CNN reports on captured Terrorists..

noel · Post by **noel** » January 3, 2003, 7:00 pm

Hammerstalker PE wrote:OMG all of this BULLSHIT just because Kyoukan is a complete and utter MORON. Canada has been the USA's ally since we kicked your asses in1812 and burned your whitehouse. If you want to attack Kyoukan np but leave the rest of us Canadians that appreciate the USA out of it.

Hehe. For the record I've not been able to find anything on an incident of Canadian friendly-fire.

Like I said in the other thread, I don't see it as any different when any of our allied troops die for any reason. If they're fighting alongside US armed forces, they're my countrymen for all intents and purposes. I mourn their loss and applaud their victories just as I would an American soldier, sailor, or marine.

Vetiria for the record, the English troops based in Canada won that battle, and did in fact burn down our white house.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 3, 2003, 7:08 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:The short list :
1950-1953 Korean war
1958 Lebanon - U.S. helps Lebanese government against rebels

1960's-1972 Vietnam (you may have heard about it in some liberal instruction manual. Fucking loaded with oil they were.)

1965 U.S. helps Dominican Republic stop a rebellion (so much oil theere that I am unsure how we let it go to waste)

1975 Mayaguez - one day hostage rescue in Cambodia

1980 Iran - one day hostage rescue

1982 Lebanon - U.S. helps Lebanese government with wackos from guerillas from Lebanon and Syrian military

1983 Grenada

1989 Panama

1991 Iraq (your weak little mind will relate this purely to oil)

1992 Somalia

1994 Haiti

1999 Kosovo

Fighting teh omg spread of communism, communism, UN, no human being could possibly know why reagan had his corrupt claws in grenada and panama, oil, UN, UN, UN.

Canada was involved in all of those of those actions (and still are in a lot of cases where the US has completely pulled out), except for VietNam, Panama and Grenada. My grandpa fought in Korea, so did my great unlcle, but he was in the navy. Read a fucking history book maybe one time in your life. Try to read one that isn't used in an American high school so you may even get an accurate account.

And if you honestly think that the US did ANYTHING even REMOTELY good for those three countries (vietnam, grenada, panama) then you are high on glue.

Actually I wouldn't mind know why you think you were in those countries. Purely for comedic value.

Now look at that list and tell me which conflicts actually resulted in anything positive and improved the US's international reputation. Only the UN ones. The rest you come off looking like a bunch of boobs.

miir · Post by **miir** » January 3, 2003, 7:13 pm

I also don't understand why certain Canadians have to repeatedly bring up this event to illustrate the incompetence of the American armed forces as though there's never been an incident of friendly fire in the Canadian armed forces

It's not to illustrate incompetence of the American military at all.

It's to illustrate the virtual complete ignorance many (most?) Americans have of Canada.

Dubya is right up there with his lack of acknowldgement of Canadian assistance on Sept 11.

The most heinous example of ignorance was the booing and chanting of U-S-A durign the Canadian national anthem at the April 18 2002 Hockey game between the NY Islanders and Toronto Maple Leafs... and the subsequent burning of the Canadian flag in the Nassau Coliseum parking lot after the game.

It may have just been the action of a few thousand drunken cretins but it reflects poorly on your American society as a whole.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » January 3, 2003, 7:15 pm

Aranuil wrote:Vetiria for the record, the English troops based in Canada won that battle, and did in fact burn down our white house.

I know that, but the arrogance of their generals also caused their huge loss at New Orleans.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 3, 2003, 7:22 pm

Were these Candian forces in a location they were supposed to be in?

Well they were in Afghanistan helping fight a war for a bunch of apparently ungrateful fucking pigs, so no they were not.

Have fun in Iraq "defending freedom" by yourselves.

Hammerstalker PE · Post by **Hammerstalker PE** » January 3, 2003, 7:24 pm

You won that war umm ok Vetiria LOL!

The War of 1812 is one of the forgotten wars of the United States. The war lasted for over two years, and while it ended much like it started; in stalemate; it was in fact a war that once and for all confirmed American Independence. The offensive actions of the United States failed in every attempt to capture Canada. On the other hand, the British army was successfully stopped when it attempted to capture Baltimore and New Orleans. There were a number of American naval victories in which American vessels proved themselves superior to similarly sized British vessels. These victories coming after victories in the Quasi War (an even more forgotten war) launched American naval traditions.

Looks like your contry was invaded pretty deep and the war ended in a stalemate if you can call having your capitol burned to the ground a stalemate.

noel · Post by **noel** » January 3, 2003, 7:32 pm

miir wrote:It may have just been the action of a few thousand drunken cretins but it reflects poorly on your American society as a whole.

You nailed it right there. Remember, we have assholes here who burn our own flag. We have assholes here who cheer when a professional athlete gets a potentially career-ending injury, and we have assholes here who really do think Canada is a country of people living in igloos and doing nothing but drinking and hunting.

Conversely, you have Canadians that think all Americans are like the above examples, that Canadians are all better educated, more intelligent, and have a better quality of life than anyone or anywhere in the US, and frankly that sucks.

There are just as many Canadian idiots as there are American idiots.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » January 3, 2003, 7:45 pm

Why the British burned Washington:

Most Canadians and Americans think that the British burned Washington in 1814 in retaliation for the burning of the provincial parliament buildings at York (Toronto) in April 1813. This is not true. In January 1814, after the Americans had burned Niagara-on-the-Lake and the British had devastated the American side of the Niagara, the British commander-in-chief, Sir George Prevost, issued a proclamation stating that Britain would refrain from such acts in the future if the United States would do the same. All was well until May 1814 when, in an unauthorised action, an American force burnt two small Canadian villages on the north shore of Lake Erie. It was this act that caused Prevost to ask the British admiral commanding the North American fleet to retaliate in kind against the Atlantic coast of the United States and the result was the destruction of public buildings in Washington.

Looks like we got a few burnings in as well : ) yeeee haw!

Sounds like there was a bunch of pyros back then.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » January 3, 2003, 7:49 pm

It ended in stalemate because Britain was actively in war against the French at the same time. They could not devote enough forces to win the war, and the Americans didn't want the war to begin with, so they both ended it.

Look at the same link you pulled that quote off of. Count how many battles the US won vs how many Britain won.

Forthe · Post by **Forthe** » January 3, 2003, 9:09 pm

Aranuil wrote:There are just as many Canadian idiots as there are American idiots.

With the disparity in population size I'm willing to bet there are more american idiots.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » January 3, 2003, 10:08 pm

Even though we are talking about our capital being burned down a few years after we officially became a nation, it still pisses me off. That's a gut check for sure, maybe it pisses me off bigtime because I am a vet, who knows. *sore spot*

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » January 3, 2003, 10:18 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:
This is about as ignorant as I could ever have imagined possible. By this standard, we could also say that Japan, China, Germany, France, etc. all were involved in the Vietnam war. Just because 30,000 people moved out of logging country to be in an industrial nation and served their new country in a war does NOT mean that their previous country was involved.

Kilmoll at most times you are an intelligent person with well thought out arguments. In this case you are an ignorant fucktard. I truly hope that someday the towels you have hanging on the windows of your double wide are opened and daylight shines in.

You sir are the epitomy of my favorite saying... "Americans are the most highly entertained least informed people on the planet."

When 911 occured it was Canada and Canadians who opened there hearts and homes to all the stranded (mostly American) travellers. We sent equipment and personnel to NYC to help with the clean up. Backed your play in many conflicts around the globe.

Our logging country has some of the best technology in the world not bought from america but made right here.
In Toronto where I live we had a grand total of 60 murders in a city of over 3 million people. You have that in a town of 61. So because of your hatred towards Kyoukan you have shown yourself to be the most clueless ballwasher I have had the unpleasant task of reading posts from.

I would rather have my nails ripped out, my tongue nailed to the floor while rabid dogs tried to bite my nuts off than read the pointless shit you post.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » January 3, 2003, 10:19 pm

maybe if something like that pisses you off you should look into getting a hobby or a life or something to distract you from your unbelievably thin skin.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » January 3, 2003, 10:32 pm

Vietnam esculated the way it did to line L.B.J.'s (USA's worse president ever!)pockets who owned big portions of Brown and Root that was contracted for construction of much of the military bases ect. and the longer the war went the more money hed make, (The idiot didnt want to win the war quick.) Then it lost support from the public and then it was finally Nixon that got us out of there.

Also because the China Sea along the North Vietnamese coast holds massive amounts of oil(yes OIL) were US national defense briefs have shown that near the year 2020 the defense department has a very possible scenario drawn up ALREADY were China invades Vietnam and the China Sea to claim the oil reserves there, because they will be in economic instablity due to the lack of oil. (This will trigger off WWIII with US and Russia(suppose to be US's biggest ally in the next 10yrs along with Britain) vs China, and then Pakastan and India will go at it along with Algeria Greece Yugo all the hot spots around the world because the US and UN wont have the capability to police the world and it will be third world countries using nuclear weapons.

This is one of the reasons the US has been supporting and funding and building massive oil infastructure now in the former USSR...to bascially be able to cut off most links from the middle east and actually deal with people ya can talk too, and to bring up a more stable economic conditions around the world...thus more chance in peace, and atleast a less chance in mass war...

Yea oil is important...when nations! go into a depression Wars seem to happen....Oil even if the US and the WORLD push full core toward alternate sources, OIL will still be the driving force for a long long time. Things are planned out for the long term with many scenarios..plans were drawn up for Afganistan and dismantling Al'queda way before 911 happened..Same with Iraq and the eventual toppling of Iran mulahs by there own people. If ya think Im full of shit.... remember reading my post before US went into Afganistan if anyone can dig it up..it basically layed out what we did before we even had a fake plan leaked out to the media??

You dont let 3rd world countries and would be great if NONE had have or get nuclear weapons...need as few countries with that type of capability so less chance of em being used or taken over by hostile regimes. US is a major target, so it would be idiotic for us(The US) to ignore these threats.

One of my favorite movies SGT. York pretty much sumarizes how I feel about all of this BS.. He was against killin , but when he saw german machine gunners blastin away tons and tons of people he used his sniping abilities and began taking out the machine gun nest..You have to take some life if pushed to a certain point in order to save many. Yea ya can war and still be for peace..main thing is ya gotta face reality. Utopia is dead and never was living all it will do is get my family killed by its ignorance if it grows.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » January 4, 2003, 1:53 am

Why does this always happen Is or Is not Canadas one of America's greatest Allied? Is or is not America one of Canadas Greatest Allied? Why do Friends Fight? Plus I like Canadian Whisky.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » January 4, 2003, 4:00 am

Aye Cartalas,
agree