How bad is the Big 10?

[Sabek]

According to 1460 The Fan here, it wasn't dismissed.
He was in court today and pled not guilty.

Tressel said he is gone for this weekend and indefinitely after that.

[Zamtuk]

Yeah, I haven't heard it was dismissed, but that is the court docket linked above. Just for fun, check your name on that very website. If you have gotten a ticket in Franklin county ever, then you will see it and the result.

[Sabek]

So since USC could only beat Washington by 3 and OSU beat Washington by 19, does that mean OSU would be USC by 16?

I forgot its that tough PAC-10.

[Winnow]

So since USC could only beat Washington by 3 and OSU beat Washington by 19, does that mean OSU would be USC by 16?

I forgot its that tough PAC-10.

What was that? I was distracted watching #4 Florida (SEC), #3 Oklahoma (Big 12) and #11 Penn State (Big Ten) lose.

Big Ten = Big One (OSU) (Say goodbye to another top 25 team in Penn State this week)

Pac Ten is super tough. USC is lucky to beat any Pac Ten team. Oregon gave Cal a tough showing as well. Oregon being a team that blew the fucking doors off Michigan (which actually could end up being the 2nd best team in the Big Ten. lol)

In the end, the top teams in the Pac-10 won their games with #11 Oregon losing to #6 Cal. Can't complain about that eh?

#1 USC won
#6 Cal won
#11 Oregon gave Cal a tough showing but lost (tough division beating each other up. Can't have every Pac-10 team ranked in the top 25 when they have to play each other)
#23 Arizona State won
UCLA won

yeah, the SEC is tougher than the Pac Ten! dream on.

[Sabek]

Pac Ten is super tough. USC is lucky to beat any Pac Ten team.

You are correct USC is really lucky to beat that Washington team that OSU absolutely man handled.
Thanks for making my point.

[Winnow]

Pac Ten is super tough. USC is lucky to beat any Pac Ten team.

You are correct USC is really lucky to beat that Washington team that OSU absolutely man handled.
Thanks for making my point.

Pac-10 teams step it up when they play in conference against real teams! Fierce rivalries in a tough division. OSU was losing at half time to the same team. If OSU lost to an unranked Pac-10, they'd have zero worthy teams this year instead of one. You should be thankful.

BTW, what's up with those stickers on OSU player helmets? Those were cool...in High School.

[Aardor]

BTW, what's up with those stickers on OSU player helmets? Those were cool...in High School.

I would say the majority of college teams have them, being awarded for various things. But I guess you'll take anything you can get.

[Boogahz]

I think this is just a strange year all around

QFT

[Sabek]

Pac Ten is super tough. USC is lucky to beat any Pac Ten team.

You are correct USC is really lucky to beat that Washington team that OSU absolutely man handled.
Thanks for making my point.

Pac-10 teams step it up when they play in conference against real teams! Fierce rivalries in a tough division. OSU was losing at half time to the same team. If OSU lost to an unranked Pac-10, they'd have zero worthy teams this year instead of one. You should be thankful.

BTW, what's up with those stickers on OSU player helmets? Those were cool...in High School.

Those are two of the lamest third grade comebacks I have ever seen written.

First if the PAC 10 is such a superior conference, Washington should have blown OSU out of the water. Ummm they didn't. And don't give me any of this playing down to the competition bullshit. They knew OSU was ranked 8 coming in and they should have been ready if they were such a great team.
You can't have it both ways either OSU is incredibly great for beating the team that came very close to beating USC last night, or USC sucks ass. Which is it?

The way I see it is OSU beat Washington more soundly than USC did so OSU > USC right?
So therefore the #1 team in Big Ten > #1 team in PAC 10 which leads to Big Ten > PAC 10.

And as far as the helmet stickers go, OSU does it to recognize the outstanding play of their athletes, coincidently so does College gameday when they give out helmet stickers everyweek, and large number of other colleges do it as well. I can think of Georgia, and FSU right off the top of my head. That's cool if ASU doesn't have anything to be proud of for their athletes. But don't hate on OSU because you still can't get passed OSU beating ASU and taking away the mythical National Championship.

[Boogahz]

What was that? I was distracted watching #4 Florida (SEC), #3 Oklahoma (Big 12) and #11 Penn State (Big Ten) lose.

Did you have a point? These were all Conference losses and you tout how competition gets tougher in the Pac10 Conference games...

[Winnow]

What was that? I was distracted watching #4 Florida (SEC), #3 Oklahoma (Big 12) and #11 Penn State (Big Ten) lose.

Did you have a point? These were all Conference losses and you tout how competition gets tougher in the Pac10 Conference games...

The ranked losses in the Pac-10 came to Pac-10 teams ranked even higher, not to unranked conference opponents. All conference games are tough in the Pac-10 but the best teams dig deep and pull out the wins in the conference.

How are you supposed to make an argument for the SEC being a tougher conference when its best team just lost to an unranked team and will now plummet as did Michigan and Penn State. You can make a case that Oregon could beat Florida, leaving USC and Cal to play the 2nd and third best teams in the SEC, leaving Arizona State to play whoever the 4th best team is. Three Pac-10 teams could probably beat the best team in the SEC. 9 Pac-Ten teams could probably beat any Big Ten team besides OSU, of which Cal and USC could beat.

Pac-10 is the best conference in college this year. hell, unranked Washington was even beating OSU for a half, holding them to 3 points. I shudder to think of what one of the top four ranked Pac-10 teams would do to them. *shudders*

2001 World Series Champion D'Backs won the Western Division and have the home field through the first two rounds of the playoffs. Just another AZ team doing well...like the 3x Pacific Division Champion Suns, and World Champion Mercury! (and 5-0 ASU!) All earning it the hard way (and sometimes battling cheating refs and dirty playing teams or AZ would have a couple more championships the past two years)

Summary: Pac-10 is the best conference in college football this year. The only conference remotely close is the SEC but now I'm not so sure.

[Zamtuk]

That is a fucking laugh. UW got fucking raped when OSU came to town. And don't give me that bullshit that they were leading in the first half. Games do go 2 whole halves, in case you missed that. The result was a more sound ass beating than USC struggled to give. The Pac 10 is highly overrated, further proving my point that the entire conference has fuckall of an idea how to play defense. You can laugh about the Big Ten all you want, but we will have 2 teams in the top 5, just as the Pac Ten.

I also love how you use logic that "conference play brings out the best competition amongst teams" to boost your Pac 10, then use that very logic to discredit the SEC teams who lost in conference games.

[Boogahz]

That is a fucking laugh. UW got fucking raped when OSU came to town. And don't give me that bullshit that they were leading in the first half. Games do go 2 whole halves, in case you missed that. The result was a more sound ass beating than USC struggled to give. The Pac 10 is highly overrated, further proving my point that the entire conference has fuckall of an idea how to play defense. You can laugh about the Big Ten all you want, but we will have 2 teams in the top 5, just as the Pac Ten.

I also love how you use logic that "conference play brings out the best competition amongst teams" to boost your Pac 10, then use that very logic to discredit the SEC teams who lost in conference games.

I think we can all finally say that Winnow is a dumbass that can't even keep his own lines of reasoning straight when it involves anything in, or near, Arizona.

[Winnow]

Using "crazy logic" is the only way to get through to you brainwashed east coasters.

I'm kidding about most things, besides the Pac-10 being the the best conference in college football this year, on this thread.

No. 1 USC endured its own "scare" Saturday night at Washington -- but not really.

Yes, the final score was just 27-24, but the Trojans controlled the game for the most part, out gaining the Huskies 460-190. They did their best to keep Washington in the game thanks to two first-half turnovers that led to two Huskies touchdowns (including a 54-yard return of a John David Booty interception) as well as a staggering 16 penalties. Stafon Johnson and Chauncey Washington once again ran the ball at will, and Booty and Patrick Turner (six catches, 87 yards) connected on several big plays.

The ranked Pac-10 teams won their out of conference games while the Big Ten lost to 1-AA teams and such and their ranked team beat unranked Pac-10 teams while highly ranked Nebraska got beat down at home by USC and Oregon beat the holy crap out of #5 ranked (the previous week) Michigan, also in their own house. Another of the Big Ten's top ten teams, Penn State, has plummeted out of the top 25 just like Michigan after two straight losses.

You people are full of excuses. Pac-10 is easily the best conference in football this year.

Hopefully a team or two in the Big Ten will make it to a bowl game and play the Pac-10. It won't matter though, more excuses are already primed for the next decade...coaches playing out their legacy rights...stadiums that hold 100K that sound like a library because of dumb architects (curious who built that stadium anyway?) It wasn't USC that worked over Michigan, it was the Ducks. It's not USC that would beat down OhioSU, it's Cal.

I'd love to see an Arizona State vs OhioSU bowl game and watch the 4th best team in the Pac-10 take out the "USC" of the Big Ten.

[Sueven]

Anyone want to talk about College Football instead of stupid Pac 10 dickwaving?

This weekend should really show us that we're all a bunch of morons for thinking that we know shit after only 4 games have passed.

It also provides an interesting setup for the national title chase. Obviously, LSU and USC have the inside track. Neither team has it easy, though. USC still has three road games against ranked teams coming up (along with rivalry games against UCLA and Notre Dame... ok, maybe that second one is easy). LSU hosts Florida and travels to Kentucky and Alabama, and will then have to play in the SEC title game in order to win out. I honestly don't think that either team will go undefeated, although I have more faith in LSU.

After that, who's left? Undefeated major conference teams are Boston College, Missouri, Kansas, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Purdue, Connecticut, South Florida, Cincinnati, Arizona State, California, Kentucky.

Any of those teams look like title contenders to you?

I would be shocked if Kansas, Purdue, Connecticut, Cincinnati, Arizona State or Kentucky ran the table. Boston College isn't great but plays in the ACC, which is a big help for table-running purposes. Missouri has a nasty Nebraska/Oklahoma stretch coming up, with a few potential roadblocks further down the schedule, and a Big 12 title game to top it off. Wisconsin looks shaky. South Florida looks good, but they still have some tough games to win, and they're South Florida. Cal chokes every year. Ohio State looks like the strongest possibility. They have a pretty easy schedule this year, with Wisconsin and Penn State their lone remaining ranked opponents (and Penn State won't be ranked for more than a few more hours). The Michigan game should be winnable. Ohio State has no conference championship game to contend with.

In my mind, USC, LSU, and Ohio State have the best shots at running the table. I would be very surprised if two of them did it. This means that the door to the title game could be opened back up to a one-loss team. So, Oklahoma, Florida, and West Virginia should keep playing hard!

[Winnow]

After that, who's left? Undefeated major conference teams are Boston College, Missouri, Kansas, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Purdue, Connecticut, South Florida, Cincinnati, Arizona State, California, Kentucky.

Any of those teams look like title contenders to you?

I would be shocked if Kansas, Purdue, Connecticut, Cincinnati, Arizona State or Kentucky ran the table.

Considering Arizona State will have to beat #1 USC, #3 Cal and #11 Oregon to run the table while Ohio State has...Michigan, I'd say you're right. Both Cal and USC will have to beat both USC/Cal and Arizona St, who should be in the top 20 after this week, and #11 Oregon...good god. Any Pac-10 team's strength of schedule is off the hizzy. It's a fucking nightmare schedule in the Pac-10 to go undefeated for any team while the other conferences coast, especially OhioSU.

What other conference has to deal with:

#1 USC (undefeated)
#3 Cal (undefeated)
#11 (probably higher now) Oregon
~#20 Arizona State (undefeated)

Oh no, the Pac-10 isn't the best conference in college football this year. It would take resurrecting the four horsemen of Notre Dame and have them all agree that the Pac-10 is the best conference this year to make any headway.

[Sueven]

Holy crap Winnow, SHUT THE FUCK UP

Question for the room: How far does going undefeated get you? If South Florida is one of two undefeated teams, do they get a shot in the title game over, say, a one-loss LSU? What about Cincinnati? Kentucky?

Let's say USC runs the table. LSU loses a close game to Florida next week, but runs the table the rest of the way and beats Florida (who has also run the table) in a rematch in the SEC title game. South Florida also goes undefeated. Who plays in the title game?

[Zamtuk]

Ohio State's only shot at going to the BCS game is running the table. If we lose only once, it's all over. On topic, I would say that running the table does get you in over a 1 loss team. USF has thrown up some very impressive wins, and if undefeated, deserves to be there. Let's not forget they still have Rutgers and UL to go, and beating Auburn just looked a whole lot better. If UK runs it, there is no doubt they should be there, as with any other SEC team. OSU/Wisconsin -if undefeated- will get there by default, but will have to take shit from everyone unless they win the BCS game.

Oh and winnow, Oregon dropped in the rankings, your conference isn't all hot shit. SEC has you guys beat hands down.

[Winnow]

Oh and winnow, Oregon dropped in the rankings, your conference isn't all hot shit. SEC has you guys beat hands down.

Well, Oregon did lose a game, even if it was to a great team in Cal. ASU climbing from 23rd to 18th in the country makes up for that.

How about those Cardinals beating up on the previously undefeated Steelers this weekend!? Who's rooting for the D'Backs in the playoffs?

[Spang]

Thanks to you, I now hate the entire state of Arizona.

[Winnow]

Thanks to you, I now hate the entire state of Arizona.

Sweet. Hoping to keep people away from this state.

[Spang]

Glad I could help!