Bubba Grizz wrote:I really don't like the twist last night took. I am not sure if the writers actually have a plan or make shit up each week. Every week that they have a flashback or a repeat is because the writers didn't get their shipment of "medicinal pot" to finish their story on time. What are they going to do when Kate starts showing (she's prego irl now by the hobbit). Who's gonna be the daddy for that?
Huh? Every episode has a flashback... it's the formula for the entire show! If you have that much contempt for the writers, why are you watching?
As for the episode, yeah, that ending was something. Sylvus is right, she's already served her time, she's out. I wouldn't be broken up if she actually was killed last night; she's served her purpose and her story has been told. Libby on the other hand... I'd be disappointed if she was dead. There was still the storyline of her in the hospital with Hurley that was nowhere near resolved, it'd be a damned shame for it to stay unresolved. Of course it's would put an end to awkward moments between her and Hurley that have like no chemistry IMO.
I meant as in the, "Let's recap the entire show this week for those who missed the other recap shows". I know that they do flashbacks within the show. I just hate the whole montage bullshit.
Yeah, Bubba, it's a new trend in TV. This way, they can say they have a new episode, when in reality it's a cost effective way for them to not spend money on that elusive 22nd episode. Most TV productions, if I recall correctly, have like 20-22 shows to them. These new recap shows take up one of those, and are extremely cost effective because you only needa moderator and old clips.
Kaldaur wrote:Yeah, Bubba, it's a new trend in TV. This way, they can say they have a new episode, when in reality it's a cost effective way for them to not spend money on that elusive 22nd episode. Most TV productions, if I recall correctly, have like 20-22 shows to them. These new recap shows take up one of those, and are extremely cost effective because you only needa moderator and old clips.
Ok, i get what he means now, but in this case you're wrong Kaldaur. Lost is 24 episodes (both seasons) and the summary episodes don't count towards that total.
I have to say I was getting very frustrated with the last episode and a few of the ones before it. Michael's character I just hate seeing now. While I can understand wanting to get his son back, it's more like he is just trying to make up for 'failing' him in the past and is taking far more extreme measures than someone realistically would.
I also find it hard to believe that Jack and co. would so easily take Michaels word about what happened. Not only is this the guy that stole a gun and knocked out Locke a couple weeks before but the way in which Anna and Libby died just did not look like Henry did it. If Anna had the gun and was going to kill Henry than how did she die just sitting peacefully on a couch?
If Sayid hadn't seen through Michaels bs about how only five people could go because more would make too much noise (But Hurley the huge lumbering guy is ok?) it would have been far too unrealistic for me.
I'd heard people speculate they were at the south/north pole because of the polar bear, the fact that Desmond sailed in one direction for 2 weeks and ended up back at the same island lends credence to that theory, imo.
Is Locke dead? I would dislike it if he were, but I can't imagine that he made it out of there, if it blew the hatch all the way to the beach. He was always about his faith, questions it with a test in this episode, and dies right after? I'm not sure how that sits with me
WTF with the hatch explosion, or whatever. What was the sky all about? Why did the Others seem so nonchalant about the sky turning white or violet or whatever?
What's up with Penelope being contacted by the snow station about the electromagnetic disturbance?? I'm guessing her dad had something to do with putting Desmond on the island, and she knows something about the island and its function, but not its location.
I hate that we have to wait 6 months or whatever...
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quote: Is Locke dead? I would dislike it if he were, but I can't imagine that he made it out of there, if it blew the hatch all the way to the beach. He was always about his faith, questions it with a test in this episode, and dies right after? I'm not sure how that sits with me
i think they are all still alive. The failsafe released all of the electromagnetic energy in the magnet, which sent the metal door flying. Its anyone's guess as to what the failsafe actually does by "making it all go way". Might have been a way to erase all the data in that room in case the researchers were compromised.
quote: I'd heard people speculate they were at the south/north pole because of the polar bear, the fact that Desmond sailed in one direction for 2 weeks and ended up back at the same island lends credence to that theory, imo.
that makes a lot of sense. the polar bear is a genetic experiment though, there are notes about it on the blast door map.. but still. Penelope also had researchers in an obviously desolate icy place. Why else unless they were somewhat close to the disturbances?
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Snap that shit was good. I can't wait for the season to come out on DVD to watch it all again (and again). Some thoughts.
Locke/Echo aren't dead. I think cad's assumption about it releasing the electromagnetic energy is fairly spot on. I was a bit perplexed at how Charlie didn't tell anyone at all what happened, or for them to go check the hatch out to see if Locke/Echo were alive.
I think we've seen the last of Michael and Walt, thank god. Michael started out as a good character but all he's been for the last season is "THEY TOOK MY BOY! WHERES MY BOY! I GOTTA GET MY BOY!" Good riddance.
I hope Desmond survived. I enjoy his character a lot. His flashbacks were interesting, and throwing Libby into the mix was something I wasn't expecting at all. Now to figure out how her time in the mental hospital fits in. I'm guessing it happened after giving Desmond the boat, so perhaps the death of her husband finally sent her off the deep end for a time. And, surprisingly enough, from that flashback her claims of being a psychologist/psychiatrist seem more credible.
Still no idea why they selected the 4 people for Michael to bring to the Others camp, and why they just let Hurley go back with a message. Was great to see that Henry Gale was a leader figure among them, tho I'm assuming not the ultimate leader. Although, Rousseau's daughter looked sorta scared/full of dread when he came up in the boat.
What else, what else... the guy from the Army that turned Sayid being the guy in the hatch was great. I knew it'd be someone significant, but hadn't guessed him at all. The pneumatic tubes all being in a big pile was hilarious, showed us how the Pearl was actually the experiment so we knew ahead of time that pushing the button was necessary.
As to where the island is, I didn't think there was any real question that it was in the South Pacific with only Antarctica to the south of them.. Arzt even deduced that much at the end of the first season. I'm guessing the electromagnetic field of the island totally screws with compasses (as shown in season 1 when Locke gives Sayid his compass and he learns that it doesn't show north properly at all) so it's not too much of a stretch that Desmond would sail in a circle with "north" being such a close point of reference. His being drunk out of his gourd helped facilitate it as well. The scientists at the end of the episode reading the electromagnetic anomally and calling Penny, I guess she's been searching for Desmond, but how she knew to look for it is lost to me. Of note tho is that her last name, which is escaping me atm, is also the name of some corporation in the Lost universe that you see on buildings and such through the series. The question now is, with the release of electromagnetic energy, will the island still have some crazy affect on compasses? Will people be able to locate it now?
And finally, since I've rambled way too fucking much now, explaining how Desmond "crashed" the plane was absolutely great.
I agree with the theory that the key only releases a massive buildup of the EM field, although that wouldn't mean that it couldn't build back up again over time.
I'm very hopeful that Michael is gone as well. I never really liked his character from the start and his obsession with getting his son back was getting really tired.
I do find it interesting that Henry Gale must have really pressed the button when Locke was trapped under the door. Although when it counted all the way down the black/ultraviolet? lights came on rather than the shaking and EM buildup in the finale.
Ahh! i think it was Whitmore or something actually. As for the black light and the lockdown, that all happened in conjunction with the supply drop I think. The countdown was just coincidence.
And man. How the fuck could I forget to mention the foot! http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/ ... uefoot.jpg People already speculating on what that's all about. There's some people saying it's gonna be a Lemuria thing. I have no clue wtf is going on with it tho.
Basically it's an Atlantis-like continent in the South Pacific area that has been debunked but could still be used in a science fiction show very easily. Honestly tho, the foot could just as easily be planted there by Dharma.
So has anyone else been watching the new season so far?
It's been off to a fairly slow start in my opinion and I'm really hoping they are going to start giving more answers soon instead of introducing more and more questions and possibly more characters after the last episode.
I am very unhappy with their choice of who to kill off. I felt Ecko was one of the more interesting characters and certainly one of the ones with the biggest potential for growth/change during the show. The tendency to kill off characters right after spending lots of airtime on flashbacks is a frustrating way to draw out the length of the show as well.
For the Jack/Ben angle going on right now I think it's just going to be yet another double cross on the part of the Others. I have a feeling Ben is orchestrating the whole thing knowing Jack wouldn't operate on him otherwise and either believes he won't really go through with killing him or thinks that Juliette can convince him to perform the surgery fully in order to avoid raising suspicions and than prevent him from doing anything that would cause Ben to die after it's done.
Also very interested to see how the smoke monster turns out considering the writers have denied any supernatural forces etc in the show. It does seem to make some very mechanical sounds whenever it has showed up.
While I'm all for a new hot chick, and I actively encouraged it after Ana Lucia got killed, I'm not sure about how they introduced the new "couple". One minute all the extras are all in the background, the next she's solving mysteries in the Pearl Station while the dude is comic relief in the toilet.
I know the producers have said that they aren't in purgatory, but how can they not be? Locke is leaning toward good, he saw the white light. Ecko was leaning toward bad, he got the black smoke monster. Right after refusing to repent, the black smoke monster kills him (sends him to hell?). Unless they're totally trying to set up misdirection, it has to be purgatory.
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no one thinks it's incredibly weird that eko's little brother said "you speak to me as if I were your brother" ? that tripped us out -- did the appearance of the smoke right after his "brother" went away mean that the smoke can take human forms? if it can it would explain Jack's dad and Hurley's asylum buddy, and possibly all the other human sightings that we thought were just in the characters' heads..
I agree with introducing new characters = gay
the "last" episode of the season next week better kick ass
I thought there were 2 more episodes before it went on hiatus?
Anyways, I'm angry after Ecko getting killed off. It just goes to show, get in a traffic violation in Hawaii and you get killed off. Anna Lucia, Libby, and now Ecko. Drive smart, cast members!
i think we can forego spoiler tags guys (probly need to just add it to the title of the thread). anyone coming into a >1 page thread on a TV show is asking for trouble
the show is pissing me off lately. the 2 new people are retarded. the scene in the Pearl made me just about turn it off
theres just too many threads of the story that the writers ignore and yet they just keep making more. its come to the point where any explanation for so much of this shit is just going to be a big cop-out. Like "oh, its a scientific experiment. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!" or "Oh, theyre aliens. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!" or "Oh, its purgatory. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!", etc.
I mean, scroll up and read some of the shit we were asking about in May. I still want to know about all that... why the fuck are you bringing in new cast members who have their own stupid ass stories that I dont care about.
anyway.. I dont think anyone has mentioned the bible reference with Ecko's brother's body. Ecko sees his brother even though he is dead. Massive stone blocks the entrance to his brother's tomb. His body is not there.
take it or leave it!
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cadalano wrote:anyway.. I dont think anyone has mentioned the bible reference with Ecko's brother's body. Ecko sees his brother even though he is dead. Massive stone blocks the entrance to his brother's tomb. His body is not there.
Yeah, when we saw that part my roommate said "AND ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN". I'm not sure why I like this show as much as I do, when all it ever does is give you blueballs.
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I'm still waiting to see what pans out.. cool to see that Juliet was part of the o.g. dharma initiative, we'll see who else was part of that madness before "our" characters landed on the scene..
I could say lots more random speculative things but I want to wait to see next week's
Interesting that the Dharma Initiative has wacky influence out in the real world too. Even though I knew it was coming, it still caught me off guard when he got hit by the bus.
And what about Ben (Henry Gale) being the father of that girl that helped Sawyer and Kate escape. I was always under the impression that she was the daughter of the French lady, so does that mean she is the daughter of both of them? And if so, was she born on the island? Have been and the French lady been there for 20 years or however old that girl is?
"It's like these guys take pride in being ignorant."- Barack Obama
And what about Ben (Henry Gale) being the father of that girl that helped Sawyer and Kate escape. I was always under the impression that she was the daughter of the French lady, so does that mean she is the daughter of both of them? And if so, was she born on the island? Have been and the French lady been there for 20 years or however old that girl is?
Apparently in last weeks episode, the part where they were going all Clockwork Orange on the guy with the brainwashing, if you play the scene backwards it repeats a message along the lines of "Only fools believe in the laws of space and time" or some such. Also, the guy guarding the building was reading Hawkings' book 'A Brief History of Time'. Now we've learned more about Desmonds ability to see the future. Time seems to be a big central theme that's jumping out at us now. And oh Charlie, you're fuckered!
I was talking with my wife during the episode about how much I didn't like how Charlie was killed in Season 1 (was brought back to life though). Then I said if he died now, I wouldn't care so much because his character took a creepy turn. By the end of this episode, he seemed to bring out a few of his old traits that made him likable.
Oh well, bye Charlie!
I love Desmond episodes. He's the most entertaining character that was brought in after the original crew.
Yeah, I really enjoyed last night's episode. After last week I was kind of "meh", I think it was due in big part to being bitter that they took 3 months off. But last night just made up for that quite a bit.
Though it's a bit of a travesty to not have Kate in every episode. They need to put her continuously in a bubble in the corner of the screen, like when they have a sign language interpreter.
"It's like these guys take pride in being ignorant."- Barack Obama
Apparently in last weeks episode, the part where they were going all Clockwork Orange on the guy with the brainwashing, if you play the scene backwards it repeats a message along the lines of "Only fools believe in the laws of space and time" or some such. Also, the guy guarding the building was reading Hawkings' book 'A Brief History of Time'. Now we've learned more about Desmonds ability to see the future. Time seems to be a big central theme that's jumping out at us now. And oh Charlie, you're fuckered!
Do you have a source for any of that info, Dregor? I copied that to a friend who wanted to read more about it.
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really though, who gives a fuck about hurley's luck anymore? that whole episode was a waste -- sawyer made it somewhat watchable but even the hook at the end with "OMG the french lady's daughter" was lame because we ALREADY KNEW THAT..
meh
next week looks better but this was really the worst episode I can recall watching =(
really though, who gives a fuck about hurley's luck anymore? that whole episode was a waste -- sawyer made it somewhat watchable but even the hook at the end with "OMG the french lady's daughter" was lame because we ALREADY KNEW THAT..
meh
next week looks better but this was really the worst episode I can recall watching =(
I mean, the only reason I can see for that episode was to make it so the inevitable demise of Charlie that was foretold 2 episodes ago could be erased. If hurley changed both of their luck and broke the curse, nothing to worry about.
My question: why bother with it in the first place. Give us some kind of closure on something rather than inventing gay 2 episode arcs that are compeletly unnecessary.
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Sylvus wrote: Though it's a bit of a travesty to not have Kate in every episode. They need to put her continuously in a bubble in the corner of the screen, like when they have a sign language interpreter.
I wouldn't be opposed to that, provided she was making out with Jack and Sawyer...alternately or at the same time, I don't care
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Yes, nothing happened last night, but I still enjoyed the episode. It doesn't bother me that sometimes nothing happens as long as it's fun to watch. It had moments of funny, quirky, emotional interplay, meteors.
Oh damn I can't believe I forgot about Desmond! He's actually my favorite desert island stud. The accent throws him over the top.
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So was the story that Mikhail told true, except for which team he was on? The Others are "the hostiles", and they killed off all of the real Dharma people on the island? I wonder where they came from...
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He did. Also, remember Ben said he has lived on the island his whole life. The Dharma Initiative started in the 70's (or 60's?). So the "hostiles" have assumably been around longer.
There are so many mysteries in this show, I can't even begin to theorize wtf is going on.
I LOVE IT!!!!
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Of course, Ben could be lying. It's just too hard to tell!
It's a shame they are hurting in ratings. The large break hurt them, as did the time change apparently. Also having the characters split up like they have been has not been a good thing IMO. Notice it's been getting better ever since Kate and Sawyer rejoined the rest. The biggest deterrent to the show at the moment tho is the American viewing public. Your average viewer is getting lost with all the secrets and questions and demanding to know what's going on. Of course, once they knew everything, they wouldn't want to watch anymore. But don't try and tell them that!
When Lost came out, I absolutely loved it. But now, I'm getting extremely tired of having one question answered and get ten more questions! The show is getting pathetic. It's no wonder the shows ratings is getting worse every week. They are getting to greedy and trying to milk the show for as long as they can, all they are going to end up doing is having to cancel the show when everyone stops watching. Episodes like the other week where they went over Hurley's luck and past are pure filler crap to extend the show as much as possible. The majority of that show was completely uneeded. It's like going back and telling us more about Sun and her husband. Get over it already, we've seen enough of their past. Shows like Heroes have it perfect. Forget it's premise for a moment (in case you don't like that show, thats ok), I'm using it simply as a show that has suspense and mystery, yet they constantly are giving you answers without creating ten more questions. I'm not the only one feeling like this, most of my friends that have been watching the show since the beginning feel exactly the same. I'm afraid the show Lost is lost in itself...
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