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By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent 2 hours, 57 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Defending his credibility, President Bush said Tuesday that Iran is dangerous and must be squeezed by international pressure despite a blockbuster intelligence finding that Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program four years ago.

Bush said the new conclusion — contradicting earlier U.S. assessments — would not prompt him to take off the table the possibility of pre-emptive military action against Iran. Nor will the United States change its policy of trying to isolate Iran diplomatically and punish it with sanctions, he said.

"Look, Iran was dangerous, Iran is dangerous and Iran will be dangerous if they have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," the president told a White House news conference a day after the release of a new national intelligence estimate representing the consensus of all U.S. spy agencies.

On Capitol Hill, congressional Democrats said they hoped the report would have a cooling effect on the administration's rhetoric, which they said was hyped and counterproductive. At a campaign debate in Iowa, seven Democratic presidential candidates stood in agreement that the United States should shift its focus with Iran to diplomatic engagement.

"They should have stopped the saber rattling, should never have started it," said Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said Bush "should seize this opportunity." But she also said it was clear that pressure on Iran has had an effect — a point disputed by rival Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.

While U.S. intelligence about Iran has changed, Bush showed no inclination to switch course. Iran continues to produce enriched uranium that could be transferred to a secret weapons program, he said.

"So, I view this report as a warning signal that they had the program, they halted the program. And the reason why it's a warning signal is that they could restart it," the president said.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, enroute to Ethiopia for talks with African leaders, said it would be a "big mistake" to ease diplomatic pressure on Tehran.

"I continue to see Iran as a dangerous power in international politics," Rice said. "At this moment, it doesn't appear to have an active weaponization program. That frankly is good news. But if it causes people to say, 'Oh well then we don't need to worry about what the Iranians are doing,' I think we will have made a big mistake."

Rice said she would brief Russian officials and others on the issue this week, including during NATO meeting in Brussels.

Bush rattled some allies by warning recently that a nuclear-armed Iran could lead to World War III. Until Monday's report, the administration was unwavering in its conviction that Iran was seeking nuclear weapons. Bush said he did not know about the new findings until he was briefed last week — a point challenged by some.

"The president knew, even as he was saying 'World War III' and all that kind of stuff," said Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., chairman of the Senate intelligence committee. "He knew. He knew, he had been briefed."

Bush drew support from European allies who said the international community should not walk away from years of talks with an often defiant Tehran that is openly enriching uranium for uncertain ends. The report said Iran could still build a nuclear bomb by 2010-15.

"We must maintain pressure on Iran," said French Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Pascale Andreani.

The U.S. acknowledgment about faulty intelligence about Iran recalled the erroneous U.S. conclusion that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction, a belief that was a factor in Bush's decision to invade Iraq.

"President Bush has lost all credibility with the American people," said Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean. "We were misled on Iraq, now it's Iran. We need to get to the truth so our foreign policy is not only tough but smart."

But Bush told the news conference he was not troubled about his standing, about perhaps facing a credibility gap with the American people. "No, I'm feeling pretty spirited — pretty good about life," Bush said.

"Nothing has changed in this NIE that says, `Okay, why don't we just stop worrying about it.' Quite the contrary. I think the NIE makes it clear that Iran needs to be taken seriously as a threat to peace," Bush said. "My opinion hasn't changed."

The president opened the session by challenging Congress, in the three weeks before Christmas, to approve money without conditions for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, extend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, pass overdue spending bills and pass a temporary fix to the alternative minimum tax so millions of taxpayers don't get hit with tax increases.

"Based on the record so far," he said, "Americans could be forgiven for thinking that Santa will have slipped down their chimney on Christmas eve before Congress finishes its work."

On other issues, Bush:

_Expressed anger about a rape victim in Saudi Arabia who was sentenced to prison and 200 lashes for being alone with a man not related to her — a violation of the kingdom's strict segregation of the sexes. "My first thoughts were these: What happens if this happens to my daughter? How would I react? And I would have been — I'd of been very emotional, of course. I'd have been angry at those who committed the crime. And I'd be angry at a state that didn't support the victim."

_Said that "the Venezuelan people rejected one-man rule" when they rejected a constitutional provision that would have enabled Hugo Chavez to remain in power for life and drive changes throughout Venezuelan society. "They voted for democracy."

_Said he talked by telephone Tuesday with Russian President Vladimir Putin and briefed him on the new Iran intelligence estimate. Bush also said he told Putin that "we were sincere in our expressions of concern" about irregularities in the voting that produced a sweeping parliamentary victory for Putin's party.

_Said he has "cordial relations" with Democratic leaders of Congress despite the sharp words between the White House and Capitol Hill. He blamed Democrats for the lack of compromises, saying, "In order for us to be able to reach accord, they got to come with one voice, one position."
I really don't understand how the administration is spinning this as anything but good news. Somehow, the fact that Iran stopped working directly on nuclear arms 4 years ago (under pressure for the IAEA) is BAD?!? A "warning sign?"
How about it... they were late to the game due to the focus on Iraq, and now want to continue the status quo even though their motivation for doing so is now proven to be invalid. I just don't get it - how about we support the only successful group doing this stuff (IAEA) and actually listen to their conclusions before wasting our time rattling sabres? Oh wait, we just want to continue the highly successful strategies that brought us Iraq!

Maybe they'll wake up and realize that without evidence, wanting something to be true doesn't mean it actually is - and be very careful when listening to people overseas who want to sell you information that you want to hear.

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The bad thing is that we just found out that they stopped working on it four years ago! Seriously, I think that the gaps in intelligence show all too clearly when it comes to Iran in this situation. I just hope that this can be fixed in the future to prevent "poor" intel from showing something like the WMD's in Iraq.
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Bush: Iran still a danger despite report

By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent 2 hours, 57 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Defending his credibility, President Bush said Tuesday that Iran is dangerous and must be squeezed by international pressure despite a blockbuster intelligence finding that Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program four years ago.

Bush said the new conclusion — contradicting earlier U.S. assessments — would not prompt him to take off the table the possibility of pre-emptive military action against Iran. Nor will the United States change its policy of trying to isolate Iran diplomatically and punish it with sanctions, he said.

"Look, Iran was dangerous, Iran is dangerous and Iran will be dangerous if they have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," the president told a White House news conference a day after the release of a new national intelligence estimate representing the consensus of all U.S. spy agencies.

On Capitol Hill, congressional Democrats said they hoped the report would have a cooling effect on the administration's rhetoric, which they said was hyped and counterproductive. At a campaign debate in Iowa, seven Democratic presidential candidates stood in agreement that the United States should shift its focus with Iran to diplomatic engagement.

"They should have stopped the saber rattling, should never have started it," said Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said Bush "should seize this opportunity." But she also said it was clear that pressure on Iran has had an effect — a point disputed by rival Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.

While U.S. intelligence about Iran has changed, Bush showed no inclination to switch course. Iran continues to produce enriched uranium that could be transferred to a secret weapons program, he said.

"So, I view this report as a warning signal that they had the program, they halted the program. And the reason why it's a warning signal is that they could restart it," the president said.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, enroute to Ethiopia for talks with African leaders, said it would be a "big mistake" to ease diplomatic pressure on Tehran.

"I continue to see Iran as a dangerous power in international politics," Rice said. "At this moment, it doesn't appear to have an active weaponization program. That frankly is good news. But if it causes people to say, 'Oh well then we don't need to worry about what the Iranians are doing,' I think we will have made a big mistake."

Rice said she would brief Russian officials and others on the issue this week, including during NATO meeting in Brussels.

Bush rattled some allies by warning recently that a nuclear-armed Iran could lead to World War III. Until Monday's report, the administration was unwavering in its conviction that Iran was seeking nuclear weapons. Bush said he did not know about the new findings until he was briefed last week — a point challenged by some.

"The president knew, even as he was saying 'World War III' and all that kind of stuff," said Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., chairman of the Senate intelligence committee. "He knew. He knew, he had been briefed."

Bush drew support from European allies who said the international community should not walk away from years of talks with an often defiant Tehran that is openly enriching uranium for uncertain ends. The report said Iran could still build a nuclear bomb by 2010-15.

"We must maintain pressure on Iran," said French Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Pascale Andreani.

The U.S. acknowledgment about faulty intelligence about Iran recalled the erroneous U.S. conclusion that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction, a belief that was a factor in Bush's decision to invade Iraq.

"President Bush has lost all credibility with the American people," said Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean. "We were misled on Iraq, now it's Iran. We need to get to the truth so our foreign policy is not only tough but smart."

But Bush told the news conference he was not troubled about his standing, about perhaps facing a credibility gap with the American people. "No, I'm feeling pretty spirited — pretty good about life," Bush said.

"Nothing has changed in this NIE that says, `Okay, why don't we just stop worrying about it.' Quite the contrary. I think the NIE makes it clear that Iran needs to be taken seriously as a threat to peace," Bush said. "My opinion hasn't changed."

The president opened the session by challenging Congress, in the three weeks before Christmas, to approve money without conditions for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, extend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, pass overdue spending bills and pass a temporary fix to the alternative minimum tax so millions of taxpayers don't get hit with tax increases.

"Based on the record so far," he said, "Americans could be forgiven for thinking that Santa will have slipped down their chimney on Christmas eve before Congress finishes its work."

On other issues, Bush:

_Expressed anger about a rape victim in Saudi Arabia who was sentenced to prison and 200 lashes for being alone with a man not related to her — a violation of the kingdom's strict segregation of the sexes. "My first thoughts were these: What happens if this happens to my daughter? How would I react? And I would have been — I'd of been very emotional, of course. I'd have been angry at those who committed the crime. And I'd be angry at a state that didn't support the victim."

_Said that "the Venezuelan people rejected one-man rule" when they rejected a constitutional provision that would have enabled Hugo Chavez to remain in power for life and drive changes throughout Venezuelan society. "They voted for democracy."

_Said he talked by telephone Tuesday with Russian President Vladimir Putin and briefed him on the new Iran intelligence estimate. Bush also said he told Putin that "we were sincere in our expressions of concern" about irregularities in the voting that produced a sweeping parliamentary victory for Putin's party.

_Said he has "cordial relations" with Democratic leaders of Congress despite the sharp words between the White House and Capitol Hill. He blamed Democrats for the lack of compromises, saying, "In order for us to be able to reach accord, they got to come with one voice, one position."
I really don't understand how the administration is spinning this as anything but good news. Somehow, the fact that Iran stopped working directly on nuclear arms 4 years ago (under pressure for the IAEA) is BAD?!? A "warning sign?"
How about it... they were late to the game due to the focus on Iraq, and now want to continue the status quo even though their motivation for doing so is now proven to be invalid. I just don't get it - how about we support the only successful group doing this stuff (IAEA) and actually listen to their conclusions before wasting our time rattling sabres? Oh wait, we just want to continue the highly successful strategies that brought us Iraq!

Maybe they'll wake up and realize that without evidence, wanting something to be true doesn't mean it actually is - and be very careful when listening to people overseas who want to sell you information that you want to hear.

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They stopped working directly on them 4 years ago, great. What Bush said in his statement, and what I am going to say now is - until countries like Iran who do not like us, and have had our attention and our naval fleets at the ready well before 9/11 or Iraq DESTROY and no longer even possess the knowledge or documentation to even do so, I'm not going to be satisfied. Having the technology exist in such an unstable region, where it could fall into the hands of a nutjob that would be more than happy to invest the money and launch the weapons is unacceptable, period. Opinion really doesn't play into this one, if you disagree you are ignorant and turning a blind eye to the wrong damn thing.
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The thing is, making a weapon of this type is fairly simple (at least one like the Manhattan Project produced). In the 1950's, the CIA contacted two post-doctoral people (one a physicist the other an engineer) who had no previous knowledge of nuclear technology. They said "make up experiments that would lead you to design a nuclear weapon... submit your experiments to us and we'll feed you results."
Within a year they had produced, on paper, a working prototype for a low grade device that would have worked, using declassified information and their technical background. If two guys from the midwest can do it, so can anybody else given enough time/energy. Knowledge cannot be destroyed, the cat is out of the nuclear bag so to speak. Now that doesn't mean we should stop people from producing the material necessary to produce one of these, that's the IAEA's proliferation folks sole purpose. But, saying that we should make sure they don't have the knowledge is, quite frankly, horribly naive. The knowledge is out there, it isn't all that difficult to do if you have the material (and even easier if you're willing to spend the cash like Pakistan and India were when dealing with N. Korea).
In short, knowledge does not die... it cannot be destroyed. The only question is using the international community to say "do not make these" and back it up with diplomatic means to enforce (IAEA inspections, etc. etc.). Sabre rattling on this really gets us nowhere, especially with countries like Iran. In fact, I'd say that threat of military attack is what causes them to develop these weapons in the first place... MAD and all that.

This aside, this is another example of why the invasion of Iraq on shoddy evidence of WMD (I know that wasn't the only reason, but it was the one we sold to the international community) has destroyed our credibility. Even before this came out, the IAEA said that we were incorrect in our thinking about Iran vis a vis nukes. With this being proven correct, we have painted ourselves into a corner where Bush has to eat crow. It appears he's refusing to do so (big surprise Mr. "No Mistakes") and further destroying our international cache.

That being said, hopefully this is a wakeup call to this administration, and they can begin to understand where they have gone wrong in the past and try to rectify their mistakes before they leave office. We'll see if they use this as an opportunity for self-correction, or merely another chance to try and shove their ideology down the world's throats.

I know which side I think they'll take... unfortunately.
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I agree, from my basic understanding of how nuclear reactions work it really would not be hard to create a weapon with even a somewhat small amount of radioactive material. Uranium 238 is very common and while it is not usable as fuel for a weapon in itself, it is not that difficult to produce plutonium from it and plutonium is VERY usable as fuel for a weapon. Hell, we have tons and tons of the shit buried in the desert in the Midwest, and 12 kgs of it in close proximity will cause it to reach critical mass. Scary shit, but nothing they could not achieve very easily. Same can be said about just about any country in the world. Long range nuclear weapons take a lot more to produce, but if we are scared of "terrorist attacks" from it there is very little we can do to stop it. A few suicide bombers with a piece of plutonium could pretty much just bring it somewhere and slam the shit together to produce a quite sizable explosion.
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if you disagree you are ignorant and turning a blind eye to the wrong damn thing.
Oh ok since you assert that I guess we should all believe you instead of forming our own reasoned opinions.

You live in cloud fucking cuckoo land if what you think is in any way a realistic method of policing the world, if that is indeed the USA's open goal at this point.
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Asheran Mojomaster wrote:I agree, from my basic understanding of how nuclear reactions work it really would not be hard to create a weapon with even a somewhat small amount of radioactive material. Uranium 238 is very common and while it is not usable as fuel for a weapon in itself, it is not that difficult to produce plutonium from it and plutonium is VERY usable as fuel for a weapon. Hell, we have tons and tons of the shit buried in the desert in the Midwest, and 12 kgs of it in close proximity will cause it to reach critical mass. Scary shit, but nothing they could not achieve very easily. Same can be said about just about any country in the world. Long range nuclear weapons take a lot more to produce, but if we are scared of "terrorist attacks" from it there is very little we can do to stop it. A few suicide bombers with a piece of plutonium could pretty much just bring it somewhere and slam the shit together to produce a quite sizable explosion.
Plutonium isn't hard to make if you have a breeder reactor...

And critical mass > meltdown not explosion...you have to precisely implode a core to cause it to explode...but meltdown would be nasty...wrapping plutonium around a core of High Explosive is a much better way to go if you have the plutonium handy....
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Nick wrote:
if you disagree you are ignorant and turning a blind eye to the wrong damn thing.
Oh ok since you assert that I guess we should all believe you instead of forming our own reasoned opinions.

You live in cloud fucking cuckoo land if what you think is in any way a realistic method of policing the world, if that is indeed the USA's open goal at this point.
Nearly everyone in the world wants us to come running to help them when shit happens in their countries, so it's pretty simple. If you want our help (or ever have in the past) and we say something reasonable like get rid of your nuclear weapon technology, you better fucking do it. You make it sound like the U.S. is running around controlling the day to day lives of everyone in the world.
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So if they don't want your help are they allowed nuclear weapons?
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Nick wrote:So if they don't want your help are they allowed nuclear weapons?
That's not what I'm implying and you know that, quit being difficult.
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What you are implying is that everyone just does as the USA says and we will all be happy and the world will be all fine and dandy. Which is retarded.

There was a fantastic little piece in todays guardian which I'll quote:
It is obvious what should happen. This report, along with evidence from US commanders in Iraq that Iran is limiting the flow of weapons and explosives to Shia militias, should pave the way for direct bilateral negotiations between Washington and Tehran about ending the state of belligerency between them. Washington should take its cue from the success it achieved by reversing its policy on North Korea. A return to a policy of engagement with Pyongyang has got results. But this also requires the Iranian leadership to engage. Pragmatists in the US and Iran can see the potential rewards on offer. The question is whether the fundamentalists in either camp will let them
Let's all guess whether Funk is a pragmatist or fundamentalist.
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Nick wrote:What you are implying is that everyone just does as the USA says and we will all be happy and the world will be all fine and dandy. Which is retarded.

There was a fantastic little piece in todays guardian which I'll quote:
It is obvious what should happen. This report, along with evidence from US commanders in Iraq that Iran is limiting the flow of weapons and explosives to Shia militias, should pave the way for direct bilateral negotiations between Washington and Tehran about ending the state of belligerency between them. Washington should take its cue from the success it achieved by reversing its policy on North Korea. A return to a policy of engagement with Pyongyang has got results. But this also requires the Iranian leadership to engage. Pragmatists in the US and Iran can see the potential rewards on offer. The question is whether the fundamentalists in either camp will let them
Let's all guess whether Funk is a pragmatist or fundamentalist.

Korea shut down everything they were doing that we did not like, and we took them off our shit list (basically.) I have no problem with a similar situation occurring in Iran. You are just too ignorant to understand that, or have made up your mind about me and don't really pay attention to what I say, just pick out the points you want to attack and write a generic response, as usual.
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That's pretty hypocritical coming from you. Anyway, this is a waste of time. You rarely have a clue what you're talking about. I have better things to be doing :)
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Funk wrote:Nearly everyone in the world wants us to come running to help them when shit happens in their countries, so it's pretty simple. If you want our help (or ever have in the past) and we say something reasonable like get rid of your nuclear weapon technology, you better fucking do it. You make it sound like the U.S. is running around controlling the day to day lives of everyone in the world.
Uhh, when has IRAN ever come running to us for help? They want us to fuck off, not help them. What moral authority can we wield over them? If we were telling Kuwait not to develop nuclear weapons, then yeah, maybe we'd have some legitimate credibility.
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Funk wrote:Nearly everyone in the world wants us to come running to help them when shit happens in their countries, so it's pretty simple. If you want our help (or ever have in the past) and we say something reasonable like get rid of your nuclear weapon technology, you better fucking do it. You make it sound like the U.S. is running around controlling the day to day lives of everyone in the world.
Uhh, when has IRAN ever come running to us for help? They want us to fuck off, not help them. What moral authority can we wield over them? If we were telling Kuwait not to develop nuclear weapons, then yeah, maybe we'd have some legitimate credibility.
I was making a general statement. It's tough shit that Iran wants us to fuck off, most countries have decided we are supposed to take care of every little injustice in the world (and then badger us for not doing it the way they think we should, but that's beside the point), and Iran having (again, when I say having I mean even possessing the knowledge) any kind of nuclear technology is a threat to not only the US, but everyone. I think it's pretty simple.

And nick, just because you are too blindly liberal to understand or even acknowledge the polar opposite of your extreme views on everything doesn't mean that those people don't have a clue what they are talking about.
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Funkmasterr wrote:I was making a general statement.
Why? What possible relevance does a general statement that doesn't apply to Iran apply to a thread about Iran? You really don't even think before you post anymore do you?
It's tough shit that Iran wants us to fuck off
Stop this idiotic fundamentalist rhetoric if you want any of your loud mouthed opinions to be taken seriously. You sound about 12 years old.
most countries have decided we are supposed to take care of every little injustice in the world
Umm...no. This is so fucking retarded it's almost embarrassing to make the effort to find it disgusting. I'll make the effort though, since I'm a nice guy.
(and then badger us for not doing it the way they think we should, but that's beside the point)


Oh you mean Iraq? You must have quite a short memory, considering the largest protests that have ever happened on Earth actually happened before the lie-driven occupation of Iraq.

Also.. no.
and Iran having (again, when I say having I mean even possessing the knowledge) any kind of nuclear technology is a threat to not only the US, but everyone. I think it's pretty simple.
yeah man, Iran is totally going to just blow everyone up when it has nuclear weapons, thats a completely realistic opinion to have :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You act as if the US is the only country that gives aid to other countries, you goldfish bowl thinking motherfuck.
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Animale wrote:I really don't understand how the administration is spinning this as anything but good news. Somehow, the fact that Iran stopped working directly on nuclear arms 4 years ago (under pressure for the IAEA) is BAD?!? A "warning sign?"
In 2003, when we were "winning" in Iraq, Iran was willing to not only suspend, but dismantle and disable their enrichment program. Instead, the administration, and in particular, cheney and his minions, decided that they wanted not only that, but the total abject surrender of Iran. cheney phrased it "you don't negotiate with evil." In 2001+ when we were beating the shit out of Afghanistan, when our administration privately asked Iran for assistance, Iran stepped up to the bar and did it - while we were publically condemning them. So Iran believed that this was just like during the reagan administration where our government was publically condemning Iran and doing secret business with the Iranians. You remember Iran-Contra. And even if you choose to forget it, I don't and neither do the Iranians. So when this administration chose to appoint significant numbers of the old Iran-Contra people, then Iran could only reasonably presume that we were playing that old game again: public noise & private business.
Funkmasterr wrote:Nearly everyone in the world wants us to come running to help them when shit happens in their countries, so it's pretty simple. If you want our help (or ever have in the past) and we say something reasonable like get rid of your nuclear weapon technology, you better fucking do it. You make it sound like the U.S. is running around controlling the day to day lives of everyone in the world.
The US overthrew their lawfully elected government in the 50s to install the Shah. Then, when the Iranians ditched the bastard, we acted like they overthrew the US government, and have since cockblocked them at every chance. No, Iran has less than zero interest in the US "running to help them" again.

The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty says that member-countries have a right to non-military uses of nuclear power (neither Israel, Pakistan nor India have signed the NPT, and NK has withdrawn from the NPT). Iran currently claims that they are doing exactly that - pursuing peaceful nuclear technology in accordance with NPT. Since the bush administration has chosen to lie at every chance they can get, I'm inclined to believe everyone/anyone else first. If bush said the sky was blue, I would go outside and look up, first.

disclosure: I used to live in Iran when the Shah was in power.
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So, if the slap-fest is finally over, does anyone have any idea why the NIE was able to do a total about-face on their stance regarding status of nuclear programs in Iran in about 4 months?
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The big problem with being the ONLY super power is well, its hard to not build an empire. And ya know, thats all that's really happenin here. they just need to make excuses to "buy time" while they get the wars started and land invaded.
Hell ww2 started because the poles shot up a radio station, I mean c'mon! The excuses dont mean shit, its the end result that matters.

What would be so bad about a Pax America anyways. Rome wasnt all bad.
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Boogahz wrote:So, if the slap-fest is finally over, does anyone have any idea why the NIE was able to do a total about-face on their stance regarding status of nuclear programs in Iran in about 4 months?
The previous NIE on Iran was "released" in spring 2005. I suspect that the classified version of the current NIE was available (for the past 4+ months) to the hawks in the administration who've been demanding to attack Iran at all costs. And that those very same hawks were misrepresenting what the current NIE contained and were caught lieing when a portion was declassified.
Time wrote:And explode is what the hawks in and outside the Administration are about to do. They were counting on Bush being the one President prepared to take on Iran. As recently as last month, Bush warned of World War III if Iran so much as thought about building a bomb. Bush's betrayal is not going to go down well. The neocons, clinging to a sliver of hope, will accuse the intelligence community of incompetence, pointing out that as late as 2005 it estimated "with high confidence" that Iran was building a bomb.

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Neither explanation is entirely accurate. The real story behind this NIE is that the Bush Administration has finally concluded Iran is a bridge too far.
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I suspect that bush's "about turn" on Iran was that he finally read the damned thing instead of listening to his "advisors" telling him what they claim it says.
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I'm not questioning Bush's interpretation, I am questioning how the Intelligence Agencies could be SO piss-poor that they figure this out four years after it happened. That is why I linked it to the WMD's in Iraq. Bad Intel leads to bad things.
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