unit advanced just half a mile southward to Highway 10 from a mosque they had taken on Tuesday.

Despite the world-shaking blasts of weaponry as the Americans try to root out the snipers, this is also a contest of wills in which the tension rises to a level that seems unbearable, and then rises again. Marine snipers sit, as motionless as blue herons, for 30 minutes and stare with crazed intensity into the oversized scopes on their guns. If so much as a penumbra brushes across a windowsill, they open up.

With the troops' senses tuned to a high pitch, mundane events become extraordinary. During one bombing, a blue-and-yellow parakeet flew up to a roof of a captured building and fluttered about in tight circles before perching on a slumping power line, to the amazement of the marines assembled there.

On another occasion, the snipers tensed when they heard movement in the direction of a smoldering building. A cat sauntered out, unconcerned with anything but making its rounds in the neighborhood.

"Can I shoot it, sir?" a sniper asked an officer.

"Absolutely not," came the reply.

This day started at about 8 a.m., when the marines left the building where they had been sleeping and headed south toward Highway 10, which runs from east to west and roughly bisects the town. At the corner of Highway 10 and Thurthar, the street they were moving along, was a headquarters building for the Iraqi National Guard that had been taken over by insurgents.

Almost immediately, they came under fire from a sniper in the minaret of a mosque just south of them. Someone in a three-story residential building farther down the street also opened up. The marines made 50-yard dashes and dived for cover, but one of them was cut down, killed on the spot. It was unclear what direction the fatal bullet had come from.

"I don't know who it was," Lt. Steven Berch, leader of the fallen marine's platoon, said of the attacker, "but he was very well trained."

After two hours of bombardment, the sniper at that mosque ceased firing. But just around the corner at the famous blue-domed Khulafah Al Rashid mosque, another sniper was pinning down marines, and airstrikes were called in on it, too. The issue of striking at mosques is so sensitive in the Arab world that the American military later issued a statement saying that the strike on the Khulafah mosque was unavoidable and that precision munitions merely knocked down a minaret.

By noon, the marines had worked their way down to the national guard building, still taking fire from the sniper, or snipers, on the other side of Main Street. Inside was a sign in Arabic that said: "Long live the mujahedeen." Soon the marines had spray-painted another sign over it: "Long live the muj killers."

But for the next five hours, they could not kill whoever was running from window to window and firing at them from the other side of Main Street, despite the expenditure of enormous amounts of ammunition.

"We're not able to see the muzzle flashes," said Capt. Read Omohundro, the company commander. "As a result," he said, "we end up expending a lot of ammunition trying to get the snipers."

At one point, they thought that they had a bead on someone running back and forth between the two buildings. Then Capt. Christopher Spears exclaimed: "He's on a bike!"

And somehow, through a volley of gunfire, whoever it was got away.

At 5 p.m., the marines finally crossed Highway 10 and searched the smoking remains of the two buildings. At 5:30 p.m., a sniper opened up on them.

[noel]

Brotha, do you have a point, or are you just masturbating to the thought of armed combat?

[Brotha]

Brotha, do you have a point, or are you just masturbating to the thought of armed combat?

Yeah because masturbation is funny. You're a fucking piece of shit.

[noel]

Brotha, do you have a point, or are you just masturbating to the thought of armed combat?

Yeah because masturbation is funny. You're a fucking piece of shit.

SO IS WAR!!! OMFG LET'S ROLLL!!!!!

Edit: PS Masturbation would be hilarious in a clown suit!

So again I say... do you have a point, or are you still so young and stupid that you think that's fucking cool? 600 people killed FUCK YEAH!!!

America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,
America, FUCK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too,
America, FUCK YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, FUCK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow

[Seebs]

To be even more clear Tranc ... any threat to us and Israel.

If Iraq had WMD and hit Israel agan, there would be loads of black glass where Iraq once stood.

[Sueven]

I'm confused too. It was an interesting article, but what's the relevance? Was it just posted because it's interesting?

[Hesten]

To be even more clear Tranc ... any threat to us and Israel.

If Iraq had WMD and hit Israel agan, there would be loads of black glass where Iraq once stood.

Yes, but since iraq did NOT have WMDs, although your idiot of a president lied to you about that, thats nto really relevant.
Whats relevant is a unneeded war, killing 100K+ people, ALL the original reasons for the war proven to be wrong, and some of you STILL think its a good idea to have that war going on.

[Seebs]

Hesten,

When your country becomes relevant we'll give you a call. Now back to the sidelines on world affairs with you. KK thanks.

[Hesten]

Hesten,

When your country becomes relevant we'll give you a call. Now back to the sidelines on world affairs with you. KK thanks.

And that come from a guy who voted for the president who dont know that Africa is a continent, the president who didnt know (and still wouldnt admit after being corrected) that sweden got an army, the president that managed to alienate most of the world in just 4 years.

And when looking at the polls for what the average american believe in (like that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 and had WMDs just as an example), i would say its the US that need to stay out of world affairs, since both president and over half the country know less about the world than the average american. And the rest of the US that know more voted for Kerry.

Oh, and btw, since you probably didnt know, Denmark (unfortunately, bad move for the current government, which i dont support btw) are your allies, and did send soldiers (and for god knows what reason, a submarine) to help in the war. Dont think thats gonna happen when Bush attack the next country. Youre gonna feel VERY alone in the world with no support from anyone.

[Rekaar.]

all of that doesn't change the fact that you're irrelevant, personally =/

[Aruman]

i would say its the US that need to stay out of world affairs

Hypothetical:

1. US becomes isolationist.
2. Quits giving financial aid to other countries, the money is better spent on US needs
3. Quits providing emergency aid to other countries. See #2
4. Pulls out of NATO and the UN. Let's mind our own business.
5. Pulls all of our military from every location back to the United States. Better to defend our own borders, after all.
6. Becomes indifferent to world events. Who cares what happens to everone else.

Watch how fast world affairs deteriorate.

Yeah, the United States are the bad guys.

Unfortunatley for your idea, a large number of people in the United States DO care what happens in the world around them and are willing to pay higher taxes to fund their beliefs.

Imagine what our tax rates would be like if we didn't participate in #2-5, not to mention whatever else I may have missed.

[Seebs]

Isn't Denmark in Africa?

[Kelshara]

But after that day, any country that 'appears' to be a threat to us, our way of life and can lead to another type occurance as 9/11 has to be dealt with harshly.

That is a pretty scary thought. So basically "proof" can be fabricated about any country and you would blindly go along with it? If so, better get ready.. if you keep heading in that direction you'll have to invade most of the world.

To be even more clear Tranc ... any threat to us and Israel.

Fuck Israel. They are no better than the countries you're invading.

When your country becomes relevant we'll give you a call. Now back to the sidelines on world affairs with you. KK thanks.

And it is this attitude that makes more and more parts of the world hate the US. Congrats, you are a worthless piece of shit. Go join up and get shot, it would do the world a service (and most likely your family as well).

Brotha, do you have a point, or are you just masturbating to the thought of armed combat?

From what I recall he drooled all over joining the Marines. They most likely denied him so now he is stuck here giving himself personal satisfaction while screaming "LET'S ROLL!"

[Zaelath]

i would say its the US that need to stay out of world affairs

Hypothetical:

1. US becomes isolationist.
2. Quits giving financial aid to other countries, the money is better spent on US needs
3. Quits providing emergency aid to other countries. See #2
4. Pulls out of NATO and the UN. Let's mind our own business.
5. Pulls all of our military from every location back to the United States. Better to defend our own borders, after all.
6. Becomes indifferent to world events. Who cares what happens to everone else.

Watch how fast world affairs deteriorate.

Yeah, the United States are the bad guys.

Unfortunatley for your idea, a large number of people in the United States DO care what happens in the world around them and are willing to pay higher taxes to fund their beliefs.

Imagine what our tax rates would be like if we didn't participate in #2-5, not to mention whatever else I may have missed.

Good luck with cutting ties with the rest of the world, you produce 5.9 million barrels of oil/day and consume 20 million.

There are a lot of good people in the US, a lot of them might even vote republican, but your stewardship in the form of foreign aid isn't entirely altruistic.

[Kargyle]

Hypothetical:

1. US becomes isolationist.
2. Quits giving financial aid to other countries, the money is better spent on US needs
3. Quits providing emergency aid to other countries. See #2
4. Pulls out of NATO and the UN. Let's mind our own business.
5. Pulls all of our military from every location back to the United States. Better to defend our own borders, after all.
6. Becomes indifferent to world events. Who cares what happens to everone else.

Watch how fast world affairs deteriorate.

Yeah, the United States are the bad guys.

Unfortunatley for your idea, a large number of people in the United States DO care what happens in the world around them and are willing to pay higher taxes to fund their beliefs.

Imagine what our tax rates would be like if we didn't participate in #2-5, not to mention whatever else I may have missed.

I actually think European power would solidify in the absence of American intervention in world affairs. I think America mostly intervenes to protect American status, and our ability to dominate the global market. After all, it was ending America's isolationist tendancy that made America a super power. Don't think that the people running the show have forgetten that.

But after that day, any country that 'appears' to be a threat to us, our way of life and can lead to another type occurance as 9/11 has to be dealt with harshly.

If this is the case, then we should be bombing the shit out of China and Europe right now. The economic challenge that China and the Europeans Union will eventually pose to American business in the global market are a far bigger threat to our way of life than anything Iraq could have considered. Not to mention, if you take the long view, any and every country in the world could be a threat to America at some point in the future, so we better get busy

[Cotto]

Edit: nm