NFL News/Discussion 2009

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » October 6, 2009, 7:36 pm

Psyloche wrote:He's played in games where his team won but that doesn't imply he did well against those defenses, to me. His passing stats say to me, even though he was in plenty games on the winning side, it wasn't due to him. He's done well this year, but I don't consider any of the teams he's played so far as good defenses.

Wow, I don't know where to start. First of all, during his time as a starting QB in the nfl, he played against good defenses, and won.
His career stats:
574/1030, 6225 yards, 38 td, 27 int, 168 yds/game, 74.1 rating, 25-12 as a starter. These stats are OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS better if you factor out his rookie year, when he was thrown onto an injury plagued team, in a shitty situation, and still put up decent stats and WON.

This year:
69/117, 906 yards, 59.0%, 5 tds, 0 ints, 227 yd/game, 97.7 rating, 4-0 as a starter. These are pretty damn good stats. As far as playing a good defense this year, none of them are top 10, but the Bengals are 12/32 (pretty good), 31/32 browns (ok, really bad), 21/32 raiders (not good but not awful), and 14/32 cowboys (pretty good). I guess we'll have to wait till they play the giants (7th), eagles (11th), patriots (10th), or redskins (5th) to see them play a better defense, none of which are much, much better thandefenses they have already played.

Last year:
272/465, 2972 yds, 58.5%, 18 tds, 12 ints, 198 yd/gm, 79.6 rating, 9-6 as a starter.

He doesn't throw many ints. He throws more tds than ints, for a good number of yards. So far this year, he has thrown 0 ints. This is the first year where he has actually been supported as aqb by his coach/team. Most of all, he wins games when he is a teams QB. So yeah, i think you are an idiot for making a blanket statement of "he sucks." Maybe ignorant or delusional would be a bette rway to describe you in this situation.

So I don't agree with you saying my statement is "idiotic" or how his win/loss ratio in games played, with shitty passing stats "blows my argument out of the water".

See above. Learn to read statistics and not base your statements off your "feelings" that have very little basis in reality.

Also, meant to reply to Cane earlier, I kind of like the Denver D. I just don't like Orton, but apparently I'm idiotic for thinking he sucks.

Glad you kind of like the #1 defense in the NFL (by far). Sorry you don't like Orton for no discernible (at least in this debate) reason, and yes you are idiotic for thinking so.

Psyloche · Post by **Psyloche** » October 6, 2009, 9:41 pm

Fuck it back pedal time, I'll admit that me saying Kyle Orton sucks can statistically be wrong, because I haven't seen every game he plays in, nor memorized his career stats. I was just never that impressed with him in the few I have. Frankly, I didn't think anyone would get that raged over me saying he sucks, but thank you stats man, thanks for pointing it out to me, that I am in fact, wrong, he does not suck.

But I still don't think he's that great, compared to the top NFL QB's right now. Shit is that too much of a blanket/patently false statement?

This is gonna be awesome, let me also say that I "kind of like the Denver D" because again, I've only seen them play:

Cin: These guys remind me of Dallas, they have potential to score a lot of TD's, but it just doesn't always click.
Cle: It's Cleveland
Oak: They have Jamarcus Russell (who does, in fact, suck)
Dal: See Cin comment

I really like some of their players, especially Champ and Dawkins and thought they pretty much handled Dallas most of the game, but I have to wonder if it was completely the D or was it Dallas also making some bad mistakes.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » October 7, 2009, 9:35 am

Well I was inspired by this latest action on the thread and picked up Orton for one of my leagues. I as plagued with crappy QB's and needed a change. I dumped Trent Edwards and benched Owens as a result. I hope Orton has an epic day this week against NE who hasn't really been all that great at defense this year compared to years past.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » October 7, 2009, 11:28 am

You get what you get with Orton. He can put up some numbers, but those numbers are based mainly on run after catch due to McDaniels offensive system. Pray that Marshall really busts out, and that Stokely comes back healthy. Those two guys can bolster Orton's stats, especially Marshall. I have yet to see much from Royal this season, but he has been on many clearing routes and is receiving more coverage teams. Marshall's arrival can change that.

I hope the D continues to improve. A solid effort Sunday can go a long ways to showing the NFL that they are for real, if what they did against Dallas was not enough.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » October 11, 2009, 9:03 pm

Bubba Grizz wrote:Well I was inspired by this latest action on the thread and picked up Orton for one of my leagues. I as plagued with crappy QB's and needed a change. I dumped Trent Edwards and benched Owens as a result. I hope Orton has an epic day this week against NE who hasn't really been all that great at defense this year compared to years past.

Haha, I would never have done that (well, i guess if Edwards was my starter), but really good call. The INT was BS, but I would rather teams throw bombs with 2 seconds left than kneeling. Otherwise, career day for Kyle Orton (330 yards, 35/48, 2 tds). It was an awesome game to watch (thank god it wasn't 49ers v falcons or seahawks v jaguars), a bit weird that the Broncos threw it so much even though they were running it pretty effectively.

I just have a hard on for Kyle Orton.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » October 12, 2009, 9:47 am

Last I checked this year, Orton had a 97.4 QB rating in Denver. Cutler last year had an 86.0 rating with the exact same players.

Last year Denver was 8-8 under Cutler. This year they are 5-0. (Please note there is a D in Denver)

What stupid fuckhead,non sport playing, armchair, madden playing, fantasy footbal faggots do not understand about actual sports is that some players are winners and some are losers. Orton is a winner. He makes the other players believe in themselves and they play harder because of the winners in the huddle. Stats are for losers and fantasy fags. Give me a QB that "manages the game" and manages to win 10-12 games a year and goes to playoffs and Super Bowls over any of these pass crazy bullshit QB's that cannot win.

Back to my cave. Fuck you all.

Gzette · Post by **Gzette** » October 12, 2009, 2:09 pm

I was surprised the Cards beat Houston. Also surprised I havent seen a post from Winnow about it yet. Titans are what 0-5 now? Bring back VY!!!!!

the Orton argument could be compared to Kerry Collins. He's a non-stat dude that just wins games, well until he doesn't. I don't think much of Jay cutler either. But Collins is as old as dirt, so not that accurate.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » October 12, 2009, 7:47 pm

I am enjoying my crow this season.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » October 15, 2009, 8:44 am

Well with as short a career as Orton has had, I think its a bit premature to call him a winner along the lines of someone like say Roethlisburger, but Broncorpse fans have to happy with the way things have worked out thus far.

I wonder how much more rope Jake Delhomme has in Carolina and Collins has in Tennessee. You could almost say the same for Jamarcus Russell in Oakland but everyone expects the Raiders to suck.

I still hope Jay Cutler shits the bed in Chicago.

Damn the Steelers D is looking questionable without Polamalu. They just seem incapable of playing a 60 minute game and defending the leads the Steeler offense is building for them.

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Back to my cave. Fuck you all.

Anyone else read that and hear Soundgarden's "Ty Cobb" in their head or was it just me?

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » October 15, 2009, 11:51 am

Nope! His voice is far too deep for Soundgarden. More like Barry White.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » October 15, 2009, 1:04 pm

@Wulfran:
Same sort of shit happened to the packers on a smaller scale when they dumped Sharper (first in a long series of TT bonehead moves). Without a dominating leader in the secondary, the entire defense sunk into mediocrity. The Steelers at least have a respectable pass ruch to take up some of the slack, but without a solid secondary situation people are making the second half adjustments and comming back on them late.

Russell is there to stay for a while, probably. They gave him way too good of a contract (gj Art!) and all he has to do is show up to collect his millions. No one is going to take him in trade given his obvious lack of NFL skill and motivation level. Collins is probably done after this year, as is Delhome. As for when, well the Titans have a descent enough O-Line to start working on the new guy, say one more loss into the season. The Panthers should have used the hook already.

I think the game against GB was more the abberation for Cutler and that the Packers were extremely lucky to win that game. As he has adjusted to the new system, he has steadily improved. I don't think they will win the division, by any shot, but they are certainly more likely than the Cards to take a wild card spot.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » October 15, 2009, 2:40 pm

I agree that likely Collins and Delhomme are done. The Titans will have to get another veteran QB in there because I just don't see Young being successful in the NFL--not for lack of skill--it is simply because he has not the mental capacity to handle the position at the professional level.

Russell would not be starting, much less playing, on any other team than the Raiders. Sweetbabyjesus blass Al Davis. May he live another 100 years and still have full control of that team. Dollars to donuts Art Shell makes a coaching comeback with Oakland.

Cutler is a young Brett Favre, in certain ways. He will continue to put up huge passing numbers, including the negative ones. As he matures, his mistakes will be overshadowed, but I don't expect that TD-INT ratio to change too much. What he is lacking, of course, are deep threat receivers. Big, fast guys, or just big, tough guys like he had in Marshall.

KC took a shit on Cassel, imo. He was successful in NE due to their system, and having a multitude of tools. KC has a similar system, or they are trying to (spread, spread-lite, etc.), but they have very little talent. Johnson has been on the decline, but that young receiver (Bowe?) has a good future ahead of him.

And what does AZ do? Obviously, Warner is one injury or one bad series of games away from being benched, as he has been his entire career. He is just a mystery, as was Vinnie T (expect him to make another comeback, lol). Warner is good, but every season he starts over Leinert doesn't give the Cardinals a good longterm outlook. Have they just written Matt off? If so, trading him for a 2nd or 3rd rounder may help them bolster their future.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » October 15, 2009, 4:02 pm

I could see the Titans signing Garcia midseason, if Fischer is willing to throw in the towel on the season. He may be too stubborn to do this. Carolina is basically fucked, though.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 18, 2009, 8:01 pm

Arizona 27
Seattle 3

Game played in Seattle.

Seattle had the ball for less than one minute in the 1st quarter. They rushed for a grand total of 12 yards against the #1 rush defense in the league.

People here were picking Seattle to win this division? Huh? Wha?

Winnow wrote: The Cardinal defense, while giving up a lot of points, also gets a lot of turnovers. They will destroy Hasslebeck behind that poor O-Line. No way Seattle scores enough to keep up with the Cardinals. The BEST defenses in the league can't stop the Cardinals. You've got to score over 30 to beat Arizona (Pittsburgh scored 27 including fluke 99 yard defensive TD to win the Super Bowl) and Seattle isn't going to do it. I'm not too scared of Julius Jones and ancient Cardinals outcast Edge running behind that horrific O-Line either.

Seattle will finish with one of the worst records in the NFL this year.

Hasslebeck was sacked five times today. 3 of those 12 yards rushing came on a last play of the game garbage run, otherwise they would have held them under 10 yards.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » October 19, 2009, 1:45 pm

Yeah one good game does not a team make. I don't know who thought Seattle would be worth a shit this season, but they were idiots. I still think San Fran will win that division, assuming they do not self imolate after last week's loss. Arizona is just not consistent enough. They played an excellent game against the Seahawks, however.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » October 20, 2009, 12:44 am

KYLE ORTON!

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » October 20, 2009, 1:10 am

Aardor wrote:KYLE ORTON!

i ate crow on this. And I am loving it! I'll add to your proclamation and add:

Eddie Royal!
Elvis Dooooooomerville!!!

This has been a great season to be a Denver fan. I'll also recant my making fun of Ortom's arm, as since his finger is healed and the glove is off, he has been zipping his passes. Yay! Jay who?

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » October 20, 2009, 11:45 am

Canelek wrote:
Aardor wrote:KYLE ORTON!
i ate crow on this. And I am loving it! I'll add to your proclamation and add:

Eddie Royal!
Elvis Dooooooomerville!!!

This has been a great season to be a Denver fan. I'll also recant my making fun of Ortom's arm, as since his finger is healed and the glove is off, he has been zipping his passes. Yay! Jay who?

Knew you'd be loving this you really should work on spelling your boy's name right: Orton with an N not an M

And DAMN but the Evil Empire made the Titans look bad... as if being 0 for the season wasn't bad enough for them...

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » October 20, 2009, 3:05 pm

iPhone typing ftw. Horton!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 26, 2009, 12:40 am

What now bitches!?

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » October 26, 2009, 12:53 am

JAY CUTLER..oh wait (sorry, Kyle Orton had a bye and going through neckbeard withdrawal)

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » October 26, 2009, 1:57 am

God I fucking hate Kurt Warner. I fucking hate him more than anything. I just hate that guy.

Fuck Kurt Warner. Fuck the Cardinals.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » October 26, 2009, 8:16 am

Winnow wrote:What now bitches!?

Congratulations. The Cards have a win they can brag about, beating a contender at home. I picked them to win their sad excuse of a division and thats about it. Nothing's changed, except their division isn't looking quite as pathetic as last year. They're nothing special and will exit the playoffs early on.

You want me to eat crow, ask me where I thought the Saints or the Broncorpses were gonna end up...

p.s. go Jay Cutler

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » October 26, 2009, 11:27 am

Three straight wins on the road this season, two against non division east coast tems.

#1 rushing team meets #1 rushing defense team = Cardinals Win.

My only concern is the secondary got banged up a bit in the game. DRC, Adrian Wilson and Rolle all a little hobbled. Their schedule eases up now.

Oh...Houston beat the 49'ers. Cardinals beat Houston. 49 win at the beginning of the season must have been a fluke!

Arizona is 4-2 with a light November schedule. Things are looking god so far.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » October 26, 2009, 11:52 am

I liked the Cards aggressiveness on defense. Early on, I figured they were going to give the game away due to all the offsides. Since they were ultimately able to harass Manning, it paid off. The Giants had their share of penalties also...namely the delay of game penalties.

Good win for AZ.

I also liked what I saw from Beanie Wells, Fitzgerald and Boldin.

And yes, I am still pulling for Cutler. I liked him as a Bronco, of course, even though he still makes stupid mistakes. But hey, he can put on a show.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » November 1, 2009, 8:14 pm

Winnow wrote:What now bitches!?

You tell us

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 2, 2009, 2:13 am

A win over Arizona will be the highlight of Carolina's season. I was disappointed to see the Cardinals come out so flat but I expected it after the big New York win combined with Carolina looking for revenge for the playoff loss to AZ last year. I'll take the playoff win over a regular season win. AZ will win their division no matter what with SF faltering and Seattle sucking hard core. Six turnovers from Warner is not normal.

It's strange that AZ has flipped from being dominant at home to being dominant on the road. Bodes well for the playoffs if they can pull out their first win at home for winning the division.

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » November 2, 2009, 3:37 am

Oh happy day! Oh happy day!!

It was over when ...
Arizona's Kurt Warner committed his fifth turnover with 7:02 remaining after DE Julius Peppers sacked the quarterback and forced a fumble. From there, Carolina drained precious time off the clock and went up 34-21 on a John Casey field goal with 2:45 left.
Game ball
The Panthers' two-headed ground attack of RBs DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart were at it again, this time against the league's best run defense. Williams finished with 23 carries for 158 yards, and Stewart added 83 yards and two touchdowns.
Key Stat
The Cardinals had six turnovers, all committed by Warner. He tied a career-high with five interceptions and also lost a fumble.

Also, the Bucs didn't lose this week!

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » November 2, 2009, 3:38 am

Oh, and Favre won in GB.

Kurt Warner Highlight Video!!

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 2, 2009, 3:28 pm

Looks like a team finally figured out the Broncos offense. Need more downfield passing or things will get ugly quick! The Ravens D is just plain scary. Apparently, they decided to take a 3 game vacation, then come back hard. Denver's D still looks pretty good, but there were some missed assignments and gaps.

We'll see if Denver can recover, or there will be trouble on Monday night. Pitt is looking pretty sick.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » November 4, 2009, 2:06 pm

Orton = Jim McMahon
When you have a close game, or the lead, there is no better QB in the league right now to secure the ball and protect the lead. But Orton is not someone who can score in a hurry and the Ravens exposed that. The major difference in that game was the Ravens offense actually showed up in the first half and as a result their defense got to pin their ears back all game long. I don't think the Denver Ravens game was any more unique beyond that.

About the Cardinals, well its the same inconsistancy issues that plagued them most of last season, probably brought on by the reasons Winnow stated. Of course the way the Giants got destroyed this week might suggest that they are not the elite team a lot of people (myself included) assumed, so its back to a guessing game with AZ.

Packers/Vikes? Well Rogers had another great stat day, but held the ball to long on a number of plays, which is recurring theme with him. He is a great QB to take for Fantasy Football, but not anywhere else. Vikes have been a little lucky this season, but they also have been screwed by the refs about as much, so 7-1 is about right. They need to shore up the late game defense issues, though, or they can forget about making a SB run. Packers, on the other hand, have won ten games since the messy breakup. Of those wins, three have come against Detroit, 5 more against teams with 2 or less wins in the same timespan, two against the bears, and one against last years vikings. That leaves one game against an opponent with a winning record. Five years in as GM and this is Thompson's idea of improving the team? Say what you want about Sherman, but his team had a winning record.

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » November 5, 2009, 10:28 am

The Carolina game shows exactly why its hard to take the Cardinals seriously as a contender. Yes, if they get their act together, they have a stellar offense and defense that can show flashes of greatness, but they don't seem to be able to consistently do it, which is what truly defines elite level teams in any sport. I also agree that the losing skid the Giants are on devalues that win for them a bit.

Speaking of turnovers, how about Drew Brees and the Saints? They gave up the ball 4 times yet still had enough in them to power past the Falcons. I think its funny how people are starting to raise the possibility of the Saints going 16-0 but right now their O looks nasty...

Kyle Orton, I'll give Kilmoll his due in the way he characterized him as someone who knows how to win. He won't do it all the time or with big flashy numbers but he's a game manager.

Favre's return (and I still don't get how people pronounce the fucker's name: the R is AFTER the fucking V) was interesting but predictable to me. The Vikes are rolling, and Aaron Rogers is still learning in some respects. The knock about holding onto the ball too long is something that is something that can only be fully cured by game experience, not practices. The only major difference between Rogers and a Brady Quinn or Jamarcus Russell is that he's had more time to study his play book and watch his guys in action. I think Green Bay needs to be more concerned with their O-line than their QB.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 5, 2009, 11:50 am

Wulfran wrote:
Speaking of turnovers, how about Drew Brees and the Saints? They gave up the ball 4 times yet still had enough in them to power past the Falcons.

4 turnovers != 6 turnovers

If The Cardinals only had 4, they probably would have won that game. Six is crazytalk for winning a game. There were some tipped intercecptions but Warner flat out threw the ball into the hands of Julious Peppers for an easy TD. The only comment I'll make is that Warner definitely has days where he looks like he's out of it. Must me religious ceremonies he's missing on those days or his wife verbally abused him too much the night before.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 9, 2009, 12:54 pm

What now bitches! 5-3

Warner goes from 5 picks to 5 TDs the next week. That's more like it! AZ continues the odd road dominance (4-0) and struggling at home.

Nice to see the team functioning well without Boldin (5-1 when Boldin doesn't play) since he's all but gone next year.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 9, 2009, 3:52 pm

What an awesome pic:

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » November 9, 2009, 9:14 pm

hahahahaha

Kluden · Post by **Kluden** » November 10, 2009, 3:23 pm

Wow, are the broncos now considered suspect and counterfeit? That's two weeks in a row against good defenses where they failed.

Granted last night, the broncos had terrible special teams play, i'll give them that excuse, but not their offense or defense. Their offense cannot run the ball..at all. Their defense cannot stop the run, at all.

If they don't find a way to defend the pass AND not allow a runningback to average 7+yards a carry...they're cooked. But then again, that division is woeful at best...so I'm sure they'll squeek into the playoffs...

I would say that the broncos are still a very good team, i would just say they need to find a sense of urgency, and some down field looks (with those receivers...who wouldn't?). I would say their season defining games will be what they do against a (more than likely) frantic/panicked Giants team in 3 weeks (thanksgiving game)...and then two weeks later, the colts.

Ashur · Post by **Ashur** » November 13, 2009, 2:50 pm

This just in! I'm a Bengals fan, so I don't discuss Pro Football due to mental anguish. kthxbye!

miir · Post by **miir** » November 13, 2009, 3:05 pm

Ashur wrote:This just in! I'm a Bengals fan, so I don't discuss Pro Football due to mental anguish. kthxbye!

I'm an Ocho Cinco fan!

Spang · Post by **Spang** » November 16, 2009, 1:45 am

Bill Belichick is a twat waffle. What a great game!

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » November 16, 2009, 3:39 am

That Colts/Patriots game was epic! What a great game. I'm so happy.

miir · Post by **miir** » November 23, 2009, 12:56 pm

What stupid fuckhead,non sport playing, armchair, madden playing, fantasy footbal faggots do not understand about actual sports is that some players are winners and some are losers. Orton is a winner. He makes the other players believe in themselves and they play harder because of the winners in the huddle. Stats are for losers and fantasy fags. Give me a QB that "manages the game" and manages to win 10-12 games a year and goes to playoffs and Super Bowls over any of these pass crazy bullshit QB's that cannot win.

LOL @ Broncos
Orton sure does suck.
Last 4 games: 2 TD, 4 INT
The Brncs have put up less 10 points per game in that span.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » November 24, 2009, 9:49 pm

Jay Cutler has 18 interceptions.

I was entertained to read this:

Peter King wrote:Does Seattle have anything to be optimistic about? I mean, other than the 2010 draft? Man, I never saw their horrendous season coming

Really? Didn't see any hints of it?

What a dumb call. I know plenty of people-- Winnow and Aardor for instance-- who said before the season "why the fuck does anyone think that Seattle will be good?"

I could see disagreeing, but to be totally unaware that they might have serious issues?

Trek · Post by **Trek** » November 29, 2009, 9:11 pm

lol poor Winnow

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 30, 2009, 4:39 am

Well shit man, Phil Simms' albino spleenless lefticapped kid makes Gus Frerotte look like Joe Montana. I like how Orton has taken a leadership role. He may not be a fantasy-retard hero, but he has some balls and the team seems to dig him. From a much maligned fan, such as myself, I am actually stoked how well Orton has played. I really think it is time to switch Simms and Brandstater though! I like a rook, albeit a physically talented rook, as the backup.

5 games left....

KC, KC and OAK should be wins--no excuses or the season may be over.

PHI and IND will be tough. SD sure has the advantage now--and a 1 game lead in the division. And, if SD continues to surge, at least there is a wild card up for grabs since so many teams in the AFC are just as inconsistant as Denver.

Question--aside from aforementioned fantasy football peeps; does anyone (outside of said fantasy folks and the beachball-bouncing asshats in San Diego (aka N. MX)) actually like Phillip Rivers? I respect the competitiveness and all, but I have a hard time (aside from being a Denver fan) wishing this guy well. Seems the mouthy frat-boy type, so maybe that is what annoys me. Dude has skills, no doubt! However, the flappy-talky-hole thing is rather annoying.... usually it is the retarded wideouts who gum it up....

miir · Post by **miir** » November 30, 2009, 10:29 am

I'm a huge SD fan and even I think Rivers is a douche-bag.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » November 30, 2009, 2:54 pm

You may be alone, Miir (at least among Bolts fans)! Thing is, they have a ton of talent and players who are fun to watch. If I was not a fan of another AFC West team, obviously my opinion would be more valid (never trust objectivity in regards to home team!). So, I have very little objectivity in this regard--it is rather obvious in my disdain of San Diego fans.

Interesting to hear a fan think Rivers is a d-bag. I like to see professional athletes as highly-paid day-laborers I guess. No press conference for you!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » November 30, 2009, 3:18 pm

The Arizona Tennessee game was fun to watch even though Arizona lost. Too bad most of the nation was stuck watching a blowout instead of a game decided with zero seconds left on the clock!

Spang · Post by **Spang** » December 1, 2009, 1:32 am

Spang wrote:Bill Belichick is a twat waffle. What a great game!

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » December 1, 2009, 9:40 am

Damn the Pats defense looked porous. I know they're not the only ones the Saints have made look bad but after all the hype about the Evil Empire being back if Darth Brady stayed healthy, its a surprise to me. Emotionally, if not intellectually, NE is a contender (Bellicheat always seems to find great replacements for retirements/contract squabbles/injuries) and I want to see them stamped out. By the same token, its hard to believe (emotionally again) the Saints are a premier team in the NFC but its fun to watch them.

Orton, well, I don't know what to think of the guy at this point. He's shown leadership and the ability to win a few games but I think he's still a work in progress. Honestly though, I don't think Denver would be better off with Cutler (another stellar outing for him vs the Vikings... not!) so at this point I'm thinking Canno and the Broncorpse fans have to be happy with the way things have worked out thus far. It all depends on what they can do with their picks in the draft.

Arizona losing to the Titans. Vince Young > Matt Leinart again

I know the Titans are resurgent since the QB change back to Young but its hard to believe in the Cards when you see the inconsistency. Warner being hurt does make a difference, and at his age I wonder how much he'll be able to bounce back... concussions can be nasty.

Speaking of concussions, I wonder how many Roethlisburger can take before he's done. Its at least one a season since he crashed his bike a couple years ago and they're cummulative. You almost wonder if he's one bad hit away from the end. I was surprised at times by the way Dennis Dixon played for the Steelers (he looked good when the Ravens brought the heat, he just sucked at reading softer defences) and felt kinda bad that he threw a pick on OT to decide the game, but contrary to what Ray Lewis said the Ravens shouldn't be too happy about that win. I still think Troy Polamalu is in for a HUGE raise on his next extenstion/contract: they are a totally different team without him.

Phillip Rivers is a douche? Go figure. It wasn't like he ever showed it, jawing off at fans, etc...

I'm with Canno in that I respect his talent/ability but if my kid ever acted the way he does, he'd get a smack upside the head.