"In perpetuity"

[miir]

At least in the US we don't slaughter each other in the streets cause one of us is Catholic and one of us is Protestant

Yeah, you have entirely different reasons for killing each other in the streets.

Sylvos, if the Irish are such evil murderous bastards, why is the murder rate per capita almost five times higher in the USA than it is in Ireland?

Don't talk about how you think the US is all jaded and evil when your country can't even unite for a common cause.

The United States has been anything but united in the past few years.

Next time you want to lecture us on our nation's "Morals and Judgements" i want you to look at Northern Ireland and look at the 5 year old kid dead in the street with a shard of shrapnel in his heart cause an IRA member decided to make an example of your genocial countrymen

Why don't you take the time and do a little research and let us all know the last time a 5 year old kid was killed by an IRA bomb in Ireland. I'm lookin for a date... preferably something within the last 20 years.

A quick google search turned up a half dozen child murders that took place in the US in the past 24 hours.

[Winnow]

The United States has been anything but united in the past few years.

Don't mistake internal political squabbles with not being united. Come attack us and see how united we are bitch! If you get captured you'll have your choice of Cheetohs or Doritos for snacks.

[miir]

The United States has been anything but united in the past few years.

Don't mistake internal political squabbles with not being united. Come attack us and see how united we are bitch! If you get captured you'll have your choice of Cheetohs or Doritos for snacks.

Been there, done that.
We won.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

A quick google search turned up a half dozen child murders that took place in the US in the past 24 hours.

Would you like me to link some murders of Iraqi children by insurgents (like the ones in Gitmo) over the last 24 hours? I can provide a daily report again if you don't get anything but lefty media up there.

[Sylvos]

Ok sparky, the united states of america IS united. In a democratic nation such as ourselves we allow our citizens to express their disappointment the disgust for their government. It's in the constitution, The Freedom of Speech.
I can understand you not fully understanding this concept, not being an American citizen. We allow our citizens to disagree with what the government is doing, that is why we are a democracy. The ability to choose and decide is one of the inherant rights given to us by our legislature. So with that said, do not confuse disagreement with being "divided". The United States of America is and will always be a nation united.

The IRA.

Why don't you take the time and do a little research and let us all know the last time a 5 year old kid was killed by an IRA bomb in Ireland. I'm lookin for a date... preferably something within the last 20 years.

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/othelem/organ/ira/statements.htm <--sample body count

and a 5 year old kid btw is called an example not a specific victem named.

Now Mr. Pious Canadian -

A quick google search turned up a half dozen child murders that took place in the US in the past 24 hours.

With a population almost 30x that of Ireland, yeah it isn't too far out of whack to imagine that in that percentage would have evil men in it.
Canada has just the same issues only we don't go trolling for them on the internet cause U.S. Media loves to revel in the misery of our populace.
But that would actually make Canada not perfect and we can't have that, so obviously i'm mistaken.

Sylvos, if the Irish are such evil murderous bastards, why is the murder rate per capita almost five times higher in the USA than it is in Ireland?

Let's see here, per capita. Ok lets break that down into what per capita means. Per capita is meant to mean per unit of population.
So with the United States having oh we'll say 650 million people to irelands we'll be generous and say 50 million. The per capita average as it boils down to is going to be different. Which will invalidate your comment because when you have a section of the population much larger than the unit you are trying to compare it too i mean come on. That's just stupid. That's like saying an equal unit % of americans eat beef vs an unit of Irish that eat meat. An equal % is going to be like 1% for Ameriacns may be 65 million vs. the 500,000 for ireland. GG on that comment! Unfortunately, this will now escalate into a chart/graph war in which then you'll have a neocon and liberal blood war start.
good going.

[miir]

Would you like me to link some murders of Iraqi children by insurgents (like the ones in Gitmo) over the last 24 hours? I can provide a daily report again if you don't get anything but lefty media up there.

How does that hold any relevance to Sylvos' rant about how great america is compared to the filthy Irish killing each other in the streets and murdering children?

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As per the Insurgents in Iraq, I believe they are being treated as POWs... and for some strange reason I doubt there are many suicide bombers being held in gitmo.


On a positive note, the insurgent attacks appear to be getting a lot more accurate. Much more dead police, security forces and american soldiers and a lot less dead children.

You do prefer them attacking military targets over civilians, right?

[miir]

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/othelem/organ/ira/statements.htm <--sample body count

Uhhh, did you even look at that site?
Statements and apologies for events which happened (for the most part) over 30 years ago.

Body count?
What body count?

Let's see here, per capita. Ok lets break that down into what per capita means. Per capita is meant to mean per unit of population.
So with the United States having oh we'll say 650 million people to irelands we'll be generous and say 50 million. The per capita average as it boils down to is going to be different. Which will invalidate your comment because when you have a section of the population much larger than the unit you are trying to compare it too i mean come on.

Oh c'mon man.
I know you're not a retard so stop acting like one.
Rate per capita has nothing to do with percentages, averages or total population.


Really simplified, rounded down per capita murder rate stats:

Ireland has about 1 murder per 100k
The US has about 5 murders per 100k

In Ireland you are 5 times less likely to be murdered.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Are you asking me to begin proving you wrong....again?

[miir]

Are you asking me to begin proving you wrong....again?

Do your worst, idiot.

I'm just gonna put you on ignore like that other retard.
You don't even argue points anymore, you're just a stupid spammer on par with winnow except winnow is amusing from time to time.

[Winnow]

The United States has been anything but united in the past few years.

Don't mistake internal political squabbles with not being united. Come attack us and see how united we are bitch! If you get captured you'll have your choice of Cheetohs or Doritos for snacks.

Been there, done that.
We won.

You sucker punched us while we were off killing indians or something. Best of three!

[Sylvos]

That's it Miir, don your Maple Leaf cape and assless chaps and soar high to defend the great nation of "O'Canada". Prevent those murdering Americans from crossing your border to sow seeds of dissent and chaos in your perfect country! Completely oblivious to the way macro and microeconomics work! Continue to ignore the common sense that you know you want to pay heed too but don't cause your leotard is too tight!

[miir]

The United States has been anything but united in the past few years.

Don't mistake internal political squabbles with not being united. Come attack us and see how united we are bitch! If you get captured you'll have your choice of Cheetohs or Doritos for snacks.

Been there, done that.
We won.

You sucker punched us while we were off killing indians or something. Best of three!

Hehe..

[miir]

That's it Miir, don your Maple Leaf cape and assless chaps and soar high to defend the great nation of "O'Canada". Prevent those murdering Americans from crossing your border to sow seeds of dissent and chaos in your perfect country! Completely oblivious to the way macro and microeconomics work! Continue to ignore the common sense that you know you want to pay heed too but don't cause your leotard is too tight!

What the hell dude?
Are you drunk or something?

[Sylvos]

That's it Miir, don your Maple Leaf cape and assless chaps and soar high to defend the great nation of "O'Canada". Prevent those murdering Americans from crossing your border to sow seeds of dissent and chaos in your perfect country! Completely oblivious to the way macro and microeconomics work! Continue to ignore the common sense that you know you want to pay heed too but don't cause your leotard is too tight!

What the hell dude?
Are you drunk or something?

I've not yet begun to defile myself.

[masteen]

Everyone watch out for flying poop.

[Sylvos]

You ain't no daisy, you ain't no daisy a'tall.

[Nick]

Oh jesus Sylvos you have a fucking warped view on how Ireland is.

I'll put it this way, it's nothing like you described. It has it's issue, but frankly (and this is statistically factual) less people died in the so called "war" here than do in a 4 month period in the USA.

The situation here is petty whining between the leaders of the factions, protestants and catholics work side by side on a daily basis.

You are sir, simply put, mistaken.

Now, if Ireland was attacking various countries and spreading a doctrine of pre-emptive strike, you can be fucking sure I would be criticizing them as well.

[Zamtuk]

im your huckleberry

[Jice Virago]

I also disagree with the assertation of the US being "united" at this point in time and about the first amendment being observed under our present administration. First, Bush "won" the last election under the shortest margin in presidential election history and with more contreversial abnomalies than any since JFK won under equally suspicious circumstances. The nation, from its congress all the way down to the average joe are more partisan and divisive than they have been in over a century. Anyone with even minor differences in opinion with the radical right are being branded traitors and compared to nazis, even moderate GOP representatives.

The party in power has also taken radical steps towards increasing their control over both the system and the flow of information to the american public on levels that eclipse what happened during the Nixon era. Frankly, between all the propaganda being passed off as news (hello Fox!), all of the extreme controls put on the the press conferences in the Bush white house (hello Mr Gannon), and the deregulating of the network ownership rules (while simultaneously raising censorship to new levels) putting virtually the entire mainstream media into the hands of four companies very friendly to the conservatives, I think anyone saying that the first amendment is alive in well in this country is naive at best.

[Cartalas]

Oh jesus Sylvos you have a fucking warped view on how Ireland is.

I'll put it this way, it's nothing like you described. It has it's issue, but frankly (and this is statistically factual) less people died in the so called "war" here than do in a 4 month period in the USA.

The situation here is petty whining between the leaders of the factions, protestants and catholics work side by side on a daily basis.

You are sir, simply put, mistaken.

Now, if Ireland was attacking various countries and spreading a doctrine of pre-emptive strike, you can be fucking sure I would be criticizing them as well.

Ireland couldnt attack the land of Oz so STFU

[Nick]

There's no place like home!

[Kelgar]

im your huckleberry

For all the fans:

http://www.vkn.com/movies/tombstone/bei ... liday.html

Yet another novel is born of that historic gunfight that lasted mere seconds, but echoes endlessly through time, O.K. The Corral, The Earps, and Doc Holliday written by Paul West. It has been nearly 119 years since that famous shoot out on October 26, 1881; yet people from all walks of life continue to be fascinated with the story. A classic tale of good versus evil, set amidst the background of the Old West. Paul West tells the story this time in the form of a novel. He has mixed fact with fiction in a very colorful and romantic way to present to us the inner person of the notorious dentist/gambler/gunslinger named John Henry "Doc" Holliday.

The 1993 movie, TOMBSTONE, gave a near perfect rendition of the actual Tombstone incident, with Val Kilmer in the role of Doc Holliday. Val's portrayal of the Southern Dentist shows that he most certainly did his homework in preparing for the role. From the slow southern drawl of a Georgian aristocrat, to the look on Doc's face at the moment of truth in a gunfight, his was the most accurate of the many actors who have donned the role. In the acknowledgements of the book Aristocracy's Outlaw The Doc Holliday Story, Biographer Sylvia Lynch writes; "And very special thanks to Mr. Val Kilmer, who resurrected what I believe to be the essence of the real Doc so beautifully on film in 1993. He made John Holliday a real person again and revived the legend."

History often remembers John Henry Holliday as "An educated killer with a gambler's heart and a terminal illness". (1) Val Kilmer's portrayal showed the southern gentleman, the soft-spoken aristocrat, and the devoted friend that Doc Holliday was. Paul West's novel is an excellent embellishment of that portrayal. He opens the book with these two quotes; "I mixed up with everything that came along. It was the only way in which I could forget myself." - Doc Holiday

"Doc was a dentist whom necessity had made a gambler; a gentleman whom disease had made a frontier vagabond; a philosopher whom life had made a caustic wit; a long, lean ash-blond fellow nearly dead with consumption, and at the same time the most skillful gambler and the nerviest, speediest, deadliest man with a six-gun I ever saw." - Wyatt Earp

He writes in third person as though he is a first hand witness to the private thoughts and events in Doc Holliday's life. He begins the story around the time when "Big Nose Kate" helps Doc escape from a near lynching. He uses a "flash-back" method where Doc is recalling various occurrences in his life up to this point to give the reader some background. Throughout the novel, you are able to see that West has done his research and is well aware of the true history of various situations, but sometimes chooses the mythical version instead. One example is his portrayal of the death of "Big Nose Kate".

The myth is that a crazy drunk rode through town and shot up a saloon. After the shooting ended she lay motionless on the floor, however no apparent wounds were found. Doc is summoned from another town, does an autopsy and discovers what no else has seen, a minute spec of blood on her derriére. A stray bullet had apparently found its way through her rectum and torn through her insides, thus killing her but leaving no apparent cause of death. The facts however, easily dispute this myth as Mary Katherine Harony Cummings, "Big Nose Kate", outlived Doc by more than fifty years. She died in Prescott, AZ in the Pioneers' Home on November 2, 1940.

His main vehicle in this presentation is the correspondence between Doc and his cousin Mattie (Sister Mary Melanie). The letters are touching and at times sad as you catch a hint of tenderness the two share. There are some that show a frustration and anger for the disease that is killing this young man and robbing him of the promising future that should have been. All reveal the true intelligent, sophisticated character of John Henry Holliday. As you read, it is easy to picture Val in this version as Doc. It feels almost like an extension of the movie. The last scene between Doc and Wyatt depicts Doc on his deathbed. He confesses his love for Mattie saying "she was all I ever wanted". It almost appears that West has taken this statement, along with the historical fact of Mattie joining a convent to become a Sister of Charity and created his story around it. It is reality that Mattie is the one relative Doc kept contact with throughout the remainder of his life after leaving the South. But, sadly, the content of the letters is not actually known.

Biographer Sylvia Lynch (2) writes, "Sister Mary Melanie carefully preserved the letters she received from her cousin for some time. She told family members before her death if the world could see the correspondence she had in her possession, they would most definitely see a different John Holliday." She continues that Sister Mary Melanie (Mattie) herself destroyed some of the letters before her death. The remainder being passed to a family member who eventually burned them to end constant requests from curiosity seekers to learn their content. Lynch also notes that Edna Burke of Tombstone was in possession of a trunk belonging to Doc Holliday, which contained "small pieces of jewelry and many letters from a girl named Mattie Holliday." Upon learning of Doc's death she wrote to the Sister, then sent the trunk and it contents to her. It is not known what happened to the letters, but they most likely were destroyed. Lynch goes on to say that Mrs. Burke stated "? There was a young orphan boy whom Doc had helped through school and who claimed to have in his possession some of the letters Mattie had written to Doc. Doc reportedly gave them to the man to destroy. "He said he didn't have the heart to do it himself. I didn't destroy them, because they were too beautiful to be thrown away. I'd never give permission to have one word of them published, for they are sacred to me." Perhaps this factual evidence is what led West as well as many others to assume there was some hidden romance in the correspondence, which makes much more interesting reading than mundane family chitchat.

[Atokal]

A man like Jice's got a great
Empty hole right through the
Middle of him and no matter what
He does he can't ever fill it. He
Can't kill enough or steal enough
Or inflict enough pain to ever
Fill it. And it drives him mad.
Sick mad. Cold and dirty.

WYATT
So what does he want?

DOC
What does he want? He wants revenge.

WYATT
Revenge? For what?

Doc looks at him, a look of purest sadness in his sunken eyes.

DOC
Being born.

[Forthe]

Frankly, between all the propaganda being passed off as news (hello Fox!),

It isn't just Fox. During the Iran election I've seen all the US news stations mention the the current reformist President was "barred from running again" without mentioning that he is "barred" by the constitution in the same manner Bush\Clinton are "barred" from running for President again. While this may simply be incompetence, although unlikely given the same reporting from multiple organizations, it certainly seemed to me to be implying he was barred from running again by the mullahs.

To be fair I did read a similar story on yahoo news that did explain the constitutional restriction.

[Aabidano]

NPR explained why he was "barred" yeaterday afternoon, though I think the term's misleading no matter who uses it. Be glad they're still calling him president, when the political wheels starting churning against any given leader, the title given in the US news and by the administration changes.

The reverse is also true, changes from "Premier" to "President" are designed to shift public attitude prior to us engaging in any friendly activity with a former advesary. Same deal with the gay marriage subject, and why they won't settle for any other terminology.