For Dar and anyone else who harbors his feelings.

Cracc · Post by **Cracc** » September 14, 2004, 4:16 am

Hey Winnow, PROVE to me God does not exist

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 14, 2004, 5:12 am

Cracc wrote:Hey Winnow, PROVE to me God does not exist

Shove a hot poker up your ass and see if God saves you! : )

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » September 14, 2004, 5:24 am

No one is currently being denied the right to have whatever kind of relationship they want with whoever they want.

Yes they are. See previous threads on this topic ad nauseam.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » September 14, 2004, 8:18 am

Cracc wrote:Hey Winnow, PROVE to me God does not exist

Winnow is proof enough that there is no form of benevolent being controlling the world!

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 14, 2004, 8:55 am

Dregor Thule wrote:
Atokal wrote:But the fact remains, gays and lesbians give money to organizations that exist for the purpose of furthering their agenda of hate and bigotry.

They organize, they fund, they make it their business to ensure that laws are passed that force others to live by their rules. When that fails, they often resort to litigation, violence and labeling anyone who disagrees as a bigot or filled with hatred.

These are not isolated events, these are the actions of everyday fine upstanding Gays and Lesbians and their leaders. So stop supporting any gay or lesbian organization that propogates the lifestyle, lobby’s government for change, or uses hatred and reverse bigotry to achieve their goals.

WHO the hell are you trying to kid, because you are gay it is ok to use bigoted opinion and hatred to make your point that Christians are filled with hatred and bigotry. Get off your high horse you pompous ass. I have my beliefs, and have not ever slammed someone for being gay. I do however retain the right to disagree with you. I suppose that is the problem with Christians, they disagree with your lifestyle.
Don't you have an ice cream truck you're supposed to be cruising in?

I talked to Toker on the phone Dregor and well to be honest the Ice Cream trucks are useless ever since you ate your way through town.

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » September 14, 2004, 10:04 am

Get a fucking life, why are you even so interested in Dregor's weight? Were you trying to slum on the "down low" and he knocked you back?

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » September 14, 2004, 11:25 am

Sylvus wrote:Atokal, do you have specific instances in mind of when homosexuals have comitted acts of violence against Christians? I am not aware of any.

I realize you're just trying to turn Aaemdar's argument against him but it really doesn't work. The Bible passages that people often quote to say that God is against homosexuality are basically Christian-endorsed bigotry. Just because you believe that your god said it doesn't change that fact.

The difference between Christians disagreeing with the "Gay lifestyle" and vice versa is that Christians have rights that gay people do not. Disagree with the lifestyle all you want, just let them have the same rights that you do.

Unfortunately the cases I would reference are from some time ago in Toronto, where some folks (I assume were Christians) were demonstrating against the Gay Pride Parade and they were pelted with eggs hit etc by those in the parade.

I would challenge Aaeamdar in the same manner to produce proof from the past decade where an organized religion has condoned violence against gay folks.

I agree that the gay and lesbian community deserve the same rights as "breeders". My issue is not with the issue itself but with the author (aaeamdar) making such ignorant broad sweeping statements that ALL Christians suck, etc.

The hypocracy is astounding that someone with an ax to grind over intolerance is one of the most intolerant people on these boards.

Noel, I proved you to be an idiot on the other thread and you are no longer worth my time.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » September 14, 2004, 11:32 am

Zaelath wrote:Get a fucking life, why are you even so interested in Dregor's weight? Were you trying to slum on the "down low" and he knocked you back?

Hey Jenny, Dregor seems to continually insinuate that I am a child molester, which is patently untrue. However Dregor is obese. I personally was wondering if this was just another attempt to insult me or if he was merely hungry again.

If Dregor lost some weight (perhaps half of what he currently weighs) and stopped gorging at the trough so much he could send his old clothes and the money saved from his fast food budget to the needy and no further donations would be required. Damn he could become a humanitarian.

Hesten · Post by **Hesten** » September 14, 2004, 11:47 am

Atokal wrote: Unfortunately the cases I would reference are from some time ago in Toronto, where some folks (I assume were Christians) were demonstrating against the Gay Pride Parade and they were pelted with eggs hit etc by those in the parade.

We also had gay parades here in denmark, and we have had problems with young people throwing rocks at the parade.

Thereby all young people must be evil and trying to enfore their hidden agenda on us, right?

miir · Post by **miir** » September 14, 2004, 11:50 am

Unfortunately the cases I would reference are from some time ago in Toronto, where some folks (I assume were Christians) were demonstrating against the Gay Pride Parade and they were pelted with eggs hit etc by those in the parade.

Bullshit.
Why do you have to make shit up to try to give your argument credibility?
And why the fuck would people in the Pride Parade be carrying eggs?

I've attended nearly every Pride parade in Toronto in the past 10 years and have never seen or heard of any atercations between christian zealots and those immoral fags in the parade.

Since you have no 'proof' of your claim and you'd probably be afraid to be in the same room with a fag, your argument holds no credibility.

Cracc · Post by **Cracc** » September 14, 2004, 11:57 am

So you cant prove it winnow?

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » September 14, 2004, 12:24 pm

miir wrote:
Unfortunately the cases I would reference are from some time ago in Toronto, where some folks (I assume were Christians) were demonstrating against the Gay Pride Parade and they were pelted with eggs hit etc by those in the parade.
Bullshit.
Why do you have to make shit up to try to give your argument credibility?
And why the fuck would people in the Pride Parade be carrying eggs?

I've attended nearly every Pride parade in Toronto in the past 10 years and have never seen or heard of any atercations between christian zealots and those immoral fags in the parade.

Since you have no 'proof' of your claim and you'd probably be afraid to be in the same room with a fag, your argument holds no credibility.

I shared a room with Aaeamdar in Vegas, I work in an industry where a good percentage of my clients are gay. I have no phobia's that I am aware of regarding ones sexual orientation.

Now as to your claim regarding the gay parade in Toronto. One of the people demonstrating was a friend of mine and it occured on the inaugural day of the parade. That would make it 16 years ago.

But as to proof that OH MY GOD Gays can resort to violence please follow this link.

http://365gay.com/NewsContent/060203pieDemo.htm

Not to mention the Stonewall Inn incident back in 69'.

I am sure there are others.

But to say that any group has never been involved in a violent protest, whether in self-defence or as the antagonist when the issue was/is as contentious as gay rights is fucking stupid.

Perhaps the incident I mentioned didn't get written up for any number of reasons. Did it happen, hrmm I would think it did, because for a guy to say he got beaten up by a "fag" back in the bad old days was probably embarrassing as hell to admit to.

Most are missing my point. I totally agree that gays/lesbians should be afforded the same rights as hetros. The problem is with the poster and his ad nauseum attacks on Christians.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 14, 2004, 12:26 pm

Zaelath wrote:Get a fucking life, why are you even so interested in Dregor's weight? Were you trying to slum on the "down low" and he knocked you back?

Because he attacked Toker with the Pedophile joke you fucking Chubby chaser

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 14, 2004, 1:41 pm

miir wrote:I've attended nearly every Pride parade in Toronto in the past 10 years...

Why?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 14, 2004, 1:46 pm

Metanis wrote:
miir wrote:I've attended nearly every Pride parade in Toronto in the past 10 years...
Why?

Come on Met!!! you couldnt tell which way this boy swings? My god look at his post, The way he carries himself my god his Bard is a girl named Effie Wiffe. The first day I met Miir I now he was a pillow biter.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 14, 2004, 1:47 pm

Metanis wrote:
miir wrote:I've attended nearly every Pride parade in Toronto in the past 10 years...
Why?

For the same reason I also attend the Caribana parade every year.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 14, 2004, 1:57 pm

OMG MIIR MUST BE GAY FOR ATTENDING GAY PRIDE PARADES!11!!1ONE!1!

Seriously though - I've attended gay pride parades in Manhattan, if Las Vegas had them, I'd attend them here as well.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 14, 2004, 1:59 pm

Thess wrote:OMG MIIR MUST BE GAY FOR ATTENDING GAY PRIDE PARADES!11!!1ONE!1!

Seriously though - I've attended gay pride parades in Manhattan, if Las Vegas had them, I'd attend them here as well.

Why?

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 14, 2004, 2:06 pm

Because I like to show support.

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » September 14, 2004, 2:18 pm

Atolkal wrote:I shared a room with Aaeamdar in Vegas, I work in an industry where a good percentage of my clients are gay. I have no phobia's that I am aware of regarding ones sexual orientation.

So in essence you are really just jilted for being denied all the best ultra sex?

Seriously though, the sooner people realize there are no "sacred cows" in life and question everything, the world will be a much better (and more free) place to live in. As good christian you are supposed to turn the other cheek, anyhow.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 14, 2004, 2:26 pm

Jice Virago wrote:Seriously though, the sooner people realize there are no "sacred cows" in life and question everything

I wake up and question whether I should get out of bed. Then I question what bed. Then I question the sunshine streaming through the windows. Then I question whether this is a piss hard or does mama want some loving, but by the time I decide she's done left the room. Then I question if it's too cold to slip out from under the covers. Then I question whether I should get out of bed. Ooops, it's dark now, I might just as well stay in bed.

Jice Virago wrote:As good christian you are supposed to turn the other cheek, anyhow.

I don't think the Lord was talking about butt cheeks dude.

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » September 14, 2004, 3:02 pm

Metanis wrote:
Thess wrote:OMG MIIR MUST BE GAY FOR ATTENDING GAY PRIDE PARADES!11!!1ONE!1!

Seriously though - I've attended gay pride parades in Manhattan, if Las Vegas had them, I'd attend them here as well.
Why?

For the same reason you would attend an anti-gay rally... Really? I don't know for sure.

Mainly its what Thess said, to show support because people still discrimante against gays today.

Thats why.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 14, 2004, 3:24 pm

Now as to your claim regarding the gay parade in Toronto. One of the people demonstrating was a friend of mine and it occured on the inaugural day of the parade. That would make it 16 years ago.

So basically, the evidence that you have mustered is:

1. Someone got hit by an egg 16 years ago
2. 3 people got hit in the face by cream pies.

But the fact remains, gays and lesbians give money to organizations that exist for the purpose of furthering their agenda of hate and bigotry.

These are not isolated events, these are the actions of everyday fine upstanding Gays and Lesbians and their leaders. So stop supporting any gay or lesbian organization that propogates the lifestyle, lobby’s government for change, or uses hatred and reverse bigotry to achieve their goals.

So getting hit by an egg or a cream pie equals an "agenda of hate and bigotry?" Silly me, I thought that you were referring to, you know, actual actions of hatred and bigotry, like the brutal murder of Matthew Shepard or the dragging death of James Byrd. But no, no, you were talking about getting HIT IN THE FACE BY A FUCKING PIE. Seriously man, you have a long way to go on this one.

noel · Post by **noel** » September 14, 2004, 3:53 pm

Atokal wrote:Hey Jenny, Dregor seems to continually insinuate that I am a child molester, which is patently untrue. However Dregor is obese. I personally was wondering if this was just another attempt to insult me or if he was merely hungry again.

If Dregor lost some weight (perhaps half of what he currently weighs) and stopped gorging at the trough so much he could send his old clothes and the money saved from his fast food budget to the needy and no further donations would be required. Damn he could become a humanitarian.

Hey Jenny, Atokal seems to think it's more personal and it makes him less of an asshole if he posts your real name here on the forums. It wears off rather quickly and I'm sure you'll soon see what a prejudiced, bigotted, asshole he is.

Case in point this lastest retort to Dregor. You see, Atokal can whine all he wants about being called a child molestor, but that really only started after he made some false accusations of his own. Unable to 'do unto others', Atokal felt the need defend himself with some weak personal attacks that very clearly show his prejudice against people who are for whatever reason, overweight. The beautiful irony is that Atokal isn't going to be confused with a fitness instructor anytime soon.

Please feel free to insult my weight, Atokal. You and I can compare weight and body fat percentage anytime you like. Until you're ready to do this with me, shut the fuck up about Dregor or anyone elses weight. I realize it's impossible for you to post without making yourself look like an ass, but try it for a while.

For the record, NO, you didn't prove me to be an idiot, you just once again didn't understand the point I was making, or my stance on/personal religion, and it wasn't worth MY time to explain it to YOU. Contrary to popular belief, I have a hell of a lot of better things to do than respond to your bullshit 24/7.

Thess · Post by **Thess** » September 14, 2004, 3:58 pm

noel wrote:Hey Jenny, Atokal seems to think it's more personal and it makes him less of an asshole if he posts your real name here on the forums. It wears off rather quickly and I'm sure you'll soon see what a prejudiced, bigotted, asshole he is.

The real question is - if I call you noel, am I doing so to make it personal or just referring to your VV name?

miir · Post by **miir** » September 14, 2004, 4:03 pm

Thess wrote:
noel wrote:Hey Jenny, Atokal seems to think it's more personal and it makes him less of an asshole if he posts your real name here on the forums. It wears off rather quickly and I'm sure you'll soon see what a prejudiced, bigotted, asshole he is.
The real question is - if I call you noel, am I doing so to make it personal or just referring to your VV name?

Yes.

noel · Post by **noel** » September 14, 2004, 4:09 pm

You can call me Susan if it makes you happy.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » September 14, 2004, 5:17 pm

You can call me Susan if it makes you happy.

Sweet. Now this thread is getting somewhere. May I also call you Susan and can you describe to me what you would be wearing?

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 14, 2004, 5:23 pm

People's Weight and Gays? How did this discussion devolve into this?

Maybe a picture of Palumbo will set everyone back on track again!

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » September 14, 2004, 5:24 pm

That is disgusting.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 14, 2004, 5:25 pm

Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:People's Weight and Gays? How did this discussion devolve into this?

Maybe a picture of Palumbo will set everyone back on track again!

He needs to get rid of the beer belly!

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » September 14, 2004, 5:29 pm

The guy looks like he's a piece of claymation.

Hoarmurath · Post by **Hoarmurath** » September 14, 2004, 5:52 pm

Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:Palumbo will set everyone back on track again!

First thing I thought of was...

new model for Phinny!!!1!

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » September 14, 2004, 5:56 pm

<--- Fat (for now at least)

Please tell me what the hell that has to do with someone's post or intelligence on this board? Calling someone names is not only childish but shows a lack argumenative skills. If you can't win by logic, call'em names! Don't be that guy...

Marb

noel · Post by **noel** » September 14, 2004, 6:07 pm

Aaeamdar wrote:
You can call me Susan if it makes you happy.
Sweet. Now this thread is getting somewhere. May I also call you Susan and can you describe to me what you would be wearing?

It's a quote from the movie, 'Snatch'

I just changed the name to noel because Aranuil is long gone.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » September 14, 2004, 6:20 pm

Well, crap. I was hoping it was a come on. Snatch is a great movie though.

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 14, 2004, 6:20 pm

Marbus wrote:<--- Fat (for now at least)

Please tell me what the hell that has to do with someone's post or intelligence on this board? Calling someone names is not only childish but shows a lack argumenative skills. If you can't win by logic, call'em names! Don't be that guy...

Marb

Eggzactly! Weight or sexual preference should not matter at all!

Retorting to namecalling = No logical argument!

Let's see a good discussion! Or Palumbo may have to return!

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » September 14, 2004, 6:37 pm

Metanis wrote:I don't think the Lord was talking about butt cheeks dude.

I give you points for humor, but I have to ask what precicely qualifies you (someone who admits inability to make rational decisions in a timely manner) to interpret what the lord intended?

In fact, I would go as far as to say that using the Bible as a source, there is more of an argument that Christ was a pole smoker than arguments against homosexuality. The guy said "Love thy fellow man", never had a girlfriend, and was famous for having a dinner party with his twelve closest male friends. Any other 30+ year old jewish man who fit that description would immediately be branded a peter puffer. Conclusion: Christ loved teh cock. I am curious to see if you guys can pull any refutations to that out of your ass.

This all comes down to seperation of church and state, anyhow. If you want to know what ruffles atheists feathers, its every time some law is passed to force people to conform to their arbitrary standards of morality. I can live with mentioning god in the currency and even with "under god" being added to the pledge of allegience. What I can't stand are ignorant superstitious nut jobs who are anit abortion, but unwilling to adopt children and are so uptight that no one would fuck them in the first place. What I can't stand are Jesus freaks burning books and trying to replace evolution with "creationism" (as if thats even remotely a science) in public schools. What I can't stand are people being forced into 12 step programs by court order, when these programs require you seek "god's" assistance to succeed and have been proven to be largely unsuccessful. What I can't stand is a president who claims "god" put him in office, who then replaces non secular programs and projects with "faith based initiatives" putting more money into the hands of these already tax exempt intollerant groups. This is where my anger comes from and if any other social/ethnic/religeous group pulled the same shit I would be just as pissed.

Oh yeah, homos are here to stay. They were here before the crispies by at least two millenia and probably date back to prehistory. Homosexuality exists in nature as well. The sooner you guys get over your crippling fear of the man ass tempting all men away from the holy bond of penis and vagina, the better off the world will be.

Aaeamdar · Post by **Aaeamdar** » September 14, 2004, 6:47 pm

Jice,
You forgot another crucial piece of information. He had that whore Marian hanging with him that he never had sex with - clearly his fag hag.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » September 14, 2004, 8:26 pm

Who is Jenny? I got my expected rise out of Atokal, my work here is done!

Zaelath · Post by **Zaelath** » September 14, 2004, 10:09 pm

noel wrote:
Atokal wrote:Hey Jenny, Dregor seems to continually insinuate that I am a child molester, which is patently untrue. However Dregor is obese. I personally was wondering if this was just another attempt to insult me or if he was merely hungry again.

If Dregor lost some weight (perhaps half of what he currently weighs) and stopped gorging at the trough so much he could send his old clothes and the money saved from his fast food budget to the needy and no further donations would be required. Damn he could become a humanitarian.
Hey Jenny, Atokal seems to think it's more personal and it makes him less of an asshole if he posts your real name here on the forums. It wears off rather quickly and I'm sure you'll soon see what a prejudiced, bigotted, asshole he is.

Hehehe, who's Jenny?

Anyway, I can understand attacking someone for slander.. but calling him fat as a rebuttal just makes you look uneducated and impotent, not righteous...

noel · Post by **noel** » September 15, 2004, 12:08 am

I always thought you were a guy, but given that I haven't played EQ in quite a while, I thought it might be possible Jeffrey knew something I didn't.

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 15, 2004, 12:24 am

Noel! Who's Jenny?

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » September 15, 2004, 1:21 am

Marb wants everyone to know though that he did start workig out again a couple of months ago... partially due to inspiration from Kwonryu! All those BB pic and discussions made me really mis the old days pumping iron. Almost back to where I can work out easily with 225 on bench (don't laugh it's been awhile) once I'm back to at least that I'll start dieting... Hey, got to get back in shape so I can teach my sons how to play football

Marb

noel · Post by **noel** » September 15, 2004, 1:40 am

Kwonryu DragonFist wrote:Noel! Who's Jenny?

I'm fairly certain Atokal thought Zaelath was someone he was not.

Atokal · Post by **Atokal** » September 15, 2004, 11:46 am

noel wrote:
Atokal wrote:Hey Jenny, Dregor seems to continually insinuate that I am a child molester, which is patently untrue. However Dregor is obese. I personally was wondering if this was just another attempt to insult me or if he was merely hungry again.

If Dregor lost some weight (perhaps half of what he currently weighs) and stopped gorging at the trough so much he could send his old clothes and the money saved from his fast food budget to the needy and no further donations would be required. Damn he could become a humanitarian.
Hey Jenny, Atokal seems to think it's more personal and it makes him less of an asshole if he posts your real name here on the forums. It wears off rather quickly and I'm sure you'll soon see what a prejudiced, bigotted, asshole he is.

Case in point this lastest retort to Dregor. You see, Atokal can whine all he wants about being called a child molestor, but that really only started after he made some false accusations of his own. Unable to 'do unto others', Atokal felt the need defend himself with some weak personal attacks that very clearly show his prejudice against people who are for whatever reason, overweight. The beautiful irony is that Atokal isn't going to be confused with a fitness instructor anytime soon.

Please feel free to insult my weight, Atokal. You and I can compare weight and body fat percentage anytime you like. Until you're ready to do this with me, shut the fuck up about Dregor or anyone elses weight. I realize it's impossible for you to post without making yourself look like an ass, but try it for a while.

For the record, NO, you didn't prove me to be an idiot, you just once again didn't understand the point I was making, or my stance on/personal religion, and it wasn't worth MY time to explain it to YOU. Contrary to popular belief, I have a hell of a lot of better things to do than respond to your bullshit 24/7.

Ha you fucking retard, you respond to more of my posts than anyone else on the board. I have ignored at least a half dozen of Dregors childish accusations, so I finally responded.

Once and for all NO ONE CARES that you shave your legs, have 0% body fat, ride your bicycle without a seat or fucking breathe. You position yourself as a fair minded individual, constantly tooting your own horn and in the process reveal yourself as an insecure, little boy who is in constant need of being liked. Consequently your opinion always reflects that of the board. If you find insults like mine directed at Dregor unfair or mean-spirited would you not find his ridiculous accusations more offensive?

Further, once Dar was exposed as a bigotted individual with more than his share of hatred towards Christians you ignored the obvious and went after anyone who presented a differing opinion. Why?

Because it is good form on this board to shout down the conservative right, and the Christian, regardless of how well their arguments are presented. Adex, Krimson and others present a very well thought out argument on most topics and they are attacked. Where are you with your fucking internet cap and superhero tights when that happens? Nowhere to be found much like your own convictions which change daily.

Finally if Miir's real name is Jenny then it was a pure coincidence, Aranuil.

Cheers

Kwonryu DragonFist · September 15, 2004, 12:19 pm

0 % Bodyfat? That's Impossible!

noel · Post by **noel** » September 15, 2004, 12:43 pm

Whatever, Jeffrey. While I'm quite certain that's what you believe, that's not the reality. I'm used to your views of me and reality being quite different. You're going to have to come up with something better than that.

Kwon: 0% = dead person last I checked. I doubt Jeffrey can find a post where I said I had 0% body fat, but I'm fairly certain I can find a few posts where he accuses someone else of being obese, overweight, etc. Jeffrey thinks it's perfectly acceptable to attack the person when he can't attack a superior argument.

vn_Tanc · Post by **vn_Tanc** » September 15, 2004, 12:50 pm

Because it is good form on this board to shout down the conservative right, and the Christian, regardless of how well their arguments are presented

Bollocks.

Adex, Krimson and others present a very well thought out argument on most topics and they are attacked

And more bollocks. Most of the time their arguments are treated with the respect they deserve until they stray into "god says so" territory at which point the argument comes under sharp focus. And these guys are big enough to stand it as well.

They sure don't need sore-pussy whining on their behalf by someone whose only contribution here are posts stalking kyoucan and aranuil.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 15, 2004, 1:17 pm

Jice Virago wrote:
Metanis wrote:I don't think the Lord was talking about butt cheeks dude.
I give you points for humor, but I have to ask what precicely qualifies you (someone who admits inability to make rational decisions in a timely manner) to interpret what the lord intended?

Ummmm, I'm not even going to begin dealing with the rest of your post until you explain what your comment here was intended to mean.

If you are talking about the paragraph which I started;

Metanis wrote:I wake up and question whether I should get out of bed

Then you need to go back and read my post because it was SARCASM directed at your silly comment;

Jice wrote:Seriously though, the sooner people realize there are no "sacred cows" in life and question everything

The sarcasm is intended to show the utter stupidity of questioning everything. We would be paralyzed into total stasis. It is just as important in life to learn to accept certain truths and move on to the real issues.