Thanks right-wingers for protecting the sanctity of marriage

[Xatrei]

Hot on the heels of Nevada John Senator Ensign's infidelity revelations, Governor Mark "we don't need no steeenking stimulus" Sanford admits that he skipped out on his family over Father's Day weekend to hang out in Buenos Aires with his Argentinian mistress.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31522908/ns ... _politics/

Bonus points are awarded for working lots of references to his faith and God's Law into his confession / presser.

[Funkmasterr]

Hot on the heels of Nevada John Senator Ensign's infidelity revelations, Governor Mark "we don't need no steeenking stimulus" Sanford admits that he skipped out on his family over Father's Day weekend to hang out in Buenos Aires with his Argentinian mistress.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31522908/ns ... _politics/

Bonus points are awarded for working lots of references to his faith and God's Law into his confession / presser.

OMG a politician said something hypocritical/lied and committed adultry, only a Republican would do that!! Humanitarian, Gay marriage supporting Democrats would never commit such atrocities!

[Xatrei]

Shock of shocks, the point flew right over your head. Yes, Democrats have the same kinds of indiscretions all the time. There is ample evidence that infidelity is no stranger to either side of the aisle (John Edwards anyone?). That's not the issue here. The difference that you have missed is that the Democrats aren't furiously scheming to present themselves as champions of morality, "family values" or as the great defenders of "the sanctity of marriage" for political gain.

Incidentally, Sanford screamed loudly that Clinton should resign the presidency over the Lewinsky affair in 1999.

[Funkmasterr]

Shock of shocks, the point flew right over your head. Yes, Democrats have the same kinds of indiscretions all the time. There is ample evidence that infidelity is no stranger to either side of the aisle (John Edwards anyone?). That's not the issue here. The difference that simpletons like you frequently miss is that the Democrats aren't furiously scheming to present themselves as champions of morality, "family values" and a the great defenders of "the sanctity of marriage" for political gain.

Incidentally, Sanford screamed loudly that Clinton should resign the presidency over the Lewinsky affair in 1999.

I'm not missing the point, the point is invalid.

This kind of hypocrisy goes on on both sides of the fence, the Republicans are just making it easier for you to point it out.

Edit: Also, I hope you don't really think the President of the United States cheating on his wife and then lying about it on the stand is the same thing as Sanford cheating on his wife and admitting it before anything like that could happen.

[Spang]

I'm not missing the point, the point is invalid.

This kind of hypocrisy goes on on both sides of the fence, the Republicans are just making it easier for you to point it out.

The difference that you have missed is that the Democrats aren't furiously scheming to present themselves as champions of morality, "family values" or as the great defenders of "the sanctity of marriage" for political gain.

[Funkmasterr]

I'm not missing the point, the point is invalid.

This kind of hypocrisy goes on on both sides of the fence, the Republicans are just making it easier for you to point it out.

The difference that you have missed is that the Democrats aren't furiously scheming to present themselves as champions of morality, "family values" or as the great defenders of "the sanctity of marriage" for political gain.

Dude you are truly a retard. THAT DOESN'T MEAN A GODDAMN THING TO ANYTHING BESIDES YOU FUCKING RETARDS EGOS. Lying about the shit/being a hypocrite is lying about shit or being a hypocrite, the reason you are doing that doesn't fucking matter SO HIS FUCKING POINT IS STILL NOT FUCKING VALID, THE END.

[Spang]

Dude you are truly a retard. THAT DOESN'T MEAN A GODDAMN THING TO ANYTHING BESIDES YOU FUCKING RETARDS EGOS. Lying about the shit/being a hypocrite is lying about shit or being a hypocrite, the reason you are doing that doesn't fucking matter SO HIS FUCKING POINT IS STILL NOT FUCKING VALID, THE END.

Did you just spit on your monitor?

[Funkmasterr]

Dude you are truly a retard. THAT DOESN'T MEAN A GODDAMN THING TO ANYTHING BESIDES YOU FUCKING RETARDS EGOS. Lying about the shit/being a hypocrite is lying about shit or being a hypocrite, the reason you are doing that doesn't fucking matter SO HIS FUCKING POINT IS STILL NOT FUCKING VALID, THE END.

Did you just spit on your monitor?

Yep.

[Spang]

Yep.

I thought so.

[Sueven]

I don't really care about all the family values / hypocrisy crap, with one exception:

Any politician who claims that gay marriage should not be legalized because "marriage is a foundation of our society" or it threatens the "sanctity of marriage" or because we need to "protect traditional marriage," and is then found to have committed adultery, should be forcibly divorced and barred from ever remarrying again ever.

Sanford and Ensign, in my dream world, y'all can keep your jobs but you're now permanent bachelors. Fuck you.

[Aabidano]

It's OK if you cry when you apologize.

[Spang]

Fair and balanced...

[Animalor]

Fair and balanced...

LOL. Of course Fox labeled him a democrat. Isn't Rupert Murdoch the one who decides who is in what party?

[Xatrei]

Fair and balanced...

That has happened at least a couple of times before. At some point people are going to stop believing it's an accident


Funk - if you can't see a difference between the two situations, you're a... well, you're about as big of an idiot as I've thought for a long time, I guess. Thanks for being consistent at least.

[Spang]

[Xyun]

[Funkmasterr]

Fair and balanced...

That has happened at least a couple of times before. At some point people are going to stop believing it's an accident


Funk - if you can't see a difference between the two situations, you're a... well, you're about as big of an idiot as I've thought for a long time, I guess. Thanks for being consistent at least.

Go ahead and tell yourself that buddy, you're just trying to justify your extreme ideals with bullshit, bottom line. Just because it's more important to YOU doesn't mean that makes it the same thing.

[Sylvus]

Are you sure the point is invalid and you just aren't missing it, Funk?

No one is disputing that cheating on one's spouse is one of the few bi-partisan interests left in the world. Republicans do it, democrats do it; pretty much any man who thinks he can get away with it does it. It's probably more the rule than the exception. A man is as faithful as his options...

The reason people in this thread are taking issue with it is that it is in direct opposition to the Republican platform.

Do you agree that it is more often Republicans who espouse (no pun intended) "family values" and "the sanctity of marriage"?
Do you agree that an oft-heard reason - coming from republicans - for opposition to gay marriage is that it might hurt the institution of marriage?
Do you agree that adultery definitely hurts the institution of marriage?

If you answered yes to those three questions (and if you didn't, you're just trying to be a contrarian asshole), I don't see how you couldn't see how someone supporting that platform and committing adultery is undermining his own arguments. Yes, both Sanford and John Edwards are liars and assholes for being adulterers, no one is disputing that. However, in addition to being a liar and an asshole, Sanford is a hypocrite, which makes him even worse than just being a liar and asshole.

Replace "family values" and "sanctity of marriage" with "PS3 superiority" and "numbers sold from time of release", "Mark Sanford" with "miir", and "adultery" with "has an xbox 360 in every room of his house and a gamerscore of 25000". Can you imagine the field day you'd have with that after he'd been proselytizing the virtues of Sony for the last several years?

[miir]

Replace "family values" and "sanctity of marriage" with "PS3 superiority" and "numbers sold from time of release", "Mark Sanford" with "miir", and "adultery" with "has an xbox 360 in every room of his house and a gamerscore of 25000". Can you imagine the field day you'd have with that after he'd been proselytizing the virtues of Sony for the last several years?

[Funkmasterr]

Are you sure the point is invalid and you just aren't missing it, Funk?

No one is disputing that cheating on one's spouse is one of the few bi-partisan interests left in the world. Republicans do it, democrats do it; pretty much any man who thinks he can get away with it does it. It's probably more the rule than the exception. A man is as faithful as his options...

The reason people in this thread are taking issue with it is that it is in direct opposition to the Republican platform.

Do you agree that it is more often Republicans who espouse (no pun intended) "family values" and "the sanctity of marriage"?
Do you agree that an oft-heard reason - coming from republicans - for opposition to gay marriage is that it might hurt the institution of marriage?
Do you agree that adultery definitely hurts the institution of marriage?

If you answered yes to those three questions (and if you didn't, you're just trying to be a contrarian asshole), I don't see how you couldn't see how someone supporting that platform and committing adultery is undermining his own arguments. Yes, both Sanford and John Edwards are liars and assholes for being adulterers, no one is disputing that. However, in addition to being a liar and an asshole, Sanford is a hypocrite, which makes him even worse than just being a liar and asshole.

Replace "family values" and "sanctity of marriage" with "PS3 superiority" and "numbers sold from time of release", "Mark Sanford" with "miir", and "adultery" with "has an xbox 360 in every room of his house and a gamerscore of 25000". Can you imagine the field day you'd have with that after he'd been proselytizing the virtues of Sony for the last several years?

Still not missing the point, I think at this point it's you guys doing that.

He is a Republican. He backs their "platform" because of this, who knows how much of their platform he truly agrees with or gives a shit about, whether he says he does or not.

There are plenty of people on both sides of the fence that are all three of the things you mentioned (hypocrites, liars and assholes), however this particular subject is just a hot topic right now and Xatrei thinks it's important obviously (nothing wrong with that), PLUS it's an opportunity to reiterate how DUMB REPUBLICANS ARE LOLZ so it's this particular occurrence that he is choosing to point out.

THE REAL POINT is that pointing out the obvious (politicians are hypocritical lying shitheads) is fucking annoying, unnecessary and retarded. We all know xatrei is far left and doesn't like Republicans, enough if efuckingnough already.

[Sabek]

I would imagine the response from the Republican side would be that adultery is hurting the sanctity of marriage, but everyone is susceptible to mistakes and temptation. The other side being that they feel Gay Marriage is just plain wrong from the start, and why start down a road to what they feel is wrong knowing the only possible outcome is wrong.

I don't think anyone goes into a marriage intended to do wrong and be an adulterer. No one goes in thinking "Sweet I am totally getting married. Now who can I sleep with that isn't my wife to ruin the sanctity of marriage." They started down a path that can, and in many cases does, have a positive ending.

The flip-side comes where someone who believes that same sex marriage is inherently wrong would feel starting down that path can only to what in their mind is a bad outcome.

I would guess the difference would amount to intent.

It doesn't make the adulterer who preaches family values a great guy and any less of a douchebag than the guy who is an adulterer and doesn't preach family values. I am just trying to throw out what the opposite feeling may be.

[Xatrei]

We all know xatrei is far left and doesn't like Republicans, enough if efuckingnough already.

If it makes you feel better, I don't really like Democrats either. I'm forced by our system to choose between the two, though, so I generally vote Democratic and donate to them because they're ever so slightly closer to my ideals than the Republicans. Dems & Republicans are a lot closer to each other than either party or most of their supporters would like to admit. Both are way to the right of where I'm at.

When it comes to the specific situation in this thread, however, both sides of the aisle are douchebags, but the Dems have the advantage for not constantly positioning their party as the champions morality and family values while getting up to all kinds of scandalous behavior behind the curtain.

[Funkmasterr]

We all know xatrei is far left and doesn't like Republicans, enough if efuckingnough already.

If it makes you feel better, I don't really like Democrats either. I'm forced by our system to choose between the two, though, so I generally vote Democratic and donate to them because they're ever so slightly closer to my ideals than the Republicans. Dems & Republicans are a lot closer to each other than either party or most of their supporters would like to admit. Both are way to the right of where I'm at.

When it comes to the specific situation in this thread, however, both sides of the aisle are douchebags, but the Dems have the advantage for not constantly positioning their party as the champions morality and family values while getting up to all kinds of scandalous behavior behind the curtain.

Thank you, fuck. That's all I wanted you to concede.

There is no difference between the two parties anymore.

[Xatrei]

I agreed that both parties are equally guilty of moral indiscretions 20 posts ago. I don't think that's a point we ever disagreed on. I just said that there's an added layer of extra hypocrisy for the Republicans when they end up in situations like these because they're the ones that fancy themselves the moral police of the world.

I think you just wanted to argue over some dumb shit for the sake of arguing.

[miir]

I think you just wanted to argue over some dumb shit for the sake of arguing.

Durrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....

[Funkmasterr]

Me argumentative? NAAAAAAAH

[Spang]

He is a Republican. He backs their "platform" because of this, who knows how much of their platform he truly agrees with or gives a shit about, whether he says he does or not.

He agrees with it.

[Psyloche]

Shouldn't the main focus be on the fact that he left his post and didn't tell anyone? He's the governor of a state and left the country without going through the proper motions in case anything happened to him? Granted, he did it because he was fucking trying to be sneaky and not get caught being a slimbag, that admittedly most politicians of whichever side of the spectrum are, but isn't it like dereliction of duty or some shit? Shouldn't that be where the outrage is pointing at? I didn't read all of the story, so I could be missing out why this isn't the focus... I should google that now...

[Spang]

Drew Carey has a new term for having sex: "Hiking the Appalachian Trail"

[Psyloche]

Drew Carey has a new term for having sex: "Hiking the Appalachian Trail"

I clipped my nails yesterday.

[Xyun]

This is tabloid theatre and annoying. The guy had an affair. So what? It's really nobody's business but him and his wife. Sure he's a hypocrite, but that was already given since he's a Republican. I think I would be legitimately outraged if he was fucking a man in Argentina, since Republican stance on gay rights translates into actual policy. But alas, this is just another sideshow at the circus that has no bearing on our future, unless, God forbid, you live in South Carolina.

[Forthe]

Main Entry:hy·poc·ri·sy
Pronunciation:\hi-ˈpä-krə-sē also hī-\
Function:noun
Inflected Form(s):plural hy·poc·ri·sies
Etymology:Middle English ypocrisie, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrisis, from Greek hypokrisis act of playing a part on the stage, hypocrisy, from hypokrinesthai to answer, act on the stage, from hypo- + krinein to decide — more at certain
Date:13th century
1: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not ; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
2: an act or instance of hypocrisy

I wouldn't be surprised if most people, other than social conservatives, gave a fsck about the affairs but both Ensign and Sanford have previously acted as moral police and publicly called out others. Such hypocrisy deserves some scorn.

[Leonaerd]

isn't it like dereliction of duty or some shit? Shouldn't that be where the outrage is pointing at?

[Aabidano]

...unless, God forbid, you live in South Carolina.

You live an equally backwards, slack jawed, bubba infested area.

Loved Charleston SC, lived there for ~6 years

[Xyun]

...unless, God forbid, you live in South Carolina.

You live an equally backwards, slack jawed, bubba infested area.

Loved Charleston SC, lived there for ~6 years

The closest I ever came to South Carolina was when I lived in Atlanta for 2 years and even from that far away I felt the urge to fuck a farm animal. Thankfully, there were none around, and I got out of that hell hole quicklike.

[Aardor]

“I think it would be much better for the country and for him personally (to resign). I come from the business side. If you had a chairman or president in the business world facing these allegations, he’d be gone.”

“The issue of lying is probably the biggest harm, if you will, to the system of Democratic government, representatives government, because it undermines trust. And if you undermine trust in our system, you undermine everything.”

"The bottom line, though, is he still lied. He lied under a different oath, and that is the oath to his wife. So it’s got to be taken very, very seriously.”

“As Jenny and I are the parents of four little boys, we’ve always taught our kids that marriage was something between a man and a woman.”

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Mark Sanford, Governor of the Great State of South Carolina, do hereby proclaim October 15 – 21, 2006, as CELEBRATE MARRIAGE WEEK and October 19, 2006, as CELEBRATE YOUR SPOUSE DAY throughout the state and encourage all South Carolinians to recognize the happiness marriage can bring when taken seriously and entered into wisely.

You ask any guy, particularly one in office, you’ve been screwing around on your wife– maybe there’s one percent or maybe there’s two percent or maybe there’s five percent. But 95 percent of the time, whoever it is, is gonna say no. And so, I think the public said no matter what Clinton did, whether he did or he didn’t do whatever it was that happened with Monica Lewinsky, is that guy gonna stand up and admit it. They said no, he’s not.

He should probably follow his own advice.