BSG: Season 4

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » January 31, 2009, 6:51 am

Racetrack, how could you

Great episode, things are looking grim!

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » January 31, 2009, 9:20 pm

I was actually afraid this was it for Adama and Tigh. For a split second, I thought they were going to kill them off. I'm just curious to see how this will end. The whole episode was edge-of-your-seat good.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » February 1, 2009, 8:00 pm

Damn, this episode rocked. Think i would call it the best since the one back in season 2 (i think) were Adama got shot.
Pure nailbiter till next week.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 1, 2009, 10:16 pm

Absolutely Hesten. This was a crazy episode where you were never sure what would happen next.
For your information, that episode was the season finale of season 1. That episode sealed the deal for me, putting this show on the top of my all time tv list. God, that was a crazy moment.

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » February 1, 2009, 11:47 pm

Definitely on of the most exciting episodes of the series.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 2, 2009, 6:36 am

Winnow wrote:This episode was a big step up from the first of season 4.5. The show is hanging on by a thread for interesting plots but if they go all out with some serious mayhem, this season could be a good one.

Well that was some serious mayhem!

[Show]: I could see them blowing up the shuttle with the president in it to finally get her off the show but Baltar is also on the shuttle so I doubt that will happen. (unless he's a cylon and he pops up again anyway)

Baltar is showing some signs of life again finally. Lee Adama is a little less pussified being back in action back with Starbuck (with Dee out of the picture now). Tyrol is gaining significance in the show again.

Good stuff.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 3, 2009, 9:05 pm

Awesome episode. It's amazing how I used to heart Gaeta and now I can't wait to see fly out of an airshaft...

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » February 8, 2009, 10:47 am

I finally caught up on this half season so far along with this week's episode. I am amazed at the amount of attention the writing and acting this show commands. It truly sucks you in and then just won't let go. Its sad that this writing team won't work together again, after they all want much more money, a single show won't be able to support the group. perhaps we will get luck and one or two of the group will be able to do this in a different show and genre...although I doubt it.

[Show]: What did Tryol see with that rip? how did the wall get ripped from the inside of the FTL room? is that a fuel leak? My thought is and always was that eventually they will have to abandon Galactica...is this the first step? Also, they just dropped the whole Sam thing and never got back to that. Obviously, he didn't die yet, or they would have shown it...so I imagine him being hurt will factor in as well.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 8, 2009, 3:00 pm

Posted a link to this blog in the Culinary forum, but had to post a link to her newest bento box creation. BSG themed!

http://annathered.wordpress.com/2009/02 ... galactica/

Not as good as some of her others but pretty funny and creative nonetheless

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 9, 2009, 12:13 am

I was afraid they'd drag the mutiny story line out too long and not get to any of the numerous possibilities for other story lines. It almost feels like they didn't drag it out far enough. It was too abrupt of a beginning and end.

There's so much potential for this show. Very disappointing it will only last 4 seasons.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 9, 2009, 1:42 am

I'm liking the pace of the new episodes. At this point, season four, the characters are developed so they can focus on more action.

Starbuck is still a mystery. Lee Adama is back to being a good character again. The Galactica has taken a beating both outside and inside. I think it won't last much longer.

This isnt as good as the first three seasons but is still very entertaining. Fun to see them killing people off with the show nearing it's end.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 9, 2009, 2:34 am

I felt a little sad during the execution

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » February 9, 2009, 4:27 pm

I'd say the mutiny storyline was one of the best of the entire series.

[Show]: I especially liked the scene near the end with Gaeta and Baltar. Poor guy didn't really understand how he got there. Great way for a character to go down.

I'm guessing next week's episode sucks, as they seem to take a week off to build up the next story line.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » February 9, 2009, 4:33 pm

Gzette wrote:I'd say the mutiny storyline was one of the best of the entire series.

[Show]
I especially liked the scene near the end with Gaeta and Baltar. Poor guy didn't really understand how he got there. Great way for a character to go down.
I'm guessing next week's episode sucks, as they seem to take a week off to build up the next story line.

giving extra warning to this spoiler since it contains info about the upcoming episode, and not the one that just happened:

[Show]: In next weeks episode, Ellen comes back. Apparently Sam is spewing off information about the cylons (final five cylons, that is), since he was shot, so there should be more details there. So hopefully the episode doesn't suck, and gives more info on the cylons (i.e. where they came from, how Ellen was resurrected, etc, why the final five were secret/talking about them was taboo, the ties to the rogue Hybrid, etc). There's really so few episodes left to cover all the possible story lines.

Sargeras · Post by **Sargeras** » February 9, 2009, 6:06 pm

Kluden wrote:
[Show]
What did Tryol see with that rip? how did the wall get ripped from the inside of the FTL room? is that a fuel leak? My thought is and always was that eventually they will have to abandon Galactica...is this the first step? Also, they just dropped the whole Sam thing and never got back to that. Obviously, he didn't die yet, or they would have shown it...so I imagine him being hurt will factor in as well.

[Show]: I'm thinking it's metal fatigue. Galactica is very old and was suppose to be decommissioned in the first episode. Without a dockyard for repair/retrofit, and everything they've been through over the last 4 years (hell, in the second episode of the series they jumped 238 times every 33 minutes, I can imagine that causing a huge strain on an already old bucket) I'm not surprised that the ship is feeling the wear and tear of the last 4 years.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 9, 2009, 6:09 pm

Thanks for the extra warning, it's appreciated. Didn't click it!

I'm of a like mind when it comes to them having to abandon Galactica eventually. I think we'll get a very dramatic scene of it exploding, much like they did with Babylon 5 (of course that was a flashforward sort of). As for the rip in the FTL room, I think it'll leave them stranded and at the mercy of Cavil's forces, and that will be the big crisis for the last few episodes. I wouldn't be surprised if Anders died and resurrected. They could bring Ellen back in that way. I'm not sold on the theory that the Sixes are a young Ellen, that's too big a pill for me to swallow.

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » February 9, 2009, 6:35 pm

me too, no way 6 could turn into ellen in just shy of 20 years...gross!

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » February 9, 2009, 6:57 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:Thanks for the extra warning, it's appreciated. Didn't click it!

Haha, np, It actually didn't contain any info from a spoiler site or anything (don't know of any, nor would I want to read). It was just what was on the "sneak peak" video for the next episode (what get's played during the credits, I watched a torrented version, which never has the preview), and the caption for the video.

As for 6 being a young Ellen, that doesn't make any sense, since they wouldn't be different Cylon models then.

The rip is interesting, I wrote it off at first, but I guess it was more significant. I figured it was just him thinking about past battles, but re-watching the scene, it does seem more like "oh wow, what's with that."

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » February 9, 2009, 8:20 pm

Aardor wrote: As for 6 being a young Ellen, that doesn't make any sense, since they wouldn't be different Cylon models then.

I think the point of those suggesting that theory is that: Ellen is just a 6, therefore not the 5th, therefore we still don't really know who the 5th is...

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 9, 2009, 11:49 pm

Zaelath wrote:
Aardor wrote: As for 6 being a young Ellen, that doesn't make any sense, since they wouldn't be different Cylon models then.
I think the point of those suggesting that theory is that: Ellen is just a 6, therefore not the 5th, therefore we still don't really know who the 5th is...

Post by **Xouqoa** » February 11, 2009, 7:48 pm

Gzette wrote:
[Show]
I especially liked the scene near the end with Gaeta and Baltar. Poor guy didn't really understand how he got there. Great way for a character to go down.

I think you might have missed the importance of that scene, or I am assuming something that isn't true.

[Show]: I was under the (perhaps incorrect) impression that Gaeta was seeing Baltar in his head, much like the Baltar/Six relationship. I was thinking that was what Gaeta said to Baltar before he stabbed him in the neck with the pen in S3.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 11, 2009, 7:58 pm

That's what I was thinking also, Xou.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 11, 2009, 8:30 pm

I disagree

[Show]: Baltar was acting similar to a priest visiting a death row inmate to hear confession.

You could see the conversation affect Baltar. The scene was positioned more from Baltar's POV. If he was in Gaeta's head, we would identify less with Baltar and more with Gaeta. Baltar would have been less emotionally reactive. That's how it's been the whole show (and wouldn't make sense otherwise in a film narrative).

I think the ultimate intent of the scene however was for Baltar's character development. He's the ultimate "guilty" character of the show who always escapes punishment. The conversation, the situation, etc provided subtext for Baltar's own ignoble history. Gaeta fucked up and was meeting death with a fair amount of courage. Nothing like Baltar and I think Baltar realized this.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 12, 2009, 1:08 am

[Show]: That was definitely the actual Baltar in that scene, IMO.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » February 12, 2009, 10:37 am

Lalanae wrote:I disagree

[Show]
Baltar was acting similar to a priest visiting a death row inmate to hear confession.

You could see the conversation affect Baltar. The scene was positioned more from Baltar's POV. If he was in Gaeta's head, we would identify less with Baltar and more with Gaeta. Baltar would have been less emotionally reactive. That's how it's been the whole show (and wouldn't make sense otherwise in a film narrative).

I think the ultimate intent of the scene however was for Baltar's character development. He's the ultimate "guilty" character of the show who always escapes punishment. The conversation, the situation, etc provided subtext for Baltar's own ignoble history. Gaeta fucked up and was meeting death with a fair amount of courage. Nothing like Baltar and I think Baltar realized this.

This is how I understood it as well.

Post by **Xouqoa** » February 12, 2009, 3:38 pm

Then I wonder what the "secret" was that Gaeta said to Baltar before he shived him with the pen.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 12, 2009, 4:29 pm

The secret was that

[Show]: Gaeta is gay

I suspected that at the time and the webisodes apparently confirmed it. I didn't watch them, but I think it was mentioned. Kara aluded to it in the messhall recently when they were trading insults too.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » February 12, 2009, 6:40 pm

Kaldaur wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Aardor wrote: As for 6 being a young Ellen, that doesn't make any sense, since they wouldn't be different Cylon models then.
I think the point of those suggesting that theory is that: Ellen is just a 6, therefore not the 5th, therefore we still don't really know who the 5th is...

That makes no sense whatsoever, but I'll get to that after this weeks episode.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 12, 2009, 6:58 pm

Lalanae wrote:The secret was that
[Show]
Gaeta is gay
I suspected that at the time and the webisodes apparently confirmed it. I didn't watch them, but I think it was mentioned. Kara aluded to it in the messhall recently when they were trading insults too.

Ugh, you so should have watched them! Here's the secret, but don't click it because you should go watch them RIGHT NOW:

[Show]: Yes, Gaeta was gay for Mr. Hoshi, but the real secret was that there was a Sharon on New Caprica that was "helping" Gaeta free prisoners. In the webisodes it's revealed that she wasn't really helping free people, they were being killed, she was just playing him. They had made sexy times, and when he found this out he snapped and it made him the huge Cylon hater that he became. So when Baltar said something really quiet and Gaeta shanked him in the neck with the pen, it was him saying he knew about his 7.

Vetiria · Post by **Vetiria** » February 14, 2009, 10:11 am

Ellen as Six would have been a good storyline. This one is better.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 14, 2009, 10:57 am

Another fantastic episode. I wonder how Anders is going to come out of his surgery, and now that Ellen is on the way back to the fleet, how will she take Saul's new baby momma? Isn't that like incest, since Saul helped create 6?
...

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 14, 2009, 11:32 am

Ooh, just thought of something else. Sharon is coming back to Galactica, and she still loves the Chief. Does this mean they might get a happy ending? I see the marginalization of Cally (her descent into depression, getting tossed out an airlock, and the child not even being Galen's) leading us to this road of a reunion between the two Cylons.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 14, 2009, 9:22 pm

I think it's a done deal that Gaelan and Boomer are going to get back together. I have a feeling that there's still a Daniel out there and he'll play a part. Maybe he was Kara's father and he made her downloadable. Cavil mentioned a colony that no one knows about that the final five used, maybe that's where she was downloaded to. Will be interesting to see where using cylon technology on Galactica will lead too.

And the PC guy? Really?

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » February 15, 2009, 3:05 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:I think it's a done deal that Gaelan and Boomer are going to get back together. I have a feeling that there's still a Daniel out there and he'll play a part. Maybe he was Kara's father and he made her downloadable. Cavil mentioned a colony that no one knows about that the final five used, maybe that's where she was downloaded to. Will be interesting to see where using cylon technology on Galactica will lead too.

And the PC guy? Really?

Yeh, sounds possible. Its been mentioned before that Starbucks father was an artist, could be she is a "home project" for downloading or something like that.
Would also explain her visions and the like.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 15, 2009, 3:27 pm

Well Starbuck is an artist herself if you look at the scenes in her Caprica loft.

Perhaps Starbuck is the result of an effort to save the Daniels by Helen.

Emotionally unstable, artist etc etc.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 15, 2009, 4:46 pm

Yep, she could be a recreated Daniel herself, good call.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » February 15, 2009, 8:26 pm

Animalor wrote:Well Starbuck is an artist herself if you look at the scenes in her Caprica loft.

Perhaps Starbuck is the result of an effort to save the Daniels by Helen.

Emotionally unstable, artist etc etc.

Ohhh, we finally got it. Shes the emotionally disturbed cylon guy who try to play female. Explain her general behaviour

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 15, 2009, 11:43 pm

Yeah, a friend and I were discussing it, and we didn't think it likely that they introduced a new Cylon model only as a story element to show that Cavil was deranged and boxed another line just because he was jealous. We haven't heard the last of Daniel, and since Starbuck's 'father' was supposed to be a musician, and she drew lots of pictures as a child, I thought it likely that she's a by-product of Daniel in some shape.

And the PC guy was a joke, that broke the line for me. I was chugging along, excited about our newfound knowledge of the Final Five, and bam! "I'm a PC! Let's learn about brain surgery." Only downside to the episode.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 17, 2009, 5:19 am

PC guy didn't ruin anything for me (you Mac lovers take things too far!)

I thought Cavil's speech about the limitations of human perception and his disgust for being trapped in human form were some of the best lines in recent episodes.

Good to see Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol back at his post.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 17, 2009, 7:44 pm

Dean Stockwell has done a fantastic job during the whole series. I remember the first time he showed up, interviewing a suicidal-Tyrol, and just thinking, "Hell yeah, now where's Ziggi?" His acting last episode was phenomenal, especially when Ellen tried to hug him. He looked like he was going to spit on her.
I want Friday to be here now.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 17, 2009, 9:46 pm

Great developments. I like the theories that Daniel is either Starbuck or Starbuck's father. I considered both when Ellen mentioned he was an artist.

We still don't have an explanation around Baltar and his visions of Six. I'm not writing off the possibility that Baltar is a cylon. There is something about Baltar being wholly driven by his will to survive (a theme that has been explicitly mentioned a few episodes ago) and the idea of a cylon who could not download into a new body that makes me wonder if there is at least a connection between Baltar and Daniel.

Looking forward to Friday!!

Sargeras · Post by **Sargeras** » February 18, 2009, 3:04 pm

It would be hilarious if he found a way to have a pun related to Quantum Leap for a line or two

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 18, 2009, 7:01 pm

I forget where I was reading, but Michael Trucco, who plays Sam Anders, was laughing while doing a few scenes with Dean Stockwell. Cavil had to address Sam by his first name, so there's Dean Stockwell saying, "Sam this" and "Sam that", which Trucco found hilarious. I don't know if it was intentional, but that may be as close as we get to a Scott Bakula shout-out.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 24, 2009, 12:28 am

Best line:

Hotdog: "How many dead chicks are out there?"

lol

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » February 24, 2009, 2:07 am

Yeah, the high point of a thoroughly uninspired episode. I can't believe that Moore would waste an entire episode in the home stretch just to kill time. How many shots of Adama below decks did we need? And still, after all that chatter, all that was decided was that the cylons are leaving. Ugh, we only have four left, we can't be wasting forty four minutes for mediocrity.
Oh well, here's hoping the next four are crazy.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » February 24, 2009, 2:08 am

Hotdog is the real star of the show.

I was hoping Ellen would act a little differently now that she wasn't under Cavil's "programming" to make them forget, but alas, she's still a cunt!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 24, 2009, 2:37 am

BSG is an extremely gay friendly show with Adama and Saul being the latest couple.

I agree that it was a bad episode. I'll assume it was filler and that the last 4 will be good. Ellen is more annoying that anything. It's time for Baltar, Lee and Starbuck to take center stage.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » February 24, 2009, 3:43 pm

This episode hit too close to home for me.

I agree with what was stated about Ellen. I would have hoped that she would have been better now that she has been reborn and remembers. I just don't like that character.

I hope Baltar gets all First Blood and rampages. What solution did he offer the Admiral?

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » February 24, 2009, 11:13 pm

I really liked the episode! But then I really enjoy the interplay of characters. The drinking scene between Saul & Adama made me laugh a few times and it was fun seeing the love triangle between Ellen Saul & 6.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » February 25, 2009, 6:46 pm

All it did was make me want to roundhouse kick Ellen in the throat ... again. As others stated, it disappointed me that she would return to such childish, divisive ways after having her past revealed to her. Guess she was always a bitch.