This touched a bit of a nerve. Gay adoption??

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 27, 2002, 1:33 pm

Honestly here, I dont like oral sex. I also don't like / want to try anal sex, I'm just throwing shit out there at this point to run up my post count. Although most to all of what I said has some pertenance. The anus is an exit only and whenever anything goes the wrong way up it, it tends to cause some problems.

I bet in 25 or so years their will be another groundbreaking court case, similar to the one with smokers and cigarette makers, with the slight difference this one is about sodomy. Someone will try to claim this dude that was fucking him / her up the bung hole knew it was bad for him but he had no idea, so he wound up with a slew of lower gastrointestinal problems, ulcerative colitis, IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome), blockage between the lower intestine and the colon(which could cause lack of blood flow effectively collapsing the lower intestinate). Their are more that I'm not able to find at the moment, but if you look around you can find more.

See I gave the arguement about sin for those who believe, then I gave the science bs for those that could care less about religion. This isnt a super new thing, its been around for along time, and I'm just presenting a simple arguement with a series of opinions and opinions from other people, if you dont like it or believe it then put me on ignore. If you choose not to do such then back up your cynical posts with some form of evidence Midnyte, because so far all you have done is bitch and tell me I'm wrong. Tell me why I'm wrong, tell me your explanation or your beliefs. Not that I'm full of shit, if I'm full of shit tell me WHY!

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 27, 2002, 1:35 pm

Voronwë wrote:Kilorn you are arguing religion with somebody who was saying that "christianity and catholicisma do have OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS in common".

now there are probably some snake kissing half-breed no-dancing hayseeds who rattle the walls of their church about how the portal to hell itself rests in Vatican City, but come on....

spoiler: what christianity and catholicism have in common is that the only form of Western Christianity for 75% of Christianity's existence was Catholicism! jiminy fucking christmas on a goddamned popsicle stick. i must be getting soft not running this guy up the flagpole earlier

'

Kilorn I only skimmed over your post, and Voronwe some of the beliefs ARE THE SAME. Think about it for a second or ask a once catholic now christian. I didnt say they were exactly the same, I simply said their were similarities, and if you dont believe this is true you don't know half of what you'd like to think.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 27, 2002, 1:37 pm

I tend to totally ignore works of religion and find arguing about them a waste as it never fails to turn into an interpretation war. Try hard enough and you can make that religious text say whatever you wish to defend your beliefs as you may also make endless excuses for interpretations that don't strike your fancy.

Idiots Guide to choosing your religion:
1. Pick a religion that sounds cool to you and fits your emotional needs
2. Read the various versions of the rules for your religion and pick the one that most fits your lifestyle...olds scripts, new scripts, jam master B's hip hop edition...whatever.
3. Be happy with it and feel good about yourself knowing you have your special beliefs.
4. Don't peddle your beliefs on others.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 27, 2002, 1:39 pm

ZZtheAssassin wrote:
Voronwë wrote:Kilorn you are arguing religion with somebody who was saying that "christianity and catholicisma do have OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS in common".

now there are probably some snake kissing half-breed no-dancing hayseeds who rattle the walls of their church about how the portal to hell itself rests in Vatican City, but come on....

spoiler: what christianity and catholicism have in common is that the only form of Western Christianity for 75% of Christianity's existence was Catholicism! jiminy fucking christmas on a goddamned popsicle stick. i must be getting soft not running this guy up the flagpole earlier
'

Kilorn I only skimmed over your post, and Voronwe some of the beliefs ARE THE SAME. Think about it for a second or ask a once catholic now christian. I didnt say they were exactly the same, I simply said their were similarities, and if you dont believe this is true you don't know half of what you'd like to think.

CHRISTIANITY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM CATHOLOCISM!!!!!!!!!!

THAT IS MY FUCKING POINT!!!!!!!!!

there is NO SUCH thing as "once catholic, now Christian". If you are some sort of Christian denomination that thinks Catholics aren't Christians you are an ignorant motherfucker.

welcome to planet earth.

see this guy in the picture below? his name is Jesus...

this statue is in the building pictured below.

notice the cross.....a symbol of Christianity

St. Peter's Basilica, Vatican City

KilornCloudwalker · Post by **KilornCloudwalker** » November 27, 2002, 1:44 pm

Yeah, Voronwe...I know. Think I'll just go have some hot anal sex with this cute girl in the cubicle across from me and forgot about this all for a while...

Don't know about you guys, but there are definitelt advantages to having sex in ways that procreation is not possible:)

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 27, 2002, 1:49 pm

personally i have no interest in anal sex.

i dont understand the draw at all. only time i ever did it, it was at the request of the woman, and honestly wasnt something either of us liked that much. hehe, her moreso than me

KilornCloudwalker · Post by **KilornCloudwalker** » November 27, 2002, 2:20 pm

Hehe well, I still think there's something inherently wrong with a person not enjoying oral sex at least, but... *shrugs* To each their own, eh?

Isn't that the bottom line to all of this? Gay parents, different lifestyles...to each their own... I'm by no means 'normal' by society's standards..and that's my right, privilege and business:)

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 27, 2002, 2:26 pm

i said anal, not oral.

oral sex is the greatest thing that could ever happen to a man

noel · Post by **noel** » November 27, 2002, 2:30 pm

Atokal wrote:Do you Read Virago? Go back and read Adex posts, well thought out. Your comment about us christians is unfounded and ignorant as most of your posts. Bringing history into this debate and saying it was anyone who is alive in the present who was at fault for the treatment of blacks or women is lame. Btw I believe only the catholic religion is against birth control. Too bad you were probably raised in a catholic household otherwise you could have ended up in a condom.

Being you by choice must be the worst punishment.

Catching up on the thread. I don't think being Christian, hell, being religious has anything to do with being capable of being a good parent. Frankly, I'm not sure what religion has to do with this subject at all. If you read this thread, the Christian biggots would have you think that the only families that should be allowed to adopt are Christians. I guess Muslims, Jews, and Buddhists are bad/evil people too.

Religion has nothing at all to do with whether or not a homosexual couple would make a good set of parents.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 27, 2002, 2:47 pm

ZZtheAssassin wrote:Honestly here, I dont like oral sex. I also don't like / want to try anal sex, I'm just throwing shit out there at this point to run up my post count. Although most to all of what I said has some pertenance. The anus is an exit only and whenever anything goes the wrong way up it, it tends to cause some problems.

Actually, I was dragged to a religious seminar based all around "The Song of Solomon". It was two days long, and it was all about what is appropriate for Christians in terms of Love, Dating, Marriage, and Sex. The bottom line on the sex aspect is that he Bible says that a married couple can do anything they want sexually provided the couple are in love and living a Christian lifestyle. Here's a link to the Poetry from the Song of Solomon. It's actually relatively pretty and romantic:

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/to ... c&part=all

The only point I'm making is, if you don't like it that's fine, but don't abstain from enjoying yourself with the woman you love and are married to because you think that's what God wants.

There's an old joke: Show me a man that doesn't go down on his woman, and I'll show you a woman I can steal.

Obviously a joke, but there is some truth to it.

ZZtheAssassin · Post by **ZZtheAssassin** » November 27, 2002, 2:49 pm

I completely missed your point voronwe, my bad heh.

I've never known a few chicks that liked oral's but I never really liked it as much as just plain ol hot lovin.

Too early in the morning for the brain to work, forgive my ignorance

noel · Post by **noel** » November 27, 2002, 2:53 pm

Zz, I'm going to post a poll, just for you.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » November 27, 2002, 2:53 pm

Religion has nothing to do with this really. No one with a free mind gets restricted by the words of men 2000 years old.

It's called thinking for yourself, if you agree with some aspects of the bible, go ahead and agree. However, they are simply your opinions and don't assume that rational human beings will sit and simply obey your opinion because it happens to be written down in the Bible.

As usual, my opinion sides with Voronwe and Aranuil. Nuff said.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » November 27, 2002, 3:02 pm

Truant wrote:just playing devil's advocate.

But to some people, positions other than missionary is sexual deviance.

To answer your question Aranuil it was Truant who started the religious angle, notice the reference to missionary and devil.

Arborealus · Post by **Arborealus** » November 27, 2002, 3:02 pm

Aranuil wrote: The bottom line on the sex aspect is that he Bible says that a married couple can do anything they want sexually provided the couple are in love and living a Christian lifestyle.

But Aranuil what does the bible say about

the delicate poopy ecosystem

...

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » November 27, 2002, 3:04 pm

omg truant takes it in the ass?

Truant · Post by **Truant** » November 27, 2002, 3:06 pm

ok...if you're serious by trying to say i'm pulling the religious angle....we need to have a talk.

seriously...i hope that was a joke

Midnyte_Ragebringer · November 27, 2002, 3:07 pm

Apparently a lot of people on Veeshan do Vor.

Something we have learned over the last 2 days.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 27, 2002, 3:07 pm

Atokal wrote:
Truant wrote:just playing devil's advocate.

But to some people, positions other than missionary is sexual deviance.
To answer your question Aranuil it was Truant who started the religious angle, notice the reference to missionary and devil.

Religion had been brought up prior to that.

KilornCloudwalker · Post by **KilornCloudwalker** » November 27, 2002, 3:07 pm

Voronwë wrote:i said anal, not oral.

oral sex is the greatest thing that could ever happen to a man

Was kind of a multi reply to you and to ZZ..sorry for the confusion there... ZZ said he doesn't oral sex and never tried the other... I find that odd...

Aranuil: Although it was a joke..there is much truth to that... from my experience, most women do not climax primarily from intercourse.. perhaps some of our female members will back me up or shoot me down on that in a bit...

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 27, 2002, 3:09 pm

noel · Post by **noel** » November 27, 2002, 3:11 pm

First mention was here:

Adex_Xeda wrote:If you really want to put a baptist in bind ask them if they'd prefer a child be adopted by gay parents or aborted.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » November 27, 2002, 4:10 pm

*cough* my post was a joke Aran

I saw the Adex post.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 27, 2002, 4:14 pm

Bah, I didn't pull the religion card first, I was responding to Kyo's reference to cultish haircuts in Leviticus.

I guess you also don't trim your hair at the temples and you fast from meat on fridays, right krimson? because directly after leviticus says don't have sex with other men or you will go to hell, it VERY CLEARLY STATES don't ever cut your hair at the temples and don't ever eat meat on fridays.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 27, 2002, 4:17 pm

Adex_Xeda wrote:Bah, I didn't pull the religion card first, I was responding to Kyo's reference to cultish haircuts in Leviticus.

I guess you also don't trim your hair at the temples and you fast from meat on fridays, right krimson? because directly after leviticus says don't have sex with other men or you will go to hell, it VERY CLEARLY STATES don't ever cut your hair at the temples and don't ever eat meat on fridays.

You did pull the religion card first. Kyoukan hadn't even posted at that point. Click page 1, go to your (I believe) second post.

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » November 27, 2002, 4:27 pm

I hesitate to argue over small details but my second post wasn't a statement of religion.

It was a "Confuse the Baptist" joke.

*shrug* ah well.

I suppose in the long run if you ask someone like me what is right and what is wrong my religious beliefs will drift into my decision making process at some point.

I will say however that you can argue a kid needing a mom and dad from a secular and sociological point of view.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » November 27, 2002, 4:42 pm

ZZtheAssassin wrote:[Kilorn I only skimmed over your post, and Voronwe some of the beliefs ARE THE SAME. Think about it for a second or ask a once catholic now christian. I didnt say they were exactly the same, I simply said their were similarities, and if you dont believe this is true you don't know half of what you'd like to think.

are you high? catholicism is a form of christianity.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » November 27, 2002, 4:55 pm

Winnow wrote:
Stragi Tt'Yoro wrote:I didn't bother to read the whole thread before this, but has anyone thought about it from the child's viewpoint? Think of the crap he'll have to put up with in school when people find out his parents are homosexual, that might end up making him resent his parents and homosexuals all together.
Dude...you're looking at it all wrong. What if he had two MILFs? He'd be the king at school. Everyone would want to come see his MILFs in action.

rofl

Mitzey · Post by **Mitzey** » November 27, 2002, 5:59 pm

Anyone who wants some more insight into this topic should check out this interview with a gay man who (with his boyfriend) adopted a new born. His regular sex advice columns and the book he wrote about his adoption experience are both a good read as well.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/D ... 91005.html

Mitzey

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » November 27, 2002, 6:23 pm

In the end, the law regarding same sex parents adopting a child will be made by the government. (scary maybe, but ffs vote. please)
Religion won't come into it, or shouldnt.
The government is a democracy, we are lucky it is.
Religion is the opposite of a democracy. Isnt it?

p.s. dar please stop saying 'banging chicks'.. isnt your brain defect supposed to make you sensitive as well as a snazzy dresser?

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » November 27, 2002, 6:27 pm

lol.

I am neither. I try not to be rude, but I am very far out of touch with PC speak. As for dress, I wear either cotton khakis or wool pants and an oxford pretty much every day. If I am being very adventurous, I might put on a sweater.

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » November 27, 2002, 7:49 pm

I hate when reality screws with a perfectly good stereotype

Fash · Post by **Fash** » November 29, 2002, 12:21 am

Religion is imagination, There is no god.

We are a bunch of chemicals on a rock floating in space, it doesn't matter what you do, fuck whatever you want to fuck, we've created this "family" unit that forever endures ad nauseum, who cares who plays the parts... raise the kids with technology and make sure they have dreams and aspirations.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » November 29, 2002, 4:38 am

No, religion is quite real. Just ask all those who are persecuted, assaulted, tourtured, or killed (well, ask their loved ones) because of religion each day.

noel · Post by **noel** » November 29, 2002, 4:54 am

Aaeamdar wrote:No, religion is quite real. Just ask all those who are persecuted, assaulted, tourtured, or killed (well, ask their loved ones) because of religion each day.

Yep, it's amazing the atrocities that have been performed in the name of whichever god is the flavor of the week.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · November 29, 2002, 10:14 am

No, religion is quite real. Just ask all those who are persecuted, assaulted, tourtured, or killed (well, ask their loved ones) because of religion each day.

This only proves the intelligence level of those who participate in such foolishness, not that it is "real".

All that for something(someone) nobody has ever seen.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 29, 2002, 11:00 am

kyoukan type-R wrote: are you high? catholicism is a form of christianity.

I was under the impression that Christianity was an spinoff of Catholicism.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 29, 2002, 11:23 am

AniRask wrote:
kyoukan type-R wrote: are you high? catholicism is a form of christianity.
I was under the impression that Christianity was an spinoff of Catholicism.

huh?

Cotto · Post by **Cotto** » November 29, 2002, 11:33 am

Voronwë wrote: jiminy fucking christmas on a goddamned popsicle stick

You got close to steal my line there boyo

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 29, 2002, 12:59 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:
AniRask wrote:
kyoukan type-R wrote: are you high? catholicism is a form of christianity.
I was under the impression that Christianity was an spinoff of Catholicism.
huh?

I'm in no means knowledgable in this sort of thing so bear with me.
From my understanding of this, the catholic church founded one of the Apostles(?spelling?) a few years after JC died. It endured and spread this way for about a thousand years or so. The comes along a king of england that decided that he wants to divorce his wife. Now the Catholic church didn't recognise divorce(still doesn't, if my impending eventually goes sour,god forbit, and we get a divorce, I will not be allowed to get re-married in the eyes of the church.). It is my understanding that this king decided at this point to form him own type of religion based on the same founding as catholicism, but that allows divorce and a few other things(aka wedded priests etc..)

Again I may be wrong/mixing up my facts(I probably most surely am) so please feel free to fill in the gaps or correct.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · November 29, 2002, 1:43 pm

Actually I believe Christianity is the big boy. With many different variations underneath.

Christianity
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Catholicism Protestant etc etc etc etc

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 29, 2002, 1:45 pm

King Henry VIII formed the Anglican church (church of England) for the exact reason you stated, so he could divorce. Christianity is the foundation for Lutheran, Pentacostal, Babtist, Anglican, Catholic, and a few other churces. Protestant was created from catholicism due to various reasons, mostly dealing with catholic harshness and predestination. The faith literally means *protest* because they believed that anyone could get salvation,andnot have to be rich and buy their way in which was kind of common during the Reformation era in Europe.

Maybe this iswhat you were thinking about andconfused Protestants with Christianity in general.

Christian means Christlike btw, which all of the above faiths strive to be.

-edit my spacebar is broken btw on my second box.

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » November 29, 2002, 1:49 pm

Hey, at least Anirask is being honest.

"Christ"ianity = any religion that espouses that J.C was the son of god.

Catholocism, Luthernism, Protestantism, etc., are all variations of Christianity with differing opinions on such things as whether or not the Pope has divine authority, etc.

And Mitzey, I wouldn't necessarily suggest using Dan Savage as a quality reference for a Gay Parenting book. Back when he first started doing an advice column when The Onion was based in Madison, he was funny. Then, the Onion went national and he became a conceited, pompous jackass. He's clever, yeah, but hardly a role model imo.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » November 29, 2002, 1:56 pm

Toshira wrote:Hey, at least Anirask is being honest.

Yes he was, which is why I felt compelled to give him a nice answer to his questions. He was being cool and just did not know.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 29, 2002, 4:18 pm

Thanks for all the clarifications. =)

All that and my ass is amazingly unscorched. =)

Toshira · Post by **Toshira** » November 29, 2002, 4:40 pm

ANI!

Why don't you fucking shut up you stupid shit, you shit, you fuck?!!?!

feel better?

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 29, 2002, 5:11 pm

Medium rare. Keep at it.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 30, 2002, 8:43 am

Can we all agree that religion has several purposes:

1. Ease the fear of death
2. Provide morals in order to
3. Keep the masses under control
4. Provide answers to the unexplained (the number of issues unexplained gets smaller each day)

We can get rid of religion if:

1. People quit being such chickenshits about death
2. Figure out your own morals and drop the outdated beliefs that are so ass backwards. The freaks getting all excited over gays and lesbians in this thread is a great example of outdated morality issues linked to religious beliefs.
3. Control the masses...this is a tough one...let me see...make laws to control them...you don't steal from someone because you're going to hell if you do...you don't steal because you're going to jail if you do.
4. Understand that we don't know everything about life and the universe but we know more about it each day. Why not quit cold turkey instead of reworking your beliefs each time something is explained away on you?

Drasta · Post by **Drasta** » November 30, 2002, 6:33 pm

go winnow ... sad thing is people hold too strong to their outdated beliefs ... and arn't strong enough to do things on their own they have to have their "faith' ...

Revs · Post by **Revs** » November 30, 2002, 10:48 pm

Krimson wrote:

Being gay is bad

Speaking of which, why hasn't Sylvos voiced his opinion on this topic?

Religion on the other hand is something I would never talk about, carry on...

VeeshanVault

This touched a bit of a nerve. Gay adoption??

Should a homosexual couple be able to adopt children??

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