Bioshock 2

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 10, 2010, 12:50 pm

Looking up the game this morning and it's getting really good scores on MetaCritic. (88 for the 360, 89 for the PS3 and 91 for the PC currently).

The PC version has all my requirements for that platform so if I do end up getting the game it'll be there.

Those requirements?
- Multiplayer I'm not particularly interested in partaking in/My friends won't be playing
- Games for Windows Live-enabled. (Achievements, the 360 infrastructure so I'm not completely offline from my friends. If a MP opportunity comes along I can be notified)
- If the game is bought over Steam(which it well might be), then all the Steam goodies come into play as well.

The upside is that I don't need to take the TV away from my family for PC/GFWL games and the 360 can be used as the Media Center extender (which is it most used role anyways).

Thanks EA giving me what I want for PC gaming.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 10, 2010, 1:03 pm

Yeah I'm gonna pick this up when I get paid for shizzle. I will be looking to get a game on the PC to show off how kick ass my new PC is (assuming I ever actually get it), but I'm not sure if this will be it or not.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » February 10, 2010, 1:05 pm

360 version may be coming in the mail today. I'm going to play through Dante's Inferno first, since it's said to be 8-10 hours in length. All I've heard of Bioshock 2 is that it's shorter than the first and that it's getting nice reviews. I was on the fence about ordering, but I'm glad I did. I don't care about the online component at all, but here's hoping the single player is at least as good as the first.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 10, 2010, 1:12 pm

I don't think you'll be disappointed. The most criticism I've really seen from it is that it doesn't make any drastic changes from the first game, which really isn't a down side imo.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 10, 2010, 1:14 pm

It seems to be a mixed bag on the story. From the snipets at metacritic, some preferred Bioshock 1's story, some people are prefering this game's story.

Question of personal taste I suspect.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 10, 2010, 4:59 pm

Looks like they fucked up the PC version o the game when it comes to aspect ratios.

http://kotaku.com/5468777/bioshock-2-pc ... -off-again

And if you read the comments, they don't have 360 controller support for the PC version of the game.

Thx but no thx 2k marin.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » February 10, 2010, 5:44 pm

My games didn't come in the mail today

Oh well. Tomorrow for sure. In the meantime, I have Mass Effect 1 that I can get a little further in.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 10, 2010, 5:47 pm

Animalor wrote:Looks like they fucked up the PC version o the game when it comes to aspect ratios.

http://kotaku.com/5468777/bioshock-2-pc ... -off-again

I played the first on PC and to be honest, I never noticed anything strange about the aspect ratio of field of view.
It's funny, some of the inconsequential things people get thier knickers in a twist about.

And if you read the comments, they don't have 360 controller support for the PC version of the game.

Who the fuck would use a gamepad for a FPS on a PC?
The comment fails to mention that the PC version gets it's own unique UI/HUD that takes full advantage of the PCs keyboard/mouse control scheme.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 10, 2010, 5:56 pm

miir wrote:
Animalor wrote:Looks like they fucked up the PC version o the game when it comes to aspect ratios.

http://kotaku.com/5468777/bioshock-2-pc ... -off-again
I played the first on PC and to be honest, I never noticed anything strange about the aspect ratio of field of view.
It's funny, some of the inconsequential things people get thier knickers in a twist about.

And if you read the comments, they don't have 360 controller support for the PC version of the game.
Who the fuck would use a gamepad for a FPS?
The comment fails to mention that the PC version gets it's own unique UI/HUD that takes full advantage of the PCs keyboard/mouse control scheme.

Probably me, tbh. I don't have the archaic belief that a mouse is superior for FPS games. I'm also used to using a controller so I'd probably do better with it.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 10, 2010, 6:22 pm

If it's SP, I enjoy sitting back in my chair with the corded 360 controller I bought recently and playing my games that way.

I've gotten used to that and enjoy it quite a bit.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 10, 2010, 11:19 pm

Seriously, bitching about a PC FPS not having gamepad support would be as retarded as bitching that a console FPS doesn't support mouse and keyboard.

If you want to use a gamepad, buy a console version.
If you want to use mouse/keyboard, buy the PC version

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 11, 2010, 2:41 am

miir wrote:Seriously, bitching about a PC FPS not having gamepad support would be as retarded as bitching that a console FPS doesn't support mouse and keyboard.

If you want to use a gamepad, buy a console version.
If you want to use mouse/keyboard, buy the PC version

You must have missed the very solid reason he had that preference.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2010, 10:06 am

Funkmasterr wrote:You must have missed the very solid reason he had that preference.

Yea so I guess he's gonna have to get the console version.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 11, 2010, 10:54 am

Funkmasterr wrote:I don't have the archaic belief that a mouse is superior for FPS games.

Keep telling yourself it's an "archaic belief"...

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2010, 11:33 am

Aslanna wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:I don't have the archaic belief that a mouse is superior for FPS games.
Keep telling yourself it's an "archaic belief"...

No doubt a gamepad can be used to effectively play a FPS but it can never have the level of precision of a +2K DPI mouse.

It's not opinion that mouse/keyboard is a far more precise interface, it's fact.
There is a reason every single console FPS has aim-assist.
When I used to play Shadowrun, I would always be in the top 3... and often first by a HUGE margin. And that was in spite of FASA gimping the PC version with a higher spread radius, higher recoil and more pronounced weapon sway. And to be honest, I'm nowhere near that good at shooters. When I play against other players using a keyboard and mouse, I'm usually middle of the pack.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 11, 2010, 11:52 am

miir wrote:
Aslanna wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:I don't have the archaic belief that a mouse is superior for FPS games.
Keep telling yourself it's an "archaic belief"...
No doubt a gamepad can be used to effectively play a FPS but it can never have the level of precision of a +2K DPI mouse.

It's not opinion that mouse/keyboard is a far more precise interface, it's fact.
There is a reason every single console FPS has aim-assist.
When I used to play Shadowrun, I would always be in the top 3... and often first by a HUGE margin. And that was in spite of FASA gimping the PC version with a higher spread radius, higher recoil and more pronounced weapon sway. And to be honest, I'm nowhere near that good at shooters. When I play against other players using a keyboard and mouse, I'm usually middle of the pack.

To be perfectly honest, I doubt either of you is in much of a position to talk about shooters. I on the other hand have played a shit ton of FPS games on all consoles and the PC over the years. If you really want me to prove your theory wrong, I gladly invite you to pick a FPS that people still play (hint: not Shadowrun), give me a couple hours to get used to it again, and I'll be ready to show you just how much better your 2k dpi mouse makes you.

I don't care if the console versions have aim assist built in, to be honest. Fact of the matter is that with that mechanic, I have just as easy a time aiming precisely as I have in any of the many shooters I've played on the pc.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2010, 12:37 pm

I don't care if the console versions have aim assist built in, to be honest. Fact of the matter is that with that mechanic, I have just as easy a time aiming precisely as I have in any of the many shooters I've played on the pc.

That's exactly my point.
You need aim-assist to even come close to the precision of a keyboard/mouse.
Feel free to look up any number of tests that have console FPSers facing off against PC FPSers and you'd see that that gamepad toting console players get trounced every time.

Try playing a shooter like the PC version of MW2 online with a gamepad and without the usual console assists.
I guarantee you will change your opinion after a few matches.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 11, 2010, 1:09 pm

Im sorry I even brought up my PERSONAL PREFERENCE...

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 11, 2010, 1:26 pm

Animalor wrote:Im sorry I even brought up my PERSONAL PREFERENCE up...

Yeah, dick!

It's ok, it seems like miir has to pass off his opinion on anything related to video games as obvious fact, backed up by hard numbers and tests which he's never actually posted.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » February 11, 2010, 2:02 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:It's ok, it seems like miir has to pass off his opinion on anything related to video games as obvious fact, backed up by hard numbers and tests which he's never actually posted.

In case you were unaware you're doing the exact same thing.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 11, 2010, 2:04 pm

Aslanna wrote:
Funkmasterr wrote:It's ok, it seems like miir has to pass off his opinion on anything related to video games as obvious fact, backed up by hard numbers and tests which he's never actually posted.
In case you were unaware you're doing the exact same thing.

Actually, I'm offering to give him a sound ass whooping in his game of choice as a field test both him and I can see with our own eyes, so no, I'm not.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2010, 2:19 pm

You fancy yourself as a pro at video games... I have a much lower opinion of my skills.

Go ahead and practice up playing TF2 or MW2 with a gamepad on the PC then post a fraps video showing your ownage. Make sure to record the options screen showing that you're using a gamepad.

Post those then I'll gladly post some videos of my mediocre skills at those same games.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » February 11, 2010, 2:23 pm

I use a gamepad for console games and a keyboard/mouse for the games I play on PC. Of course, I only play RTS, FPS, and the occassional MMORPG on my PC.

I prefer a gamepad overall. More specifically, I perfer the Xbox 360 gamepad.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2010, 2:27 pm

RTS and MMO are genres that are totally not gamepad friendly.
I have a wireless xbox controller for my PC and I love it eventhough it's fucking horrible for fighting games.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » February 11, 2010, 2:30 pm

miir wrote:RTS and MMO are genres that are totally not gamepad friendly.
I have a wireless xbox controller for my PC and I love it eventhough it's fucking horrible for fighting games.

Final Fantasy 11 would be a huge exception to that statement. See, I can be argumentative all the time too.

miir · Post by **miir** » February 11, 2010, 2:39 pm

Communication in FFXI was always cumbersome, even on the PC.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » February 11, 2010, 2:45 pm

I could beat most people on this board in FPS games using an Atari 2600 joystick with my feet.

...but 2K+dpi mice are very nice (even the wireless G7 2K dpi mouse which I have used for years)

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » February 11, 2010, 8:56 pm

I prefer the PS3 controller.

TAKE THAT WINNOW!!!

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I forgot about this title. I have The original on 360 that I have yet to play. Think I will dust it off when I get around to completing DA:O. Of course, I have a fucking pile of games that I have not even opened yet (re: Fallout 3, Ass Creed 2).

PS:

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » February 14, 2010, 12:45 pm

I played the first 15-20 minutes the other day and it is exactley like Bioshock 1. There is literally no difference at all. I just played and beat the original about 6-8 months ago, so it's a little too much too soon I'm afraid. I'll keep playing in hopes that it becomes it's own game further down the road. I've heard some of the scenerios are pretty unique and fun, so I'll be looking forward to anything different than the original.

Syenye · Post by **Syenye** » February 15, 2010, 2:34 pm

I finished this last night. The game play and enemies are very similar to the first game. The weapons aren't bad, but they got rid of the electric buck, my ammo of choice from the first game. I thought the plasmids were a little more useful than in the first game.

The game was super buggy. Towards the end, quests weren't triggering properly. One of the radio transmissions got stuck so new transmissions weren't coming in, and I couldn't play the diaries. Also, if you save while the super dramatic music is playing, it will keep playing until the end of the level.

The ending felt a little slapped on to me, like they played through it, and someone said, "Oh, shit, this game is too short, let's add on an hour of gameplay."

All in all, I was not blown away. I would have liked to see more updates and better gameplay in something that took them 2 years to make. I'm not really sure what they spent all that time doing (multiplayer, I'm assuming, but I have no interest in that) since the enemies, levels, weapons, plasmids, etc are all pretty much the same as the first game.

I played the 360 version.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » July 22, 2010, 12:34 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:To be perfectly honest, I doubt either of you is in much of a position to talk about shooters. I on the other hand have played a shit ton of FPS games on all consoles and the PC over the years. If you really want me to prove your theory wrong, I gladly invite you to pick a FPS that people still play (hint: not Shadowrun), give me a couple hours to get used to it again, and I'll be ready to show you just how much better your 2k dpi mouse makes you.

I don't care if the console versions have aim assist built in, to be honest. Fact of the matter is that with that mechanic, I have just as easy a time aiming precisely as I have in any of the many shooters I've played on the pc.

http://www.rahulsood.com/2010/07/consol ... st-pc.html

There was a project that got killed at Microsoft. This project was designed to allow console gamers and PC gamers to interact and battle over a connected environment. Personally I wish it would have stayed the course. I've heard from reliable sources that during the development they brought together the best console gamers to play mediocre PC gamers at the same game... and guess what happened? They pitted console gamers with their "console" controller, against PC gamers with their keyboard and mouse.

The console players got destroyed every time. So much so that it would be embarrassing to the XBOX team in general had Microsoft launched this initiative.

Those of us who have been in the gaming business for over a decade know the real deal. You simply don't get the same level of detail or control as you do with a PC over a console.

Not to beat a dead horse since I don't think it will change your mind any.. But I don't think you know the "real deal", yo!

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » July 22, 2010, 1:13 pm

Oh...so someone "heard that". I have played various games with PC and mouse on the PC and sucked so bad at them that I went and bought the Xbox wired controller so I could actually play. I am sure most people can aim more effectively with a mouse, but there are a lot of little things that work better and fast with a pad than the keyboard and mouse combo. I don't care what you use for your controls, if you are running the same resolutions and levels of detail on a PC that you do on the console, there is not going to be much of a difference unless you are a sit and camp with a sniper rifle kind of shit-tard.

If they wanted to actually level the playing field all they ever had to do was limit the resolutions and quality of the graphics on the PC versions.

miir · Post by **miir** » July 22, 2010, 2:56 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Oh...so someone "heard that". I have played various games with PC and mouse on the PC and sucked so bad at them that I went and bought the Xbox wired controller so I could actually play. I am sure most people can aim more effectively with a mouse, but there are a lot of little things that work better and fast with a pad than the keyboard and mouse combo. I don't care what you use for your controls, if you are running the same resolutions and levels of detail on a PC that you do on the console, there is not going to be much of a difference unless you are a sit and camp with a sniper rifle kind of shit-tard.

If they wanted to actually level the playing field all they ever had to do was limit the resolutions and quality of the graphics on the PC versions.

That's total bullshit.

Shadowrun was the FPS that I'm aware of that allowed console and PC gamers to play together.
I'm a mediocre FPS player against other pepople playing on a PC but in Shadowrun, I was always in the top 3.
I was one of the very few PC players based on the reactions to getting the PC/XBox achievement.
The PC version had no aim assist, no snap-to zoom, a much wider weapon spray and much greater recoil. Despite those handicaps, I had no trouble dominating nearly every match.

I still have yet to see a video of a FPS gamepad user dominating anything.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » July 22, 2010, 3:24 pm

I will buy CoD4 for the PC and use my 360 controller and video me pounding you and then we will have it. That will have me not using auto aim or any of the other crap that the Xbox has to compensate and theoretically will make it tougher on me other than having the option to use the same graphics and resolution you would have.

miir · Post by **miir** » July 22, 2010, 3:59 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:I will buy CoD4 for the PC and use my 360 controller and video me pounding you and then we will have it. That will have me not using auto aim or any of the other crap that the Xbox has to compensate and theoretically will make it tougher on me other than having the option to use the same graphics and resolution you would have.

Go ahead and make that video and post it on youtube.
I'd love to see it.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » July 22, 2010, 4:24 pm

After playing fps games with controllers for years, I feel like a retard going back to mouse and keyboard. It took me days to get used to it again. L4D2 is much better on PC, but I'd rather play CoD games with a controller. Batman AA is much better with a controller. RTS games are better with keyboard/mouse. Bioshock is also better with a controller IMO.

I used to be 100% keyboard/mouse > controller but now I'm really not nearly as certian as I used to be.

Post by **Sylvus** » July 22, 2010, 5:05 pm

It seems like some people might be confusing what input devices they prefer to use with what works best. It's not necessarily a level playing field. Much like a boxer might dominate all other boxers in the ring yet get his ass kicked in the octagon by a fairly mediocre MMA fighter, people are making the argument that a controller is outmatched by keyboard and mouse.

I agree wholeheartedly that it's more fun to play console games sitting on my couch on a 50" tv, and that I am pretty good with a controller on, say, CoD:MW2 (well, I was... haven't played in a few months) and have seen some pretty amazing people. That said, the best person with a controller is still bringing a knife to a gunfight when playing in the PC realm. I don't know how anyone can dispute that. If there were a level playing field between PC and console, don't you think that would be a pretty easy cash cow for Microsoft to milk? Why wouldn't they have done that already?

Post by **Sylvus** » July 22, 2010, 5:05 pm

It seems like some people might be confusing what input devices they prefer to use with what works best. It's not necessarily a level playing field. Much like a boxer might dominate all other boxers in the ring yet get his ass kicked in the octagon by a fairly mediocre MMA fighter, people are making the argument that a controller is outmatched by keyboard and mouse.

I agree wholeheartedly that it's more fun to play console games sitting on my couch on a 50" tv, and that I am pretty good with a controller on, say, CoD:MW2 (well, I was... haven't played in a few months) and have seen some pretty amazing people. That said, the best person with a controller is still bringing a knife to a gunfight when playing in the PC realm. I don't know how anyone can dispute that. If there were a level playing field between PC and console, don't you think that would be a pretty easy cash cow for Microsoft to milk? Why wouldn't they have done that already?

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » July 22, 2010, 5:40 pm

you sure do like to double post a lot since you got married...

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » July 22, 2010, 6:30 pm

again...I say the one big reason is resolution...because you can crank that shit up on a PC and then your aiming becomes a metric shit ton easier for the average person

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » November 22, 2010, 8:45 pm

This is the Deal of the Week on GamesforWindows.com - 10$
http://www.gamesforwindows.com/en-US/Games/BioShock-2/

I started playing it today and it's better than I expected.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » November 22, 2010, 9:18 pm

It's funny you bumped this because I started playing this game last week. I bought it at release but was a little overwhelmed with other games. At the time, I played about 15 minutes and thought "just more Bioshock" which is technically correct, but also significantly selling the game short. Last week I put in about 2-3 hours straight and I think it is an absolutely worthy sequel so far.

Minerva's Den had gotten such great reviews that I grabbed the DLC when it was on sale last month. It's a side story, completely independent from the main game and it takes around 5-6 hours to complete. At first it wasn't coming to PC, but last I heard they changed their minds and it will be along eventually.

It's a solid game and if people see it on sale they should grab it if they liked the first one.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » February 9, 2011, 3:34 pm

Finally got around to finishing the game. Absolutely fantastic. Loved it as much as the first.