Heroes Season 2 Discussion *SPOILERS*

Post by **Sylvus** » December 4, 2007, 12:22 pm

I guess I'm not really sure which comic books you guys are used to reading, but the way that the villains have been taken care of in Heroes fits exactly with virtually every comic book ever written. Hero(es) battles villain(s), villain is imprisoned (a la Adam Monroe or Nightmare Man), powers are lost (a la Sylar), or villain is killed in an ambiguous way that allows for the villain's return in the future. There isn't a comic book written (that's hyperbole; there are probably a few) where a villain comes about for one story arc and is then permanently gone.

I don't have a lot of problems with the show; it's still better than virtually everything else on television. Sure, volume 2 could have been better, but the writer's strike totally fucked it up. We went from what was supposed to be 30 episodes this season (including the 5 or 6 Heroes:Origins episodes) down to 11. Not only that, they tried a few things - probably in an attempt to broaden the audience - that Tim Kring acknowledged were the wrong path to go down, but with the strike-shortened season they didn't have a lot of time to make those corrections. Not only that, they didn't have the time to go where they wanted. I think I read that if the strike came about they'd wrap up in 3 episodes; otherwise they'd have around 17 to go where they wanted.

If you don't like it, quit watching it!

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » December 4, 2007, 12:54 pm

Sylvus wrote:I guess I'm not really sure which comic books you guys are used to reading, but the way that the villains have been taken care of in Heroes fits exactly with virtually every comic book ever written. Hero(es) battles villain(s), villain is imprisoned (a la Adam Monroe or Nightmare Man), powers are lost (a la Sylar), or villain is killed in an ambiguous way that allows for the villain's return in the future. There isn't a comic book written (that's hyperbole; there are probably a few) where a villain comes about for one story arc and is then permanently gone.

I don't have a lot of problems with the show; it's still better than virtually everything else on television. Sure, volume 2 could have been better, but the writer's strike totally fucked it up. We went from what was supposed to be 30 episodes this season (including the 5 or 6 Heroes:Origins episodes) down to 11. Not only that, they tried a few things - probably in an attempt to broaden the audience - that Tim Kring acknowledged were the wrong path to go down, but with the strike-shortened season they didn't have a lot of time to make those corrections. Not only that, they didn't have the time to go where they wanted. I think I read that if the strike came about they'd wrap up in 3 episodes; otherwise they'd have around 17 to go where they wanted.

If you don't like it, quit watching it!

And that is precisely what everyone complaining said they will most likely do.

TBH, I was never into comic books and I really don't care how the hero/villain dynamic is in them. I realize this show is supposed to kind of be in that style, but it's very subtle, and it is far from the reason I watch/watched the show. Besides, I think that is a pretty piss poor excuse for how bad the show has gotten. I guess I might be willing to forgive them for the final episode because of the writers strike, but I have to imagine the earlier episodes were mostly written before it happened, so that's no excuse for that crap either. Oh well.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » December 4, 2007, 1:58 pm

I was reading into this season a lot differently. I expected the writers strike to fuck stuff up, however, I thought that instead of chopping down volume 2 to 11 episodes, they were going to go on another one of their famous haituses. And I was cool with that. But to rush out a shit season, when you pulled the same shit (haitus that is) last season, twice, is a let down.

Peter did all that world saving to save a girl they all but forgot about. And now the brother is dead, so do you think he is going to be pumped about going to the future (now that the future is changed) and look for her? And how anticlimatic was the vault scene where Peter got the virus? Yeah, I get the strike and all that, but that storyline was still written by them and not some janitor like it seems. And the easy solution is what I already mentioned above.

I was actually fine with Sylar coming back this season. I already admitted he was the best actor on the show, and looked forward to his scenes. But if they are going to boast about all these other villians just to knock them off as fast as they hype them off, then what's the point? If he is the ultimate supervillain, cool, then bill it as such. He seemed like an afterthought this season, and I can't possibly see what he would want to do to ruin the world next. All of this would have been drastically different if Maya stayed dead and he finished the job with everyone else in that loft.

Don't get me started on Elle or Ned Ryerson. Even though it is looking like Ned is going to be suparvillain_04 in volume 3. And maybe Bennett, but as cool as I thought he was last season and up until he "died" this year, his schtick is getting old, and now he looks to be a bad guy again. How much you want to bet he killed Nathan?!?

Suresh is still alive.

Don't get me wrong, I really want to like this show, I've put up with it this far. And Kring's statement got me excited, which is why I will give it yet another shot (small one) next season/volume, but the reasons above are ruining it for me.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » December 4, 2007, 2:04 pm

They just need some new angles. The Claire/Bennett storyline is wearing way too thin.

I think it would have actually been a great move to have Claire go public with her powers which would create a division among Heroes, some with secret identities and some living it up in the public spotlight.

You now have three "Heroes" that can regenerate. Peter, Adam and Sylar. You also have Claire/Adam's blood which can bring ANYONE back to life. Things start to lose their appeal a bit if you know that anyone can be injected with Claire's blood and be back to normal in five minutes. On top of that, you just bring in the Hatian to mind wipe people if things go wrong. The end result is that there's a lack of finality to anything as you know they'll be back.

I like the show but I don't want to see another 12 episodes of Mr Bennett (or someone else) telling Claire that they need to move and not to do anything that would bring attention to herself.

Mohinder has been reduced to a bumbling fool. They could have made him a much better character and did for an episode where he turned the tables on Sylar.

My question is, where's the focus? There are zero relationships going on in the show to create an interest on that level. An ongoing series needs something to look forward to. You end up not caring too much about the characters. They actually started something with Peter and the Irish chick but wiped that out quickly. Linderman was the mysterious villain that people could speculate about, now there's nothing except knowing Peter and Nathan's mom ordered her son's assassination.

My concern looking forward with Volume Three is that there's nothing to look forward to. Take The Office for example. A big reason to watch that was the tension between Pam and Jim. That was a huge reason to look forward to the next season. The jokes in The Office are still good but there individual relationships have fallen off a bit.

Volume Three needs to introduce a new mystery and new reasons to care about the Heroes involved. Claire/Bennet's family is so fucked up now, who really cares what happens? Something needs to change, and Claire going public would be a new twist, especially if she's accepted as a "superstar" for awhile, and then they can change the tone later when the public discovers the evil types like Sylar.

And Ando was a complete waste this entire Volume. His role was great as a supporting character to Hiro, trying to understand his powers. Now, he really doesn't fit in anywhere. They should have killed him to build Hiro's character and toughen him up.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » December 4, 2007, 4:12 pm

Sylar can't regenerate.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » December 4, 2007, 4:37 pm

Zamtuk wrote:Sylar can't regenerate.

No, but he has some of Claire's blood so he can inject himself again as long as he's conscious.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 4, 2007, 4:54 pm

Zamtuk wrote:Sylar can't regenerate.

he can't? didn't his wounds heal automatically when he was in the alley at the very end? right before he figured out that his other powers were coming back?

Post by **Sylvus** » December 4, 2007, 5:18 pm

Boogahz wrote:
Zamtuk wrote:Sylar can't regenerate.
he can't? didn't his wounds heal automatically when he was in the alley at the very end? right before he figured out that his other powers were coming back?

That was because of Claire's blood, which also brought his powers back.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » December 4, 2007, 5:19 pm

Sylvus beat me by a minute!

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 4, 2007, 5:21 pm

yeah, I would imagine that means he will regenerate from then on...then again, they never actually tested it on anyone for any extended amount of time.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » December 4, 2007, 5:26 pm

Didn't he need their brains or something to get power? I would hate to think he did all that decapitation stuff for nothing if he could just absorb it.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 4, 2007, 5:29 pm

Zamtuk wrote:Didn't he need their brains or something to get power? I would hate to think he did all that decapitation stuff for nothing if he could just absorb it.

That's how he got their powers before, and that's actually what bothers me most about him healing in the alley. Wasn't most of Season one about stopping him from getting Claire's powers? Now they've injected him with her blood and he was healing from his fall/scuffle with Barbie?

Post by **Sylvus** » December 4, 2007, 5:46 pm

Boogahz wrote:
Zamtuk wrote:Didn't he need their brains or something to get power? I would hate to think he did all that decapitation stuff for nothing if he could just absorb it.
That's how he got their powers before, and that's actually what bothers me most about him healing in the alley. Wasn't most of Season one about stopping him from getting Claire's powers? Now they've injected him with her blood and he was healing from his fall/scuffle with Barbie?

I viewed Claire's blood working on Sylar the same way it worked on Nathan Petrelli or Horn-Rimmed Glasses. Once injured, an injection will cure you of your injuries. I don't think it will turn you immortal like Claire or Adam Monroe.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 4, 2007, 5:48 pm

Sylvus wrote:
Boogahz wrote:
Zamtuk wrote:Didn't he need their brains or something to get power? I would hate to think he did all that decapitation stuff for nothing if he could just absorb it.
That's how he got their powers before, and that's actually what bothers me most about him healing in the alley. Wasn't most of Season one about stopping him from getting Claire's powers? Now they've injected him with her blood and he was healing from his fall/scuffle with Barbie?
I viewed Claire's blood working on Sylar the same way it worked on Nathan Petrelli or Horn-Rimmed Glasses. Once injured, an injection will cure you of your injuries. I don't think it will turn you immortal like Claire or Adam Monroe.

Yeah, but Sylar didn't get those injuries until after he was injected, where the other two were injured before. The one thing that stood out was that his injuries didn't heal completely like they did for those who were injected while already injured (Maya, HRG, etc).

Post by **Sylvus** » December 4, 2007, 5:59 pm

Boogahz wrote:
Sylvus wrote:
Boogahz wrote:
Zamtuk wrote:Didn't he need their brains or something to get power? I would hate to think he did all that decapitation stuff for nothing if he could just absorb it.
That's how he got their powers before, and that's actually what bothers me most about him healing in the alley. Wasn't most of Season one about stopping him from getting Claire's powers? Now they've injected him with her blood and he was healing from his fall/scuffle with Barbie?
I viewed Claire's blood working on Sylar the same way it worked on Nathan Petrelli or Horn-Rimmed Glasses. Once injured, an injection will cure you of your injuries. I don't think it will turn you immortal like Claire or Adam Monroe.
Yeah, but Sylar didn't get those injuries until after he was injected, where the other two were injured before. The one thing that stood out was that his injuries didn't heal completely like they did for those who were injected while already injured (Maya, HRG, etc).

How do you mean? The timeline is thus:

Sylar kills South American Girl (Mya?)
Sylar tells Mohinder to shoot her up with Claire's blood so he can see if it cures her
Veronica Mars (Elle) busts in and starts shooting lighting
Sylar runs out of the room
Mohinder realizes that Sylar stole his case with the blood and syringe in it and is like "wtf, pwnd?!? "
Flash to cut up and bruised Sylar sitting in the alley
Sylar shoots up
Cuts and bruises heal
~~Popeye~~ Sylar telekinesises a can of spinach to his hand

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 4, 2007, 6:11 pm

ahhh, I must have looked away when it came to Sylar shooting up. I do remember that my cable box switched to another program being recorded in the last minute or two, and I had to switch back manually. I really need to remember to disable that auto-tune feature ><

Morgrym · Post by **Morgrym** » December 5, 2007, 9:47 am

There will probably be enough of Adam's 400 yr old blood left in Nathan to heal him over time. I am sick of Sylar, give us something new already! I was really hoping for something better when Sylar got taken into the sewer at the end of the first season (that plot went no where). There is room for so much potential but it is being strangled by the flood of information.

Momopi · Post by **Momopi** » December 5, 2007, 2:59 pm

Is there a date for the next episode or is it next week or something?

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 5, 2007, 3:16 pm

Momopi wrote:Is there a date for the next episode or is it next week or something?

Is there even a firm date? I am pretty sure it is weeks/months away even if the writer's strike ends.

Post by **Sylvus** » December 5, 2007, 3:19 pm

Yeah, at some point at the end of the last episode, it said something about "When Heroes returns in 2008..." I'm taking that to mean after the writer's strike sometime.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » December 11, 2007, 3:43 pm

OKAY. I'm finally caught up. (Netflix has all the released Season 2 episodes available for instant viewing)

I didnt read every post, but it seems like a lot of people are disappointed so far. A pox on you, I say! I think Season 2 is great. It may not be as good as Season 1, but that doesn't mean its crap (see how that works?).

The best moment for me personally was seeing Kristen Bell the first time. Mind you that I've been avoiding spoilers so much that I had no idea she had joined the cast until I saw her. I was a huge VMars fan and almost peed my pants. (I loves her) Anyway, I hope they keep her around and develop her character more. I love the direction they're going with the attention whore, daddy doesn't love me bit. She's a perfect foil to Claire and if she continues to recognize that Claire has everything she wants, her jealousy and rage (and fruit-loop-i-ness!) could develop her into a bad ass chick villian. I just hope they don't ruin it by letting Noah (Claire's dad) get her to turn on her father and become a "good guy." There was one scene where it looked like it was heading that direction.

The can of spinach made me lol. I'm glad Sylar's back. I suspect he'll be around a long time while seasonal villians come and go. I wish they'd sex him up a bit, lol. For awhile I thought he genuinely wanted Maya, but his lust was after her power alone. Asexual villians are no fun!

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » December 11, 2007, 3:50 pm

Lalanae wrote:OKAY. I'm finally caught up. (Netflix has all the released Season 2 episodes available for instant viewing)

I didnt read every post, but it seems like a lot of people are disappointed so far. A pox on you, I say! I think Season 2 is great. It may not be as good as Season 1, but that doesn't mean its crap (see how that works?).

The best moment for me personally was seeing Kristen Bell the first time. Mind you that I've been avoiding spoilers so much that I had no idea she had joined the cast until I saw her. I was a huge VMars fan and almost peed my pants. (I loves her) Anyway, I hope they keep her around and develop her character more. I love the direction they're going with the attention whore, daddy doesn't love me bit. She's a perfect foil to Claire and if she continues to recognize that Claire has everything she wants, her jealousy and rage (and fruit-loop-i-ness!) could develop her into a bad ass chick villian. I just hope they don't ruin it by letting Noah (Claire's dad) get her to turn on her father and become a "good guy." There was one scene where it looked like it was heading that direction.

The can of spinach made me lol. I'm glad Sylar's back. I suspect he'll be around a long time while seasonal villians come and go. I wish they'd sex him up a bit, lol. For awhile I thought he genuinely wanted Maya, but his lust was after her power alone. Asexual villians are no fun!

Well someone has to like it.. I think you are now on the list with midnyte, and maybe one or two others that didn't think season two sucked (correct me if I'm wrong.) When I say it sucked, I'm not saying it sucked in comparison to season 1, I'm saying that season 2 sucked so bad that had I known this ahead of time, I wouldn't have watched it at all.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » December 11, 2007, 3:52 pm

Lalanae wrote:I didnt read every post, but it seems like a lot of people are disappointed so far. A pox on you, I say! I think Season 2 is great. It may not be as good as Season 1, but that doesn't mean its crap (see how that works?).

I see how it works. Doesn't change the fact I, and a lot of other people, were disappointed by Season 2 and thought it was mostly a waste of time. See how that works?

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 11, 2007, 4:28 pm

I wasn't disappointed with Season two. I was disappointed with the end of Season two. I blame the writers.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » December 11, 2007, 5:00 pm

Season two was nowhere near as good as season one but it was watchable for sure.

My main disappointment is that many of the main characters lost their focus or became less interesting. Peter became a dimwit. Hiro's journey back in time was a snoozer. Ando was completely useless and really could have been written out of the show. Blaire did nothing of interest up until the last one or two shows of the season. Not much out of Nicki. Adam wasn't that great of a villain. Sylar and the hispanic brother and sister sucked.

Still watchable but disappointing when compared to season one. I'm looking forward to more HEROES though. It's the type of show that can rebound easily.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » December 12, 2007, 12:03 pm

For me, the highlight of Heroes Fall'07 was Parkman's storyline up until he fought his dad in the Company compound.

I thought that Mr. Bennett was also a highlight of the season till now.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » December 12, 2007, 1:32 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Lalanae wrote:I didnt read every post, but it seems like a lot of people are disappointed so far. A pox on you, I say! I think Season 2 is great. It may not be as good as Season 1, but that doesn't mean its crap (see how that works?).
I see how it works. Doesn't change the fact I, and a lot of other people, were disappointed by Season 2 and thought it was mostly a waste of time. See how that works?

That's OK. You historically never have anything good to say about anything, so its par for the course.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » December 12, 2007, 2:22 pm

Lalanae wrote:That's OK. You historically never have anything good to say about anything, so its par for the course.

I had good things to say about Super Mario Galaxy. So no surprise you're wrong there. You don't need to get so defensive just because someone happens to think something you like sucks. It's called an opinion. Apparently you don't see how that works but keep at it and it might come to you someday.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » December 12, 2007, 2:31 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Lalanae wrote:That's OK. You historically never have anything good to say about anything, so its par for the course.
I had good things to say about Super Mario Galaxy. So no surprise you're wrong there. You don't need to get so defensive just because someone happens to think something you like sucks. It's called an opinion. Apparently you don't see how that works but keep at it and it might come to you someday.

I'm not trying to get you on the defensive, so don't take it that way.. but you do tend to not like pretty much anything when it comes to movies/tv shows

However, I couldn't agree with you more in the case of Heroes.

Siji · Post by **Siji** » December 12, 2007, 2:37 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:I'm not trying to get you on the defensive, so don't take it that way..

It's like watching the school wanker trying to offer the cool kid their lunch money without getting beat up in the process.. see how you've scarred him Aslanna? You should be ashamed.

Ontopic: Season 2 was crap.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » December 12, 2007, 2:46 pm

Siji wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:I'm not trying to get you on the defensive, so don't take it that way..
It's like watching the school wanker trying to offer the cool kid their lunch money without getting beat up in the process.. see how you've scarred him Aslanna? You should be ashamed.

Ontopic: Season 2 was crap.

Lol, what is it with you, you can't make a single post recently without being a prick. I am trying to take a lighter approach to things, aka - not resorting to name calling and insults immediately like you are doing, get it?

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » December 12, 2007, 3:27 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:I'm not trying to get you on the defensive, so don't take it that way.. but you do tend to not like pretty much anything when it comes to movies/tv shows However, I couldn't agree with you more in the case of Heroes.

No defensiveness here. However if you peruse the movies/shows I've made comment on you'd see I rate more than a few of them highly. I simply call it as I see it. If I find something crap I have no problem saying so. Maybe I just have a higher standard than some people when it comes to things like that. I tend to like intelligent scripts, decent actors, competent directing and editing, etc etc.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » December 12, 2007, 5:01 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:I'm not trying to get you on the defensive, so don't take it that way.. but you do tend to not like pretty much anything when it comes to movies/tv shows However, I couldn't agree with you more in the case of Heroes.
No defensiveness here. However if you peruse the movies/shows I've made comment on you'd see I rate more than a few of them highly. I simply call it as I see it. If I find something crap I have no problem saying so. Maybe I just have a higher standard than some people when it comes to things like that. I tend to like intelligent scripts, decent actors, competent directing and editing, etc etc.

Fair enough

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » December 13, 2007, 5:48 pm

I don't know if I'd say Volume 2 was a disappointment. I think mistakes were made and there were some very slow/poor story lines in it, but then again Volume 1 had its share of uninteresting story lines.

I agree with the criticisms Tim Kring voiced about it. He drew some stories out too long (Hiro in feudal Japan) and introduced new characters in a less than exciting way (Honduran Wonder Twins, Micah's cousin who I couldn't really care to learn her name). The Nikki storyline in the first volume was boring and seemed to be there solely for the purpose of rigging the election (that was really important! Wait..), and the Nikki/Micah storyline got even worse in v2. I hated the cousin. Hate, hate, hated. Her power was fine, but I found her annoying as fuck. I'm glad Nikki went up in flames, although I'm sure they'll find a way to bring her back. As for the Hondurans, I didn't hate them like most of you did. Ok, I found the brother kind of annoying, but Maya has potential I think.

There were a lot of good things tho. I liked the character of Adam, and his final fate was great. Go Hiro! Peter was much more interesting this season. Parkmans expanding powers and his foreshadowed darker side are definitely piquing my interest. Veronica Mars was the only new character that was introduced really well and I expect she'll be around a lot more. Even West eventually redeemed himself in my eyes from annoying throwaway emo boyfriend for Claire. And hopefully they stop Claire from being such a stupid little shit in v3.

Overall I thought it was a bit of a step back from v1, but not some death toll for the series. I'm very interested in seeing how the next half of the season turns out, and hopefully we find out sometime before 2009.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » December 14, 2007, 2:43 pm

I was thinking about something with Adam. I realize that he is the 'highlander', but does the fact that he is trapped in a coffin with no oxygen have no bearing on him?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » December 14, 2007, 2:58 pm

Zamtuk wrote:I was thinking about something with Adam. I realize that he is the 'highlander', but does the fact that he is trapped in a coffin with no oxygen have no bearing on him?

I doubt it, if they haven't killed Sylars stupid ass yet they aren't going to let Adam go out that easily& quickly. He will get out somehow, sylar will probably dig him up or something stupid like that...

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » December 14, 2007, 6:15 pm

The cousin has a hot body though.
Adam's fate still gives this claustrophobe the shudders. He was a better bad guy in Alias.

I can just picture the writers all playing Champions with the Producer as the Game Master sitting around a table rolling 6 siders to come up with the stories.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 14, 2007, 7:47 pm

Bubba Grizz wrote:The cousin has a hot body though.
Adam's fate still gives this claustrophobe the shudders. He was a better bad guy in Alias.

I can just picture the writers all playing Champions with the Producer as the Game Master sitting around a table rolling 6 siders to come up with the stories.

I miss playing Champions!

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » December 15, 2007, 9:43 am

Adam will just go Kill Bill on the coffin and hit his way out again, we are not done with him.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » December 15, 2007, 9:31 pm

Hesten wrote:Adam will just go Kill Bill on the coffin and hit his way out again, we are not done with him.

Speaking of Adam, doesn't he still need oxygen to live? I would think that Adam would pass out from lack of oxygen fairly soon after being buried in the coffin and basically be permanently unconscious at the very least. I haven't seen Claire or Adam pull off an Aquaman underwater so they need oxygen.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » December 15, 2007, 9:34 pm

Winnow wrote:
Hesten wrote:Adam will just go Kill Bill on the coffin and hit his way out again, we are not done with him.
Speaking of Adam, doesn't he still need oxygen to live? I would think that Adam would pass out from lack of oxygen fairly soon after being buried in the coffin and basically be permanently unconscious at the very least. I haven't seen Claire or Adam pull off an Aquaman underwater so they need oxygen.

Not to mention food and water. He may be immortal but he's still human (just more evolved) you'd think the body would still require basic human sustenance. Ah well.. It's just a show.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » December 15, 2007, 9:51 pm

They seem to have forgotten how much of a comic-geek Hiro is. He would have known that burying Adam alive would not kill him (or keep him trapped for long).

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » December 19, 2007, 8:15 pm

I don't have any real opinion on season 2--I could not follow some of the storylines--kept forgetting about subsequent episodes.

One thing I did notice while watching episode 11 of Deadwood Season 3 is that Adam Monroe has a small part where he talks smack to Bulloch before the election speaches (right before Bulloch gets called back to Deadwood). He's the dude leering in the window eating some food.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » December 19, 2007, 11:56 pm

Speaking of small parts... it's wierd, that chick that played Maya, I saw her last week in a) X-men: Last Stand, and b) Buffy TVSs final season. She was much less annoying in both of those, so I'm going to put it down to writing ><

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » December 24, 2007, 1:31 pm

She was AJ's girlfriend in Sopranos as well.