NFL DRAFT

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » April 25, 2008, 5:58 pm

I don't really have anything to say about it other than it is this weekend and I want to talk Football.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 25, 2008, 6:07 pm

Brett Favre is going to be on the cover of Madden 08 so it looks like he'll come back to curse a team that takes a one year shot on him.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » April 25, 2008, 6:18 pm

Winnow wrote:Brett Favre is going to be on the cover of Madden 08 so it looks like he'll come back to curse a team that takes a one year shot on him.

FAIL!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 25, 2008, 6:33 pm

Madden 09. I forgot the get ahead of themselves by one year. (as if the curses player would actually make it to the Superbowl so the year would be correct!)

Spang · Post by **Spang** » April 25, 2008, 7:36 pm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blo ... ealed.html

Fash · Post by **Fash** » April 25, 2008, 7:43 pm

He looks frightened...

Wulfran · Post by **Wulfran** » April 26, 2008, 11:58 am

idunno... I thought some of the excitement vanished when "sources" in Miami said "Jake Long is our pick and we've agreed in principle to a deal" at least a week prior. Nothing against Long, and I realize the teams try to start negotiations prior to the actual draft, so as to test the waters with the players they are looking at but it kinda takes a little of the mystery out of it. Last year it must have sucked to be Brady Quinn but it made for an interesting story in that he was forecast as a top 5 (if not top 3) and fell almost out of the first rd. Guess we'll just have to see who it happens to this year.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 26, 2008, 12:22 pm

I don't really care about the top pick and Miami. There will be someone stuck in the green room to make fun of this year. There will be some trades which mix things up etc.

The NFL draft is great because it introduces you to a lot of players you would otherwise have no clue about who are actually going to play and have an impact this year unlike 90% of the players in the NBA draft.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » April 26, 2008, 9:26 pm

Winnow wrote:I don't really care about the top pick and Miami. There will be someone stuck in the green room to make fun of this year. There will be some trades which mix things up etc.

The NFL draft is great because it introduces you to a lot of players you would otherwise have no clue about who are actually going to play and have an impact this year unlike 90% of the players in the NBA draft.

I feel like your complaint about the nba draft applies to the nfl draft also.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » April 27, 2008, 12:52 am

Winnow wrote:I don't really care about the top pick and Miami. There will be someone stuck in the green room to make fun of this year.

Due to Brady Quinn, they will limit the amount of players to six from now on.

Next year it will be all Buckeyes!

Tombfyre · Post by **Tombfyre** » April 27, 2008, 2:40 am

I feel like your complaint about the nba draft applies to the nfl draft also.

I don't understand? The nba draft has maybe 3-4 players that get to see playtime their first year. The rest are lucky if the coach puts them out during garbage time. The nfl has 3rd and 4th rounders that start in many cases.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » April 27, 2008, 12:01 pm

Eagles trade their first round pick (#19) for Carolina's 2nd and 4th rounders, and their 1st rounder next year. We then traded the 12th pick in the 2nd round for the 16th pick in the 2nd round plus a 4th rounder. We then used our two 2nd round picks to draft some DT from Notre Dame and DeSean Jackson from California.

I don't really get the DT pick, given the fact that we spent two recent first round picks on DT's (Mike Patterson and Brodrick Bunkley), and both of those guys look like they can play. But we've also lost some interior linemen in recent years, and it's good to have guys to rotate through DT to stay fresh. The Eagles have consistently had problems stopping the run, so hopefully this will help. My impression is that this guy is more of a run-plugger than anything, which is probably good. Penetrating defensive tackles don't grow on trees, and I'd be skeptical of one that came midway through the second round.

At first I wasn't very excited by DeSean Jackson. Limas Sweed and Malcolm Kelly were both still on the board, and I thought we'd be well served by getting a big receiver this year. Our top two receivers are Reggie Brown (6'1, 197) and Kevin Curtis (6'0, 186). I thought a big guy would be useful on top of those two. On the other hand, neither Brown or Curtis are known as real burners. Jackson is immediately the fastest guy on our roster, and maybe his speed can spread the field and open up space for our receivers (and L.J. Smith) to operate. Plus, Jackson is a hell of a punt and kick returner (hopefully much more useful than Jeremy Bloom, the last guy we wasted a pick on to try and fill that role). We haven't had any explosiveness in our special teams since Westbrook stopped returning kicks, and by last year, our return game had turned into a liability. We lost our opener to the Packers last year solely because our punt returners dropped TWO punts. All we had to do was catch the ball to win the game. So hopefully having a guy who can not only catch punts but do something with them once he catches them will be a plus.

If our offensive line and McNabb can stay healthy next year, the offense could be better. Brown and Curtis are both solid receivers (if we throw away that disaster of a first half of the season Brown had last year). Westbrook and Jackson are both fast, shifty home run threats, and having both of them on the field can prevent defenses from keying on one of them. L.J. Smith was pretty decent in a down year last year, and I'm hoping for an upcoming bounceback season.

I'm excited for football!

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » April 27, 2008, 12:35 pm

Mendenhall AND Sweed? Are you shitting me? Who is running the draft this year for the other teams? and update.....we just got the second coming of Jason Taylor in Bruce Davis.

If they can keep Roethlisberger upright this year long enough to get rid of the ball, it will be fun to see a 4 receiver set with Santonio, Ward, Sweed, and Heath Miller.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 27, 2008, 3:55 pm

Solid draft by the Cardinals.

1st Rnd: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tenn

They passed on the RB Mendenhall to grab CB which they needed much more. He'll shore up our secondary since Antrel Rolle couldn't cut it and has moved to safety.

2nd Rnd: Calais Campbell, DE, Miami

Reinforcing a good defense

3rd Rnd: Early Doucet, WR, LSU

Our third receiver B. Johnson left via free agency so Doucet should fill that role nicely

4th Rnd: Kenny Iwebema, DE, Iowa

Yet another DE to strengthen the defense. One of our coaches had inside info on him.

5th Rnd: Tomothy Hightower, RB, Richmond

Edge sucks. This guy is a hard nosed runner, had almost 2,000 yards rushing last year, good hands. Will be a great replacement for Edge while Arrington remains the home run speed thread at RB until next year's draft.

Based on this draft, I'm giving the Cardinals a winning season at 9-7, up from 8-8 last year!

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 27, 2008, 4:56 pm

Sylvus wrote: Hopefully Mike Hart will be better soon, it's rough playing with the nation's leading rusher (going into this week) sidelined with an ankle injury.

Has Mike Hart been drafted yet? I've checked through round six with no Mike Hart showing up.

I did see an Arizona State Sundevil RB with all sorts of issues:

Torain was slowed by ankle, knee and foot injuries last year. To make matters worse, he isn't very elusive and he runs high, so he takes big hits. On the flip side, he's a no-nonsense, north-south runner who excels at getting yards after contact.

despite that less than glowing review and sitting out half the season last year, Ryan Torain went with the 4th pick of the 5th round.

Some Appalachian State safety went in the 6th.

Arizona just took a third DE in the draft with the 185th pick. Jeeze.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » April 27, 2008, 5:24 pm

Some Appalachian State safety went in the 6th.

And Dexter Jackson went in the 2nd

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 27, 2008, 5:45 pm

Colts took Mike Hart with the 202nd pick. At least we know he won't be traded for his entire career.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » April 28, 2008, 1:12 pm

Tombfyre wrote:
I feel like your complaint about the nba draft applies to the nfl draft also.
I don't understand? The nba draft has maybe 3-4 players that get to see playtime their first year. The rest are lucky if the coach puts them out during garbage time. The nfl has 3rd and 4th rounders that start in many cases.

You don't understand because you don't follow basketball? Before you perceive that as an attack, read this whole post.

First of all, Winnow was talking about impact, not playtime (though playtime is related to impact). Also, starting in the NBA vs the NFL are two very different things. So here is a list of rookies from this years regular season, which both recieved significant playtime, and had a big impact:

1. Kevin Durant 34 mpg 20.3 ppg 4.4 rpg 2.4 apg
2. Al Horford 31 mpg 10.1 ppg 9.7 rpg 1.5 apg
3. Luis Scola 24 mpg 10.3 ppg 6.4 rpg 1.3 apg
4. Thaddeus Young 21 mpg 8.2 ppg 4.2 rpg .8 apg
5. Carl Landry 16 mpg 8.1 ppg 4.9 rpg .5 apg
6. Jamario Moon 27 mpg 8.5 ppg 6.2 rpg 1.2 apg
7. Joakim Noah 20 mpg 6.6 ppg 5.6 rpg 1.2 apg
8. Al Thorton 27 mpg 12.7 ppg 4.5 rpg 1.2 apg
9. Juan Carlos Navarro 25 mpg 10.9 ppg 2.6 rpg 2.2 apg
10. Rodney Stuckey 18 mpg 7.6 ppg 2.3 rpg 2.8 apg

and the list continues, look here: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/rookies/rankings. Of just those 10, 5 are on playoff teams, and received significant play time during the normal season, and thus far the playoffs.

It seems like you don't understand because you have no knowledge of the NBA draft, or the actual NBA season. What were you basing your statements off of?

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » April 28, 2008, 2:06 pm

Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Mendenhall AND Sweed? Are you shitting me? Who is running the draft this year for the other teams? and update.....we just got the second coming of Jason Taylor in Bruce Davis.

If they can keep Roethlisberger upright this year long enough to get rid of the ball, it will be fun to see a 4 receiver set with Santonio, Ward, Sweed, and Heath Miller.

First off, Roethlisberger won't be upright because you guys failed to get the one thing you really needed; offensive lineman.

Second off, gogo wild card because the Browns are taking this division!

I already have my ticket for opening day when Dallas comes to town, but I had to skip out on the Steelers coming to town in week two since I will probably be dead from alcohol poisoning following the OSU/USC game the day before.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » April 28, 2008, 2:13 pm

Fucking hell, McFadden went to the Raiders. Good for the kid--he will get some serious cash being as he went #4. I just hate to see my favorite college player go to my most hated pro team. =P

Good on Dallas grabbing up Felix Jones. Fucking hate the cowboys, but that was a smart pick. The kid will be fantastic as a returner and/or counterpoint to their running game.

Broncos took Ryan Clady with their #12. Solid Left Tackle, and Lepsis retired. He should be a good fit in the zone-blocking scheme. However, rarrely do offensive lineman make an immediate impact. He will get limited snaps this year, barring injury to starters.

Jonathon Stewart (RB, U-Oregon) - I believe he went to Carolina. Even though they really need a QB, this kid is a tank and should so well immediately. I think he was the only true NFL-ready back available. Turf-toe may be his downfall. Barring that, he will be a solid runner.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » April 28, 2008, 2:19 pm

Oakland is a natural fit for McFadden with his crip brother and blood brother coming to town with him.

Deward · Post by **Deward** » April 28, 2008, 3:41 pm

Green Bay had another crappy draft year. I agree that they needed a backup QB since Rogers will likely get hurt in the first game but they had so many other needs so they go and pick up TWO of them. On top of that they take an unknown WR in 2nd round. They had serious OL problems most fo the year and their CBs are getting old as fuck. Not to mention no one at safety. I predict a new error for the Pack, too bad it will be like the Majik era. Packers GM should be banned from draft day decisions.

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » April 28, 2008, 4:31 pm

Zamtuk wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Mendenhall AND Sweed? Are you shitting me? Who is running the draft this year for the other teams? and update.....we just got the second coming of Jason Taylor in Bruce Davis.

If they can keep Roethlisberger upright this year long enough to get rid of the ball, it will be fun to see a 4 receiver set with Santonio, Ward, Sweed, and Heath Miller.
First off, Roethlisberger won't be upright because you guys failed to get the one thing you really needed; offensive lineman.

Second off, gogo wild card because the Browns are taking this division!

I already have my ticket for opening day when Dallas comes to town, but I had to skip out on the Steelers coming to town in week two since I will probably be dead from alcohol poisoning following the OSU/USC game the day before.

Just because you turds broke the bank it doesn;t mean you should get all uppity and think you are about to compete with the big boys. The Browns and Bungles should be renamed to Brood X and Brood XIV.....your asses only show up once every 17 years and then you chirp incessantly and annoy everyone....then disappear back to whatever underground depths from which you came, leaving everyone to go about their business in peace.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » April 28, 2008, 6:50 pm

Winnow wrote:Solid draft by the Cardinals.

One big concern: Your top two picks are guys who have a lot of potential but haven't, you know, done a whole lot of producing on an actual football field.

Dominique-Rodgers Cromartie is tall and ran a hell of a 40 at the combine, I think 4.29. But he played at Tennessee State and never faced consistent top college-quality competition, let alone NFL-quality competition. He's also not very strong and a weak tackler. He's a boom-or-bust sort of guy, if he adjusts to the competition and shores up his weak points, he'll be an elite player. But if he doesn't, he'll go the route of Fabian Washington, the man who was drafted in the first round of the 2005 draft by the Raiders after clocking a 4.29 40. He was just traded to the Ravens for a 4th round pick after a nondescript tenure in Oakland.

I guess another plus for Cromartie is that his brother, Antonio, was another guy who an NFL team took a chance on, with San Diego drafting him in the first round after he'd missed an entire year due to injury. He turned out all right, maybe it'll run in the family.

Calais Campbell is another boom-or-bust guy. He's HUGE for a defensive end-- 6'8, 290. He could develop into a tough DE who can be a run-stopper and use his height to shut down passing lanes. He's also pretty slow and his height means that he doesn't have much leverage to use his strength against opposing tackles. And, most importantly, he pretty much played like shit last year, with his production drastically down from the year before.

So they've both got talent, and if they both pan out, this'll be a hell of a draft for the Cardinals. I think there's a decent chance that one of these guys turns into an above-average NFL starter, but it seems more likely that both of them bust than having both of them hit. Also, they're both players who will need to make some substantial adjustments in order to play in the NFL, so I don't think either of them will be hugely useful this year, unless Cromartie makes some noise returning kicks.

Edit: Another thought. Does Arizona run a 3-4, or are they switching to a 3-4 soon? I could see Campbell as a better fit there, as a bigger guy with run-stopping ability who wouldn't be required to get to the passer as often.

Post by **Sylvus** » April 30, 2008, 1:36 pm

All you suckers need to bow down to the Lions' draft. If you guys knew more about football (or anything at all, for that matter!), you'd see that we're just setting everything up to win Superbowl XLV-L.

I'm just kidding, I wish Matt Millen would die in a threshing accident.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » April 30, 2008, 1:53 pm

Millen is going to most likely meet his demise in a fastfood deep-fryer 'accident' in Flint. Mark my words!

The Lions will still suck afterwards, though.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » April 30, 2008, 7:55 pm

all michigan sports will suck this fall.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » April 30, 2008, 8:24 pm

Zamtuk wrote:all michigan sports will suck this fall.

Especially the OSU! That's close enough to be in Michigan, eh?

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » May 1, 2008, 11:37 am

We will find out September 13th!

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » May 1, 2008, 1:14 pm

I think half the people in guild live in Ohigho. I am going to watch the games this year to watch for the next Troy Smith!

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 7, 2008, 8:21 pm

Zamtuk wrote:
Kilmoll the Sexy wrote:Mendenhall AND Sweed? Are you shitting me? Who is running the draft this year for the other teams? and update.....we just got the second coming of Jason Taylor in Bruce Davis.

If they can keep Roethlisberger upright this year long enough to get rid of the ball, it will be fun to see a 4 receiver set with Santonio, Ward, Sweed, and Heath Miller.
First off, Roethlisberger won't be upright because you guys failed to get the one thing you really needed; offensive lineman.

Second off, gogo wild card because the Browns are taking this division!

I already have my ticket for opening day when Dallas comes to town, but I had to skip out on the Steelers coming to town in week two since I will probably be dead from alcohol poisoning following the OSU/USC game the day before.

Figured we should revisit this prediction early on to keep it fresh in the mind. That was quite the epic ass beating you took to open things up....my prediction is Romeo is done this year. What an absolute moron. What useless coach kicks a field goal down 21 with 6 minutes left to play? They should fire him right now and get it over with.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 7, 2008, 9:51 pm

Eagles look good!

I predict that the Browns will not win more than 7 games.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 8, 2008, 2:41 am

Arizona stands alone in first place in the NFC West!

Seattle
St Louis
San Fran

All lost.

Looks like Boldin's going to play hard. Hope he stays healthy. He's not getting traded or a new contract till the end of the season.

Cardinal Offense was in possession of the football for all but seven minutes in the second half. Sweet.

A missed field goal and failing to score TDs in the red zone (they were the best in the league at that last year) their first two trips is a concern.

Aardor · Post by **Aardor** » September 8, 2008, 2:46 am

Winnow wrote: Looks like Boldin's going to play hard. Hope he stays healthy. He's not getting traded or a new contract till the end of the season.

Yeah, it's a shame Arizona gave Larry Fitzgerald such a stupid rookie contract. Boldin does look like he's going to play, but Arizona is going to have the exact same problem with a bunch of guys on defense next offseason. Wow, the NFC West sucks.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 8, 2008, 5:26 pm

As it was put to me....Braylon Edwards dropped more balls than a crack whore near the end of her shift!

WTF!

Trek · Post by **Trek** » September 8, 2008, 8:32 pm

Come on Winnow, you really cant beat your chest over that game against the 49ers. Sure they have as good a shot as anyone else to win that division, but I highly doubt that division will win much against any .500+ teams outside of that division.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » September 8, 2008, 8:45 pm

Trek wrote:Come on Winnow, you really cant beat your chest over that game against the 49ers. Sure they have as good a shot as anyone else to win that division, but I highly doubt that division will win much against any .500+ teams outside of that division.

Arizona beat Pittsburgh last year! And SF swept AZ the past two years so a win over them is a big step in the right direction.

The Cardinals were 8-8 and a missed field goal at Washington away from the playoffs last year. They have a good shot for a winning record and the playoffs this year.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » September 9, 2008, 12:00 am

I dunno, they beat a QB thats been on 7 teams in 7 years, not sure that that is an accomplishment. Tho it may count as one in your area!

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 9, 2008, 8:58 am

The Cards being in 1st is kind of like winning a gold at the Special Olympics.