It is unacceptable to confuse obama for osama.

[Fash]

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007 ... ama-gaffe/

GREENWOOD, S.C. — Mitt Romney might have still been a bit bleary-eyed this morning when he twice confused Senator Barack Obama with Osama bin Laden when referring to the latter’s new recorded message.

Mr. Romney was talking about global trade this morning, rolling out a spiffy new PowerPoint presentation before the Chamber of Commerce here in which he called for the United States to initiate global free trade zone agreements with other countries that he called the “Reagan Zone of Economic Freedom.”

But he paused to talk about the threat of radical Islam, taking John Edwards, one of his Democratic opponents, to task for comments he made several months ago that criticized the “global war on terror” as a bumper sticker for President Bush.

“I think that is a position which is not consistent with the fact,” Mr. Romney said. “Actually, just look at what Osam — uh — Barack Obama, said just yesterday. Barack Obama calling on radicals, jihadists of all different types, to come together in Iraq. That is the battlefield. That is the central place, he said. Come join us under one banner.”

The comment set off some confusion among the press corps. Glen Johnson of the Associated Press was momentarily frantically searching for comments made by Mr. Obama, another Democratic presidential contender, about jihadism and Iraq.

It turns out, of course, Mr. Romney was talking about the new audiotape from bin Laden calling on insurgents in Iraq to unite.

Oops.

Kevin Madden, a Romney spokesman, said afterward: “Governor Romney simply misspoke. He was referring to the recently released audiotape of Osama bin Laden and misspoke when referencing his name. It was just a brief mix-up.”

And Bill Burton for the Obama campaign sent this response, when asked for comment:

“Apparently, Mitt Romney can switch names just as casually as he
switches positions, but what’s wrong-headed is continuing a misguided war in Iraq that has left America less safe. It’s time to end the
divisiveness and fear-mongering that is at the heart of Governor
Romney’s campaign.”

2:45 p.m. update From the Times’s Jeff Zeleny in New Hampshire: Campaigning this afternoon, Mr. Obama did not mention Mr. Romney and he wasn’t taking questions from reporters. But as he walked from a living room at a house party in Merrimack, The Caucus stopped Mr. Obama for a moment to ask for his thoughts on the matter.

“I don’t pay too much attention to Mitt Romney,” Mr. Obama said.

The name isn't enough for this to happen... There is no way you can intend to talk about the newest Osama tape and say "Barack Obama" like you're confusing the names in your head... Bad form, Mitt. What kind of a name is Mitt, anyways?

YouTube from 30 rock of osama/obama gag

[Boogahz]

It would have been one thing if he had said something like Obama bin Laden, but to say Osama and "correct" it to Barack Obama...

[Ashur]

Romney is a big stupidhead (as my daughter would say).

That is all.

[Wulfran]

It would have been one thing if he had said something like Obama bin Laden, but to say Osama and "correct" it to Barack Obama...

Actually I think it says something (rather unpleasant if not downright scary) about the guy if he keeps making slips confusing a possible politcal rival to a mass murdering terrorist. If its intentional, trying to create that connection with the public, between Obama and Osama bin Laden, its just that more disgusting... especially from a guy that has been know to cry foul for supposed shots at his religious background.

[Keverian FireCry]

I think what he said was deliberate, but he tried to make it sound like a mistake.

[Funkmasterr]

I think what he said was deliberate, but he tried to make it sound like a mistake.

I got that same impression. However, I will say that this is obviously way out of line and the guy should apologize immediately, but the guy that implied bush was masturbating at the sight of corpses of soldiers was just stating his opinion and shouldn't have to explain himself because he has an obvious reason to be outraged.

[Nick]

Romney, like all the other Republican candidates, is indeed a stupid head.

Fox news level propoganda on the OSAMA OBAMA LOL front strikes again.

[Kaldaur]

Yeah, I saw the clip on the news. There is no bloody way that you can confuse Osa--Barack Obama released that tape...
Please. Obama/Osama could, at best, be a stretch. But to put Barack in front of it? He knew exactly what he was doing. The only props in this whole situation go to Obama with his "I don't think about him that much." quote. Perfect!

[Xatrei]

I want to vote for Hugh Romney in '08.

[Bagar-]

I think what he said was deliberate, but he tried to make it sound like a mistake.

I got that same impression. However, I will say that this is obviously way out of line and the guy should apologize immediately, but the guy that implied bush was masturbating at the sight of corpses of soldiers was just stating his opinion and shouldn't have to explain himself because he has an obvious reason to be outraged.

You're confusing calling someone by another name to calling out someone for the horrendous, irreversible mistakes that they've blatently made and refuse to acknowledge / fix.

And no one said he needed to aplogize, he's just dumb. I don't even see the big deal. I mean, it's almost as stupid as someone calling me Fagar. I deserve an apology.

BARAK OBAMA LOSES '08 ELECTIONS DUE TO BEING CONFUSED WITH KNOWN TERRORIST. MORON GOVORNER TO BLAME. MORE AT 10.

[Funkmasterr]

I think what he said was deliberate, but he tried to make it sound like a mistake.

I got that same impression. However, I will say that this is obviously way out of line and the guy should apologize immediately, but the guy that implied bush was masturbating at the sight of corpses of soldiers was just stating his opinion and shouldn't have to explain himself because he has an obvious reason to be outraged.

You're confusing calling someone by another name to calling out someone for the horrendous, irreversible mistakes that they've blatently made and refuse to acknowledge / fix.

And no one said he needed to aplogize, he's just dumb. I don't even see the big deal. I mean, it's almost as stupid as someone calling me Fagar. I deserve an apology.

BARAK OBAMA LOSES '08 ELECTIONS DUE TO BEING CONFUSED WITH KNOWN TERRORIST. MORON GOVORNER TO BLAME. MORE AT 10.

Your analogy fails to be relevant because you are putting your personal opinion into the matter. Face value the two situations are basically the same, someone saying something out of line because they don't like someone. It's childish, and regardless of opinion or what you think of the person there is no place for that shit to be happening amongst "important" people that are supposed to be running our government fairly and efficiently, and these types of things are just one of the many factors stopping that from happening.

[Nick]

Since when did an analogy become invalid just because someone has an opinion? What type of fucking moronic debate technique is this? It's a shitty fad started by Midnyte and then used to justify a complete lack of counter argument.

Now the difference between what constitutes an informed opinion and a fucking retarded one is somewhat more important, yet far less frequently mentioned by the people so quick to use the word.

[Funkmasterr]

Since when did an analogy become invalid just because someone has an opinion? What type of fucking moronic debate technique is this? It's a shitty fad started by Midnyte and then used to justify a complete lack of counter argument.

Now the difference between what constitutes an informed opinion and a fucking retarded one is somewhat more important, yet far less frequently mentioned by the people so quick to use the word.

Because his opinion is skewing his view on things. I'm not taking one side or the other, both of the comments were equally retarded and should both be treated as such. I don't think it's that hard to put your opinion of the person the comment was made by/about aside and just talk about the issue - which is the comment, not what made that person say it, or anything else.

[Nick]

Because his opinion is skewing his view on things.

This is nonsense. How are you, or anyone, any different? How does this fact of human reasoning nullify his opinion/point yet justify yours?

What a retarded rationalisation to create.

[Funkmasterr]

Because his opinion is skewing his view on things.

This is a ridiculously illogical rationale on which to attempt to justify your own opinion as any more valid than anyone elses. His view is his opinion, welcome to human reasoning.

I'm not saying my opinion holds any more weight than his, what I am saying is that he (and others here) are making this situation sound like a bigger deal (than the Bush comment) because it's about someone they like (or at least hold a higher opinion of.) I don't like Obama, I don't dislike Bush - but neither of those opinions of mine has anything to do with why I feel the comments made about both of them were out of line.

[Nick]

Why don't you like Obama?

[Funkmasterr]

I would like to rephrase what I said. I don't dislike Obama, I just don't agree with him.

I will say that if I was forced to vote for either him or hilary, I would most certainly vote for him.

Here are a few things I don't like about him, neither of which are specific to him, but are common liberal stances:

This doesn't sit well with me:

In his continued courting of African Americans in South Carolina, where he is in a battle for support with Clinton, Obama has launched a radio ad narrated by Jesse Jackson Jr.

With what appears to be a piano rendition of "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot" playing in the background, Jackson Jr. says his own name and "my father" twice in the 60-second ad and urges voters to support Obama, who has "taken up the torch" and is "continuing that march for justice."

In a veiled swipe at Clinton, Jackson says, "A lot of politicians call themselves our friends. But Obama has a heart that beats for our community. And he's dedicated his life to the struggle."

Jackson concludes, "Once, South Carolina voted for my father, and sent a strong message to the nation. Next year, you can send more than a message. You can launch a President."

Per the campaign, the ad begins airing today on 36 gospel and R&B radio stations across South Carolina. This is the third radio ad, Obama has run in the state.

I have no time for a president that is going to associate himself with Black extremists like Jesse Jackson (or his kids). I have stated more than once how I feel that people like Jackson are setting the black community back, and by no means do I feel it is ok for a PRESIDENT to be doing this same thing.

I realize that this is more to win the black vote than to say he necessarily agrees with everything Jackson says, however I think it is a very poor choice of things to focus on anywhere, and I believe that it is below Obama, who is obviously intelligent enough to understand what I just stated.


I also don't like the typical (liberal) stance he takes on war (not just Iraq). In one sentence it's "we need to show we won't tolerate terrorism" and in the next sentence it's "we need to approach these people diplomatically, instead of fighting them". It is things like this, and willingness that people seem to have to put the U.S.'s decisions in the hands of foreign entities that scare the shit out of me.

EDIT: I am not saying I don't care for him based solely off of these two things, but you asked why so I figured I'd at least give you a couple of reasons.

[Xyun]

I think what he said was deliberate, but he tried to make it sound like a mistake.

I got that same impression. However, I will say that this is obviously way out of line and the guy should apologize immediately, but the guy that implied bush was masturbating at the sight of corpses of soldiers was just stating his opinion and shouldn't have to explain himself because he has an obvious reason to be outraged.

You're confusing calling someone by another name to calling out someone for the horrendous, irreversible mistakes that they've blatently made and refuse to acknowledge / fix.

And no one said he needed to aplogize, he's just dumb. I don't even see the big deal. I mean, it's almost as stupid as someone calling me Fagar. I deserve an apology.

BARAK OBAMA LOSES '08 ELECTIONS DUE TO BEING CONFUSED WITH KNOWN TERRORIST. MORON GOVORNER TO BLAME. MORE AT 10.

Your analogy fails to be relevant because you are putting your personal opinion into the matter. Face value the two situations are basically the same, someone saying something out of line because they don't like someone. It's childish, and regardless of opinion or what you think of the person there is no place for that shit to be happening amongst "important" people that are supposed to be running our government fairly and efficiently, and these types of things are just one of the many factors stopping that from happening.

Wow. How stupid are you? The two situations are basically the same? lol. moron.

[Funkmasterr]

I think what he said was deliberate, but he tried to make it sound like a mistake.

I got that same impression. However, I will say that this is obviously way out of line and the guy should apologize immediately, but the guy that implied bush was masturbating at the sight of corpses of soldiers was just stating his opinion and shouldn't have to explain himself because he has an obvious reason to be outraged.

You're confusing calling someone by another name to calling out someone for the horrendous, irreversible mistakes that they've blatently made and refuse to acknowledge / fix.

And no one said he needed to aplogize, he's just dumb. I don't even see the big deal. I mean, it's almost as stupid as someone calling me Fagar. I deserve an apology.

BARAK OBAMA LOSES '08 ELECTIONS DUE TO BEING CONFUSED WITH KNOWN TERRORIST. MORON GOVORNER TO BLAME. MORE AT 10.

Your analogy fails to be relevant because you are putting your personal opinion into the matter. Face value the two situations are basically the same, someone saying something out of line because they don't like someone. It's childish, and regardless of opinion or what you think of the person there is no place for that shit to be happening amongst "important" people that are supposed to be running our government fairly and efficiently, and these types of things are just one of the many factors stopping that from happening.

Wow. How stupid are you? The two situations are basically the same? lol. moron.

They are the same. In both situations, the party in question made an inappropriate (the bush comment was out of line, whether you can see that/agree with it or not) comment about someone. It's that simple, you can turn it into anything else you want to, but you'd be wrong.

[Xyun]

One statement was stated as opinion while the other statement was stated as fact. Thanks for proving to everyone here that you lack the elementary ability to discern between the two.

[Funkmasterr]

Really, which one was fact mr. high and mighty?

Someone saying that Bush is amused by soldiers deaths is not a fact, it may be your opinion,it may be the opinion of the majority of people here on VV, but that does not make it fact, it is indeed an OPINION.

Someone calling barack osam... obama is also not stating any kind of fact, it was a douchebag politician making an un-warranted slam on obama, because of his OPINION of him.

I am not retarded, or stupid. I am however sick of people (you are one of the worst) immediately resorting to vicious, dickheaded comments because you don't agree with someone. This thread is a perfect example of how I state my opinion (I would say I have been very civil) and because a few of the most outspoken assholes here don't agree with me, the thread immediately turns into insults being flung at me.. and it's me ruining the CE forum, what a sad, sad bunch of motherfuckers you are.

Flame all you want where it is appropriate, but continuing to immediately skip debate and go straight to calling someone retarded because you don't agree with them is just going to further decline the amount of actual debating issues that takes place here.

[*~*stragi*~*]

how come every serious political person thinks ron paul is a joke

[Xyun]

Really, which one was fact mr. high and mighty?

Someone saying that Bush is amused by soldiers deaths is not a fact, it may be your opinion,it may be the opinion of the majority of people here on VV, but that does not make it fact, it is indeed an OPINION.

Someone calling barack osam... obama is also not stating any kind of fact, it was a douchebag politician making an un-warranted slam on obama, because of his OPINION of him.

I am not retarded, or stupid. I am however sick of people (you are one of the worst) immediately resorting to vicious, dickheaded comments because you don't agree with someone. This thread is a perfect example of how I state my opinion (I would say I have been very civil) and because a few of the most outspoken assholes here don't agree with me, the thread immediately turns into insults being flung at me.. and it's me ruining the CE forum, what a sad, sad bunch of motherfuckers you are.

Flame all you want where it is appropriate, but continuing to immediately skip debate and go straight to calling someone retarded because you don't agree with them is just going to further decline the amount of actual debating issues that takes place here.

You are fucking ignorant. Romney's statement was stated as fact. The other is opinion. The two situations are not even close to being comparable. One is a slip of the tongue when stating a FACT (whether it was deliberate or not is completely moot). You assume it was deliberate and draw conclusion based on an assumption which is YOUR FUCKING OPINION. Yet you cannot fucking understand that the assumption you made is where the fucking discrepancy in your ignorant argument lies.

Furthermore, let's assume (as you do) that Romney's statement was in fact deliberate. You take it one step further and say that he is deliberately calling Obama a fucking terrorist, as if it is Romney's opinion that he is in fact a terrorist. Are you kidding me? lol.

If you are wondering why you get chastised so much, it is because you are a moron.

[Funkmasterr]

Really, which one was fact mr. high and mighty?

Someone saying that Bush is amused by soldiers deaths is not a fact, it may be your opinion,it may be the opinion of the majority of people here on VV, but that does not make it fact, it is indeed an OPINION.

Someone calling barack osam... obama is also not stating any kind of fact, it was a douchebag politician making an un-warranted slam on obama, because of his OPINION of him.

I am not retarded, or stupid. I am however sick of people (you are one of the worst) immediately resorting to vicious, dickheaded comments because you don't agree with someone. This thread is a perfect example of how I state my opinion (I would say I have been very civil) and because a few of the most outspoken assholes here don't agree with me, the thread immediately turns into insults being flung at me.. and it's me ruining the CE forum, what a sad, sad bunch of motherfuckers you are.

Flame all you want where it is appropriate, but continuing to immediately skip debate and go straight to calling someone retarded because you don't agree with them is just going to further decline the amount of actual debating issues that takes place here.

You are fucking ignorant. Romney's statement was stated as fact. The other is opinion. The two situations are not even close to being comparable. One is a slip of the tongue when stating a FACT (whether it was deliberate or not is completely moot). You assume it was deliberate and draw conclusion based on an assumption which is YOUR FUCKING OPINION. Yet you cannot fucking understand that the assumption you made is where the fucking discrepancy in your ignorant argument lies.

Furthermore, let's assume (as you do) that Romney's statement was in fact deliberate. You take it one step further and say that he is deliberately calling Obama a fucking terrorist, as if it is Romney's opinion that he is in fact a terrorist. Are you kidding me? lol.

If you are wondering why you get chastised so much, it is because you are a moron.

No, I'm not wrong. I'm not ignorant, I'm not a moron. The problem here is that you are an arrogant prick that thinks he is far more intelligent than he is (you are far from the only VV'er with that problem).

I was not saying that his slip of the tongue meant he was actually implying Obama is a terrorist, what I am saying is that I am anyone with a sliver of common sense could see that he didn't say it on accident. What was he implying by making the comment? Probably nothing, he was just doing it to be a douche, which has come to be common play on all sides of the political fence.

Is it that hard to believe that he would make a grade-schoolish comment like this when our president and the senate/congress are playing the constant game of cock blocking each other for no good reason, just because they can and they don't like the other.. It's become a fucking joke, the countries best interests have never been further from the best interests of our leaders, because they are too busy sucker punching each other.

But you can continue to call me retarded or whatever you want because you don't agree with me, fact of the matter is my opinion is no less valid than yours or anyone else's here - you are just a fucking cock that likes to resort to fucking with people you don't agree with right away instead of just debating the issue.

The fact that anyone could have ever implied mid or I had anything to do with the degeneration of this forum when arrogant pricks like you are posting here is so sad that I have to wonder:

Is it really that the people I'm talking about are the types that are so arrogant and confident in their beliefs that they can't even humor the other side of the argument, and anyone that takes the other side is automatically stupid for not seeing the *obvious* truth,

Or is it that that many people here are really just that stupid?

I don't know which is worse.

[Nick]

That's quite a hole you've dug for yourself there.

[Bagar-]

Wow.

Okay, where to start...

So because my statement was influenced by my opinion, it's invalidated. I can accept that.

This means you've made 2,815 invalid statements on this message board. Do you realize that?

Every statement made by every, single person on this board has been influenced by his or her opinion. Jesus christ. Find me one remark NOT influenced by opinion.

[Forthe]

No, I'm not wrong. I'm not ignorant, I'm not a moron. The problem here is that you are an arrogant prick that thinks he is far more intelligent than he is (you are far from the only VV'er with that problem).

It is pretty obvious that Xyun has some grey matter working for him.

Your two examples are hardly the same. One is a pissed off democrat going apeshit on Bush. The other is Romney being passive aggresive. Both could be seen as inappropriate but at least the crazy democrat is going at Bush straight up and can be held accountable for his comments. Romney is being an underhanded pussy.

[Xyun]

But you can continue to call me retarded or whatever you want because you don't agree with me, fact of the matter is my opinion is no less valid than yours or anyone else's here - you are just a fucking cock that likes to resort to fucking with people you don't agree with right away instead of just debating the issue.

Do you seriously believe that I would engage in a "debate" with people who don't understand or observe the rules of debate? The reason I treat you as if you are intellectually inferior is because you are. That's not opinion, it's fact, but you don't know the fucking difference.

[Bagar-]

But you can continue to call me retarded or whatever you want because you don't agree with me, fact of the matter is my opinion is no less valid than yours or anyone else's here - you are just a fucking cock that likes to resort to fucking with people you don't agree with right away instead of just debating the issue.

Do you seriously believe that I would engage in a "debate" with people who don't understand or observe the rules of debate? The reason I treat you as if you are intellectually inferior is because you are. That's not opinion, it's fact, but you don't know the fucking difference.

Let me translate:

Wiggity word dawgface. You don't be knowin how to talk like dem, so dey be treatin u like a kid son. You go get yoself sum of dat debatin skillz n reed a book n u gonna be one chillass gangsta mad fuckin smart dude son. Holla atcha boy.

[noel]

Forthe: excellent to see you back.

Xyun: thanks for the picture.

Funkmasterr: things never change. Now's the best time to back away from the keyboard and spend some more quality time with the Xbox 360.

Bagar: Welcome.

[*~*stragi*~*]

question posed

[Asheran Mojomaster]

how come every serious political person thinks ron paul is a joke

Thats what I want to know. He has won more straw polls than anyone else, and did better in all of the debates. He is really low on the random phone polls but those are only polling people that have a land line and have voted republican in the past. Many people are registering republican just to vote for him in the primary and usually only older people have land line phones. Some younger people have them, but very few that I know.

Straw polls may be skewed a bit in our favor though as young people tend to be more active politically...but it was awesome hearing people chanting his name at the one in Alabama, and seeing all of the signs. Gave me hope.

[Lynks]

Since when did an analogy become invalid just because someone has an opinion? What type of fucking moronic debate technique is this? It's a shitty fad started by Midnyte and then used to justify a complete lack of counter argument.

possibly the most fucking retarded analogy that this place has seen.

That is the absolutely most shit analogy ever created on this board.

Perhaps started by Mid, but you seem to be doing it a lot more when its most convenient for you you fucking hypocrite.

[Funkmasterr]

Forthe: excellent to see you back.

Xyun: thanks for the picture.

Funkmasterr: things never change. Now's the best time to back away from the keyboard and spend some more quality time with the Xbox 360.

Bagar: Welcome.

Right, I should step away from the keyboard because I am almost never in the majority VV opinion on political issues.. And because I get frustrated that there are so many hypocrites posting here that it makes my head spin.. What really happens is you and a few others need to fucking get over yourselves, asap.

Glad you're all buddied up with bagar-`~. I put him on ignore because he is a complete waste of time, and I did just fine for the last 7 years on the forums without hearing his bullshit. Only person I've ever ignored! I better calm down before I end up like siji.

[miir]

Face value the two situations are basically the same

They are not even remotely close to being the same.

[Nick]

Hey Lynks, welcome back, congratulations on your troll!

[Lynks]

I'm just calling it like I see it.