Lost

Akanae · Post by **Akanae** » March 11, 2007, 4:34 pm

I think the American viewing public just remembers x-files. They had a similar secret keeping formula, built it all up over years and then when their ratings started going down gave us a shitty ending via a shitty movie. But I just started watching Lost this season, so I am still enjoying it.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 11, 2007, 5:50 pm

Akanae wrote: But I just started watching Lost this season, so I am still enjoying it.

Did you go back and watch the last 2 seasons or didn't watch them at all? Just curious!

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 11, 2007, 6:42 pm

See, people call those episodes like Hurley's filler. I beg to differ. They are episodes designed to increase of knowledge of characters. They are there to make us understand the characters and understand what makes them tick. They aren't filler, they're vital episodes. They help us form bonds with those characters. Hell, the reason we like the show in the first place is because we grew to like the characters. Why did everyone complain about the Others? Because they were taking time away from our tailies. We wanted the characters we'd come to care about during season 1. And why did we care about them? Because we learned who they were through "filler" episodes.
In Battlestar Galactica, I've heard the same argument. Episodes that don't advance the main storyline are "filler" and are therefore pointless. That's bullshit. We learn so much more about the characters during these 'filler' episodes, and that's what's important to a show. The bond between viewer and character so that the viewer keeps tuning in to see what happens with their favorite characters.

/rant off

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 11, 2007, 7:47 pm

I agree. I enjoyed the Hurley episode (that Jesus centerpiece thing...rofl!)

[Show]
Of course, Ben could be lying. It's just too hard to tell!

[Show]: But, besides the "I'm Henry so-and-so" stuff in the beginning when he was trying to infiltrate the group, when has Ben lied? He withholds info sure, but has he ever lied to anyone that we know about? There really isn't a reason for him to lie about that anyway. It was an offhand remark in the sincerest of circumstances.

If you look at the show objectively, most of the sins of the characters fall on the folks from the plane, not the others.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 11, 2007, 8:11 pm

Not to mention Trisha Takanowa getting blown up by a meteor. That was hysterical.

Akanae · Post by **Akanae** » March 12, 2007, 2:07 pm

I've seen maybe 2-3 episodes from previous seasons, but I haven't bothered to go back and watch them all. I have a pretty good handle on the storyline from what I've seen. Also I watch it with my brother in law who has seen the whole series so he can answer my wtf? questions (or most of them anyway

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Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 12, 2007, 2:22 pm

Ok, well you need to at least go back and watch the "Pee on it!" scene if you get a chance. Funniest scene in the whole show, imo

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 12, 2007, 2:25 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpE5ZNL3-gw

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valryte · Post by **valryte** » March 12, 2007, 4:21 pm

See, people call those episodes like Hurley's filler. I beg to differ. They are episodes designed to increase of knowledge of characters. They are there to make us understand the characters and understand what makes them tick. They aren't filler, they're vital episodes. They help us form bonds with those characters.

I take it you've been watching the show from the beginning, right? You mean to tell me that after several seasons, you STILL need to see more about Hurley to make you understand more about him? To help you form bonds? Come on, if you haven't formed a bond with his character by now, you never will.

BTW, I never said that episode sucked. It has some great moments. I'm just saying, it was uneccessary.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 12, 2007, 4:50 pm

Kaldaur wrote:In Battlestar Galactica, I've heard the same argument. Episodes that don't advance the main storyline are "filler" and are therefore pointless. That's bullshit. We learn so much more about the characters during these 'filler' episodes, and that's what's important to a show. The bond between viewer and character so that the viewer keeps tuning in to see what happens with their favorite characters.

/rant off

Since this is obviously directed at me, I'll reiterate what I said before. It was a filler episode. It was a good filler episode, but in the terms of the main storyline it was filler. I wouldn't doubt that the creators of the show would classify it as a filler episode, or some other term that means the exact same thing. They have an overarching storyline for the season, and they have to fill in the blanks since there's 20 episodes to make. I don't see why you're taking such offense to this. I'm of course interested in watching ANY show based on the characters, but that doesn't change what the episode was. No one killed your cat here, chill.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 12, 2007, 6:18 pm

To be honest, it wasn't directed at you in any way. If you check the forums on the Battlestar Galactica website on Scifi, posters scream filler anytime the episode doesn't directly contribute to the conflict between Cylons and the humans. Even Kara's episode (Maelstrom) was called filler by a few people because the conflict with the cylons wasn't directly addressed.
These 'filler' episodes are also necessary because if an actor/actress doesn't feel like they are getting enough episodes that explore their past, they get antsy and wish to leave the show. Michael Shanks on Stargate is the first example that comes to mind. If you look at Seasons 4 and 5 of Stargate, he rarely got any episodes that directly contributed to his character development. He left the show. He came back a year later, and voila, he got a ton of more episodes during the following seasons. One way to keep your actors happy is to give them a background. Lost accomplishes this by flashback episodes.
Leonard Nimoy did the same thing during the original series. He was pissy the last two seasons because he felt like all he did was raise an eyebrow and spread his fingers. So they gave him a few episodes, and he shut up.

I know that Eko was killed off because the actor who played him felt like the character had been explored, and the writers agreed. So they axed him. Shannon wanted to do movies, so she got axed. If the actors feel like they aren't being examined, they leave (one of a few reasons they leave, anyway)

So, these episodes really aren't filler. They are side stories, and their conflict may be wrapped up in an episode, or they may not. They are, however, vital to the health of a show.

I don't have any cats. I wish I did, but I'm too poor to have animals.

Akanae · Post by **Akanae** » March 12, 2007, 8:19 pm

He's a guy, why doesn't he pee on his own foot!

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 15, 2007, 5:43 pm

The ending of last nights was good, made me really want to see next weeks.

[Show]: The whole Claire being Jack's half-sister didn't really surprise me. I figured there was some kind of connection between her and Jack's father after seeing the episode in season 2 where him and AL go to that one house in Australia and the argument ensues at the doorway. I wasn't sure *how* they fit together, but I figured there'd be something.

I was surprised when they showed the explosives in Locke's bag. It changed his interaction with the computer at the end from his obsession with pushing buttons to his need to stay on the island.

Now Jack... what was up there! Has he been brainwashed like Carl? Has something happened to convince him he's better off just accepting things? Or is he playing a game with them... and I don't mean football. Although the little dance he did was hilarious.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 17, 2007, 1:03 pm

Plus, the episode next Wednesday is Locke's, which means...the mystery of the wheelchair is revealed.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 17, 2007, 2:29 pm

Heh, I was talking with my brother after the episode and he asked "When are we going to find out about the accident?". My response was "Just before they kill Locke off". Hope I'm not right!

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 17, 2007, 9:22 pm

When you think about it, the core group has always remained intact. Most of the tailies are dead, the two kids, and a shit load of Others, but so far the major characters are still alive. I cannot believe that they have resolved John Locke's character to the point of death. If they do kill him off, heads will roll.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 19, 2007, 12:09 am

[Show]: How much you wanna bet that Locke's father is the guy who conned Sawyer's parents (and led to their deaths)? That's my only prediction for now. Well that, and that somehow Sun's father and Desmond's gf's father are somehow involved with the Dharma Initiative (there is big money and big power behind it). There are a lot of Daddy issues on this show!! Which reminds me of the biggest Daddy issue of all: Western religion, which I personally believe is at the root of all the mystery. Whether the island is symbolic or literal Garden of Eden/Purgatory/Good vs Evil crossroad, there is definitely something Judeo-Christian about it all.

The brother/sister reltionship they revealed this week felt a little soap-opera-y to me. Ok more than a little. . . But that's OK, I still found the reveal "shocking," albeit in a soap-oper-y "shocking" way.

Looking forward to the next episode. I LOVE Locke!! I f they kill him I will BE PISSED PISSED PISSED!!!

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 19, 2007, 12:14 am

Comment on "filler" episodes. Some episodes may seem like they aren't essential to the overall story, but there is really no way to tell if they do or don't figure into the main plot eventually. With this show there is no way of knowing if something seemingly inconsequential may end up being a big deal in the end.

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » March 19, 2007, 3:11 pm

[Show]: Locke is a cylon

[Show]: Oh wait, nm.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » March 19, 2007, 3:21 pm

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » March 29, 2007, 12:18 am

Bonus points tonight for the twist and playing 'Rump Shaker' at the start of the show.

Post by **Sylvus** » March 29, 2007, 1:14 am

I thought tonight was great. GREAT twist(s) and even though they went a different direction, they still progressed the overall story and filled in some holes at the same time.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 29, 2007, 5:16 am

That episode was sadistic! I knew where it was headed at the end but I was still watching with a bit of horror

Great episode.

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » March 29, 2007, 10:36 am

I loved that ending. I was waiting for the hand to pop up out of the sand, but it was ultimately more satisfying when that didn't happen.
It gave me creepy spider dreams though

redeemed · Post by **redeemed** » March 29, 2007, 3:36 pm

Sylvus wrote:I thought tonight was great. GREAT twist(s) and even though they went a different direction, they still progressed the overall story and filled in some holes at the same time.

wait what?
can you please name one way they progressed anything that had to do with the plot even remotely? or one hole that was filled other than "who are those two new people"?

sorry to be the negative nancy here but seriously guys.. the whole episode was a waste as far as the "big picture" is concerned.. all they did was back story on two characters we didn't know.. the only thing that happened that was relevant to our characters is that Sun now knows the others weren't the ones that tried to "abduct" her.. no, really, that's it..
my peeps that watch Lost all agreed that this one was only *slightly* better than the Hugo filler episode..
I'm glad we can move on from the two most remote and pointless characters and actually get back to the story next week

/rant off

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » March 29, 2007, 11:38 pm

Please.

Quoting Locke from twenty minutes earlier in the episode.

Nothing on this island stays buried.

Those two idiots will be back.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » March 30, 2007, 1:33 am

It filled in a few holes, but in terms of progressing the story, no, not really. But it was an episode that captured the feel of Lost very well.

Tyek · Post by **Tyek** » March 30, 2007, 1:40 pm

The writer of that episode, Brian K. Vaughan was on Ron and Fez a month ago. He is a new writer for the staff and has a comic background. He wrote Ex Machina and Y: The Last man.

He said the episode was designed to get fans to understand these 2 characters and their motives and personalities better, which means we will probably being seeing more of them. As a side note, the "Razzle Dazzle" lines we put in as a gag. They are used on a bit from Ron and Fez called board gossip. Vaughn said if you watch carefully you can catch all kinds of Steven King references, and other pop culture tributes.

Post by **Sylvus** » April 5, 2007, 11:53 am

Anyone know where you can get a full spoiler of the episodes? My tivo was borked last night and I missed the first half of that episode. I'd like to fill in some holes.

/edit: nm, i found it.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 5, 2007, 1:51 pm

Good episode.

[Show]: Julianne (that's her name, right?) is obviously a mole. Glad to see Sayid and Kate didn't just trust her by default, but Jack wasn't a surprise Sawyer's a baby-daddy. Ok? The Flashback part was pretty insignificant, but can't have an episode without some kind of flashback Hurley tricking Sawyer into being nice to people was great.

Post by **Sylvus** » April 5, 2007, 3:13 pm

Dregor Thule wrote:
[Show]
Julianne (that's her name, right?) is obviously a mole. Glad to see Sayid and Kate didn't just trust her by default, but Jack wasn't a surprise Sawyer's a baby-daddy. Ok? The Flashback part was pretty insignificant, but can't have an episode without some kind of flashback Hurley tricking Sawyer into being nice to people was great.

[Show]: yeah, it was pretty insignificant, but just another way that the characters tied together. Cassidy wanted Sawyer to teach her how to con, then she ran cons with Kate. Jack's dad is Claire's father. etc...

I also found this link interesting, though it's all baseless speculation. http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?a ... iew;id=260

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » April 8, 2007, 3:57 am

Sylvus wrote: I also found this link interesting, though it's all baseless speculation. http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?a ... iew;id=260

[Show]: It makes sense that "Smokey" (as it seems to be called by the online community) is something related to Cerberus. Who was it that referred to it sometime ago as a kind of "security system" for the island? Cerberus guarded the gates to Hades...

My favorite mystery, however, is the four-toed statue.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » April 8, 2007, 4:04 am

LostPedia
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page

I'm in trouble now. I'll be reading this for hours....

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 8, 2007, 4:27 am

Lalanae wrote:LostPedia
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page

I'm in trouble now. I'll be reading this for hours....

Don't look directly into the light! Avert your eyes!

You can also check out http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/ after watching each episode to see all the crazy things people find hidden in the episodes, and the latest conspiracy theory.

Post by **Sylvus** » April 12, 2007, 12:49 am

Okay, how about this week? Can I get agreement that this was a good episode?

[Show]: So is Juliet bad or good? That scene with her and Ben when he was coaching her, what was up with the look in her eyes when he questioned her? Does she really want off the island as bad as Jack thinks? Is she triple-crossing the Others?

I really liked that one.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 12, 2007, 3:41 am

This episode was awesome. Things are really ramping up with each episode now, the end of the seasons gonna be great.

I don't think she's betraying Ben. I don't think there's any love for him, but as long as she thinks he's her best bet for getting off the island she'll follow along.

"See you in a week". Oh yes, the finale is gonna be good.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » April 12, 2007, 10:53 am

This was one of my favorite episodes this season. A lot was revealed.

[Show]: I think Juliet is bad. You saw her do whatever it took to get what she wanted. What an evil smile she had at the end of the episode.

Great twist about Ethan. He was actually trying to help Claire out in season 1. So now the question is, why can't women give birth without dying and how the hell did Ben get cancer again. I'm assuming the island cures cancer and many other things.

Post by **Sylvus** » April 12, 2007, 11:02 am

Lynks wrote:This was one of my favorite episodes this season. A lot was revealed.

[Show]
I think Juliet is bad. You saw her do whatever it took to get what she wanted. What an evil smile she had at the end of the episode.

Great twist about Ethan. He was actually trying to help Claire out in season 1. So now the question is, why can't women give birth without dying and how the hell did Ben get cancer again. I'm assuming the island cures cancer and many other things.

[Show]: but was Ethan really helping Claire out? What about when ben was like "activate the implant" and that made it look like she had a problem that required the injections. How much of what Juliet said was true and how much was bullshit?

Such a good episode. Keep that up, Lost!

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » April 12, 2007, 11:47 am

I missed the first half of the episode
!@#%@$

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » April 12, 2007, 12:30 pm

Sylvus wrote:
[Show]
but was Ethan really helping Claire out? What about when ben was like "activate the implant" and that made it look like she had a problem that required the injections. How much of what Juliet said was true and how much was bullshit?
Such a good episode. Keep that up, Lost!

[Show]: I think Ethan really was. The show usually doesn't lie or deceive us when it does flashback scenes. I really do think they were trying to save her. Thats why Ben sent out their only 2 doctors to each part of the island.

The only part I think Juliet lied about was when she said they need medication to survive. I think that if she gave birth off the island, she would be fine forever OR that Juliet actually found a cure. 2 years had passed since people were dying. Thats enough time for her to find a cure.

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » April 12, 2007, 1:15 pm

Didn't Rousseau (sp) have Alex on the Island?

Taison Earbiter · Post by **Taison Earbiter** » April 12, 2007, 3:22 pm

rhyae wrote:Didn't Rousseau (sp) have Alex on the Island?

Ben also claimed he was born on the island.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 12, 2007, 7:41 pm

[Show]: Something that hasn't been mentioned yet here is the significance of Jacob. He's been refered to before in the brainwashing sequence, a quote with the name Jacob flashes on the screen. So... who or what is Jacob!

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » April 18, 2007, 5:39 am

rhyae wrote:Didn't Rousseau (sp) have Alex on the Island?

[Show]: Yes, but she was pregnant when she arrived. Juliet suggested to Ben that the problem may occur at conception. It sounds to me like women who get pregnant while on the island are the ones succeptible. Those who are already pregnant when they arrive are OK. Roussea was fine afterwards, Claire was fine afterwards (the implant caused her "illness").

I'm not sure if I would trust the flashback sequences with Ethan and Claire because most of what you see is just old scenes with Juliet narrating it from a different POV. The story she told could still be a load of shit.

I realized with the last episode how much I can't stand Juliet and that look she has ALL the time. The way she looks at everyone like "I'm trying really hard to look like I empathize with you" but she never says a goddamn thing. I was calling her a cunt within the first 5 minutes of the show. So, I was moderately pleased when the show confirmed her cunt-ness at the end.

Also, does anyone else think that Charlie and Claire have zero chemistry? The idea of them "hooking up" makes me kind of ill. They were cute the first couple episodes of the show, but now they're just annoying.

redeemed · Post by **redeemed** » April 18, 2007, 6:13 am

Lalanae wrote:LostPedia
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page

thanks for that.. pretty much every theory my faithful Lost siblings and I have come up with are addressed there.. plus lots of other randomly cool stuffs

and I also don't trust Juliet for shit ;p

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » April 18, 2007, 2:27 pm

Lalanae wrote:
Also, does anyone else think that Charlie and Claire have zero chemistry? The idea of them "hooking up" makes me kind of ill. They were cute the first couple episodes of the show, but now they're just annoying.

Amen.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » April 19, 2007, 4:05 am

Sometimes a show will end at a point where you have to say "Fuck!" out loud. Tonights episode was one of those episodes. Desmond is a great character.

Homercles · Post by **Homercles** » April 19, 2007, 10:37 am

Looks like next week we get to learn more about the pregnancy issue. Sun is gonna get into Juliets face.
Sun concieved on the island. Miraculously. Will she have the same fate as the island women? Or will she carry to term?

Post by **Sylvus** » April 19, 2007, 11:12 am

Did she conceive on the island? Where her and Jin having sex there? I realize before she came to the island there were supposed to be issues that prevent her from conceiving, but how did she know she was pregnant on the island? Was it just a "feeling"?

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » April 19, 2007, 11:32 am

Sylvus wrote:Did she conceive on the island? Where her and Jin having sex there? I realize before she came to the island there were supposed to be issues that prevent her from conceiving, but how did she know she was pregnant on the island? Was it just a "feeling"?

Jin was the reason she couldn't get pregnant. I had assumed that she was pregnant by the guy that her dad busted her with in the hotel. If the island made people "better," then I guess she and Jin could have conceived on it.