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Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 11, 2003, 2:49 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/busin ... ner=GOOGLE

The rich get richer. One contract down and many, many more to go. The hanshaking and backslapping must be unbelievable.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 11, 2003, 2:54 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/busin ... ner=GOOGLE

The rich get richer. One contract down and many, many more to go. The hanshaking and backslapping must be unbelievable.

Great this should result in more jobs.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 11, 2003, 2:55 pm

Sup Cart?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 11, 2003, 2:57 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:Sup Cart?

Sup my Little Druid Friend

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 11, 2003, 3:00 pm

Chillin. With summer right around the corner life gets busy. How much EQ you playing lately? I seem to have slacked off OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS lately, although not by choice

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 11, 2003, 3:02 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:Chillin. With summer right around the corner life gets busy. How much EQ you playing lately? I seem to have slacked off OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS lately, although not by choice

Not much been working on Teekken OMGIAMRETARDEDCAUSEALOTISTWOWORDS got him to 62.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 11, 2003, 3:08 pm

Cartalas wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/busin ... ner=GOOGLE

The rich get richer. One contract down and many, many more to go. The hanshaking and backslapping must be unbelievable.

Great this should result in more jobs.

roughly the same number of jobs would have been created regardless of who won the bid.

hell maybe even more money would be distributed through the economy if cronieism wasn't employed. try again

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 11, 2003, 3:11 pm

Voronwë wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/busin ... ner=GOOGLE

The rich get richer. One contract down and many, many more to go. The hanshaking and backslapping must be unbelievable.

Great this should result in more jobs.
roughly the same number of jobs would have been created regardless of who won the bid.

hell maybe even more money would be distributed through the economy if cronieism wasn't employed. try again

I was being a smart ass this is the one part of this war I do not agree on. All Coallition companies should be allowed to bid on this.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » April 11, 2003, 5:05 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:The rich get richer. One contract down and many, many more to go. The hanshaking and backslapping must be unbelievable.

You mental midgets are too much!

Who in hell do you think is going to get the contracts? Chirac? Putin? Kooky?

"Only four or five companies can do this in the world, and Halliburton is one," said Jim Wicklund, oil analyst for Bank of America Securities. "This has nothing to do with Dick Cheney."

This whole thing is an attempt to smear the administration by a couple of Democrats with a history of animosity to anybody to the right of Jane Fonda...

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-California, and Rep. John Dingell, D-Michigan, Tuesday asked the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, to look into contracts

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 11, 2003, 5:24 pm

if it is all on the 'up and up' metanis, why was the bidding confidential?

if it is legitimate what is there to hide? the contracts can even be edited. i'm not saying they were illigitimate, but since the bidding process was not a public process like things like this usually are, they should have know it was going to draw political fire.

i'm sure they did.

and i'm sure they didnt care.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 11, 2003, 5:28 pm

Who in hell do you think is going to get the contracts?

So, this dosen't concern you in the slightest? There's nothing unusual about this? Goddamn dude, you'll eat any shit they feed you, won't you?

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 11, 2003, 5:31 pm

Voronwë wrote:roughly the same number of jobs would have been created regardless of who won the bid.

bid hahahahaha.

ahahahahahaha.

bid hahaha

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » April 11, 2003, 5:34 pm

if it is all on the 'up and up' metanis, why was the bidding confidential?

Govt bidding is always confindential. The idea is that you have to protect the bid of Company A from the prying eyes of Company B.

It's a stupid idea. All it accomplishes is preventing government entities from negotiating over contracts. What you see as the initial offer is all you gonna get, no jewing allowed.

Stupid, but it's this way with every government entity I have ever helped out on a bid. Don't get the idea this particular bid was somehow handled differently.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 11, 2003, 5:36 pm

Fallanthas wrote:[Govt bidding is always confindential.

No it's not. Stop lying or being stupid.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » April 11, 2003, 6:45 pm

Democrats ask GAO to probe Halliburton defense contracts
Cheney ties questioned
From Dana Bash
CNN Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON (CNN) --Two senior congressional Democrats called for an investigation into whether the oil services company Vice President Dick Cheney once headed has received special treatment in getting defense contracts.

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-California, and Rep. John Dingell, D-Michigan, Tuesday asked the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, to look into contracts received over the last two years by the Texas-based Halliburton Corp. and its subsidiaries, which the congressmen said totaled at least $600 million.

"The ties between the vice president and Halliburton have raised concerns about whether the company has received favorable treatment from the administration," Waxman and Dingell wrote in a letter to the GAO.

But a spokeswoman for Cheney, who was Halliburton's CEO from 1995 to 2000, said he "has nothing at all to do with awarding these contracts, the bidding process or the current work orders."

"He severed all financial ties with Halliburton before he took office," said spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise.

Among the contracts that Waxman and Dingell want the GAO to investigate is one awarded last month by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to Kellogg Brown and Root, a Halliburton subsidiary, to put out oil fires in Iraq, without competitive bidding or a price cap.

But a spokesman for the Corps of Engineers told CNN that KBR was awarded the contract because it had already won a bid in December 2001 to pre-position firefighting assets in the region.

"They were the only ones who had the people and equipment there to respond quickly," said spokesman Scott Saunders. "Oil well fires are environmentally and economically disastrous, and we couldn't wait."

Wendy Hall, a spokeswoman for Halliburton, said charges of preferential treatment were off base, noting that KBR has been working for the Defense Department since before World War II.

"The vice president has absolutely nothing to do with the awarding of defense contracts," she said.

"With more than 60 years of government experience, KBR has a proven track record on military contracts, such as production of Navy war ships for World War II, the construction of the Phan Rang Air Base in Vietnam in 1965 and the designation as the premier logistics services provider for U.S. troops stationed in the Balkans."

However, Dingell and Waxman asked the GAO to look into why KBR was awarded the contract when the GAO itself has found that the company billed the Army for questionable expenses for work it did in the Balkans.

They also noted that Halliburton is being investigated by the Securities and Exchange Commission for alleged accounting irregularities in 1998, when Cheney was CEO.

In making their request, the congressmen noted that Cheney has received more than $33 million from Halliburton stock and stock options and still continues to receive deferred compensation from the company of about $180,000 a year.

But sources close to the vice president said that the payments are part of a compensation package negotiated in December 1998 -- well before Cheney was picked to be President Bush's running mate -- and that the payments aren't dependent on the state of the company's finances. He chose to spread the payments out over five years, likely for tax purposes, the sources said.

Halliburton sources and industry analysts also note there are only a handful of companies equipped to handle large government contracts to rebuild oil fields and perform other reconstruction projects.

"Only four or five companies can do this in the world, and Halliburton is one," said Jim Wicklund, oil analyst for Bank of America Securities. "This has nothing to do with Dick Cheney."

The U.S. Agency for International Development is poised to award the first contract for civil reconstruction in Iraq, estimated to be worth $600 million. Halliburton has said it doesn't plan to bid on that contract but may bid for some subcontracting work.

In their letter, the Democrats questioned whether Halliburton "will now attempt to play a low-profile, but still lucrative, subcontracting role on the contract."

A leading expert on government procurement says the secrecy under which the government may be awarding contracts could leave the perception of questionable conduct, but that historically there has been a bright line drawn.

"Politicians don't award contracts, career civil servants do. One of the things we do well in American procurement is to insulate politics from the process," said Professor Steve Schooner of George Washington University Law School.

Democratic members have Congress have complained since before the war started not only about questionable contracts, but about the fact that companies in the running to rebuild Iraq had more information on the administration's plans than they did.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » April 11, 2003, 11:35 pm

Yeah Kyou,

Just because I WORK for the government and WRITE the fucking bid specs, I can't possibly know more about the bid process than some non-US citizen typing and spitting fromt he great white north.

Come to the US.

Walk down to city hall, or the state capitol and tell them you would like to see the last contractor bid that came through.

When they laugh at you, you can once again drag your ass home and cry.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » April 12, 2003, 12:52 am

kyoukan wrote:
Fallanthas wrote:[Govt bidding is always confindential.
No it's not. Stop lying or being stupid.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 12, 2003, 9:37 am

Sorry Fall, but you're wrong, or at the very least, being way too general.

We just won a military bid against 6 other companies. The winning bid was announced in the local paper. Also, we've bid on various government projects ranging from moving the local courthouse or library, all the way up to the contract for the entire state of michigan (where the winner of the bid was announced online).

Furthermore, it is common knowledge who builds our military aircraft, vehicles, and chemical weapon kits. Virtually every aspect of our military is contracted out and I bet it wouldn't take 10 minutes of searching online to find out who does what. All those projects are bid upon.

Fallanthas · Post by **Fallanthas** » April 12, 2003, 4:34 pm

That's a contract, not a bid.

You can't see bids, they are confidential. Once an award is made you can usually get the financial terms of the contract, although very rarely does that include tech specs and such.

Bid = proposal

Contract = accepted proposal

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 12, 2003, 5:12 pm

A perfect example is how highly public the bidding war was to design and build the next generation of fighters for the usaf. Everything was laid out on the table for the three companies going for it and everyone knew the costs.

Private bids on a federal level are pretty much always public unless something shady is going on.

The fact you do it differently at your town hall in Dryhump Missouri or wherever the fuck you live does not matter to me a whit. You're probably lying out your ass anyway to try and make your point.

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