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John Edwards says if he's elected president, he'll institute a New Deal-like suite of programs to fight poverty and stem growing wealth disparity. To do it, he said, he'll ask many Americans to make sacrifices, like paying higher taxes.

Edwards, a former Democratic senator from North Carolina, says the federal government should underwrite universal pre-kindergarten, create matching savings accounts for low-income people, mandate a minimum wage of $9.50 and provide a million new Section 8 housing vouchers for the poor. He also pledged to start a government-funded public higher education program called "College for Everyone."

"It is central to what I want to do as president to do something about economic inequality. I do not believe it is okay for the United States of America to have 37 million people living in poverty," he said in a meeting with Monitor reporters and editors this week. "And I think we need, desperately need, a president who will say that to America and call on Americans to show their character."

At every stop, Edwards said, he tells voters he'll ask them to sacrifice. Asked to describe what he means, he described his plan for increases in capital gains taxes, saying taxes on "wealth income" should be in line with those on work income.

"I think if we want to fund the things that I think are important to share in prosperity, then people who have done well in this country, including me, have more of a responsibility to give back," he said. Later, he added: "There are no free meals."

Like other Democrats, Edwards named his top three priorities as ending the war in Iraq, enacting universal health care and overhauling the American energy system. "Those are three things instantly I would do," he said.


Edwards also ripped fellow Democrat Sen. Hillary Clinton, who leads most polls nationally and in New Hampshire by a wide margin, for taking campaign contributions from federal lobbyists and for her recent vote in favor of naming Iran's Revolutionary Guard a terrorist group. Edwards barely mentioned Sen. Barack Obama.

Both Edwards and Clinton have proposed universal health care plans that mandate insurance for everyone, while Obama has proposed a plan that requires coverage only for children. Edwards, who was first to propose a plan, called Clinton's a "carbon copy" of his but said he is better positioned to negotiate because he has the "clean hands of not taking money from lobbyists."

"Senator Clinton has over the years has taken millions of dollars from lobbyists and defends the status quo system," he said. "She just basically says the system works and her argument is, 'I'm experienced, I can operate within the system.' "

Clinton spokeswoman Kathleen Strand questioned the line Edwards has drawn. He takes money from state lobbyists and from a variety of industry groups; according to a Washington Post roundup, he's taken more than $8 million this year from lawyers and law firms, including some that also employ lobbyists.

"It is disappointing that instead of taking the opportunity to lay out his ideas to New Hampshire voters, John Edwards is consistently choosing to engage in misleading, desperate attacks against Senator Clinton," Strand said.

Edwards called the Iran vote made by Clinton and others "a signal" to President Bush about what's permissible.

"Are we going to hear six months from now, Bush invades Iran, 'If only I had known then what I know now?' " Edwards said. "How long does it take to learn this lesson? There's a very hard lesson that I've had to learn from Iraq."

As a senator, Edwards voted to authorize the war in Iraq, as did Clinton. Since then, Edwards has apologized and called the vote a mistake, while Clinton has not, saying that she "takes responsibility" for her vote and she would end the war. Edwards has often criticized Clinton for stopping short of an apology.

Edwards said he would pull combat troops out of Iraq within 10 months, while leaving behind a strike force in the region and limited troops in Iraq with missions like protecting the American embassy. He said it's impossible to predict the future of the country.

"No one knows what's going to happen in Iraq. We're in a bad place, the choices are ugly," he said. And we have to make the best choices under the circumstances to maximize the chances for success, but there are enormous risks in Iraq. And a lot of it is out of our hands."

Edwards billed himself as a "rare combination": The most progressive of the major candidates as well as "the most electable." He pointed to the fact that he was elected to the Senate from a "red state" and that he comes from a rural area, two factors that he said prove his electability.

Edwards said the time has passed for "poll-driven, careful, cautious ideas."


"I think you have to say, 'There's something rotten in Denmark,' " he said. "The system needs to be fixed."
It's refreshing for a candidate to be so honest in admitting he will raise taxes, and preaching that 'sacrifice' is a necessary part of character...

I'm not against raising taxes, in the same way I'm not against getting more responsibilities at work... I want something to show for it.
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It is refreshing to hear that. I don't know how anyone can realistically say that we won't raise taxes, especially after 2.4 trillion dollars were dropped in the Iraqi hole.
No one is a front runner until the primaries are done. Howard Dean was leading four years ago, and we all know how well that turned out for him. Hilary could just as easily give way to Obama, or Edwards, or Biden, or anyone else. Same for the Republicans. I'd like to hear more ideas like Edwards' being discussed, out in the open in an honest debate.
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I'm not a fan of raising taxes. My reasons are simple. I do not trust the government to do what they need to with my money. It's like giving cash to an irresponsible teen.

To quote CCR's "Fortunate Son"...
And when you ask them, how much should we give?
Ooh, they only answer more! more! more!
It will never be enough. Taxes will always go up, and never down.

The government needs to be more responsible and work with what they have, just like the majority of the American people. It's the most basic of financial principles. Spend what you have and work with what you have. Until our government proves that it can budget itself better, I will never willingly give them more money. I will vote no on every single tax increase I can, I don't care how they phrase it to make me feel voters guilt. Fuck Uncle Sam.
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He's opening advocating socialism. He is a pig and I couldn't be happier that he has no chance in hell of getting elected.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:He's opening advocating socialism. He is a pig and I couldn't be happier that he has no chance in hell of getting elected.

He's advocating incorporating socalist policies into our society. What, exactly, is wrong with that? I, for one, would prefer if you gave more detailed reasons for your opinion than "x is wrong because i said so."

You speak from your own middle-class perspective, which is fine, but you have no regard for any other perspective, including that of the million of americans that weren't lucky (or perhaps unlucky) enough to be born into the situation you were. I'm in the same position, but im fortunate enough to be able to look at other human beings with some empathy and recognize that the problem isn't going to be fixed until the government does something about it. Personally, I never have to worry about going hungry, my college education, cars, etc. were paid off before I was even born, and if I didn't want to work I wouldn't really have to. But unlike yourself, I can see the "big picture" that you used to proclaim, and ironically, don't have the capacity to recognize.

There are people who literally DO sit on their fat, lazy asses and collect a check each month from the governement, who are apathetic enough to not care of their children are successful or if they live in government housing for the rest of their lives. But I think you'll find that like most sterotypes, this isn't a norm, but an outstanding exception that people like yourself latch onto to denounce government spending on socalist programs.

I think of you took the time to go into those situations, and interact with the people in them, and look around at the truely inpoverished class of america, you'll find that the majority of them truely want to find a way out, and not be handfed checks each month. However due to circumstance there's literally NO WAY for them to, and by defacto, no way for their children to. These situations are what breed gangs, urban violence, and urban attitudes (which you detest), which are like a plague and serve only to continue to hold back people born into such situations. And fixing these situations to give those WILLING to get out a way will solve those problems. But it'll continue to be a vicious cycle until people like john edwards (who I don't really even support in a lot of his programs) stand up and find a way to fix it.

Sorry i'd rather be paying higher taxes so low-income families don't starve and can afford to send their children to college so they can perhaps increase their standing in life, than paying taxes so low-income families in Iraq can get their heads blown off.

And if you can really argue at this point that the war is more pressing of an issue for our tax dollars than helping our own americans, then get a clue. We're literally paying trillions to get ourselves and other people killed, and there's no end in sight. There's no plausable reason at this point.
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I think it's just fucking horrifying to some people on either side that someone running for presidency even HAS a plan.

Even more terrifying, he's willing to actually say what it is! I'm having trouble getting past that part, so I can't even say what I think about the plan itself.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:He's opening advocating socialism. He is a pig and I couldn't be happier that he has no chance in hell of getting elected.
You are a retard. As has been said many times, socialism NEEDS to exist in some form for a society to progress and flourish. The question is not whether or not to have socialism, the question is which programs should be socialized and which should not. Only oblivious fucking retarded people think all socialism is bad, in the same way that some think all fascism is bad.
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"Socialism," defined thusly, already does exist. We already charge taxes in order to fund redistributive programs. He's advocating a vast increase in this area, but he's not proposing anything that's even remotely philosophically out of line with what we already do.

I don't agree with what he's advocating as a matter of policy, but I agree it's great that he's articulating it. It's an important issue and I'm glad someone's putting it on the table for discussion.
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Those of you who agree with socialism should move to other countried which have socialism and stop trying to change our system.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Those of you who agree with socialism should move to other countried which have socialism and stop trying to change our system.
Those of you who aren't progressive and wish to live back in the ninteenth century need to stab yourselves in the eyeballs and stop trying to hinder nessecary changes to our society.

I can post one-liners too. You still haven't posted an explaination as to why you oppose forms of socialism being incorporated into our government, so i'll assume you either "give up" or you just can't think of why Fox News said it was bad, but you're positive they did.


edit - Adding onto what Acies stated: I can't think of anything less "American" than telling a person with differing views to "get out."
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Those of you who agree with socialism should move to other countried which have socialism and stop trying to change our system.
Maybe you should get out? That is not meant as a barb against you Mid, but this is a land of free people and free exchange of ideas. If you do not like the discussion about becoming more of a socialistic society at the expense of being a capitalistic one, then maybe it is not those people who should get out. I say that you should perhaps consider leaving over others, because our forefathers wrote into the constitution the ability for it to be ratified. If you do not accept that at least considering change is writ into the basis of our society then maybe it is you who would be more comfortable elsewhere. Again, not a barb, just a fact.

Our country is a capitalistic/socialistic one. We have certain things which are privatized in a capitalistic system. Heathcare, to name one. We have other things which are in line with a socialistic system. Police, for example. I agree with nither system in their totality but to dismiss one or the other in their totallity (without understanding them, it sounds like *that is a barb*) is stupid.
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Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Those of you who agree with socialism should move to other countried which have socialism and stop trying to change our system.

CHANGE our system?? rofl...... Man you are obtuse.
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Noble goals. It takes goals to enact change, but I'll be honest. I'm voting for whoever will not send me to the poorhouse.

Being married w/ a house payment, 2 car payments, a kid and a single income is fucking crippling.
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Ashur wrote:Noble goals. It takes goals to enact change, but I'll be honest. I'm voting for whoever will not send me to the poorhouse.

Being married w/ a house payment, 2 car payments, a kid and a single income is fucking crippling.
I think his proposal was to give you money, not take it...
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Zaelath wrote:
Ashur wrote:Noble goals. It takes goals to enact change, but I'll be honest. I'm voting for whoever will not send me to the poorhouse.

Being married w/ a house payment, 2 car payments, a kid and a single income is fucking crippling.
I think his proposal was to give you money, not take it...
We've heard that one before though...
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Boogahz wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Ashur wrote:Noble goals. It takes goals to enact change, but I'll be honest. I'm voting for whoever will not send me to the poorhouse.

Being married w/ a house payment, 2 car payments, a kid and a single income is fucking crippling.
I think his proposal was to give you money, not take it...
We've heard that one before though...
And what was the result? Did your taxes change vastly and send you "to the poorhouse?"

Or was that guy not elected? If not, do you find yourself keeping more of your paycheck than you did, or did the guy who was elected also take more money from you?
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Sylvus wrote:
Boogahz wrote:
Zaelath wrote:
Ashur wrote:Noble goals. It takes goals to enact change, but I'll be honest. I'm voting for whoever will not send me to the poorhouse.

Being married w/ a house payment, 2 car payments, a kid and a single income is fucking crippling.
I think his proposal was to give you money, not take it...
We've heard that one before though...
And what was the result?
The result was still more taxes...but we have 3k Dead Americans and 150k dead Iraqis so that was money well spent! As are all the tax dollars for the rest of our lives...our children's lives...their children's lives...
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Bush promised to give me more money. He spent it instead.
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No one ever gives me money. :(
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