The fucking state of this place

[Winnow]

While we're on the topic of your posting style, it's probably the most irritating style on this whole board. I take that back, it's the most irritating coherent style on this whole board; Cartalas and Xzion still have you beat in the irritation department. You seem like a pretty intelligent guy but fuck if you aren't the most condescending, tightass poster I've ever seen, or at least you come off that way.

Arch's posts, while well constructed and usually having a point, make me feel like I'm reading that textbook back in college that I never cracked open. On the other hand, Sylvus is the master of flaming while keeping the post on topic and without using !'s and CAPS heavily. This makes for an informative yet smooth flowing read while keeping the post personal as opposed to distancing himself from the target audience.

-flame critic at large

[Lohrno]

On the other hand, Sylvus is the master of flaming while keeping the post on topic and without using !'s and CAPS heavily. This makes for an informative yet smooth flowing read while keeping the post personal as opposed to distancing himself from the target audience.

You feel that flaming brings you closer to the person you are talking with?

-=Lohrno

[*~*stragi*~*]

i mfind thaq ttypingt with m y nuibsw wor4mjkmz out we4lkl LOOLO! ;0

[Winnow]

On the other hand, Sylvus is the master of flaming while keeping the post on topic and without using !'s and CAPS heavily. This makes for an informative yet smooth flowing read while keeping the post personal as opposed to distancing himself from the target audience.

You feel that flaming brings you closer to the person you are talking with?

-=Lohrno

target audience

Who are the readers of the newspaper? The editors and journalists must gear themselves towards writing what will interest this population, in order for the newspaper to be successful.

the intended audience for a particular product/ type of media

[Lohrno]

target audience

Are you suggesting that the target audience here is not capable of rational discussion, and that they'd much rather see flames?

-=Lohrno

[Winnow]

target audience

Are you suggesting that the target audience here is not capable of rational discussion, and that they'd much rather see flames?

-=Lohrno

Are you going to continue with these stupid questions and also put words into my mouth? Because I state that the target audience likes flames and spiced up responses to make their day at work a little less boring doesn't mean that they aren't capable of rational discussion without it.

[Lohrno]

Are you going to continue with these stupid questions and also put words into my mouth? Because I state that the target audience likes flames and spiced up responses to make their day at work a little less boring doesn't mean that they aren't capable of rational discussion without it.

Fair enough. Probably I did word the question badly. I was just trying to get you to come out and say what you really meant. You did, so I'll leave it at that. For better or worse you clarified what you meant. So now there is no room for mistakes.

-=Lohrno

[Rekaar.]

This place degenerates because there is no rule of law here. No one to moderate the forum and keep it relevant or on track. I've always thought if any forum should be moderated for quality control it should be this one.

Luckily we usually just ignore the illiterate hatemongers. Or at least I do.

[Zaelath]

This place degenerates because there is no rule of law here. No one to moderate the forum and keep it relevant or on track. I've always thought if any forum should be moderated for quality control it should be this one.

Luckily we usually just ignore the illiterate hatemongers. Or at least I do.

If we did moderate for "quality control" then most of your posts would need to be moderated out for expressing opinion as fact. I have no problem with people expressing their opinion, I would like to know sometimes what lead you to think that way, but you should clearly seperate the one from the other.

I don't know who you think the illiterate hatemongers are, there's few here who are illiterate and the ones that seem to advocate genocidal retribution every five minutes are on your side.

[Kylere]

I want to have rich parents so I can be a far left liberal, or really poor parents so I can be a far right conservative!!

Damn it, I was just at the federally determined poverty line growing up so I joined the Army to build resume, got out and gota job using my skills. So I hate both fringe groups, because the one thing they both seem to think is that they know better than I how to spend my money. Both of them are wrong.

Are you then in favor of private SS accounts?

Only if we prepare for them by cutting the government to no more spending than they actually make (not the Clinton dream surpluses or the New less functional Bush trickle downism) minus 10% to fund the SS system the dems and Reps have abusing like a Kennedy rapes a drunk school girl.

[Moonwynd]

Dare I say that you are the proverbial pot calling the kettle black. You start topics like the two I reference below and have the audacity to start this current thread? /boggle

I know Spang already referenced one of these threads.

http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... highlight=

http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... highlight=

I look at the majority of your posts. You spew nothing but vehement hatred of the citizens of the United States. You are not looking for civil discourse or even heated debate. You are a bomb thrower that has found an outlet for your opinions. You want people to stop the degradation of the Current Events forum when you yourself are a contributing factor to said degradation.

http://www.veeshanvault.org/forums/view ... highlight=


Respectfully,

Moonwynd

[Nick]

Oh nos I insulted your precious President. Dry your eyes.

[Moonwynd]

You really don't get it, do you. I could care less about you insulting the president. If you read the links to the threads you started and posted in you will see the point...well...obviously you didn't.

You talk about the decline of the Current Events forum and place the blame squarely on those that you do not agree with at all. Look at your own posts. Look at just the one's I linked. You do not offer up intelligent discussion or passionate debate. Instead, you give your opinion (which we are all entitled to do) chock full of hatred and laced with flames galore.

I just re-read your "To the undecided or moronic (Plus election poll omg!)" (the second post I linked) post. Yet you have the temerity to start a thread calling to task others? Also note that the people you gave as examples are all people that you take umbrage with whenver they post.

This is an internet forum. More relevant is the fact that this is Veeshan Vault...a flame board. This forum, and virtually all online forums, are laden with people exercising their virtual egos. The internet affords people the anonymity to act like complete asses; saying/writing things they would normally not say were they face to face with the people/person they were verbally bashing. You can say that you would say the same things that you say online if you were face to face with another...but that would be untrue for the most part. We are all guilty of the above at one time or another.

Why should this Current Events forum be any different than any other unmoderated (mostly) online forum? I wish there were less flames and more honest discussion and disagreement. Learning more about opposing points of view can only help someone grow. And the decline of this forum is a perception issue. You perceive a decline and do not see yourself as a contributing factor. I would hazard a guess and say that people on the other side of the fence see the same thing and never realize that they are guilty of the same offenses...myself included.

Respectfully,

Moonwynd

[Badabidi]

Teenybloke's as much of a degenerate as some of the people he's listed in the OP.

Oh nos I insulted your precious President. Dry your eyes.

He seems to excuse himself by comments like this, guess it makes him immune since he's not from the US, or I guess he must have some sort of secret seniority priviledges

[Nick]

No it would be the not siding with the murderous regressors. Sorry if many innocent Americans feel I direct hatred their way, but frankly if you are worthy of it, then I could not give a shit about what you say or think.

Maybe that is where the problem lies, you.


Of course, that would be out of the question. I accept my frailties as a human and accept I may have caused offence throughout the last few months, but again, not once has it been unfounded or lacking intelligent weight. Simply because someone cannot see that is more an indicment of their lack of knowledge.

Don't agree by all means, but please at least accept that morally anyone who disagrees with my "fuck anyone who murders/rapes/oppresses freedom/lies and or insert immoral act carried out by the recent American administration" is frankly an unscrupulous fucker.

Should I then respect their opinion?

Big brothers claws have cut deep it seems.

P.s - I would say everything here irl to anyones face. Happily. I am not afraid to voice those opinions, much as may choose to disbelieve.

[Fash]

Of course, that would be out of the question. I accept my frailties as a human and accept I may have caused offence throughout the last few months, but again, not once has it been unfounded or lacking intelligent weight. Simply because someone cannot see that is more an indicment of their lack of knowledge.

Don't agree by all means, but please at least accept that morally anyone who disagrees with my "fuck anyone who murders/rapes/oppresses freedom/lies and or insert immoral act carried out by the recent American administration" is frankly an unscrupulous fucker.

Should I then respect their opinion?

How about respecting the fact that your perception of the administration and your perception of the consequences of their actions, could very likely be totally fucking wrong?

[Lohrno]

If you make that claim Fash, you had best back it up now.

-=Lohrno

[Fash]

If you make that claim Fash, you had best back it up now.

-=Lohrno

But what if you lived in bumblefuck??!!!

'could very likely be' is not a claim that requires backing.

[Nick]

No I would not accept that, given that their is conclusive evidence to support the fact that Bush and therefore the UNITED STATES has eroded rights (in it's own country, which sorta goes against your whole freedom thing), invaded countries, murdered, destroyed developed countries relations between each other with unilateralist appraoches.
Not to mention manipulated the Arab world (much like any power before it has in truth) which is the reason it is in this mess.

These are all facts of life, easily document all over the internet, books, reality. What you read in your local pro america tabloid is not fact my friend, it is SPIN! Ever heard of that?

I know it is convenient to just assume none of this is the case when it doesn't affect you and it therefore would be easier still to assume I am just a troll. As opposed to someone annoyed with the REALITY of the situation.


What specific thing would you like me to proove? Iraq being invaded based on lies? Are you going to deny that? Are you going to deny that what I have listed has not ACTUALLY happened.

Again, anyone who actually decided to discuss these facts or to defend their truth would do well to provide some evidence (although that wont happen because THERE ISNT ANY!). I would not flame someone who decided to intelligently debate the subject with me.

As long as they did not immediately shove their retarded non factual (NON FACTUAL - this means not true, or simply wrong btw, an important point) views down my throat.

If they do that, it's open game.

After all, its VV. Although of course this concept would be lost on the people this may offend given that admitting you're less up on your own nations activites makes you look ignorant, especially when you try to defend further.

I accept the troll insult I guess, I don't regret it, in fact I am glad to point out the inaccuracies or stupidity of posts that are posted under nothing more than the illusion of intelligence.

Is that necessarily wrong?

[Lohrno]

But what if you lived in bumblefuck??!!!

Nope I live in Carlsbad. It's a nice place really.

'could very likely be' is not a claim that requires backing.

With all the evidence to the contrary in this case I feel it is.

-=Lohrno

[Sionistic]

is this thread still going?

[Fash]

No I would not accept that, given that their is conclusive evidence to support the fact that Bush and therefore the UNITED STATES has eroded rights (in it's own country, which sorta goes against your whole freedom thing), invaded countries, murdered, destroyed developed countries relations between each other with unilateralist appraoches.
Not to mention manipulated the Arab world (much like any power before it has in truth) which is the reason it is in this mess.

Whos rights were eroded in the US??... are you talking about the Patriot Act?.. heh, I support that shit, and you have nothing to fear from the patriot act if you're not a bad mutha.

Invaded countries: Glossing over the 15 years of Iraq/US conflicts, 17 UN resolutions demanding Iraqi action, then sure, this Iraq war was based on what we know now to be lies. It was believed to be sound intelligence, but it wasn't. That doesn't mean it wasn't the best thing for the world. Afghanistan as well, a cesspool of terrorists and radical clerics.

Unilateralist approaches: It doesn't help when the other major countries in the world all had fat oil deals with Saddam keeping them from joining us.

The US protects itself and it's own interests. It also bends over backwards to help other countries in need (See Africa, Bosnia, France), and almost never gets a courtesy reacharound.

[Aslanna]

Whos rights were eroded in the US??... are you talking about the Patriot Act?.. heh, I support that shit, and you have nothing to fear from the patriot act if you're not a bad mutha.

Baaaaa!

Sheep.

[Lohrno]

Whos rights were eroded in the US??... are you talking about the Patriot Act?.. heh, I support that shit, and you have nothing to fear from the patriot act if you're not a bad mutha.

How about the election which is in Question now? I just saw on Slashdot that DIEBOLD is settling with the state of California in a case of them making bad claims about their machines' reliability and security.

What about the FCC cracking down? What about the 'Free speech zones'? Things go beyond just the negative imapcts of the PATRIOT act.

Invaded countries: Glossing over the 15 years of Iraq/US conflicts, 17 UN resolutions demanding Iraqi action, then sure, this Iraq war was based on what we know now to be lies. It was believed to be sound intelligence, but it wasn't. That doesn't mean it wasn't the best thing for the world.

Since we now know that Saddam was not a threat, and that Bush was made aware of this before he invaded, how can this be good for anyone besides defense contractors?

Afghanistan as well, a cesspool of terrorists and radical clerics.

Yes. We did need to go into Afghanistan. In fact we should have committed more troops there and ignored Iraq as I am not seeing any tangible benefits to this.

Unilateralist approaches: It doesn't help when the other major countries in the world all had fat oil deals with Saddam keeping them from joining us.

No, I'm pretty sure it was Bush's "You're either with us or against us." speech and things like that that put many off. We didn't have any credible evidence they had "stockpiles of WMDs." We're still looking for them...Also we acted too quickly when Independent inspectors were doing there job. Had we let them do their job, and had they found anything I'm sure we would have had more allies.

The US protects itself and it's own interests. It also bends over backwards to help other countries in need (See Africa, Bosnia, France), and almost never gets a courtesy reacharound.

However, this seems to be a case of neither.

-=Lohrno

[Tyek]

Ok Teeny,

First off "Oh no I insulted your president" is hardly debating a topic, or a true and frank discussion. It is the same one line crap you accused others of. Since your hypocrital posts have already been linked several times, but you apparently cannot comprehend them, lets talk about the other issues.

I believe you are from the UK. Last I checked they are standing right next to US forces in Iraq. Your leader was voted on by your countrymen and has either agreed to, or actually cited many of the criminal acts and claims of weapons of mass destruction that lead to the invasion. So I guess this means that all of the UK is filled with morons and that if your voting led to Blair being in power then you are a worthless fuck that killed thousands of people with your vote. If you are so keen on changing us then start with your own damn country.

If I remember correctly the UK, or England, really was a world power for a long time. If I also remember correctly they stuck their heads in everyone's business. It is what world powers do. Is it right? no, but get off your fucking high horse. Your country is just as guilty and your history is filled with as much, if not worse, atrocities then the US ever commited.

I am against the war. I am not a Bush fan. We actually agree on those things. However, I think you are pathetic. You stand on your high horse complaining because you know you can never be held accountable. You know what? Fix your problems then you can work on mine. For you to indict a soldier in a war for shooting someone when the enemy is killing citizens, bombing religious buildings and doing everything possible to create havoc is stupid. You have no comprehension of what they are facing.

Should we be there? No, but neither should you.

I know I am stupid because I don't agree with you all the time. I guess this is the first time I am happy to be considered a moron.

[Moonwynd]

P.s - I would say everything here irl to anyones face. Happily. I am not afraid to voice those opinions, much as may choose to disbelieve.

Then not only are you completely way off base in your understanding of why you are contributing to the degredation of this forum...you are also tactless and have no regard for common courtesy if you would talk to a complete stranger in person the way you address people here on the forums. And that type of attitude would wind up getting you into more than just a battle of wits I am afraid.

[Nick]

Sec...

[Nick]

I already have started on my own country. Demonstrations are largely ignored despite my and others efforts, more direct action is needed, letters go unanswered, questions are ignored.

Only this week I was actively involved in a magazine over here that was pulled for questioning such concepts as war and religion (this magazine was later allowed to publish again and a discrete acceptance of liability was passed from the council to us hurrah magazine back )

I try to actively fix these things along, this does not mean I will just ignore someone if they post something stupid or do something stupid. Am I therefore only allowed to this in my own country?

I do actually think there are a massive amount of politically redundant and morally bankrupt people in the UK, just as with everywhere. I also accept the British government past atrocities on countless millions, i did not actively vote for these people, and they are only my country because they invaded it I see the standards of the superpowers "morality" every day.

It angers me.

I also believe anyone who votes for Blair is as much of a retard as someone who votes for Bush (for the foreign policy alone is beyond the joke!).

As for accountability, well....I am right here, I do not feel that this is a situation that is frankly acceptable, and although I know sitting here bitching at people will not fix a goddamn thing I, just like you right when you last posted, will refuse to sit by and just accept something I may happen to feel strongly enough to mention.

Maybe you do not like my style, mheh I suppose maybe you just have not really got to ever know me or what I happen to believe. But that's what we are here for so more

[Cartalas]

Whos rights were eroded in the US??... are you talking about the Patriot Act?.. heh, I support that shit, and you have nothing to fear from the patriot act if you're not a bad mutha.

Baaaaa!

Sheep.

Getting Laid again?

[Cartalas]

Dungbean says behind the safety of his PC "P.s - I would say everything here irl to anyones face. Happily. I am not afraid to voice those opinions, much as may choose to disbelieve.
"


Man I bet you get your ass beat a lot.

[Nick]

Would doubt that after being boxing champion of the country in my earlier years.

By the way, an example of an intelligent comment here is to call Cartalas a retard.

No?

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Would doubt that after being boxing champion of the country in my earlier years.

By the way, an example of an intelligent comment here is to call Cartalas a retard.

No?

No shit? Post pics and stuff. I'm a big boxing fan.

[Cartalas]

Would doubt that after being boxing champion of the country in my earlier years.

By the way, an example of an intelligent comment here is to call Cartalas a retard.

No?

No shit? Post pics and stuff. I'm a big boxing fan.

No need to I found him he is the one on the left

http://www.sportspickle.com/features/vo ... midget.jpg

[Atokal]

Would doubt that after being boxing champion of the country in my earlier years.

By the way, an example of an intelligent comment here is to call Cartalas a retard.

No?

No shit? Post pics and stuff. I'm a big boxing fan.

No need to I found him he is the one on the left

http://www.sportspickle.com/features/vo ... midget.jpg

ROFL...

And in this corner weighing in at 85lbs, sporting the mullet, the mighty midget, the dublin polesmoker, the leprachaun from hell, Teenybloke.

Teenybloke grabs the mike from the announcer:

"That is the Dublin Pogmahon, and fuck u all this used to be a place where we all agreed. I would like to see my opponent banned from the ring because he wants to hit me hard, further I want the announcer banned cause he called me names"

[Marbus]

I was reading this topic and I saw Aslanna's last post which mentioned sheep and it made me think. Yesterday I was trying to finish up some quests around Hillsbrad killing dorfs. Luckly I found a couple of mages that also needed to do the quests so we joined up. Those dorfs sure do have a lot of hit points. A couple of times we would get 2 or 3 at once so one of the mages, the level 30 something, would turn them into sheep. But for some reason they didn't stay as sheep very long so he kept having to recast it over and over again. Finally it started sticking so we were able to do the quests, turning dorfs into sheep is fun. But sheep really are pretty cool animals. We just got my oldest son a new coat and it has a wool collar which is really warm, I think he will like it a lot. Back when I was in college I knew this guy that had a blow-up sheep called "I love Ewe", he was a pretty sick guy.

The end.

[Fash]

I was reading this topic and I saw Aslanna's last post which mentioned sheep and it made me think. Yesterday I was trying to finish up some quests around Hillsbrad killing dorfs. Luckly I found a couple of mages that also needed to do the quests so we joined up. Those dorfs sure do have a lot of hit points. A couple of times we would get 2 or 3 at once so one of the mages, the level 30 something, would turn them into sheep. But for some reason they didn't stay as sheep very long so he kept having to recast it over and over again. Finally it started sticking so we were able to do the quests, turning dorfs into sheep is fun. But sheep really are pretty cool animals. We just got my oldest son a new coat and it has a wool collar which is really warm, I think he will like it a lot. Back when I was in college I knew this guy that had a blow-up sheep called "I love Ewe", he was a pretty sick guy.

The end.

did you lose a baseball?... or find one?

[VariaVespasa]

Actually now that you mention sheep, I was sorta disappointed that my dorf hunter couldnt tame one as his pet. Or the squirrels. Woulda been a lotta work but having the first lvl 60 squirrel pet woulda been fun!
*Hugs*
Varia

[Nick]

Bearing in mind I have little contact with my father who would be the one with the "proof" I will endeavour to get what I can.

Furthermore you could make a direct appeal to the Amateur Boxing board of Northern Ireland and Ulster if you feel the need to check, no big deal to me

You could alternatively ask Cotto, an old friend of mine since I was a youngster. He posts here sometimes (mainly on the WoW forum)

And.....by calling me a leprechaun that is being intrinsically racist, but apparantly I am a bad person for calling these sorts of fucking losers to account?

Double fucking standards.

I the way they attack in packs, grats balls !

[Lohrno]

And.....by calling me a leprechaun that is being intrinsically racist, but apparantly I am a bad person for calling these sorts of fucking losers to account?

I'm sorry but I'm not sure I see how you can be offended by that. It's like he's trying to be racist but the retardation just prevents him from doing it effectively.

-=Lohrno

[Aruman]

And.....by calling me a leprechaun that is being intrinsically racist, but apparantly I am a bad person for calling these sorts of fucking losers to account?

Double fucking standards.

I the way they attack in packs, grats balls !

I'd say you were being overly sensitive of something that is obviously meant to be a joke.

Are you a card carrying member of the Political Correctness Nazi's Teeny?

[Marbus]

It was suppose to be a derail post in the style of a previously massive poster

Marb

[Cotto]

I the way they attack in packs, grats balls !

Well clearly you're brave in numbers...

[Rekaar.]

Marb had the best post in this thread, he wins. Better luck next round to the rest of you!

[Nick]

Ok Aruman given your complete inability to understand the most basic of concepts. I could turn around and call all people from Africa "foodless niggers". It would hardly be fucking acceptable now would it. Or for that matter, particularly funny.

But I am sure you will spout some spiel about how your narrow minded acceptance of hatred is teh best wayTM!

[*~*stragi*~*]

shatup u redheded leprrochaun lol.cx pifd

[Atokal]

Ok Aruman given your complete inability to understand the most basic of concepts. I could turn around and call all people from Africa "foodless niggers". It would hardly be fucking acceptable now would it. Or for that matter, particularly funny.

But I am sure you will spout some spiel about how your narrow minded acceptance of hatred is teh best wayTM!

Leprauchans are fictional entities, and unless I missed something it is not even in the same neighbourhood as calling someone a nigger, spick, kike, etc. further it made perfect sense to use that in relation to the boxing shot that was posted. Grow some thicker skin.

BTW I have to laugh at your comment about attacking you in groups. You and your kind have been doing that since the beginning of these boards.

Your biggest problem here is that you started a thread to ban people whose opinion you do not agree with. Some post with more style and flair than others but what it really boils down to is your little hurt feelings.

At the same time I suppose you are missing the support of Kyoukan et al.\

What did you expect with this little diatribe. Mass bannings? HA.

Cheers

[Lynks]

I must of missed it in this thread, but where does he say he wants to ban people?

[Chidoro]

discuss

[Aruman]

But I am sure you will spout some spiel about how your narrow minded acceptance of hatred is teh best wayTM!

What do you base this on? I'd like to see you find one statement I made that shows I have a 'narrow minded acceptance of hatred'.

The other people are correct: You are a hypocrite.

I believe your problem is you yourself are a hater and you don't want to see this in yourself.

You like to think you take the high road, but you seem to get lost somewhere and end up trudging down a narrow, dark path in those smelly bogs and swamps, where you seem to feel quite at home.

[Lohrno]

Atokal - Admit it, your leprechaun statement was a 3rd grade attempt at Racism. (You can't even be racist right!!!) If you want to make a decent attempt at racism (and I know you do), try this joke:

Where do Irish people go on vacation? To a different bar!

Teeny - Please recognize this for what it is, Atokal just being himself again. PS: sorry about the bar joke. To be honest I personally haven't met one single drunken Irish person. All the ones I've known have been very decent people. I hope you read this too Atokal, because you should realize that if you're trying to make racist statements and they're not at least somewhat based in fact, YOU ARE IN FACT A BIGOT!

Aruman - I think Teeny is actually talking to Atokal who has been making such statements. Atokal says things all the time like "Well, mr. Tolerance, if you're so tolerant why are you intolerant of my racism?" I am glad you want to distance yourself from this.

-=Lohrno