Iraqi soccer team speaks out against Bush

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » August 22, 2004, 9:27 am

come on people, use the "Ignore" feature.

anyway, i continue ot be of the opinion that the better the Iraqi soccer team does, the better it is for the US.

it is much better for the Iraqis to have as something to feel good about their national spirit, a sporting event, than a cleric holed up in a mosque with his private militia.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 22, 2004, 9:41 am

Hey look, an opposing view point. I better use the ignore feature or slam the guy with lots of labels.

Drolgin Steingrinder · August 22, 2004, 10:19 am

Midnyte, there's a difference between taking an opposing stance and calling each and every practicioner of Islam a nazi killer.

I don't know if you can wrap your brain around that concept, but...try.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 22, 2004, 1:49 pm

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:Midnyte, there's a difference between taking an opposing stance and calling each and every practicioner of Islam a nazi killer.

I don't know if you can wrap your brain around that concept, but...try.

In the past 100 years, does Islam have a continual history of violence?

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 22, 2004, 2:42 pm

Islam has a less bloody past than Christianity, and the fact that you call his posting of that piece of garbage picture an opposing viewpoint just proves what a complete retard you are. You disgust me.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 22, 2004, 2:48 pm

Kelshara wrote:Islam has a less bloody past than Christianity, and the fact that you call his posting of that piece of garbage picture an opposing viewpoint just proves what a complete retard you are. You disgust me.

The fact you can't take the time to discuss his opposing viewpoint, points out what a close minded piece of shit you are.

Try and answer my question. I asked about hte last 100 years, to keep it relevant. In the past 100 years does Islam have a continual history of violence?

Drolgin Steingrinder · August 22, 2004, 2:51 pm

Compared to what?

In the past 1500 years, the past 800 years, the past 300 or the past 100 years, do western, predominantly christian, countries have a continual history of violence? A history of arrogant colonialism?

You expect people to know that not all Americans are like those 'pussy liberals' you so detest - yet it's fine for you to make blanket statements about an entire religion which in spirit is based on the exact same principles as Christianity?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 22, 2004, 2:52 pm

Kelshara wrote:Islam has a less bloody past than Christianity, and the fact that you call his posting of that piece of garbage picture an opposing viewpoint just proves what a complete retard you are. You disgust me.

The following are only some of the verses in the Qur'an that can and have been used in the history of Islam in support of violence in the name of God and the glories of martyrdom in a holy war.

2:190-193 "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you ... And slay them wherever ye catch them ... And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God ..."

2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth and ye know not."

2:224 "Then fight in the cause of God and know that God heareth and knoweth all things."

3:157-158 "And if ye are slain or die in the way of God, forgiveness and mercy from God are far better than all they could amass. And if ye die, or are slain, Lo! It is unto God that ye are brought together."

3:169 "Think not of those who are slain in God's way as dead. Nay, they live finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord."

3:195 "... Those who have ... fought or been slain, verily I will blot out from them their iniquities and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath; a reward from the presence of God ..."

4:101 "... For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."

4:74, 75 "Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of God whether he is slain or gets victory, soon shall we give him a reward of great (value). Those who believe fight in the cause of God and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil, so fight ye against the friends of Satan, feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."

4:89 "They but wish that ye should reject faith as they do, and thus be on the same footing as they. But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God. But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them…"

4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at (at home) and receive no hurt and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home).

5:36 "The punishment of those who wage war against God and His apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter."

5:54 "O ye who believe. Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."

8:12-17 "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them. This because they contend against God and his apostle. If any contend against God and his apostle, God is strict in punishment ... O ye who believe. When ye meet the unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day, unless it be a stratagem of war ... he draws on himself the wrath of God and his abode is Hell, an evil refuge (indeed)."

8:59-60 "Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly). They will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know ..."

8:65 "O apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred. If a hundred they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers, for these are a people without understanding."

9:5 "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ..."

9:14 "Fight them, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame ..."

9:29 "Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and his apostle nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

47:4 "Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks, at length when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them) ... but if it had been God's will, he could certainly have exacted retribution from them (himself), but (he lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of God, he will never let their deeds be lost."

61:4 "Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."

These sound like an excellent foundation for a peaceful religion. uh-huh

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 22, 2004, 2:53 pm

Real Islam? Nope. Extremists who doesn't follow the religion? Maybe, although there have been some nasty events done by Christians as well. Then again, I am not stupid enough to equate what an extremist who doesn't follow the religion with all Muslims any more than I equate McVeigh and Nichols (or your local KKK club I am sure you are aquainted with) to all Americans.

And no.. I wont take time to debate the piece of shit graphics he posted. I am sure you got a hard-on by seeing it though.

Drolgin Steingrinder · August 22, 2004, 2:56 pm

Wow, I just wasted my 2000th post arguing on a thread like this. That's very descriptive of my VV career, I fear

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 22, 2004, 2:57 pm

Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:Compared to what?

In the past 1500 years, the past 800 years, the past 300 or the past 100 years, do western, predominantly christian, countries have a continual history of violence? A history of arrogant colonialism?

You expect people to know that not all Americans are like those 'pussy liberals' you so detest - yet it's fine for you to make blanket statements about an entire religion which in spirit is based on the exact same principles as Christianity?

When I read parts of the Quran, I don't see the similarities. I also don't give a fuck about 1000 years ago. In our time, past 100 years, I feel is relevant. I just don't see people trying to take over others lands in the name of Christianity. I don't see mass genocide in the name of Christianity.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 22, 2004, 2:59 pm

Kelshara wrote:Real Islam? Nope. Extremists who doesn't follow the religion? Maybe, although there have been some nasty events done by Christians as well. Then again, I am not stupid enough to equate what an extremist who doesn't follow the religion with all Muslims any more than I equate McVeigh and Nichols (or your local KKK club I am sure you are aquainted with) to all Americans.

And no.. I wont take time to debate the piece of shit graphics he posted. I am sure you got a hard-on by seeing it though.

I'm sorry but I don't get sexually excited about reading violent quotes from a religions bible.

Instead of bashing, why can't you look and comment on the facts.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 22, 2004, 3:03 pm

Utchoomawa wrote:

'nuff said

Show me the fact.

Show me the religions bible in there.

And yeah I highly espect you to get sexually excited over that picture. It is just down your bigoted racist alley.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 22, 2004, 3:12 pm

Kelshara wrote:
Utchoomawa wrote:

'nuff said
Show me the fact.

Show me the religions bible in there.

And yeah I highly espect you to get sexually excited over that picture. It is just down your bigoted racist alley.

I feel bad for you. What a small portion of the world you see with such a closed mind you have. So sad.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 22, 2004, 3:14 pm

Well, show him the fact you fucking idiot. Don't evade the question.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 22, 2004, 3:16 pm

Lynks wrote:Well, show him the fact you fucking idiot. Don't evade the question.

I quoted from the Quran, you fucking idiot and asked a fuckign question. RIF !

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 22, 2004, 3:17 pm

The Muslims Palestinians have a continuos war of terrorism against Israel.
In Sudan, Africa, the Muslim government of the north have already killed over one million Christians in the south.
Algeria is wracked by bitter fighting between Islamic Fundamentalists and the military.
Nigeria is in the midst of a civil war between Moslems and Christians.
In Kenya the Islamic Party has declared Holy War on the government.
Colonel Khaddafy and his Libyan army have carried out numerous military excursions into neighboring Chad, and, like Aphganistan and Iran, is the basis for terrorism plots.
In Turkey the secular Muslim government is being challenged by militant Refah Islamic Party.
A war also rages between Christian Ethiopia and Muslim Eritrea.
The fight between Christian Armenians and Muslim Azerbaijans ( 35,000 casualties), after which tiny Armenia was shrunk further because of territory "gained" by the "breeding-with-a-vengeance" Muslims population.
A war between the Christian Serbs and the Muslim Albanians could spark at any moment.
Muslims in Chechnya, Daghestan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan have ignited insurrection against the pro-Russian regimes.
Two articles in the L.A. Times wrote about Muslims in Indonesia forcing Christians of all denominations to convert to Islam or get their throats slit. Thousands upon thousands of Christians have been first converted, and then sexually mutilated with kitchen knives and razor blades to make them conform to Muslim standards. Afterwards, they are enslaved to their local Muslim chieftain. This was not some aberration of Islam, but rather business as usual for all but the moderate factions. They have a history of murder, terror, lies and brainwashing to advance their cause of global conversion and subjugation... Their Jihad!.

Unfortunately, most people aren’t aware of this murderous philosophy, or they find it too monstrous to believe...

But The history of Islam all along the centuries has been this:

There is nothing between us and you except three things:
1- Embrace Islam, become our brethren and you will have what we have.
2- If you refuse that, you are obligated to pay tribute with humiliation (the Jizya or poll tax).
3- Or War...or terrorism... or suicide bombers...
4- And, on top of that, all kind of internal struggles between Muslim against Muslim, even assassinations

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 22, 2004, 3:31 pm

I feel bad for you. What a small portion of the world you see with such a closed mind you have. So sad.

You truly are an idiot. You have so far avoided everything I said. My post was against the graphics and the idiot who posted it. You defended it and called it "opposing view". What is next, you'll defend Hitler? With the way you are heading I wouldn't be surprised one bit if you did. The holocaust didn't really happen, did it, Midnyte?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 22, 2004, 4:11 pm

Kelshara wrote:
I feel bad for you. What a small portion of the world you see with such a closed mind you have. So sad.
You truly are an idiot. You have so far avoided everything I said. My post was against the graphics and the idiot who posted it. You defended it and called it "opposing view". What is next, you'll defend Hitler? With the way you are heading I wouldn't be surprised one bit if you did. The holocaust didn't really happen, did it, Midnyte?

No actually it did happen. I find it amusing how you shun that picture so fast, without realizing how it is so easy for someone to draw that correlation. In the last 100 years (getting tired of typing it) does Islam have a history of violence? The answer for you retards is yes. More so than any other religion, in the LAST 100 years. Making it in many peoples eyes, a religion that promotes violence.

Read the exerpts from the Quran. Read about their history in the last 10 years, if you wish.

Is every follower of Islam violent? No of course not. Enough of them are and enough of their teachings promote it, to justify such a symbol being created.

Now, would you like to continue dodging my point, by saying I'm dodging yours? Or would you like to discuss what I just stated a few times now, but your simple little mind needed me to spell it all out for you.

Rasspotari · Post by **Rasspotari** » August 22, 2004, 4:25 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Kelshara wrote:
I feel bad for you. What a small portion of the world you see with such a closed mind you have. So sad.
You truly are an idiot. You have so far avoided everything I said. My post was against the graphics and the idiot who posted it. You defended it and called it "opposing view". What is next, you'll defend Hitler? With the way you are heading I wouldn't be surprised one bit if you did. The holocaust didn't really happen, did it, Midnyte?
No actually it did happen. I find it amusing how you shun that picture so fast, without realizing how it is so easy for someone to draw that correlation. In the last 100 years (getting tired of typing it) does Islam have a history of violence? The answer for you retards is yes. More so than any other religion, in the LAST 100 years. Making it in many peoples eyes, a religion that promotes violence.

Read the exerpts from the Quran. Read about their history in the last 10 years, if you wish.

Is every follower of Islam violent? No of course not. Enough of them are and enough of their teachings promote it, to justify such a symbol being created.

Now, would you like to continue dodging my point, by saying I'm dodging yours? Or would you like to discuss what I just stated a few times now, but your simple little mind needed me to spell it all out for you.

Midnyte you have no historical backround information on why religous affairs in the middles east are the way they are, and since you dont, making that kind of statements that islam promotes violence more then other religions is ignorant.
not stupid, but ignorant.

read up on it and discover Why things are the way they are there and you will be able to say to yourself "hmm i didn't know that, i was wrong in making a claim of the religion of islam beeing more violent then other religions"

here is a little hint to get you started
-the middle east was once the mecca of civilization, art, culture, wealth and learning.
-they aren't any more, why !
-what was done religiously in islam that wasn't done for christianity for example.

Wonko Wenusberg · Post by **Wonko Wenusberg** » August 22, 2004, 4:29 pm

You really are the biggest idiot I've come across! You constantly demand a debate without slander, and in the end you sit there and write monolouges with ill logics and stupidity beyond Forest Gump.

If you don't give a shit about what happened 1000 years ago to this day I can understand that your reasoning of your realism you declare to be the perfect view is so far away from sanity and reality.

BUUUUURN

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » August 22, 2004, 5:12 pm

Wonko, remember its Midnyte were talking about. To him, there ARE no history 1000 years ago, because the US didnt exist back then, so nothing back then can be relevant.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » August 22, 2004, 5:17 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:Compared to what?

In the past 1500 years, the past 800 years, the past 300 or the past 100 years, do western, predominantly christian, countries have a continual history of violence? A history of arrogant colonialism?

You expect people to know that not all Americans are like those 'pussy liberals' you so detest - yet it's fine for you to make blanket statements about an entire religion which in spirit is based on the exact same principles as Christianity?
When I read parts of the Quran, I don't see the similarities. I also don't give a fuck about 1000 years ago. In our time, past 100 years, I feel is relevant. I just don't see people trying to take over others lands in the name of Christianity. I don't see mass genocide in the name of Christianity.

Like you have ever read the Quran

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 22, 2004, 5:38 pm

Pherr the Dorf wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:Compared to what?

In the past 1500 years, the past 800 years, the past 300 or the past 100 years, do western, predominantly christian, countries have a continual history of violence? A history of arrogant colonialism?

You expect people to know that not all Americans are like those 'pussy liberals' you so detest - yet it's fine for you to make blanket statements about an entire religion which in spirit is based on the exact same principles as Christianity?
When I read parts of the Quran, I don't see the similarities. I also don't give a fuck about 1000 years ago. In our time, past 100 years, I feel is relevant. I just don't see people trying to take over others lands in the name of Christianity. I don't see mass genocide in the name of Christianity.
Like you have ever read the Quran

You guys are fucking pathetic. Do you really think others don't see how you continue to distract from the topic with your negativity and bashing? Are you really that naive?

Unreal.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 22, 2004, 5:46 pm

You mean, the way you keep doing it?

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » August 22, 2004, 5:52 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Pherr the Dorf wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Drolgin Steingrinder wrote:Compared to what?

In the past 1500 years, the past 800 years, the past 300 or the past 100 years, do western, predominantly christian, countries have a continual history of violence? A history of arrogant colonialism?

You expect people to know that not all Americans are like those 'pussy liberals' you so detest - yet it's fine for you to make blanket statements about an entire religion which in spirit is based on the exact same principles as Christianity?
When I read parts of the Quran, I don't see the similarities. I also don't give a fuck about 1000 years ago. In our time, past 100 years, I feel is relevant. I just don't see people trying to take over others lands in the name of Christianity. I don't see mass genocide in the name of Christianity.
Like you have ever read the Quran
You guys are fucking pathetic. Do you really think others don't see how you continue to distract from the topic with your negativity and bashing? Are you really that naive?

Unreal.

Actually no you dipshit, I am trying to show you that those quotes are taken entirely out of context... shall I quote all the fire and brimstone/passover/sodom and gomorrah/etc/etc/etc so they can be taken out of context as well... get a clue

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » August 22, 2004, 5:57 pm

Well, if i didnt think that Midnyte might actually like it, i would dig up that part of the bible that say the women should wear shrouds when out in public, and be stoned for infidelity

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 22, 2004, 6:37 pm

Hesten wrote:Well, if i didnt think that Midnyte might actually like it, i would dig up that part of the bible that say the women should wear shrouds when out in public, and be stoned for infidelity

The part you fail to realize is, Christians aren't living out the very worst parts of their bible. The followers of Islam are. Get a clue.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » August 22, 2004, 6:50 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Hesten wrote:Well, if i didnt think that Midnyte might actually like it, i would dig up that part of the bible that say the women should wear shrouds when out in public, and be stoned for infidelity
The part you fail to realize is, Christians aren't living out the very worst parts of their bible. The followers of Islam are. Get a clue.

Here's a clue, see rawanda

Lohrno · Post by **Lohrno** » August 22, 2004, 6:57 pm

[Show]: Does Torquemada ring a bell?

-=Lohrno

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 22, 2004, 7:05 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Hesten wrote:Well, if i didnt think that Midnyte might actually like it, i would dig up that part of the bible that say the women should wear shrouds when out in public, and be stoned for infidelity
The part you fail to realize is, Christians aren't living out the very worst parts of their bible. The followers of Islam are. Get a clue.

Except for that whole KKK thing....and the gay thing too, but those aren't real people.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 22, 2004, 7:13 pm

The part you fail to realize is, Christians aren't living out the very worst parts of their bible. The followers of Islam are. Get a clue.

Yes every Christian in the world is a saint and every Muslim is a terrorist.

Why did we call you a racist piece of trailertrash bigot again?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 22, 2004, 7:15 pm

Lynks wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Hesten wrote:Well, if i didnt think that Midnyte might actually like it, i would dig up that part of the bible that say the women should wear shrouds when out in public, and be stoned for infidelity
The part you fail to realize is, Christians aren't living out the very worst parts of their bible. The followers of Islam are. Get a clue.
Except for that whole KKK thing....and the gay thing too, but those aren't real people.

OMG is KKK a sub-section within CHristianity? Dude, you write a book and make a fortune with this information.

The gay thing? ROFL. There's a big Gay vs. Christian war going on somewhere in the world? Where's CNN on this thing?

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » August 22, 2004, 7:16 pm

Kelshara wrote: Yes every Christian in the world is a saint and every Muslim is a terrorist.
?

Is that what I said? Nope don't think so. But, what an excellent intelligent reasonable response. I can really see your point. Damn you are a smart cookie. You must be on a debate team or something.

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 22, 2004, 7:32 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lynks wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Hesten wrote:Well, if i didnt think that Midnyte might actually like it, i would dig up that part of the bible that say the women should wear shrouds when out in public, and be stoned for infidelity
The part you fail to realize is, Christians aren't living out the very worst parts of their bible. The followers of Islam are. Get a clue.
Except for that whole KKK thing....and the gay thing too, but those aren't real people.
OMG is KKK a sub-section within CHristianity? Dude, you write a book and make a fortune with this information.

The gay thing? ROFL. There's a big Gay vs. Christian war going on somewhere in the world? Where's CNN on this thing?

hmmm, the new jersey govenor, gay rights protests, gay marriage amendment, mayor in sanfran, mass. new law...its everywhere
Most christians are predjutice against gay people. This is a fact.
Christianity, just like Islam, Judaism etc all open doors to discrimination due to strict ancient interpritations

Oh, how nice of you to accuse everybody of labeling this new predjutice asshole when he started off his posts with "labeling" all Kerry supports and poor, lazy, liberal hippies...good job midnyte

Oh, I also love your defense of..."your so close minded becouse your close minded to close minded racist, predjutice assholes!"
Irony overwhelms the philosophies of the neocons

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 22, 2004, 7:55 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Lynks wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Hesten wrote:Well, if i didnt think that Midnyte might actually like it, i would dig up that part of the bible that say the women should wear shrouds when out in public, and be stoned for infidelity
The part you fail to realize is, Christians aren't living out the very worst parts of their bible. The followers of Islam are. Get a clue.
Except for that whole KKK thing....and the gay thing too, but those aren't real people.
OMG is KKK a sub-section within CHristianity? Dude, you write a book and make a fortune with this information.

The gay thing? ROFL. There's a big Gay vs. Christian war going on somewhere in the world? Where's CNN on this thing?

The point I was trying to make you numbskull is that not all followers of Islam pratice that, only a small group, much like the KKK. And once again, you labeled an entore religion based on the acts of a few people.

Did you understand that or shall I make a drawing that a 2 year old can understand?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » August 22, 2004, 8:06 pm

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:No actually it did happen. I find it amusing how you shun that picture so fast, without realizing how it is so easy for someone to draw that correlation. In the last 100 years (getting tired of typing it) does Islam have a history of violence? The answer for you retards is yes.

Name two non-defensive violent acts performed in the name of Islam in the last 100 years.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » August 22, 2004, 9:54 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:No actually it did happen. I find it amusing how you shun that picture so fast, without realizing how it is so easy for someone to draw that correlation. In the last 100 years (getting tired of typing it) does Islam have a history of violence? The answer for you retards is yes.
Name two non-defensive violent acts performed in the name of Islam in the last 100 years.

Trade Center 1 and Trade Center 2, both performed outside the middle east and leading to further persecution not less. You can quibble all you want, but these were not defensive military strikes to reduce the military capabilities of an enemy they were wanton destruction against civilians of several religions including Islam. It was spoken out against by most Islamic clerics but performed in the name of islam. Any more dumb questions?

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 22, 2004, 9:55 pm

kyoukan wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:No actually it did happen. I find it amusing how you shun that picture so fast, without realizing how it is so easy for someone to draw that correlation. In the last 100 years (getting tired of typing it) does Islam have a history of violence? The answer for you retards is yes.
Name two non-defensive violent acts performed in the name of Islam in the last 100 years.

I'm beginning to suspect Kooky lives in an alternate reality...

Osama Bin Laden wrote:Bin Laden, at times smiling and laughing, says the Sept. 11 attacks benefited Islam. "This event made people think [about true Islam] which benefited Islam greatly," he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/Da ... 11213.html

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 22, 2004, 9:59 pm

Thats probably the reason she asked for 2...

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » August 22, 2004, 10:44 pm

Lynks wrote:Thats probably the reason she asked for 2...

Maybe you should understand something.

For myself, and plenty of my fellow Americans, the operative count is ENOUGH.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » August 22, 2004, 11:12 pm

So that one incident ( as bad as it was ) is enough to state that Islams have a history of violence?

Thats the point we are trying to make.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » August 23, 2004, 12:04 am

It was spoken out against by most Islamic clerics but performed in the name of islam.

Ah but this proves my point perfectly: The extremists don't even follow the teaching and really have nothing to do with true Islam or Muslims. Thank you!

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » August 23, 2004, 12:16 am

Metanis wrote:
Lynks wrote:Thats probably the reason she asked for 2...
Maybe you should understand something.

For myself, and plenty of my fellow Americans, the operative count is ENOUGH.

How about oaklahoma city bombings...if i remember correctly that was performed by a christian fanatic...isnt that enough then?

...what the fuck do you mean "thats enough"...should all american muslims, struggling to make a living and be accepted into a new western culture, facing countless amounts of discrimination and steryptypes be accounted for 9/11?
becouse conservative assholes with THAT mentallity, along with our presidents almost countless failures on the war on terror, AQ is WINNING the war on terror.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 23, 2004, 12:50 am

Dude, you are just as whacked out as the ultra-right-wingers on this board.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » August 23, 2004, 2:46 am

Midnyte, per your request here is some of the info you requested

We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

Imbued with the desire to secure for the German people the great religious, moral, and cultural values rooted in the two Christian Confessions, we have abolished the political organizations but strengthened the religious institutions.
-Adolf Hitler, speaking in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 193

Factual allegations:
Individual Criminal Responsibility (Article 7(1) of the Statute)

According to the Amended Indictment filed on 22 November 2002 and confirmed on 21 April 2004, from 1987 until late 2000, Slobodan Milo{evi} was the dominant political figure in Serbia and the SFRY/FRY. It is alleged that Slobodan Milosevic, acted alone and in the joint criminal enterprise in the following ways:

(a) He exerted effective control over the elements of the Yugoslav People's Army ("JNA") and the Yugoslav Army ("VJ") which participated in the planning, preparation, facilitation and execution of the forcible removal of the majority of non-Serbs, principally Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats, from large areas of Bosnia and Herzegovina

Hitler and Milosevic were both Christian men and rallied their countries to kill or cleanse the non-christian elements from their society. Last time I checked they were around in the last 100 years.

EVERY religion has its extremists. To issue a blanket statement that all Muslims are evil or terrorists is stupid.

Look how many Christians have violated their own beliefs and bombed offices or killed doctors at abortion clinics because they disagreed with what they were doing. Should we claim all Christians bomb abortion clinics?

Trek · Post by **Trek** » August 23, 2004, 2:54 am

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » August 23, 2004, 3:22 am

duh yes becaues its true ever seen a hindu do it?

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » August 23, 2004, 5:48 am

I don't see mass genocide in the name of Christianity

Check out the activities of Christian Phalagist militias in the middle east in the 70s and 80s.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · August 23, 2004, 11:44 am

vn_Tanc wrote:
I don't see mass genocide in the name of Christianity
Check out the activities of Christian Phalagist militias in the middle east in the 70s and 80s.

Thank you VN. Very scary stuff. I'm still concerned with the violent language within the Quran. I think it's something that needs to be watched.