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Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 5, 2004, 8:44 pm

Alright I finally saw this movie. Granted I was contaminated by so many folks saying not to see it, but I actually really enjoyed the movie. No real deep character developement but when you expect them to die there really is no point. However I did find myself hoping certain folks would live. Actually I am kind of bummed that it always seems that there is only a sole survivor in these movies. I'd rather have 3-4 people survive out of 20-30 instead of just 1 out of 20.

I am really glad that Sigourney Weaver wasn't in this thing. I thought it was really cool that Lanced Hendrickson's character had the middle name of Bishop. I saw more than one way for a sequel to happen.

[Show]: Naturally there is the Alien/Predator that pops at the end but I was thinking that maybe the Queen isn't really dead. It survived for a century in ice why can't it survive deep freezing water?

All in all I found enjoyment in the movie (matinee) and only wish it could have been longer.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 5, 2004, 9:20 pm

[Show]: Bishop in the movie is the guy that owned the corp that ended up MAKING the Bishop line of androids.

As for the queen - I have severe doubts she's dead. That was the weakest queen death, ever; there's nothing to stop her from laying eggs underwater (they don't need oxygen to survive) and eventually getting drones able to drag her ass Out..

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 5, 2004, 11:02 pm

[Show]: Remember in the 3rd movie where the alien was a product of a dog host? What is stopping the alien from getting a whale hoste or a penguin? Is that too absurd? If a whale host will it lack bipedal form?

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 5, 2004, 11:56 pm

[Show]: In the comics, the bugs were able to adapt to just about anything; some came with wings, some came out the size of apes. I imagine that the bug will retain limbs, but I also imagine it'd be huge, and would have some difficulty walking.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 7, 2004, 1:39 am

This movie was fucking shit. It was probably the biggest piece of trash to hit theaters since the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. If you don't believe me, watch it again, and then go watch the original Predator, and then watch this movie again. If you still don't agree, then you're fucking wrong.

Farrel · Post by **Farrel** » September 7, 2004, 3:17 am

Akaran_D wrote:
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In the comics, the bugs were able to adapt to just about anything; some came with wings, some came out the size of apes. I imagine that the bug will retain limbs, but I also imagine it'd be huge, and would have some difficulty walking.

the toys were like that too!...

yeah, good ole childhood memories.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 7, 2004, 8:55 am

I loved LXG.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » September 7, 2004, 1:42 pm

Just watched it.. it wasn't that bad. Of course, I wasn't expecting anything from it either. There were a lot of things wrong with it and it could have been much better, but for a rental it's not that bad.. for a download it's even better.. assuming one does that sort of thing.

The instant birth of the aliens was stupid. The lack of that happening to the last predator was also stupid. The Bishop guy being alive (and dying) only proves that the version of him in #2 (?) was another android and that the android lied when it said it was him to Ripley before her swan dive. I was completely disgusted how easily and quickly the first two predators were taken out. That was lame.

The way the queen died leaves a sequel completely open, as if the way the movie ended didn't do that well enough.

Overall it was kind of like The Cube meets Indianna Jones meets Hellboy.

Not worth the theater price, but worth a rental.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » September 7, 2004, 1:58 pm

You're thinking of #3 where he claims he's the real Bishop (at the end). #2 was his introduction where he gets cut in half.

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 7, 2004, 3:07 pm

Siji wrote:Just watched it.. it wasn't that bad. Of course, I wasn't expecting anything from it either. There were a lot of things wrong with it and it could have been much better, but for a rental it's not that bad.. for a download it's even better.. assuming one does that sort of thing.

The instant birth of the aliens was stupid. The lack of that happening to the last predator was also stupid. The Bishop guy being alive (and dying) only proves that the version of him in #2 (?) was another android and that the android lied when it said it was him to Ripley before her swan dive. I was completely disgusted how easily and quickly the first two predators were taken out. That was lame.

The way the queen died leaves a sequel completely open, as if the way the movie ended didn't do that well enough.

Overall it was kind of like The Cube meets Indianna Jones meets Hellboy.

Not worth the theater price, but worth a rental.

Well, it was said that the two preds were young preds who haven't earned their weapons yet... I would assume that they were teenagers with very low skill!

Perhaps a "regular" Predator (like the ones in Pred 1 and 2) aged a bit (maybe 100-500 years+ honing their skills!) and thus, gained OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS more skill. Could be that there is a huge gap of skill,strength and speed from a young teenaged pred to a fully grown "regular" Predator.

I'd like to see an aged Veteran though!

One of those could probably defeat a whole Alien Hive + Queen all by himself!

Without even opening his eyes!

Maybe he earned a Gatling Plasma ShoulderCannon or Two during his years...

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 7, 2004, 4:35 pm

The queen at the bottom of the ocean won't be laying many eggs, as she detatched from her ovipositor and left it in the pyramid.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 7, 2004, 4:36 pm

She grows those things, doesn't she? The queen did it in Aliens 2..

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 7, 2004, 4:37 pm

masteen wrote:The queen at the bottom of the ocean won't be laying many eggs, as she detatched from her ovipositor and left it in the pyramid.

Can their Queens grow new ovipositors by any chance? Maybe a slow process?

Who knows! I know squat about their anatomy!

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 7, 2004, 4:49 pm

Judging from the supports those things need, I don't think a queen can grow one without worker bees to help.

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 7, 2004, 10:18 pm

Paradox time then.
How does a queen lay eggs to hatch more drones without the help of other drones? ALl it takes is a single egg - anywhere - to be expoed to a carrier. Then the resulting larvae that hatches can 'sense' if there are any other queens nearby. If there aren't any.. it grows into a queen, and begins to drop eggs.

If there IS another queen, and for some reason it also decides to grow to be a queen, hell breaks loose.

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 8, 2004, 12:01 pm

Perhaps it's just that simple that if there is already a Queen present withing the sensing-area, the hatchling decides to evolve into something else (warrior etc).

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 8, 2004, 2:30 pm

That doesn't jive. The one that hatched on the Nostromo was clearly the only one around, and yet it was just a regular one. Perhaps after a few more molt cycles, it would have began to develop into a queen. Maybe it just needed to eat enough people to begin the transformation.

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 8, 2004, 2:53 pm

Who knows? I ain't no Xenobiologist, thats fer sure!

Akaran_D · Post by **Akaran_D** » September 8, 2004, 3:34 pm

It's very likely it would have evolved in short order. The events on the Nos only lasted for about what - a few hours after birth?

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 8, 2004, 4:33 pm

Aka

Know anything about the alien race they encountered in Alien 1?

Where they found the facehuggers

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 9, 2004, 5:26 pm

Akaran wrote:I loved LXG.

Clearly, we have quite different taste in movies.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 9, 2004, 6:24 pm

Sueven wrote:
Akaran wrote:I loved LXG.
Clearly, we have quite different taste in movies.

I liked it too. There were far worse movies than AvP.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 10, 2007, 11:02 am

And now for the sequel to the movie that really didn't need a sequel... Yes that's right: Aliens vs Predator (AvP2). Coming your way Christmas 2007!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 10, 2007, 11:40 am

Aslanna wrote:And now for the sequel to the movie that really didn't need a sequel... Yes that's right: Aliens vs Predator (AvP2). Coming your way Christmas 2007!

No, it didn't need a sequel, it needs to be reinvented. That's exactely what the new movie is going to do. Just forget the first one ever existed. I think people are going to be pretty happy with the new one.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » August 10, 2007, 8:24 pm

There is a rejected script for AVP floating around on the internet (http://www.joblo.com I think) that was pretty good. The end product and script were shit for the 04 AVP. I didn't realize that they were reinventing....damn hope so, because AVP really fucking sucked.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 26, 2007, 6:16 pm

Trailer: http://www.avp-r.com/trailer.html

I see dead people.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 26, 2007, 6:45 pm

Aslanna wrote:Trailer: http://www.avp-r.com/trailer.html

I see dead people.

Sweet.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » August 26, 2007, 7:06 pm

It look a hell of a lot better than the first one

. Of course, that wasnt very hard

But having aliens and predators in an urban setting are a LOT more intersting that having them locked inside a temple underneath a few kilometers of ice

Based on that trailer, i would go see this. And thats high praise considering that i will not even consider buying the first AvP, no matter what price its at

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » August 27, 2007, 5:08 am

Yeah, i'm gonna see Requiem for sure.

Predator > Aliens > Terminator

Just like the Zerg, we have to see new strains!

Kithyen · Post by **Kithyen** » October 1, 2007, 3:46 am

The first film sucked a lot of ass (Of many scenes to cause uncontrollable laughter my favorite was the "slow-mo bullettime, whatever you wanna call it shot of the facehuggers flying out of their eggs).

The new trailer -
Aliens? (Check)
Predators? (Check)
Human characters caught in the middle whom you may or may not care if eviscerated? (Check)
R Rating? (Check)
Gore? (Check)

If I'm gonna watch an AvP film with a barely existent plot again it better have the above. The trailer seems to deliver in spades and I'm actually looking foward to this one. Here's hoping they make it entertaining at least. The two directors seem to have a lot of visual effects jobs under their belt (300 to name at least one). At the very least it will "look" cool.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » October 3, 2007, 7:42 pm

Did Akaran die?

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 26, 2007, 2:51 am

Fairweather Pure wrote: No, it didn't need a sequel, it needs to be reinvented. That's exactely what the new movie is going to do. Just forget the first one ever existed. I think people are going to be pretty happy with the new one.

This is the most wrong a person can possibly be

Most of this movie had me on the edge of my seat......ready to leave. This movie made me wish I was watching the first one again. How can you completely fuck up AVP twice? I mean what the fuck. I wish bad things to everyone that did anything at all for this movie, fuck did it piss me off. I really cant remember when I was this pissed at a movie, not even worth a rental...no really.

-2/10

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 26, 2007, 2:53 am

Fuck avp

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 26, 2007, 2:58 am

If you really want to see this movie, take your ~10 bucks, shove it as far up your ass as you can get it and wait for it to come out.

You will probably be more satisfied

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » December 26, 2007, 1:01 pm

My favorite review so far!

It boggles the mind to even contemplate how dreadful “Requiem” is. The map leading to quality was clearly laid out by Anderson’s moronic work with his 2004 installment “AVP,” and any filmmaker with half a brain could’ve manufactured something that restores a little of the glossy ferociousness that marked both the “Alien” and “Predator” franchise over the last three decades with minimal effort. Instead, we meet directorial newcomers Colin and Greg Strause (billed as “The Brothers Strause”), two random FX flunkies who turn this sequel into a vile, joyless, murky, moronic, amateurish, contemptuous, numbing, unintentionally hilarious, and thoroughly diseased motion picture. It’s a perfect film for the Scrooges out there who like their multiplex fodder crude and unrelentingly insulting.

I bashed Anderson’s take on the material for the cartoon directions it turned. After all, reimagining Predators as stubby football linebackers and staging the flaccid action in a series of cheap-looking sets wasn’t exactly an invitation to view filmmaking ingenuity. However, Anderson is Welles compared to the Brothers Strause, who tear through the film without the slightest clue what they’re doing, blindly foraging through the script for the nastiest bits of bodily harm to exploit for the marketing. The boys have no idea how to instruct actors, stage action, explore visual effects, or tell a story. Their function is primarily to oversee madness and somehow pull 80-minutes of tripe together for 20th Century Fox to sell to lenient fanboys flush with holiday cash.

As much derision as the Brothers Strause deserve, there are several components faulty with “Requiem,” starting with the cinematography by Daniel Pearl, who prefers to light his frame with all the illumination power of a birthday candle. If “Requiem” wasn’t horrible enough of a picture to start with, it’s also impossible to view, with entire chunks of the narrative and action lost to total darkness that seems to defeat the purpose of the shiny new R-rating. Instead, the audience has to squint to see the bloodshed or decipher the expressions (and I use that term ironically) on the actors. It’s also futile to figure out what the Aliens and Predators are doing at any given moment of the film. Call me a snob, but I actually enjoying the luxury of watching a movie, not sitting with a black screen listening to a tiresome symphony of hacky sound effects. After shooting “Captivity” and “Pathfinder” this year to equally exasperating results, Daniel Pearl should be run out of the business.

Shane Salerno’s screenplay is another deadly tool of “Requiem,” placing an interstellar war in the middle of a “Saved by the Bell” episode, as one of our “heroes” deals with a bland high school crush and persistent teen bullies. The script is really a patchwork quilt of clichés, with every single human merely a bookmark for later monster consumption. It doesn’t help matters to have bottom-of-the-barrel actors running around the film, but that doesn’t excuse the script’s stupidity and bottom-feeding nature. Oh, Salerno not only uses adults as Alien/Predator prey, but little kids, pregnant women strapped to hospital beds, and even throws in threatened newborns to satisfy his black heart.

Hey, I was as openly hostile as anyone toward the neutered PG-13 rating of “AVP,” but “Requiem” rides its R-rating to bleak horizons, replacing the escapism of the scares with puzzling hostility. The anger culminates in a conclusion that’s as reckless, cynical, and spineless as anything put onscreen this year; a middle-finger to the paying crowd.

Ouch! 14% on rotten tomatoes. Looks like they made quite the stinker, haha! I'm glad I read reviews first!

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » December 26, 2007, 8:29 pm

I'm glad I read this one first. I was bummed that I wouldn't get to go to the movies before the end of the year so I could see this. Now I am happy I can't.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 26, 2007, 10:51 pm

I forgot to mention that this movie sucks

masteen · Post by **masteen** » December 27, 2007, 1:02 pm

I liked Requiem. Maybe the people complaining about darkness saw the film in a shitty theatre, but in digital, it looked great.

Yeah, there were plot holes. Yeah, the acting wasn't exactly Oscar worthy. And yeah, there were some Dawson's Creek elements, but once this beast got rolling, it was all bug hunt, all the time. The Predator was a big bad motherfucker, the aliens were swarming, and the humans were dropping like flies.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 28, 2007, 12:00 am

masteen wrote:I liked Requiem. Maybe the people complaining about darkness saw the film in a shitty theatre, but in digital, it looked great.

Yeah, there were plot holes. Yeah, the acting wasn't exactly Oscar worthy. And yeah, there were some Dawson's Creek elements, but once this beast got rolling, it was all bug hunt, all the time. The Predator was a big bad motherfucker, the aliens were swarming, and the humans were dropping like flies.

lol you smoke pot I bet. You must have fallen into a half daze and dreamed up some good action

masteen · Post by **masteen** » December 28, 2007, 1:31 am

I think your expectations were too high. Your post is reeking of the same nerdrage that a lot of the sites that panned it have. It wasn't as good as the movie you made in your head when you read the comics. No shit?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » December 28, 2007, 1:39 am

Saw the trailer for this today. It looks shit.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » December 28, 2007, 1:49 am

masteen wrote:I think your expectations were too high. Your post is reeking of the same nerdrage that a lot of the sites that panned it have. It wasn't as good as the movie you made in your head when you read the comics. No shit?

Never read the comics and didnt read the sites. I am able to form my own oppinion about this lump of crap. I expect more for my money then some I guess.

(my original post was lost in some freak intarweb freaky triangle thingy)

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » December 28, 2007, 4:56 am

Trek · Post by **Trek** » January 1, 2008, 2:17 am

Looking at the box office numbers, it appears that im not the only one that thinks this movie blows, perhaps they arent horrid numbers but I would have expected a much better showing based on the hype. I expect it will drop off sharply from here on out. How much did it cost to make? I kinda looked around but didnt find anything

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » January 1, 2008, 3:01 am

Trek wrote:Looking at the box office numbers, it appears that im not the only one that thinks this movie blows, perhaps they arent horrid numbers but I would have expected a much better showing based on the hype. I expect it will drop off sharply from here on out. How much did it cost to make? I kinda looked around but didnt find anything

Well, I am also guessing that the advertising budget was not all that great. I have still not seen a single promo, teaser, or preview of the movie. The only reason I knew it was out was this thread.

Taison Earbiter · Post by **Taison Earbiter** » January 1, 2008, 3:13 am

I'm about 99% sure I read the budget for AvP:R was about $40 million (I think the first one was around $60 million). I doubt the advertising budget was too huge, but I saw promos for it fairly often on Fox (mainly during NFL games) the week leading to it's release.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » January 3, 2008, 12:25 am

I really don't see why they even bothered.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » June 4, 2008, 11:27 pm

So, I forgot AvP:R was in my Netflix queue and just finished watching it...sort of. I was doing other stuff with it playing in the background.

What was the deal with the Alien/Predator hybrid thing? Was it just an Alien with a Predator's faceplate on?

Sargeras · Post by **Sargeras** » June 5, 2008, 11:49 am

Boogahz wrote:So, I forgot AvP:R was in my Netflix queue and just finished watching it...sort of. I was doing other stuff with it playing in the background.

What was the deal with the Alien/Predator hybrid thing? Was it just an Alien with a Predator's faceplate on?

If you saw the very last scene of the first AvP, you see the Alien burst out of the chest of the dead Predator that the ship carried off of Earth. I'm guessing Predator DNA is much more sophisticated than human DNA that the Alien actually inherited Predator characteristics.

The maternity ward scene freaked the fuck out of me, and still does to an extent.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » June 5, 2008, 7:29 pm

AVP:R sucked ass

Carry on

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