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Building the infrastructure for electric cars

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/techn ... nted=print
SAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 28 — Shai Agassi, a Silicon Valley technologist who was in competition to become chief executive of SAP, one of the world’s largest software companies, has re-emerged with a grand plan to reinvent the world’s automobile industry around battery-powered all-electric cars.

Others are developing green cars, like the Tesla and Chevrolet Volt. However, Mr. Agassi is not planning to make cars, but instead wants to deploy an infrastructure of battery-charging stations in the United States, Europe and the developing world.

The new system will sell electric fuel on a subscription basis and will subsidize vehicle costs through leases and credits.

“We’re basically saying this is just like the cellular phone model,” he said. “If you think of Tesla as the iPhone, we’re AT&T.”

On Monday, he plans to announce in New York City that he has raised $200 million from private venture partners, including the Israel Corporation, a large Israeli transportation and technology holding company, Vantage Point Venture Partners, as well as a group of private investors including Edgar Bronfman Sr., the liquor magnate, and James D. Wolfensohn, former head of the World Bank. Israel Corporation’s $100 million investment was announced earlier this year.

In an interview Thursday, Mr. Agassi said tests of prototype vehicles would start in early 2008 and the company would begin commercial sales and service in two years. He said he was working to obtain commitments from both governments and carmakers.


Mr. Agassi founded TopTier software in Israel in 1992 and then moved the company to California. TopTier was acquired by SAP, based in Germany, in 2001.

He said his approach was a radical departure from other electric-car ventures that relied on advances in battery technology, which have come slowly.

Instead, he plans to extend the existing electric-power grids with a wide network of intelligent recharging stations in urban areas and supplementing it with a smaller number of automated battery-replacement stations.

Today, giant automobile makers as well as start-ups like Silicon Valley’s Tesla Motors are struggling with life cycle, performance and the cost limitations of battery technology. Tesla, for example, has been delayed several times by battery-related issues and now says it plans to deliver its first models next year.

General Motors has said it hopes to have advanced lithium-ion battery technology in place to commercialize its planned Chevrolet Volt, but those batteries are still being developed.

There are also issues of safety with existing lithium-ion batteries that have become unstable under extreme temperatures.

“If you listen to the car companies, they suggest there is a fix, but it’s not there yet,” said Stephen J. Girsky, a partner at the investment firm Centerbridge Partners who formerly served as an adviser to General Motors.

However, the new venture, which Mr. Agassi has named, for now, Better Place, would be viable even with existing lithium-ion battery technology, he said.

The economics will be more compelling in Europe, where gasoline is roughly twice as expensive as in the United States, he said. Assuming a life span of 1,500 battery recharges, he said that the energy cost of all-electric cars would be about 7 cents a mile. That would be less than a third of the cost of driving a gasoline-powered car today.

“It’s much easier to transport electrons than octane molecules,” he said. “We’ve already got a grid that goes around the entire world; all we have to do is extend it.”

Mr. Agassi envisions tens of thousands of recharging spots that will adjust for both cost and use patterns.
For example, a group of parking-lot chargers at a workplace might recharge a visitor’s car before a regular employee’s car parked for the entire day.

The system will also supplement recharging stations that require about one minute of recharge time for every minute of driving, with a smaller number of car-wash-style stations for swapping batteries. This would make it possible for a driver to go to a station rather than wait to recharge a battery, he said.
IMHO, This is where the money needs to go when you talk about scary 'global warming'... use it to enable change... global warming isn't mentioned in this article, nor does it need to be... but this cheaper and renewable technology would drastically cut man's alleged participation in the climate change debacle.

I'm disappointed that this is all left up to private enterprise, while governments use the climate as an empty talking point out of one side of their mouth and protect big oil with the other.
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Fash wrote:IMHO, This is where the money needs to go when you talk about scary 'global warming'... use it to enable change... global warming isn't mentioned in this article, nor does it need to be... but this cheaper and renewable technology would drastically cut man's alleged participation in the climate change debacle.

I'm disappointed that this is all left up to private enterprise, while governments use the climate as an empty talking point out of one side of their mouth and protect big oil with the other.
It raises other questions though. How is "the grid" being powered? How much impact on "the grid" would switching to battery-powered cars have? You still have to get the power from somewhere, if that means increased coal-burning plants, will those coal plants cause more or less pollution than cars currently do?

Get some nuclear power plants going, and make me an electric car that can top out at around 90mph and not make me wait an hour to recharge it when I'm in the middle of a drive, and I'm all for it.
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electrical infrastructure is still an important step. yes, the grid is being powered by fossil fuels but its much more efficient to burn coal at a plant that is engineered to capture every bit of energy as efficiently as possible. how efficient are most car engines by comparison? throw in the benefit that we are sitting on an assload of coal, reducing the amount of energy that must be expended to deliver energy from foreign sources. throw in the benefit that we can get pollution out of populated or sensitive areas. we need to be able to produce energy from absolutely any source that we want and readily convert it into a form that can be accepted by our vehicles and be delivered efficiently, electricity is the only way to do this right now other than hydrogen which is an idiotic plan anyway


i'm 100% behind you that we need nuclear plants galore, but i'd definitely take a coal-fueled electric infrastructure in the meantime


also, there are electric cars that i'm fairly certain would meet and even exceed your performance needs.. the chevy volt and tesla car mentioned in the article, for instance. just gotta pay for them
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I believe most studies that have been done regarding this have found that even if all the energy came from coal burning plants it would have less environmental impact than a oil burning car. Who Killed the Electric Car? is a pretty good documentary if anyone is interested in this.
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IMHO, This is where the money needs to go when you talk about scary 'global warming'... use it to enable change... global warming isn't mentioned in this article, nor does it need to be... but this cheaper and renewable technology would drastically cut man's alleged participation in the climate change debacle.

I'm disappointed that this is all left up to private enterprise, while governments use the climate as an empty talking point out of one side of their mouth and protect big oil with the other.

I think the global warming "thing" is really just to raise awareness of a broad environmental problem and introduce possible solutions. That's what pisses me off when people staunchy object to any talk of "global warming" - wheather you think the globe is headed to an imminent catastrophic end or not is irrelevant; there's no denying that SOMETHING bad is going to happen if our lifestyles continue as they are. It's not like Al Gore is going to come masturbate on your forehead if you acknowledge that there is at least some degree / form of environmental problems.

But I do agree wih you ^_^.
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