Well, well, well...

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » May 31, 2003, 1:22 pm

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... gence_dc_2

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A growing number of U.S. national security professionals are accusing the Bush administration of slanting the facts and hijacking the $30 billion intelligence apparatus to justify its rush to war in Iraq

A key target is a four-person Pentagon team that reviewed material gathered by other intelligence outfits for any missed bits that might have tied Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to banned weapons or terrorist groups.

This team, self-mockingly called the Cabal, "cherry-picked the intelligence stream" in a bid to portray Iraq as an imminent threat, said Patrick Lang, a former head of worldwide human intelligence gathering for the Defense Intelligence Agency, which coordinates military intelligence.

The DIA was "exploited and abused and bypassed in the process of making the case for war in Iraq based on the presence of WMD," or weapons of mass destruction, he added in a phone interview. He said the CIA had "no guts at all" to resist the allegedly deliberate skewing of intelligence by a Pentagon that he said was now dominating U.S. foreign policy.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) counterterrorist operations, said he knew of serving intelligence officers who blame the Pentagon for playing up "fraudulent" intelligence, "a lot of it sourced from the Iraqi National Congress of Ahmad Chalabi."

The INC, which brought together groups opposed to Saddam, worked closely with the Pentagon to build a for the early use of force in Iraq.

"There are current intelligence officials who believe it is a scandal," he said in a telephone interview. They believe the administration, before going to war, had a "moral obligation to use the best information available, not just information that fits your preconceived ideas."

CHEMICAL WEAPONS REPORT 'SIMPLY WRONG'

The top Marine Corps officer in Iraq, Lt. Gen. James Conway, said on Friday U.S. intelligence was "simply wrong" in leading military commanders to fear troops were likely to be attacked with chemical weapons in the March invasion of Iraq that ousted Saddam.

Richard Perle, a Chalabi backer and member of the Defense Policy Board that advises Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, defended the four-person unit in a television interview.

"They established beyond any doubt that there were connections that had gone unnoticed in previous intelligence analysis," he said on the PBS NewsHour Thursday.

A Pentagon spokesman, Marine Lt. Col. David Lapan, said the team in question analyzed links among terrorist groups and alleged state sponsors and shared conclusions with the CIA.

"In one case, a briefing was presented to Director of Central Intelligence Tenet. It dealt with the links between Iraq and al Qaeda," the group blamed for the Sept. 2001 attacks on the United States, he said.

Tenet denied charges the intelligence community, on which the United States spends more than $30 billion a year, had skewed its analysis to fit a political agenda, a cardinal sin for professionals meant to tell the truth regardless of politics.

"I'm enormously proud of the work of our analysts," he said in a statement on Friday ahead of an internal review. "The integrity of our process has been maintained throughout and any suggestion to the contrary is simply wrong."

Tenet sat conspicuously behind Secretary of State Colin Powell during a key Feb. 5 presentation to the U.N. Security Council arguing Iraq represented an ominous and urgent threat -- as if to lend the CIA's credibility to the presentation, replete with satellite photos.

Powell said Friday his presentation was "the best analytic product that we could have put up."

SHAPED 'FROM THE TOP DOWN'

Greg Thielmann, who retired in September after 25 years in the State Department, the last four in the Bureau of Intelligence and Research working on weapons, said it appeared to him that intelligence had been shaped "from the top down."

"The normal processing of establishing accurate intelligence was sidestepped" in the runup to invading Iraq, said David Albright, a former U.N. weapons inspector who is president of the Institute for Science and International Security and who deals with U.S. intelligence officers.

Anger among security professionals appears widespread. Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, a group that says it is made up mostly of CIA intelligence analysts, wrote to U.S. President George Bush May 1 to hit what they called "a policy and intelligence fiasco of monumental proportions."

"In intelligence there is one unpardonable sin -- cooking intelligence to the recipe of high policy," it wrote. "There is ample indication this has been done with respect to Iraq."

Vaemas · Post by **Vaemas** » May 31, 2003, 1:35 pm

And you're surprised? Even those of us who semi-liked Bush knew he was just doing this for his own personal reasons.

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » May 31, 2003, 1:46 pm

Vaemas wrote:And you're surprised? Even those of us who semi-liked Bush knew he was just doing this for his own personal reasons.

No, I'm not suprised, but many of the Bush supporters that post here will be. That is, if they don't come up with some cockamamie reason why these men are full of shit.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » May 31, 2003, 2:04 pm

Rule Number 1) Don't ever trust anything comming out of Texas!
Rule Number 2) Dont ever elect a Former President's son<s> for any major office.
Rule Number 3) Dont ever elect a guy with the last name Bush. He is for everything UN-American.

Post by **Xouqoa** » May 31, 2003, 4:22 pm

Raistin wrote:Rule Number 1) Don't ever trust anything comming out of Texas!

Your rent is $600 this month, sir. Please to be paying by Friday.

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » May 31, 2003, 6:06 pm

Raistin wrote:Rule Number 1) Don't ever trust anything comming out of Texas!
Rule Number 2) Dont ever elect a Former President's son<s> for any major office.
Rule Number 3) Dont ever elect a guy with the last name Bush. He is for everything UN-American.

Rule Number 4) Don't elect someone with speaking capabilities that can be belittled by a chimpanzee

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » May 31, 2003, 6:07 pm

Odd why when I quoted Raistin did some of the stuff cross out?

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » May 31, 2003, 6:51 pm

Fes, your avatar makes my nervIs huge (yes, just my nervis, and no, nervis is not a pet name for anything).

Fesuni Chopsui · Post by **Fesuni Chopsui** » May 31, 2003, 8:08 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Fes, your avatar makes my nervIs huge (yes, just my nervis, and no, nervis is not a pet name for anything).

miir · Post by **miir** » May 31, 2003, 9:18 pm

Krimson Klaw wrote:Fes, your avatar makes my nervIs huge (yes, just my nervis, and no, nervis is not a pet name for anything).

fesnuis avatar is mesmerizing

Xzion · Post by **Xzion** » June 1, 2003, 8:57 am

At this point if any WOMDs are found in Iraq il be 95% sure they will a plant just to justify the War

Xyun · Post by **Xyun** » June 1, 2003, 10:01 am

Don't kid yourself. This information is meaningless to the warmongers. They really don't give a shit about its truth, or any truth for that matter. They had their petty little pseudo-war, and now they are basking in whatever glory can be found in stepping on a roach. Now they are going to milk every drop of oil out of the country, thinking they earned it. Sorta like earning a BoW by judging a freak show. Their ignorance and arrogance transcend truth itself, and they laugh at you, not realizing that they themselves are the puppets and the puppeteer is a horny pervert who enjoys anal sex with inanimate objects.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » June 1, 2003, 10:48 am

Xyun wrote:Don't kid yourself. This information is meaningless to the warmongers. They really don't give a shit about its truth, or any truth for that matter. They had their petty little pseudo-war, and now they are basking in whatever glory can be found in stepping on a roach. Now they are going to milk every drop of oil out of the country, thinking they earned it. Sorta like earning a BoW by judging a freak show. Their ignorance and arrogance transcend truth itself, and they laugh at you, not realizing that they themselves are the puppets and the puppeteer is a horny pervert who enjoys anal sex with inanimate objects.

Did you say something?

Acies · Post by **Acies** » June 2, 2003, 4:15 pm

Xyun wrote:Don't kid yourself. This information is meaningless to the warmongers. They really don't give a shit about its truth, or any truth for that matter. They had their petty little pseudo-war, and now they are basking in whatever glory can be found in stepping on a roach. Now they are going to milk every drop of oil out of the country, thinking they earned it. Sorta like earning a BoW by judging a freak show. Their ignorance and arrogance transcend truth itself, and they laugh at you, not realizing that they themselves are the puppets and the puppeteer is a horny pervert who enjoys anal sex with inanimate objects.

I agree with Xyun on the concept of what the 'warmongers' are likely doing but not what happened here. It is obvious that too many questions were asked and they needed someone (s) to fall, so these "cherry-pickers" were it.
However bro, please don't ever associate Taly with those assholes again, she did not opt for all this drama unlike those in governmental power.