Jane Fonda

[Lynks]

Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treasonous, they might have gotten her for that but not much more.

Giving comfort is treason? No. Giving aid is treason yes, but she didnt give aid unless you have this proof that no one else has.

[Drolgin Steingrinder]

This thread makes me laugh out loud.

[Sueven]

The hippies were far more culturally significant than they're being given credit for.

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Giving comfort is treason? No. Giving aid is treason yes, but she didnt give aid unless you have this proof that no one else has.

You stupid fucking twat. Shut the fuck up. Unless someone needs to know what a Canadian idiot thinks about this subject, you have no further use on this thread.
http://adlusa.com/treasdef.htm

Legal definition of Treason
Treason. A breach of allegiance to one's government, usually committed through levying war against such government or by giving aid or comfort to the enemy. The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance; or of betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power. Treason consists of two elements: adherence to the enemy, and rendering him aid and comfort. Cramer v. U. S., U.S.N.Y., 325 U.S. l, 65 S.Ct. 918, 9327 89 L.Ed. 1441. See 18 U.S.C.A. § 2381. A person can be convicted of treason only on the testimony of two witnesses, or confession in open court. Art. III, Sec. 3, U.S. Constitution.

[Lynks]

Still pissed that I owned you last time I see. Ok, you got me on the comfort thing but you still havent showed me proof of her aiding the enemy.

Canadian idiot? I dont think Atokal posted on this thread yet, I could be mistaken though.

Edit: Your own defenition says to be convicted you need 2 things. The first is adherance (devotion) to the enemy. OMG, she took some pictures with them, she must be guilty.!!!

[Lohrno]

Edit: Your own defenition says to be convicted you need 2 things. The first is adherance (devotion) to the enemy. OMG, she took some pictures with them, she must be guilty.!!!

There are a few fronts to this technically, and emotionally. Most of those saying she was a traitor are really trying to appeal to emotional reasons while showing technical ones.

Technically: Devotion to the enemy would probably mean she would not have come back and would still be trying to help them in ways. I don't buy it. Unless you want to count those photos like you said. Yeah I don't think it holds up. It isn't like she picked up a gun and started firing at our troopers.

Super nitpicky technically: North Vietnam was not the enemy. We never declared war on them officially.

[nobody]

to her credit she did admit how wrong and stupid it was as kyo pointed out already. but i think apologies are easy. she should do a naked photo shoot just for the soldiers and call it even.

[Lohrno]

to her credit she did admit how wrong and stupid it was as kyo pointed out already. but i think apologies are easy. she should do a naked photo shoot just for the soldiers and call it even.

I dunno she's pretty old...that could be considered treason.

[Lynks]

Naked Jane Fonda from today? Or naked Jane Fonda from 20 years ago...

[nobody]

billy madison!

[Nick]

Damn, we almost had something resembling a decent debate going on until people decided to ignore reality

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

/shrug

You've never struck me as a man who's opinion could ever be swayed. Therefore, the idea you would enjoy a good debate is quite laughable. And before you bother, I have changed my mind numerous times after discussion with others on these boards. I honestly cannot recall once where you took a step back and acknowledge being wrong and have changed your outlook.

[Nick]

Maybe in relation to your constant patriotic self righteous ignorance.
However, maybe that's because I have a slightly better fucking inkling of American Foreign Policy and history than you do.

When you make a relevant point, it will be accepted, maybe the fact that you haven't seen that acceptance should give you a hint about something.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Maybe in relation to your constant patriotic self righteous ignorance.
However, maybe that's because I have a slightly better fucking inkling of American Foreign Policy and history than you do.

When you make a relevant point, it will be accepted, maybe the fact that you haven't seen that acceptance should give you a hint about something.

Your response confirms my assertion.

[Zaelath]

Maybe in relation to your constant patriotic self righteous ignorance.
However, maybe that's because I have a slightly better fucking inkling of American Foreign Policy and history than you do.

When you make a relevant point, it will be accepted, maybe the fact that you haven't seen that acceptance should give you a hint about something.

Your response confirms my assertion.

On what planet? You really should have been born a woman.

[Mezzdat]

The most profound detail I've found in this thread is the hard truth that I agree with Kyou. Please someone blow something out of my ass.

[Atokal]

Still pissed that I owned you last time I see. Ok, you got me on the comfort thing but you still havent showed me proof of her aiding the enemy.

Canadian idiot? I dont think Atokal posted on this thread yet, I could be mistaken though.

Edit: Your own defenition says to be convicted you need 2 things. The first is adherance (devotion) to the enemy. OMG, she took some pictures with them, she must be guilty.!!!

Yes you own the title of Canadian idiot and I wish you would stfu before you embarrass yourself further. I suppose that posing with a North Vietnamese gun crew while your country is at war with them, and having the photos published world wide is not aiding the enemy through propaganda? Not to mention the statements that she made and were quoted earlier in this thread by Mid. Fuck you are stupid.

Lynks you should consider yourself fortunate that you live in a country where hockey helmets abound.

[Atokal]

Midnight quoted exactly what you are asking for. I can't help that you have him on ignore.

No he did not. Those actions do not define treason to anyone but a fucking moron.

Oh... I get it now.

You and lynks should get married and have more retarded kids so you can sit around the dinner table drooling at each other and have conversations you all can understand.

[Lynks]

You are right, the 4? of you are always right and EVERYBODY else is wrong. How could I have been so stupid.



Edit: I am not claiming that the majority is always right

[Aabidano]

What she did was technically a treaonous act, much the same as Tokyo Rose, who was convicted and later pardoned iirc.

I think it's a personal responsibility to stand up against things you don't believe in. That stops being an ethical behaviour and becomes a treasonous one when you're giving moral support to the enemy, and belittling your countries troops from the enemy side of a combat zone.

Fonda has acknowleged that what she did was wrong, why are people still defending it?

I see the yabbos protesting down at the USAF base near me periodically. I've never understood the point. Other than the people who work there no one ever sees them. The road(s) dead end for the public at the gate, and there aren't any turns. All they accomplish is making the already crappy job of the military police a little crappier that day.

Want to make a difference? Run for office, write your congressman or representative. Publish a news story with you arguments.

[Lynks]

I dont think anyone here is defending what she did. Just saying I dont consider that treason, just a dumb bitch doing something stupid.

[Nick]

The point actually is that the Vietnam war was a crock of shit from start to finish and she actually said this.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Aabidano]

The point actually is that the Vietnam war was a crock of shit from start to finish and she actually said this.

And? Does that justify her actions?

[Nick]

Well that's the debate, if like me you think Patriotism is a flawed waste of time and is therefore irrelevant to everything, then yeah, it can very easily be argued that it does.

[kyoukan]

And? Does that justify her actions?

Of course it does. At the time Fonda believed that the NVA were in the right and the united states was involving itself in an illegal war. The citizens of Vietnam have every right to enact political change within their own borders without outside interference. This is written right into the constitution of your own country; if you don't like the way the government is doing things and you have enough people that feel the same as you, you can militarize yourselves and overthrow the current government. This is your right as a citizen, although you'll probably get fucking shot for doing it.

The north vietnamese weren't doing anything that wasn't their right. The united states (and initially france) was interfering with this process simply based on the fact that they don't like commies, and they were worried that letting vietnam fall to communism would touch off a "domino effect" (sound familiar, retards?) of communism across the asian subcontinent.

In Jane Fonda's defense, she blames the propagandists who basically set her up on the AA gun as a photo op to use as a tool to demoralize the US soldiers. she accepts full responsibility for allowing herself into that positition, but it's not like she was sitting on the fucking gun going "HELL YEAH LETS SHOOT DOWN SOME 'MERICANS!"

[Atokal]

And? Does that justify her actions?

Of course it does. At the time Fonda believed that the NVA were in the right and the united states was involving itself in an illegal war. The citizens of Vietnam have every right to enact political change within their own borders without outside interference.

I would guess this means that they are also within their rights to ask for aid from other like minded countries. In this case there seemed to be a good portion of this population that did not want a communist government.
Further if you look at the landscape at the time you had China, and Russia supporting the North.

The north vietnamese weren't doing anything that wasn't their right. The united states (and initially france) was interfering with this process simply based on the fact that they don't like commies, and they were worried that letting vietnam fall to communism would touch off a "domino effect" (sound familiar, retards?) of communism across the asian subcontinent.

Speaking of retards I would suggest that you do a little reading about who was interfering in Vietnam. If the North Vietnamese were within their rights to invite China and Russia to the party I would submit that the south was within their rights to have France and the USA take a seat at the table as well. Retards indeed.

In Jane Fonda's defense, she blames the propagandists who basically set her up on the AA gun as a photo op to use as a tool to demoralize the US soldiers. she accepts full responsibility for allowing herself into that positition, but it's not like she was sitting on the fucking gun going "HELL YEAH LETS SHOOT DOWN SOME 'MERICANS!"

HAHA so Jane Fonda was so profoundly bamboozled that she didn't realize that thing pointing at her was a fucking camera, that the pictures just might be used as propaganda give me a fucking break.

[Sionistic]

Actually a good portion of the population did want a communist government. We were going to set up elections there untill we realized the people were going to vote for the communist, so we canceled the election and starting sending troops in.

[Atokal]

Actually a good portion of the population did want a communist government. We were going to set up elections there untill we realized the people were going to vote for the communist, so we canceled the election and starting sending troops in.

Wow didn't know this. Wish we could have done that here in Canada when the damn liberals beat out Mulroney's Conservatives.

In any case, the fact that they cancelled the elections indicates that the anti-communists were at least the ones in power at the time, if not a large minority.

[Sionistic]

When I say the elections were cancled, I mean the US canceled the elections. The majority of the people wanted Ho Chi Minh, he was a war hero. When we saw we couldnt disuade the people to vote capitalist we canceled the elections. At that point we sent in "advisors" to help change their minds (advisors being armed troops), and the number of advisors was increased by each president there-after untill nixon took out the troops (he increased the number too before he dropped it).

[kyoukan]

Speaking of retards I would suggest that you do a little reading about who was interfering in Vietnam. If the North Vietnamese were within their rights to invite China and Russia to the party I would submit that the south was within their rights to have France and the USA take a seat at the table as well. Retards indeed.

I'm not sure if you're joking or you really are this dumb. The only significant portion of the population in vietnam that didn't want the communists was the montagnards that the communists promised to extterminate the moment they took control, and a ridiculously tiny minority of pro US hand-jobbers in Saigon. Nobody "invited" the USA just as nobody "invited" France when they tried to colonize the country.

Do you think the overwhelming military might of the USA would have lost so badly if they had the support of the locals? Why do you think they lost? Because just about everybody hated the Americans.

Why do you even bother responding to me? You're just going to say something dumb and I am just going to make you look dumber for it.

[noel]

*shakes pom-poms*

[Jice Virago]

What is somewhat disturbing to me is how the mighty righties have been trying to rewrite history and perspective about Veit Nam. This forum isn't the first place where I have heard the Bush Fletchers rattle their sabres on this topic.

[Wulfran]

Wow didn't know this. Wish we could have done that here in Canada when the damn liberals beat out Mulroney's Conservatives.

Mulroney resigned as the leader of the Conservatives before the election and it was Kim Campbell who lost the election to Crooked Chretien and his incompetant band of thieves a.k.a. the Liberal Party of Canada. If you want to bring this up, at least get it right...

[Niffoni]

You know what the worst part was? Jean spent the better part of his days in office fucking Canadians in the ass, and all we could say was "Well, at least he's not Mulroney".

Maybe we should stop making fun of the States if this is the best we can come up with. At least our government is too lazy to make any book-burning laws though.

[Sirton]

Some History of Vietnam if anyone is interested. I had some Cambodian friends that always talked about there rivers flowing and choked with there friends, family and fellow cambodians bodies in 1979.

http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/seasia/xvietnam.html

On Fonda she was hot, but a stupid bitch for putting herself in the position of demoralizing our troops and letting herself be used for there propaganda.

[Forthe]

Wow didn't know this. Wish we could have done that here in Canada when the damn liberals beat out Mulroney's Conservatives.

This was the greatest thing in the history of canadian politics IMHO. Not becasue it brought down Mulroney's governement but because it showed the parties that the electorate is more than willing\able to literally destroy a political party. Taking a party that had existed since confederation from government to just 2 seats in one election was amazing.

The Conservatives having too many jesus freak nutjobs is the only thing saving the Liberals from facing a similar situation now.

[Metanis]

Wow didn't know this. Wish we could have done that here in Canada when the damn liberals beat out Mulroney's Conservatives.

This was the greatest thing in the history of canadian politics IMHO. Not becasue it brought down Mulroney's governement but because it showed the parties that the electorate is more than willing\able to literally destroy a political party. Taking a party that had existed since confederation from government to just 2 seats in one election was amazing.

The Conservatives having too many jesus freak nutjobs is the only thing saving the Liberals from facing a similar situation now.

Us Jesus freak nutjobs have a commission to spread the good news. Your contempt for a goodly portion of the world's population proves you have no moral standing to resist the beliefs we profess to be true. We are going to save you Forthe, and the whole world, because we have been commanded by Jesus to love our neighbors as ourselves and to preach the word of God. Us Jesus freaks use words, signs, songs, and such, perhaps you'd prefer Islam's poverty and swords and bloodshed?

Yes, you can tune it out but you have no right to demean others with your spitefulness. You're talking about people's faith here buddy. And rights. Us Jesus freaks have the same rights to our beliefs as you. That means the right to lobby government to meet our demands. The right to mold government to align with our needs. Your "religion" of selfishness has no inherent superior grant of authority over society.

[Zaelath]

Us Jesus freak nutjobs have a commission to spread the good news. Your contempt for a goodly portion of the world's population proves you have no moral standing to resist the beliefs we profess to be true. We are going to save you Forthe, and the whole world, because we have been commanded by Jesus to love our neighbors as ourselves and to preach the word of God. Us Jesus freaks use words, signs, songs, and such, perhaps you'd prefer Islam's poverty and swords and bloodshed?

*gigglesnort*

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=crusades

[Forthe]

Wow didn't know this. Wish we could have done that here in Canada when the damn liberals beat out Mulroney's Conservatives.

This was the greatest thing in the history of canadian politics IMHO. Not becasue it brought down Mulroney's governement but because it showed the parties that the electorate is more than willing\able to literally destroy a political party. Taking a party that had existed since confederation from government to just 2 seats in one election was amazing.

The Conservatives having too many jesus freak nutjobs is the only thing saving the Liberals from facing a similar situation now.

Us Jesus freak nutjobs have a commission to spread the good news. Your contempt for a goodly portion of the world's population proves you have no moral standing to resist the beliefs we profess to be true. We are going to save you Forthe, and the whole world, because we have been commanded by Jesus to love our neighbors as ourselves and to preach the word of God. Us Jesus freaks use words, signs, songs, and such, perhaps you'd prefer Islam's poverty and swords and bloodshed?

Yes, you can tune it out but you have no right to demean others with your spitefulness. You're talking about people's faith here buddy. And rights. Us Jesus freaks have the same rights to our beliefs as you. That means the right to lobby government to meet our demands. The right to mold government to align with our needs. Your "religion" of selfishness has no inherent superior grant of authority over society.

You trying to prove my point for me? And prefer Islam? I do not need to choose either. The whole lot of you* are retarded, it doesn't matter which religion. Just judging from your posts on this board I feel morally superior to you with no hesitation. Some of you jesus freaks are laughable, your views are like %100 opposite of what your saviour would do. Fuck the poor the lazy bums, execute people with no concrete evidence, kill 100,000+ innocent people for cheap gas. Where do you think Jesus would stand on these issues?

The only way you jesus freaks can even cope with your twisted *faith* is to to retreat to the old testament to justify your actions\views and ignore jesus altogether. Now given jesus was way too much of a pussy, turn the other cheek and all that crap (hey kilmoll) but if you don't believe in his pussy views why do you pretend that you do?

The Conservatives (new party formed from the remnants of the Progressive Conservative party that was destroyed in 93 and the West Coast reform party) would be wiping the floor with the Liberals if they didn't have some vocal members of your ilk (and some even more stupid members that want to mention health care privatization). AFAIK we do not have any official seperation of church and state like the US is supposed to have, but we have a much bigger seperation. I'm sure many of our representatives are religious, and I really don't care if they are or aren't, but you will be hard pressed to see any Canadian politician mentioning God in any kind of official capacity. As it should be.

I'm kind of old fashioned in that sense (church\state). I probably wouldn't spend time with a hick deer hunting female either. So in that sense I guess you are more progressive than me.

* Those that push their religion on others, spread the word, try to save us, etc. I certainly don't feel the same about religious people that don't try to push their beliefs on others, I could care less if they are religious or not in that case.

[kyoukan]

American Christians aren't real Christians anyway. It's pretty creepy to see a bunch of racist, misogynist queer bashers claiming to follow the tenets of Jesus Christ.

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

American Christians aren't real Christians anyway. It's pretty creepy to see a bunch of racist, misogynist queer bashers claiming to follow the tenets of Jesus Christ.

And for you to sum up all American christians in that way is why most people here think you are a dumb stupid cunt.

[Xzion]

American Christians aren't real Christians anyway. It's pretty creepy to see a bunch of racist, misogynist queer bashers claiming to follow the tenets of Jesus Christ.

And for you to sum up all American christians in that way is why most people here think you are a dumb stupid cunt.

she did sum up the mentality of 95%+ of american christians though, im sure theres a few good ones, but not many, look at our fucking government, its disgusting, all "christian values" involve limiting freedom and civil liberites, of course they still support the death penalty though, because jesus wasnt wrongfully excecuted or anything...

[Drolgin Steingrinder]

Us Jesus freak nutjobs have a commission to spread the good news. Your contempt for a goodly portion of the world's population proves you have no moral standing to resist the beliefs we profess to be true. We are going to save you Forthe, and the whole world, because we have been commanded by Jesus to love our neighbors as ourselves and to preach the word of God. Us Jesus freaks use words, signs, songs, and such, perhaps you'd prefer Islam's poverty and swords and bloodshed?

Yes, you can tune it out but you have no right to demean others with your spitefulness. You're talking about people's faith here buddy. And rights. Us Jesus freaks have the same rights to our beliefs as you. That means the right to lobby government to meet our demands. The right to mold government to align with our needs. Your "religion" of selfishness has no inherent superior grant of authority over society.

Christianity spread far more through the sword than Islam ever did. Mostly, Islam spread mostly through trade, not conquest. While it's true that the initial expansion of the original muslim caliphates was military (the conquests of Persia and Byzantine), they did not behave as colonizers or moral overlords: apart from rather heavy taxations, existing religious practitioners were largely left alone.

The predominantly muslim nations in Africa and east/southeast Asia aren't so because of colonially enforced conversion; they're like that because of the huge cultural influence of centuries of islamic trade, medicine, science. That's not a claim that Christianity can make. It spread more through inquisitionary methods than through choice.

Poverty? I got a clue for you: If you look at Africa, South America and India, you will probably find as many poor christians as muslims. And the islamic countries that are genuinely poor are mostly so because we, the civilized, christian westerners systematically raped their resources for years.

As for the bolded part of your quote, aren't you forgetting something?

Modern Christianity is no longer (if indeed it ever was) an inclusive religion; it is defined by Who Is Not rather than Who Is. The conflicts of recent years have brought forth Islam as an enemy of the christian faith, something that plays real well into the mindsets of the Pat Robertsons of this world. They're heathens, afterall. Like those homosexuals who will burn in hell for eternity. Songs, signs, words and such? Yeah, and the condemnation of all Who Are Not as lesser beings, the murder of doctors, nurses and volunteers who perform abortions. Sure, this might be the fringe groups who do or support these things but they are the ones that you allow to speak for you, to represent you in the public eye. And when you don't gainsay these intolerant, and to my eyes, deluded, people, like William Donahue who scoffs at those damn liberals and their hypocrisy in their claims of tolerance and then goes on to say that two men getting married is something you'd expect out of an asylum - you are responsible.

If you, as a christian, want to be seen as something other than a bible-thumping "Jesus freak nutjob" (your words, not mine), then start acting like the part of the Bible that matters to you is the love and compassion preached in the New Testament. I know it's a lot easier to clutch to the fire and brimstone of the OT, focusing on your fear and hate and directing it at those who are different, but hey - is that what Jesus would do? What happened to the beam in your own eye?

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

American Christians aren't real Christians anyway. It's pretty creepy to see a bunch of racist, misogynist queer bashers claiming to follow the tenets of Jesus Christ.

And for you to sum up all American christians in that way is why most people here think you are a dumb stupid cunt.

she did sum up the mentality of 95%+ of american christians though, im sure theres a few good ones, but not many, look at our fucking government, its disgusting, all "christian values" involve limiting freedom and civil liberites, of course they still support the death penalty though, because jesus wasnt wrongfully excecuted or anything...

wow.....just wow

[Zaelath]

You gotta understand, it's not Christ that's the problem.

At one end of the spectrum you have the crusaders who will kill you until you accept Jesus as your personal saviour; completely failing to grasp the message.

At the other end you have the Ahmish who dole out the same punishment for drinking as they do for incestual rape of prepubescent girls (6 weeks time-out from church); completely failing to grasp the message.

Then in the middle you have the self deluding masses, that think it's cool to hang about in church and talk about acceptance, and loving your neighbour as yourself, then live in a way that's diametrically opposed to their rhetoric. You only have to look at the shiny new pope to see a beautiful example of the hypocrisy inherent in organised religions the world over.

[Sylvus]

Us Jesus freak nutjobs have a commission to spread the good news. Your contempt for a goodly portion of the world's population proves you have no moral standing to resist the beliefs we profess to be true. We are going to save you Forthe, and the whole world, because we have been commanded by Jesus to love our neighbors as ourselves and to preach the word of God. Us Jesus freaks use words, signs, songs, and such, perhaps you'd prefer Islam's poverty and swords and bloodshed?

Yes, you can tune it out but you have no right to demean others with your spitefulness. You're talking about people's faith here buddy. And rights. Us Jesus freaks have the same rights to our beliefs as you. That means the right to lobby government to meet our demands. The right to mold government to align with our needs. Your "religion" of selfishness has no inherent superior grant of authority over society.

Yeah, Christians don't seem to suffer from the same affliction at all either. Hint: The second bolded statement is incongruent with the first, can you see how? Hint #2: You're a hypocrite.

And for you to sum up all American christians in that way is why most people here think you are a dumb stupid cunt.

I think you're both wrong and incorrect in that statement. And redundant. Most people here, or maybe it's about half, seem to like kyoukan. Of those that don't, most just dislike her, they don't think she's a "dumb stupid" anything. I'm willing to be that more people think you're a "dumb stupid cunt" than think she is, but that's an exercise for another day. I digress...

[Lohrno]

Yes, you can tune it out but you have no right to demean others with your spitefulness. You're talking about people's faith here buddy. And rights. Us Jesus freaks have the same rights to our beliefs as you. That means the right to lobby government to meet our demands. The right to mold government to align with our needs. Your "religion" of selfishness has no inherent superior grant of authority over society.

Sorry, I don't think your right to lobby the government superscedes basic human rights like equality and freedom for all, and I don't think they superscede the idea of separation of church and state or the 1st ammendment stating that congress shall make no law regarding religion.

Human rights and Freedom are something that this country was founded on and trump all other considerations.

That seems Unamerican to me.

[kyoukan]

And the American "christians" start throwing around ethnic and gender slurs when they are accused of being intolerant and hypocritical. You can't write that kind of comedy; it has to come spontaneously from stupid, stupid people.

[Sylvos]

Hi, I'm a conservative "right-winger" and guess what...I'm gonna go ahead and flat out say if you think that Vietnam was a justified war, then you're a fucking idiot. We had NO business there, why do I say that? I look at my dad who is now in his late 50's and who served as a Green Beret during that conflict. He's got four purple hearts and various other medals of valor for his time and his bodycount during the Vietnam Conflict. That entire scenerio not only maimed and halfway obliterated an entire generation of American men but it is one of the most gruesome, attrocious wars America has ever fought and LOST. Not because our team didn't beat the bad guy, but because our team had more losses in the end. I am going to make myself sick after I type this but I .....agree.....with......jice....about you "right wingers" wanting to rewrite history to justify the means. It's not going work, I'm just glad my father didn't turn into a statistic loss like the tens of thousands of other American young men did during that time. You guys should try actually reading a history book instead of googling a website about Vietnam, might help you sound a bit smarter and more credible. I can go and write up a very very convincing website about how America was very justified in going into battle in Vietnam and even fabricate all sorts of "credible" reasons, but in the end we'd know I was full of shit as soon as you actually read a book and knew your history. Anyway, everyone nowadays is an authority on everything thx google, making philosophers out of farmers and theologins out of ditch diggers. Formal education just isn't what it used to be I guess.

[Sylvos]

And the American "christians" start throwing around ethnic and gender slurs when they are accused of being intolerant and hypocritical. You can't write that kind of comedy; it has to come spontaneously from stupid, stupid people.

God, what is happening to me, Yes Kyoukan is also right. Vietnam also made good old whitey replace the Niggers with the Gooks as the hated race. It's always good to see good ole Whitey stop beatin poor Uncle Tom to go kick the shit out of Chow Yun Fat and his brother Sum Yung Guy. Then again nowadays we've got good ole American White Man to point his anger at dem damn Arabs and der Sand Nigger kin. Nuke em! Turn em all to glass! Put in a Wal-mart and a SAMS Club! We'll westernize them non-christian heathens yet!