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It appears the rumored class-action lawsuits against SCEA could be over before they even started. The Supreme Court gave corporations a major win Wednesday, ruling in a 5-4 decision that companies can block their disgruntled customers from joining together in a class-action lawsuit.
So.. Big money scores another win. First they became citizens and now they can't have class action lawsuits brought against them?
In the past, consumers who bought a product or a service had been free to join a class-action lawsuit if they were dissatisfied or felt they had been cheated. By combining these small claims, they could bring a major lawsuit against a corporation.

But in Wednesday's decision, the high court said that under the Federal Arbitration Act companies can force these disgruntled customers to arbitrate their complaints individually, not as part of a group. Consumer-rights advocates said this rule would spell the end for small claims involving products or services.

In the case before the court, a Southern California couple complained about a $30 charge involving their purchase of cellphone service from AT&T Mobility. The California courts said they were entitled to join with others in bringing a class-action claim against the cellphone company.

But the Supreme Court reversed that decision Wednesday in AT&T Mobility vs. Concepcion. Justice Antonin Scalia said companies may require buyers to sign arbitration agreements, and those agreements may preclude class-action claims. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Anthony Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. formed the majority.

Scalia said companies like arbitration because it is efficient and less costly. "Arbitration is poorly suited to the higher stakes of class litigation," he said.

But the dissenters said a practical ban on class action would be unfair to cheated consumers. Justice Stephen G. Breyer said the California courts had insisted on permitting class-action claims, despite arbitration clauses that forbade them. Otherwise, he said, it would allow a company to "insulate" itself "from liability for its own frauds by deliberately cheating large numbers of consumers out of individually small sums of money."

Breyer added that a ban on class actions would prevent lawyers from representing clients for small claims. "What rational lawyer would have signed on to represent the Concepcions in litigation for the possibility of fees stemming from a $30.22 claim?" he wrote. Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan joined his dissent.

The court itself divided along partisan lines. All five Republican appointes formed the majority, and four Democratic appointees dissented.

Still pending before the court is a major dispute over class-action suits involving job discrimination. Lawyers for Wal-Mart have asked the justices to throw out a sex-discrimination claim brought on behalf of 1.5 million current and past female employees.
Disgusting. USA.. Home of the wealthy. If you have no money you can fuck off.
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This is a major, major decision. Consumer class actions are more or less dead. This one is a statutory interpretation ruling, not a constitutional interpretation ruling, so it could theoretically could be overturned by a very simple act of Congress. Good luck with that, though.

The thing that sucks about this is it means companies can fuck with you with absolutely zero recourse. Say your cell phone company decides to slap a $20 charge onto your bill for "hosting exchange transfer fees" or some nonsense. Your only choice now is to spend a ton of time and money to enter private arbitration with the company to get your $20 back. You could cancel your contract, but then you'll get slapped with a cancellation fee. You could refuse to pay, but they'd fuck your credit in retaliation.

It used to be that you could join a class action lawsuit. Maybe it wouldn't make you much money-- odds are it wouldn't even net you the $20-- and maybe it would help make some class action lawyers rich. But the costs provided a strong incentive for the companies to not do shit like this, which might result in a big lawsuit.

This is "legislating from the bench" as much as anything. Class actions have been codified into law by Congress and by the courts. Now they're gone because they're "preempted" by the Federal Arbitration Act (huh?). If you can't get enough popular support to get large-scale tort reform through Congress, just ask your buddy Scalia to do it for you, I guess.
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Granted, I have not read the actual decision, but I can understand how a person should not be able to ignore the arbitration arrangement they agreed to. If that portion of the service agreement can be thrown out by the consumer, what other portion could be thrown out as well? Could they just ignore any other process from the service contract because they don't like it? The way to do that is to read the contract/agreement before you agree to it.

Now, I have been involved in Class Action settlements myself. I think they are definite ways to leave a company with a black-eye over their actions. I have also removed myself from settlements, because I did not feel that there was any reason to benefit from them. An outright ban is not the answer, but how could they still be an option (based solely on this article)? Would they force each member through arbitration before allowing them to be considered part of a class-action suit? The companies know that fewer people will participate in arbitration than a lawsuit. Who wants to go in 1:1 with the company and another individual when you could be part of a mob of people that will not have to even show up in a court?

I just don't see how getting rid of class-action status completely will ever work for any consumer action, but I do understand that it maybe should not be allowed in some cases.
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Could actually have some benefits for a limited subset of consumers, once an issue becomes class action it's sometimes very hard to pursue individually if the company is smart. People who've been exceptionally harmed get hosed.
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Boogahz:
Granted, I have not read the actual decision, but I can understand how a person should not be able to ignore the arbitration arrangement they agreed to. If that portion of the service agreement can be thrown out by the consumer, what other portion could be thrown out as well? Could they just ignore any other process from the service contract because they don't like it? The way to do that is to read the contract/agreement before you agree to it.
There's not really much of a choice to it. Take cell phones. I would vguess that every significant mobile company includes a class action waiver as part of its terms. Reading the contract doesn't help you, because if you object to that portion of the agreement, the company will not negotiate with you: They'll tell you to fuck off. So, if you want a cell phone, you are waiving your class action rights with respect to that phone. Same with many/most other consumer products, certainly those that involve recurring service-- internet and the like. For many people, going without cell phones and internet and such is not really an option. It's disingenuous to say that it's an agreement that was 'agreed to,' rather, it's a condition that was imposed on you by a corporation.

Of course it's also true that consumers shouldn't simply be free to disregard those parts of a contract that they dislike. That's not how it worked prior to this decision. In order to have a court disregard a portion of a contract, the consumer had to prove that the contract was "unconscionable," because it was against public policy or the like, which is a very difficult bar to clear.
An outright ban is not the answer, but how could they still be an option (based solely on this article)? Would they force each member through arbitration before allowing them to be considered part of a class-action suit? The companies know that fewer people will participate in arbitration than a lawsuit. Who wants to go in 1:1 with the company and another individual when you could be part of a mob of people that will not have to even show up in a court?
This is not an outright ban on all class actions. It's a decision that allows corporations to unilaterally ban class actions amongst consumers of their products. Thus, it's a de facto ban on almost all consumer class actions-- which is only a subset, albeit a large one, of class actions generally.

To the cases toward which this applies, it's a total ban. The consumers must go through arbitration; they have no other recourse. After arbitration is over, they still cannot be part of a class action suit, or an individual suit, or any further legal action whatsoever.

People don't go through individualized arbitration because it's simply not economically feasible to do so: You have to waste a lot of time, and probably a lot of money hiring a lawyer, to contest what is generally a small amount of money. Nobody is going to spend $1000 and an entire day contesting the extra $100 that's been slapped onto their cell phone bill over the course of a year.
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The part you are missing is that if they add charges, you generally can cancel your contract with no recourse by the company. If they do something you don't like, leave.
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This also sets major precedent for enforcement of contract clauses that were previously unenforcible due to adhesion. The Human Cent-iPad is coming!
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:The part you are missing is that if they add charges, you generally can cancel your contract with no recourse by the company. If they do something you don't like, leave.
Absolutely, but once one does X they'll all follow suit very shortly. The first penguin off the iceberg might get a few bites taken out but they'll all jump in pretty quick to squeeze that extra $20 out of their subscribers since they can get away with it.
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Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:The part you are missing is that if they add charges, you generally can cancel your contract with no recourse by the company. If they do something you don't like, leave.
When they are all doing it there's not really any place to go. In some places you have no choice. If you're lucky you'll have 2-3 to choose from but again that wont help you much.
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PSN has recently added the same thing to their license agreement.
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Unfortunately corporations cannot take away your right to litigate. They can buy the supreme court and pretty much any other American legal institution off, but the fundamental right still exists. You can't take away people's rights in terms of use clauses, even if people consent to it.

The no lawsuit clause exists so corporations can pay off a judge and file a motion to desist based on it and have it granted. Then it costs the litigator a fuckload of money to appeal it.
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