The Official PS3 thread!

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » June 30, 2009, 9:30 am

You'll be able to DL 1080p on Xbox by fall.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 30, 2009, 9:40 am

People won't have to buy any physical media soon. Blu Ray was too slow to adopt and technology is already advancing past it.

What HD media technology is adopting at a faster rate than Blu Ray?
It sure as fuck isn't digital media.

I doubt think many people are going to be downloading 20-40 gig uncompressed 1080p digital version of new release movies.. and certainly not on their fucking tiny semi-proprietary hard drive Xboxes that they can't even really upgrade.

And there's something to be said for having a physical copy of a movie. Some people like to display/show-off their movie collection while some people like to lend movies to friends.

Also, they will not simply "make fewer DVDs". That isn't how it works at all. The market dictates when demand drops, not the companies.

In what reality are you living?
Manufacturers, publishers and retailers sure as hell help shape demand.
Offering sales/promotions for Blu Ray... creating artifical shortages of titles on DVD... prominently displaying Blu Ray products instore... heavy advertising pushes for Blu Ray products. Some of it is blatant and in your face and some of it is a lot more subliminal.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 30, 2009, 9:41 am

Fairweather Pure wrote:You'll be able to DL 1080p on Xbox by fall.

And where are you gonna put it?

I spent $90 to upgrade my PS3 to a 500 gig drive a few months ago.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » June 30, 2009, 11:32 am

Boy, you really pick the wrong side of technology debates. The PS3 is in third place by a large margin and Blu Ray is a dissappointment in terms of adoption and sales on all fronts.

VHS to DVD was a massive jump in quality, efficiency and usability, everyone will agree with that. The simple truth is, as good as HD is, it's not the same league in quality, efficiency and usability jump again.

DVD already gives you instant access to chapters, the same size discs, 5.1 surround, widescreen, quality good enough for most. For most BD won't be considered until hardware and software is the same price as DVDs. Which is unlikely to happen anytime soon. It's the whole revolution vs evolution all over again. Mini discs never caught on either because they weren't superior enough to the well established CD.

High Resolution Audio showed us that mass market adoption doesn't necessarily mean higher quality will immediately sell. Sure BD is doing significantly better than DVD-Audio/SACD ever did but will it ever overtake DVD? I cannot see it.

The next big thing will be HD movies streamed over the web. Users will be able to pick what they want, when they want. There will be no need to have shelves of discs. No late fees or waiting. It will all just be there. Just like it is has happened MP3s replacing CDs.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » June 30, 2009, 11:46 am

miir wrote:What HD media technology is adopting at a faster rate than Blu Ray?
It sure as fuck isn't digital media.

When Neflix and Microsoft first announced that Netflix video streaming was coming to the Xbox 360, we knew people would sign up for the service in droves. It looks like that is exactly what has happend, as both companies have announced that over 1 Million Xbox Live gold members have downloaded the Neflix application onto their Xbox 360 console.

What we are waiting to see is if Neflix will launch a “Streaming Only” Netflix subscription option, for say $5.99 a month? Would you sign up for that price? Or would you sign up for the 1 Blu-ray at a time plan instead?

How long has Netflix been on available on Xbox? I forget. That article if from Feb of '09.

You talk like streaming HD is from some Star Trek-like future. I'll be watching streaming 1080p movies in my living room in 6 months.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 30, 2009, 11:59 am

For most BD won't be considered until hardware and software is the same price as DVDs. Which is unlikely to happen anytime soon.

If you had made this comment two years ago, you might have had a point...
Actually, I think you have been clinging to this point for the past two years, trying to justify your enormous monetary investment in the DVD format. You see, I have no bias in this discussion. I have no sentimental or monetary attachment to a format that is in decline and will become obsolete in a few years.

The truth is that Blu Ray prices are quickly coming in line with DVD prices.

The Special Edition for Wolverine on Blu Ray can be preordered at Amazon for $27.99.. exactly FIVE dollars more than the SE DVD.
The director's cut of Watchmen will be THE EXACT SAME PRICE on Blu Ray and DVD.

Blu Ray players have dropped drastically in price in the past two years.
You can now find them for as low as $150.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » June 30, 2009, 12:01 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:You talk like streaming HD is from some Star Trek-like future. I'll be watching streaming 1080p movies in my living room in 6 months.

Wanna bet?

Fash · Post by **Fash** » June 30, 2009, 12:46 pm

miir wrote:Blu Ray players have dropped drastically in price in the past two years.
You can now find them for as low as $150.

$128 at Walmart last weekend!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 30, 2009, 1:49 pm

Aardor wrote: The funny part is, we're not even f'n close. 720P vs 1080P is such a huge difference, but most people are way to ignorant to realize this.

Look at all the Wii users that could give a shit about pixelated graphics. The end is near.

People used to say MP3s would never take off because 4mb for a song was insane and now electrionic distribution of music is #1. I know it's hard, but embrace the future. Open your eyes. Physical media is dead. Videos will fall faster than audio did. In comparison to the size and cost of hard drives back when people shit their pants over 4mb audio files, the current state of hard drive storage is much better.

Fat lazy fucks couldn't be happier sitting on their couch, selecting movies without having to get their fat lazy fuck asses out of their chair to switch DVDs or Blu Rays.

Revisit this thread just before the end in 2012 and acknowledge your lack of foresight.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » June 30, 2009, 1:51 pm

Fash wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:You talk like streaming HD is from some Star Trek-like future. I'll be watching streaming 1080p movies in my living room in 6 months.
Wanna bet?

It will be compressed, less quality, and not have nearly the audio channels that blu-ray does. Seriously, how are you going to store one 35+ GB movie file on the 360, let alone 2? Or how is the 360 going to output anything more than 5.1?

Edit: Oh man, You're basing all of your info off the E3 360 press release. "1080p streaming HD ZUNE video," which you assume to be near the same quality as Blu-Ray, despite already not having even close to the audio level. We'll have to see when it gets released, and compared to, you know, real 1080p content.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » June 30, 2009, 1:52 pm

Winnow wrote:
Aardor wrote: The funny part is, we're not even f'n close. 720P vs 1080P is such a huge difference, but most people are way to ignorant to realize this.

Look at all the Wii users that could give a shit about pixelated graphics. The end is near.

People used to say MP3s would never take off because 4mb for a song was insane and now electrionic distribution of music is #1. I know it's hard, but embrace the future. Open your eyes. Physical media is dead. Videos will fall faster than audio did. In comparison to the size and cost of hard drives back when people shit their pants over 4mb audio files, the current state of hard drive storage is much better.

Fat lazy fucks couldn't be happier sitting on their couch, selecting movies without having to get their fat lazy fuck asses out of their chair to switch DVDs or Blu Rays.

Revisit this thread just before the end in 2012 and acknowledge your lack of foresight.

Sure, we'll see how your digital download crushing blu-ray do too. Note, I didn't say it wouldn't happen, I said it's going to take awhile.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » June 30, 2009, 2:06 pm

What's wrong with 5.1? It's not like Blu Ray is adopting the 7.1 surround as standard. The list of actual 7.1 Blu Ray films is embarassing.

Here is the list: http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats ... &Audio=7.1

The lossless audio list is far better, but what % of the market has the audio equipment to exploit that? How does that help the media if no one can tell the difference?

That same site will show you Blu Ray's whopping 8% share of the market.

Also, it's not the fact that DLing 1080p is going to "crush" Blu Ray. What it will do is stop even more people from adopting the technology. It will pull the rug out from under them. Blu Ray is not the future.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » June 30, 2009, 2:13 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:What's wrong with 5.1? It's not like Blu Ray is adopting the 7.1 surround as standard. The list of actual 7.1 Blu Ray films is embarassing.

Here is the list: http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats ... &Audio=7.1

The lossless audio list is far better, but what % of the market has the audio equipment to exploit that? How does that help the media if no one can tell the difference?

That same site will show you Blu Ray's whopping 8% share of the market.

Also, it's not the fact that DLing 1080p is going to "crush" Blu Ray. What it will do is stop even more people from adopting the technology. It will pull the rug out from under them. Blu Ray is not the future.

Your argument sounds like the one made of 1080p vs 720p (not even counting the same argument made with i). Blu Ray is part of the future, as are compressed "HD" streams. 8% is more than DVD had in it's first year of being the exclusive new hard media.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » June 30, 2009, 3:03 pm

The bigger issues with Digital Downlaods are going to be the barriers of entry.

With disk-based media the barriers are getting the player, then the media. People are used to these and money becomes the only issue.

With Digital downloads, the barriers are the devices, the services(subscription, funny money(mspoints) or credit card purchases, the internet connection etc.). All barriers that are ~~easier~~ harder to overcome.

Personally, I don't think the average home user really gives a shit about 5.1 or 7.1 audio, compression and/or lossless formats. Those are toys for the audiophiles/videophiles out there and don't weigh very heavily with average joe.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 30, 2009, 3:19 pm

With disk-based media the barriers are getting the player, then the media. People are used to these and money becomes the only issue.

With Digital downloads, the barriers are the devices, the services(subscription, funny money(mspoints) or credit card purchases, the internet connection etc.). All barriers that are easier to overcome.

How are those barriers easier to overcome?

Any idiot can get in their car and go to a store and buy a Blu Ray player and some Blu Ray movies. $150 will get them on their way.

For streaming psuedo-HD to an xbox, a person has to go out and buy a 360, hook it up to their network, configure their router, create an account, 'buy points' so that they can 'rent' a movie and make sure that they have the highest speed plan with thier ISP that can accomodate massive amounts of streaming data.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » June 30, 2009, 3:21 pm

Bandwidth is going to be the biggest barrier for digital stuff. With more ISP's going to tiered plans and making the bandwidth cap on their entry level plans relatively low, things like HD streaming, that new video game thing you don't need a console for, etc are going to have a hard time getting the crowd they really need to focus on getting (not people on vv) to use these products/services.

I'm not saying this is a roadblock that can't be overcome, just that it is the biggest hurdle imo.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » June 30, 2009, 3:22 pm

miir wrote:
With disk-based media the barriers are getting the player, then the media. People are used to these and money becomes the only issue.

With Digital downloads, the barriers are the devices, the services(subscription, funny money(mspoints) or credit card purchases, the internet connection etc.). All barriers that are easier to overcome.
How are those barriers easier to overcome?

Any idiot can get in their car and go to a store and buy a Blu Ray player and some Blu Ray movies. $150 will get them on their way.

For streaming psuedo-HD to an xbox, a person has to go out and buy a 360, hook it up to their network, configure their router, create an account, 'buy points' so that they can 'rent' a movie and make sure that they have the highest speed plan with thier ISP that can accomodate massive amounts of streaming data.

Gah sorry about that. Someone interrupted the writing of the post and I had lost my train of thought when I came back to it.

Struk out easier and replaced it with harder which is what I originally ment.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 30, 2009, 3:28 pm

Heheh, ok

miir · Post by **miir** » June 30, 2009, 3:35 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:Bandwidth is going to be the biggest barrier for digital stuff. With more ISP's going to tiered plans and making the bandwidth cap on their entry level plans relatively low, things like HD streaming, that new video game thing you don't need a console for, etc are going to have a hard time getting the crowd they really need to focus on getting (not people on vv) to use these products/services.

I'm not saying this is a roadblock that can't be overcome, just that it is the biggest hurdle imo.

If people start using large amounts of bandwidth to download HD content, you can bet that ISPs are going to start moving o usage based plans. ISPs will have to upgrade their infrastructure to sustain widespread HD content streaming... and those costs will obviously be passed on to their customers.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 30, 2009, 4:55 pm

Fairweather used 1.2 TB in a single month. That's 48 full blown 25 GB Blu Rays.

Despite all the doom and gloom bandwidth predictions, there's lots more bandwidth to be had. 30Mbps will be common and with a pipe like that, you can download whatever you want. You could stream uncompressed Blu Ray (quality) as you could grab 10 GB + an hour easy.

But again, as the Wii has proven, people don't give a shit about video quality so 720p will be enough to bring down Blu Ray.

miir · Post by **miir** » June 30, 2009, 5:01 pm

I actually enjoy arguing with Fair.
He brings a good mix of facts, trolling and drama to his posts.

You've turned into nothing but a worthless troll, Winnow.
Time to step up your game!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 30, 2009, 5:12 pm

I'm not trolling on this thread. There are a few colorful metaphors but that's about it.

hell, even YouTube streams video at a higher resolution video than the Wii can display. Digital Distribution is mainstream.

Hello iTunes. Hello Steam. Videos in progress.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » June 30, 2009, 8:20 pm

Few questions.

1. Did DVD have to win a format war before being anointed as the successor to VHS? Was it a format war in which two virtually identical products were competing at the exact same time? If not, I think the comparison of Blu-Ray versus DVD adoption rates in their "first year of being the exclusive new hard media" is kind of apples to oranges. If so, then it's a good point.

2. This question has been asked, but how many people really give a shit about things like compressed/uncompressed, 5.1/7.1, 1080p/720p, etc? I know I'm a broken record here, but I think that technophiles of all stripes (most members of this board) waaaayyyy overestimate the importance to the general public of having the absolute most cutting-edge technology. Now, that said, it's probably true that the best technology generally wins out over time, but that's certainly not an absolute. Does anyone have any data on the extent to which relatively marginal differences in quality among top-end technology products affect sales?

I shall note here that I don't like the constant repetition of the idea that those who don't know, for instance, the difference between 1080p and 720p are ignorant or foolish or stupid or whatever. The fact that I don't know dick about these things doesn't mean that you're smarter than me, it means that we have different priorities. Additionally, the fact that I don't give a shit about the quality of my video and you do doesn't mean that you're better or more cultured than me, it means that we have different priorities. I bet I know more than most technophiles about Supreme Court cases, and I can better appreciate the beauty of a sublimely written opinion, but I don't get on your case about that, so back the fuck off.

3. Will the multiplicity of formats currently available for digital media cause a spike in demand for streaming content? The dynamic I'm curious about is as follows: If a person has a variety of devices that can play a type of media (say movies) in a variety of hard formats (DVD, Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, LaserDisc, whatever), as well as possessing the capacity to play that media in a variety of digital formats (various forms of DRM-style protection on electronic formats), such that it simply becomes really inconvenient to manage your movie collection (well we could watch that movie, but I only own it on DVD, and we could watch that one, but little Susie's using the PS3 and that's our only DVD player, and we could stream this one from my computer to the TV via the Xbox 360, but we've already hit the maximum number of devices on which it can be played)... will that person eventually just say "fuck it, it's not worth the hassle," and sign up for streaming Netflix? Or perhaps if someone is enough of a technophile to have the capacity to do all those things, they also won't care about the hassle and would never settle for low(ish) quality streaming video?

4. On a related note, will we ever get to the point where you only have to pay for intellectual property ONCE? That is, say you buy Ricky Bobby on DVD. Shouldn't you be permitted to download a digital copy of Ricky Bobby for a nominal fee? Shouldn't you be permitted to purchase a blu-ray version of Ricky Bobby for nothing more than the costs of printing and distributing the disc? Shouldn't there be a database where you can register the media products that you've legitimately purchased, which could then be used to allow you to enjoy your media in whatever format you choose?

miir · Post by **miir** » June 30, 2009, 9:08 pm

4. On a related note, will we ever get to the point where you only have to pay for intellectual property ONCE? That is, say you buy Ricky Bobby on DVD. Shouldn't you be permitted to download a digital copy of Ricky Bobby for a nominal fee? Shouldn't you be permitted to purchase a blu-ray version of Ricky Bobby for nothing more than the costs of printing and distributing the disc? Shouldn't there be a database where you can register the media products that you've legitimately purchased, which could then be used to allow you to enjoy your media in whatever format you choose?

Many Blu Ray and DVD releases now include a digital copy.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » June 30, 2009, 9:36 pm

Sueven, in addition to your comments about people not giving a shit about the quality (to a point), the argument from others about the quality between 1080P and 720P is the weakest. Keep in mind that 720P is easily streamable now:

As of today, many of you probably own or are thinking about buying a 1080p HDTV. A 1080p picture can be astounding when sitting the proper distance from the screen. However, a large percentage of you are sitting too far from your TV. I've seen many people who have a nice 32″ 1080p television, but it's 15′ from where they are sitting! This is undesirable because the human eye can only see the enhanced details offered by 1080p from certain distances.

So how far away from your TV should you be sitting? Well, that all depends on the size of the TV. If you have a 60" HDTV you should be sitting around the 8 foot mark. Those who have a 32" need to be sitting about 4 feet to get the full 1080p effect. Below are the recommended lengths you should be sitting from your 1080i/p TV depending on screen size.

Optimal Viewing Distances

• 28″ set: 3.7 ft
• 32″ set: 4.3 ft
• 37″ set: 4.7 ft
• 40″ set: 5.3 ft
• 42″ set: 5.6 ft
• 46″ set: 6.0 ft
• 50″ set: 6.5 ft
• 52″ set: 6.8 ft
• 60″ set: 7.8 ft
• 63″ set: 8.0 ft
• 70″ set: 9.0 ft

Unless you're within that viewing range, 1080P means jack shit over 720P, and even then, it's minimal at best to the non videophile.

Bottom line is that 720P is easily streamable now and the bandwidth situation will only get better from here on out. People would be fools not to see the route Music and PC games have gone and not realize Movies are going to follow the same route, sooner rather than later.

I'm anal about most things but will download 800mb movies from the newsgroups that have been ripped from DVDs and watch them with no irritation as to the picture quality. Admittedly, I always grabbed the 720P version of Battlestar Galactica because there is a difference in quality but for your average run of the mill movie, I can live with lessor quality for many movies.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 1, 2009, 2:46 am

miir wrote:I actually enjoy arguing with Fair.
He brings a good mix of facts, trolling and drama to his posts.

Fuck you too!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » July 3, 2009, 11:15 pm

PS3 being bundled at Best Buy with MSG4 and Killzone 2

http://kotaku.com/5305883/ps3-bundle-in ... killzone-2

miir · Post by **miir** » July 4, 2009, 9:42 am

That's a great deal for two of the best PS3 titles.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 4, 2009, 10:16 am

That is one of the best bundles I have ever seen. Notice how it is playing to hardcore gamers. Sony needs to do more of this.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » July 4, 2009, 10:22 am

Even I could be swayed by a deal like that...

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 4, 2009, 10:45 am

I just remembered seeing a 360 elite bundle for $400 a little while ago that had Halo 3 and Fable 2. That was also a really good package deal.

Edit: This is still available

miir · Post by **miir** » August 18, 2009, 2:42 pm

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ps3-s ... ce-cut-now

13:34:23 -
"Allow me to introduce the latest version of PS3, available in stores throughout the world from the first week of September."

13:36:08 -
It looks thin and square and matte, not fat and shiny and pianoy like the old one, but still curved.

13:35:06 -
32 per cent smaller, 36 per cent lighter, consumes 34 per cent less power than the original.

13:36:22 -
"Two nine nine." That's the price. In Euros. Er, AND dollars. And it's 29.980 yen. So that's about 400 pounds then? That price will apply to the old model too, from tomorrow.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » August 18, 2009, 2:59 pm

Engadget's got a shot of the PS3Slim: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/18/sony ... immer-ps3/

Seems lacking on the sexy. I wish it was a real picture instead of a marketing shot that obfuscates the actual size.....

Fash · Post by **Fash** » August 18, 2009, 3:09 pm

I will purchase one of these for $299.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » August 18, 2009, 3:18 pm

Ya know, between the PSP, the 360 and PC gaming, I don't have enough time to throw another system into the mix, let alone the funds to through another set of razor-blades(games) to buy for the system.

My wife and I are also expecting our 2nd child in November so my time will be even more constrained.

Maybe I'll try to snag one of these as a combo gift from people. I do want one, I just can't reasonably justify spending my own money it.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » August 18, 2009, 4:12 pm

better image:

But... the Slim will not have the option of installing Linux!!

The new PS3 system will focus on delivering games and other entertainment content, and users will not be able to install other Operating Systems to the new PS3 system.

http://www.scee.presscentre.com/Content ... wsAreaID=2

Post by **Sylvus** » August 18, 2009, 4:19 pm

Does it still have Blu Ray?

If so, consider me sold.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » August 18, 2009, 4:25 pm

Still does Blu-Ray.

Comparitive picture. This thing is TINY.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 18, 2009, 4:41 pm

I was really hoping for backwards compatibility via firmware update.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 18, 2009, 6:44 pm

If it didn't do Blu-Ray... You'd kinda be fucked if you wanted to play any (sold in store) games.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 18, 2009, 11:22 pm

Why is everyone getting excited over a slightly smaller version of the PS3? Probably has overheating issues. Its there now a power brick or is that still in the main unit?

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » August 19, 2009, 12:29 am

The power supply is in the box as it as with the original PS3, personally I'm more interested in the price cut. I'll probably own this within the next 12 months.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 19, 2009, 1:14 am

While the fans were pretty much the same between the two consoles, the disc drive is noticeably louder (but not a ton louder) on the PS3 Slim. Using a decibel-meter app on the iPhone, the Slim got somewhere between 25-33dB when playing the game, and the PS3 Fat got between 22-30dB. It's not a huge difference, but you should remember that decibels are logarithmic, so every 3 decibels equals about double the loudness, give or take

Sweet. I love extra noise. Especially when playing movies!

360 comes out with new version = quieter
PS3 new version = hotter and louder

progress! Bad idea keeping power supply in that cramped, ugly shaped shape.

Seems like Sony likes to go backwards. My original 60GB 100% backwards compatible PS3 is still the best of the bunch. Take away ports, take away card reader...jeeze. Nice.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 19, 2009, 9:35 am

If you're really concerned about the possibility the PS3 slim might be a bit louder than the chubby PS3, just get the chubby, you fucking moron.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » August 19, 2009, 10:37 am

miir wrote:If you're really concerned about the possibility the PS3 slim might be a bit louder than the chubby PS3, just get the chubby, you fucking moron.

Ragging on the PS3 gives Winnow a chubby.

Chidoro · Post by **Chidoro** » August 19, 2009, 11:49 am

Pretty impressive shrinking job. Still, it needs to keep cool, needs to lay flat, and needs to have something exclusive I care about. Still come challenges ahead but $300 is a good price point.

I already stream on-demand hd movies from comcast. I have it for 24 hours, it's hd, and then I'm done with it. blu-ray is not a selling point for me. Thruthfully, if it's not a disney/pixar movie, (because kids love to watch the same things over and over again), I don't need a physical copy of the film. It just doesn’t really matter that much to have a disc any longer. I can on-demand a ton of stuff already and a lot of it is already included in my subscription cost. That's probably why the new PSP isn't even including a UMD slot, physical media is becoming obsolete.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 19, 2009, 1:57 pm

miir wrote:If you're really concerned about the possibility the PS3 slim might be a bit louder than the chubby PS3, just get the chubby, you fucking moron.

Have fun waiting to play your ps2 games. Doesn't look like backwards compatibility is coming anytime soon.

"If you're concerned about backward compatibility, buy a...." oh, what's that dipshit? That's right! There is no PS3 option for you anymore except eBay.

PS: PS2 games look like ass anyway, you'll be disappointed.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 19, 2009, 2:21 pm

That's a pretty lame troll, even by your standards.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » August 19, 2009, 2:46 pm

There's absolutely no proof that the slim will run any hotter than the previous one. They've scaled down the processor and the GPU to 45nm architecture and the power usage(which is the cause of heat) is reduced quite a bit. I'm pretty sure that Sony would not kill their 2nd wind by purposefully causing the slim to overheat and potentially have a problem like MS have on their hands with the 360.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » August 19, 2009, 2:58 pm

I don't really understand the BC issue... If I wanted to play PS2 games, I'd buy a PS2.

20 some years later and software still can't perfectly emulate the Nintendo.

I also doubt the PS3 Slim will have overheating issues... That's one hole they aren't going to fall in.