Osama transcript - 9/7/07

[Fash]

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/secti ... script.pdf

Above is the link to a PDF of the scanned transcript of the tape.

edit: Xatrei has quoted it below.

I will comment on this later, but I ask you to please not comment unless you've read it.

[Xatrei]

"All praise is due to Allah, who built the heavens and earth in justice, and created man as a favor and grace from Him. And from His ways is that the days rotate between the people, and from His Law is retaliation in kind: an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth and the killer is killed. And all praise is due to Allah, who awakened His slaves' desire for the Garden, and all of them will enter it except those who refuse. And whoever obeys Him alone in all of his affairs will enter the Garden, and whoever disobeys Him will have refused."

"As for what comes after: Peace be upon he who follows the Guidance. People of America: I shall be speaking to you on important topics which concern you, so lend me your ears. I begin by discussing the war which is between us and some of its repercussions for us and you."

"To preface, I say: despite America being the greatest economic power and possessing the most powerful and up-to-date military arsenal as well; and despite it spending on this war and is army more than the entire world spends on its armies; and despite it being the being the major state influencing the policies of the world, as if it has a monopoly on the unjust right of veto; despite all of this, 19 young men were able - by the grace of Allah, the Most High- to change the direction of its compass. And in fact, the subject of the Mujahideen has become an inseparable part of the speech of your leader, and the effects and signs of that are not hidden."

"Since the 11th, many of America's policies have come under the influence of the Mujahideen, and that is by the grace of Allah, the Most High. And as a result, the people discovered the truth about it, its reputation worsened, its prestige was broken globally and it was bled dry economically, even if our interests overlap with the interests of the major corporations and also with those of the neoconservatives, despite the differing intentions."

"And for your information media, during the first years of the war, lost its credibility and manifested itself as a tool of the colonialist empires, and its condition has often been worse than the condition of the media of the dictatorial regimes which march in the caravan of the single leader."

"Then Bush talks about his working with al-Maliki and his government to spread freedom in Iraq but he in fact is working with the leaders of one sect against another sect, in the belief that this will quickly decide the war in his favor."

"And thus, what is called the civil war came into being and matters worsened at his hands before getting out of his control and him becoming like the one who plows and sows the sea: he harvests nothing but failure."

"So these are some of the results of the freedom about whose spreading he is talking to you. And then the backtracking of Bush on his insistence on not giving the United Nations expanded jurisdiction in Iraq is an implicit admission of his loss and defeat there. "

"And among the most important items contained in Bush’s speeches since the events of the 11th is that the Americans have no option but to continue the war. This tone is in fact an echoing of the words of neoconservatives like Cheney, Rumsfeld and Richard Pearle, the latter having said previously that the Americans have no choice in front of them other than to continue the war or face a holocaust."

"I say, refuting this unjust statement, that the morality and culture of the holocaust is your culture, not our culture. In fact, burning living beings is forbidden in our religion, even if they be small like the ant, so what of man?! The holocaust of the Jews was carried out by your brethren in the middle of Europe, but had it been closer to our countries, most of the Jews would have been saved by taking refuge with us. And my proof for that is in what your brothers, the Spanish, did when they set up the horrible courts of the Inquisition to try Muslims and Jews, when the Jews only found safe shelter by taking refuge in our countries. And that is why the Jewish community in Morocco today is one of the largest communities in the world. They are alive with us and we have not incinerated them, but we are a people who don't sleep under oppression and reject humiliation and disgrace, and we take revenge on the people of tyranny and aggression, and the blood of the Muslims will not be spilled with impunity, and the morrow is nigh for he who awaits."

"Also, your Christian brothers have been living among us for 14 centuries: in Egypt alone, there are millions of Christians whom we have not incinerated and shall not incinerate. But the fact is, there is a continuing and biased campaign being waged against us for a long time now by your politicians and many of your writers by way of your media, especially Hollywood, for the purpose of misrepresenting Islam and its adherents to drive you away from the true religion. The genocide of peoples and their holocausts took place at your hands: only a few specimens of Red Indians were spared, and just a few days ago, the Japanese observed the 62nd anniversary of the annihilation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by your nuclear weapons."

"And among the things which catch the eye of the one who considers the repercussions of your unjust war against Iraq is the failure of your democratic system, despite it raising of the slogans of justice, liberty, equality and humanitarianism. It has not only failed to achieve these things, it has actually destroyed these and other concepts with its weapons - especially in Iraq and Afghanistan- in a brazen fashion, to replace them with fear, destruction, killing, hunger, illness, displacement and more than a million orphans in Baghdad alone, not to mention hundreds of thousands of widows. Americans statistics speak of the killing of more than 650,000 of the people of Iraq as a result of the war and its repercussions."

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of the tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there, which has led to the vast majority of you being afflicted with disappointment."

"And here is the gist of the matter, so one should pause, think and reflect: why have the Democrats failed to stop this war, despite them being the majority?"

"I will come back to reply to this question after raising another question, which is:"

"Why are the leaders of the White House keen to start wars and wage them around the world, and make use of every possible opportunity through which they can reach this purpose, occasionally even creating justifications based on deception and blatant lies, as you saw Iraq?"

"In the Vietnam War, the leaders of the White House claimed at the time that it was a necessary and crucial war, and during it, Rumsfeld and his aides murdered two million villagers. And when Kennedy took over the presidency and deviated from the general line of policy drawn up for the White House and wanted to stop this unjust war, that angered the owners of the major corporations who were benefiting from its continuation."

"And so Kennedy was killed, and al-Qaida wasn’t present at that time, but rather, those corporations were the primary beneficiary from his killing. And the war continued after that for approximately one decade. But after it became clear to you that it was an unjust and unnecessary war, you made one of your greatest mistakes, in that you neither brought to account nor punished those who waged this war, not even the most violent of its murderers, Rumsfeld. And even more incredible than that is that Bush picked him as secretary of defense in his first term after picking Cheney as his vice president, Powell as secretary of state and Armitage as Powell's deputy, despite their horrific and blood history of murdering humans. So that was clear signal that his administration - the administration of the generals- didn't have as its main concern the serving of humanity, but rather, was interested in bringing about new massacres. Yet in spite of that, you permitted Bush to complete his first term, and stranger still, chose him for a second term, which gave him a clear mandate from you - with your full knowledge and consent- to continue to murder our people in Iraq and Afghanistan."

"Then you claim to be innocent! This innocence of yours is like my innocence of the blood of your sons on the 11th - were I to claim such a thing. But it is impossible for me to humor any of you in the arrogance and indifference you show for the lives of humans outside America, or for me to humor your leaders in their lying, as the entire world knows they have the lion's share of that. These morals aren't our morals. What I want to emphasize here is that not taking past war criminals to account led to them repeating that crime of killing humanity without right and waging this unjust war in Mesopotamia, and as a result, here are the oppressed ones today continuing to take their right from you."

"This war was entirely unnecessary, as testified to by your own reports. And among the most capable of those from your own side who speak to you on this topic and on the manufacturing of public opinion is Noam Chomsky, who spoke sober words of advice prior to the war, but the leader of Texas doesn't like those who give advice. The entire world came out in unprecedented demonstrations to warn against waging the war and describe its true nature in eloquent terms like "no to spilling red blood for black oil," yet he paid them no heed. It is time for humankind to know that talk of the rights of man and freedom are lies produced by the White House and its allies in Europe to deceive humans, take control of their destinies and subjugate them. "

"So in answer to the question about the causes of the Democrats' failure to stop the war, I say: they are the same reasons which led to the failure of former president Kennedy to stop the Vietnam war. Those with real power and influence are those with the most capital. And since the democratic system permits major corporations to back candidates, be they presidential or congressional, there shouldn't be any cause for astonishment - and there isn't any- in the Democrats' failure to stop the war. And you're the ones who have the saying which goes, "Money talks." And I tell you: after the failure of your representatives in the Democratic Party to implement your desire to stop the war, you can still carry anti-war placards and spread out in the streets of major cities, then go back to your homes, but that will be of no use and will lead to the prolonging of the war."

"However, there are two solutions for stopping it. The first is from our side, and it is to continue to escalate the killing and fighting against you. This is our duty, and our brothers are carrying it out, and I ask Allah to grant them resolve and victory. And the second solution is from your side. It has now become clear to you and the entire world the impotence of the democratic system and how it plays with the interests of the peoples and their blood by sacrificing soldiers and populations to achieve the interests of the major corporations."

"And with that, it has become clear to all that they are the real tyrannical terrorists. In fact, the life of all of mankind is in danger because of the global warming resulting to a large degree from the emissions of the factories of the major corporations, yet despite that, the representative of these corporations in the White House insists on not observing the Kyoto accord, with the knowledge that the statistic speaks of the death and displacement of the millions of human beings because of that, especially in Africa. This greatest of plagues and most dangerous of threats to the lives of humans is taking place in an accelerating fashion as the world is being dominated by the democratic system, which confirms its massive failure to protect humans and their interests from the greed and avarice of the major corporations and their representatives."

"And despite this brazen attack on the people, the leaders of the West - especially Bush, Blair, Sarkozy and Brown- still talk about freedom and human rights with a flagrant disregard for the intellects of human beings. So is there a form of terrorism stronger, clearer and more dangerous than this? This is why I tell you: as you liberated yourselves before from the slavery of monks, kings, and feudalism, you should liberate yourselves from the deception, shackles and attrition of the capitalist system."

"If you were to ponder it well, you would find that in the end, it is a system harsher and fiercer than your systems in the Middle Ages. The capitalist system seeks to turn the entire world into a fiefdom of the major corporations under the label of "globalization" in order to protect democracy."

"And Iraq and Afghanistan and their tragedies; and the reeling of many of you under the burden of interest-related debts, insane taxes and real estate mortgages; global warming and its woes; and the abject poverty and tragic hunger in Africa: all of this is but one side of the grim face of this global system."

"So it is imperative that you free yourselves from all of that and search for an alternative, upright methodology in which it is not the business of any class of humanity to lay down its own laws to its own advantage at the expense of the other classes as is the case with you, since the essence of man-made positive laws is that they serve the interests of those with the capital and thus make the rich richer and the poor poorer."

"The infallible methodology is the methodology of Allah, the Most High, who created the heavens and earth and created the Creation and is the Most Kind and All-Informed and the Knower of the souls of His slaves and the methodology that best suits them."

"You believe with absolute certainty that you believe in Allah, and you are full of conviction of this belief, so much so that you have written this belief of yours on your dollar."

"But the truth is that you are mistake in this belief of yours. The impartial judge knows that belief in Allah requires straightness in the following of His methodology, and accordingly, total obedience must be to the orders and prohibitions of Allah Alone in all aspects of life."

"So how about you when you associate others with Him in your beliefs and separate state from religion, then claim that you are believers?!"

"What you have done is clear loss and manifest polytheism, And I will give you a parable of polytheism, as parables summarize and clarify speech."

"I tell you: its parable is the parable of a man who owns a shop and hires a worker and tells him, "Sell and give me the money," but he makes sales and give the money to someone other than the owner. So who of you would approve of that?"

"You believe that Allah is your Lord and your Creator and the Creator of this earth and that it is His property, then you work on His earth and property without His orders and without obeying Him, and you legislate in contradiction to His Law and methodology."

"This work of yours is the greatest form of polytheism and is rebellion against obedience to Allah with which the believer becomes an unbeliever, even if he obeys Allah in some of His other orders. Allah, the Most High, sent down His orders in His Sacred Books like the Torah and Evangel and sent with them the Messengers (Allah's prayers and peace be upon them) as bearers of good news to the people."

"And everyone who believes in them and complies with them is a believer from the people of the Garden. Then when the men of knowledge altered the words of Allah, the Most High, and sold them for a paltry price, as the rabbis did with the Torah and the monks with the Evangel, Allah sent down His final Book, the magnificent Quran, and safeguarded it from being added to or subtracted from by the hands of men, and in it is a complete methodology for the lives of all people."

"And our holding firm to this magnificent Book is the secret of our strength and winning of the war against you despite the fewness of our numbers and materiel. And if you would like to get to know some of the reasons for your losing of your war against us, then read the book of Michael Scheuer in this regard."

"Don't be turned away from Islam by the terrible situation of the Muslims today, for our rulers in general abandoned Islam many decades ago, but our forefathers were the leaders and pioneers of the world for many centuries, when they held firmly to Islam."

"And before concluding, I tell you: there has been an increase in the thinkers who study events and happenings, and on the basis of their study, they have declared the approach of the collapse of the American Empire."

"Among them is the European thinker who anticipated the fall of the Soviet Union, which indeed fell. And it would benefit you to read what he wrote about what comes after the empire in regard to the United States of America. I also want to bring your attention that among the greatest reasons for the collapse of the Soviet Union was their being afflicted with their leader Brezhnev, who was overtaken by pride and arrogance and refused to look at the facts on the ground. From the first year of the Afghanistan invasion, reports indicated that the Russians were losing the war, but he refused to acknowledge this, lest it go down in his personal history as a defeat, even though refusal to acknowledge defeat not only doesn't do anything to change the facts for thinking people, but also exacerbates the problem and increases the losses. And how similar is your position today to their position approximately two decades ago. The mistakes of Brezhnev are being repeated by Bush, who - when asked about the date of his withdrawing of forces from Iraq - said in effect that the withdrawal will not be during his reign, but rather, during the reign of the one who succeeds him. And the significance of these words is not hidden."

"And here I say: it would benefit you to listen to the poignant messages of your soldiers in Iraq, who are paying - with their blood, nerves and scattered limbs - the price for these sorts of irresponsible statements. Among them is the eloquent message of Joshua which he sent by way of the media, in which he wipes the tears from his eyes and describes American politicians in harsh terms and invites them to join him there for a few days. Perhaps his message will find in you an attentive ear so you can rescue him and more than 150,000 of your sons there who are tasting the two bitterest things: "

"If they leave their barracks, the mines devour them, and if they refuse to leave, rulings are passed against them. Thus, the only options left in front of them are to commit suicide or cry, both of which are from the severest of afflictions. So is there anything more men can do after crying and killing themselves to make you respond to them? They are doing that out of the severity of the humiliation, fear and terror which they are suffering. It is severer than what the slaves used to suffer at your hands centuries ago, and it is as if some of them have gone from one slavery to another slavery more severe and harmful, even if it be in the fancy dress of the Defense Department's financial enticements."

"So do you feel the greatness of their sufferings?"

"To conclude, I invite you to embrace Islam, for the greatest mistake one can make in this world and one which is uncorrectable is to die while not surrendering to Allah, the Most High, in all aspects of one's life - ie., to die outside of Islam. And Islam means gain for you in this first life and the next, final life. The true religion is a mercy for people in their lives, filling their hearts with serenity and calm."

T"here is a message for you in the Mujahideen: the entire world is in pursuit of them, yet their hearts, by the grace of Allah, are satisfied and tranquil. The true religion also puts peoples' lives in order with its laws; protects their needs and interests; refines their morals; protects them from evils; and guarantees for them entrance into Paradise in the hereafter through their obedience to Allah and sincere worship of Him Alone."

"And it will also achieve your desire to stop the war as a consequence, because as soon as the warmongering owners of the major corporations realize that you have lost confidence in your democratic system and begun to search for an alternative, and that this alternative is Islam, they will run after you to please you and achieve what you want to steer you away from Islam. So your true compliance with Islam will deprive them of the opportunity to defraud the peoples and take their money under numerous pretexts, like arms deals and so on. "

"There are no taxes in Islam, but rather there is a limited Zakaat [alms] totaling only 2.5%. So beware of the deception of those with the capital. And with your earnest reading about Islam from its pristine sources, you will arrive at an important truth, which is that the religion of all of the Prophets (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them) is one, and that its essence is submission to the orders of Allah Alone in all aspects of life, even if their Shari'ahs [Laws] differ."

"And did you know that the name of the Prophet of Allah Jesus and his mother (peace and blessings of Allah be on them both) are mentioned in the Noble Quran dozens of times, and that in the Quran there is a chapter whose name is "Maryam," i.e. Mary, daughter of 'Imran and mother of Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them both)? It tells the story of her becoming pregnant with the Prophet of Allah Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them both), and in its confirmation of her chastity and purity, in contrast to the fabrications of the Jews against her. Whoever wishes to find that out for himself must listen to the verse of this magnificent chapter: one of the just kings of the Christians - the Negus - listened to some of its verses and his eyes welled up with tears and he said something which should be reflected on for a long time by those sincere in their search for the truth."

"He said, "verily, this and what Jesus brought come from one lantern": i.e., that the magnificent Quran and the Evangel are both from Allah, the Most High; and every just and intelligent one of you who reflects on the Quran will definitely arrive at this truth. It also must be noted that Allah has preserved the Quran from the alterations of men. And reading in order to become acquainted with Islam only requires a little effort, and those of you who are guided will profit greatly. And peace be upon he who follows the Guidance."

[Animalor]

Interesting read and quite eloquently presented.

I think this is the first time I've read a transcript of anything he had to say. I usually dismiss it outright under the assumption that it would be the usual war-mongering threats.

Seems deeply religious and concerned for humanity as long as this humanity recognises that his religion is the one true religion. Seems to be quite well educated and informed regardless.

[Winnow]

"To conclude, I invite you to embrace Islam, for the greatest mistake one can make in this world and one which is uncorrectable is to die while not surrendering to Allah, the Most High, in all aspects of one's life - ie., to die outside of Islam. And Islam means gain for you in this first life and the next, final life. The true religion is a mercy for people in their lives, filling their hearts with serenity and calm."

"There is a message for you in the Mujahideen: the entire world is in pursuit of them, yet their hearts, by the grace of Allah, are satisfied and tranquil. The true religion also puts peoples' lives in order with its laws; protects their needs and interests; refines their morals; protects them from evils; and guarantees for them entrance into Paradise in the hereafter through their obedience to Allah and sincere worship of Him Alone."

He's just another religious whack job. Whatever bullshit he spews about the U.S., some which may even be true, his alternative is promoting a fanatical belief in a religion which will always be even more dangerous and destructive than what we already have.

[Funkmasterr]

"To conclude, I invite you to embrace Islam, for the greatest mistake one can make in this world and one which is uncorrectable is to die while not surrendering to Allah, the Most High, in all aspects of one's life - ie., to die outside of Islam. And Islam means gain for you in this first life and the next, final life. The true religion is a mercy for people in their lives, filling their hearts with serenity and calm."

"There is a message for you in the Mujahideen: the entire world is in pursuit of them, yet their hearts, by the grace of Allah, are satisfied and tranquil. The true religion also puts peoples' lives in order with its laws; protects their needs and interests; refines their morals; protects them from evils; and guarantees for them entrance into Paradise in the hereafter through their obedience to Allah and sincere worship of Him Alone."

He's just another religious whack job. Whatever bullshit he spews about the U.S., some which may even be true, his alternative is promoting a fanatical belief in a religion which will always be even more dangerous and destructive than what we already have.

I agree. With this speach he is trying to feed off of the low approval rate of Bush and the war in Iraq, unfortunately for him most people can still smell fanatical religious bullshit when it's waved in front of their noses.

[Leonaerd]

"To conclude, I invite you to embrace Islam, for the greatest mistake one can make in this world and one which is uncorrectable is to die while not surrendering to Allah, the Most High, in all aspects of one's life - ie., to die outside of Islam. And Islam means gain for you in this first life and the next, final life. The true religion is a mercy for people in their lives, filling their hearts with serenity and calm."

"There is a message for you in the Mujahideen: the entire world is in pursuit of them, yet their hearts, by the grace of Allah, are satisfied and tranquil. The true religion also puts peoples' lives in order with its laws; protects their needs and interests; refines their morals; protects them from evils; and guarantees for them entrance into Paradise in the hereafter through their obedience to Allah and sincere worship of Him Alone."

He's just another religious whack job. Whatever bullshit he spews about the U.S., some which may even be true, his alternative is promoting a fanatical belief in a religion which will always be even more dangerous and destructive than what we already have.

I agree. With this speach he is trying to feed off of the low approval rate of Bush and the war in Iraq, unfortunately for him most people can still smell fanatical religious bullshit when it's waved in front of their noses.

Most people are fanatically religious. Hence war.

[Kluden]

He lost me when he said "global warming"...


Seriously though, its nothing new. Its all rehashed things that others have said. Then, to boot, he insults anyone of any other religion...so it immediately discredits anything he might have a point on. This was like an add for Islam. I read it again and skipped all the lines that refer to "one true religion", "allah", "islam", "the quran", and the transcript reads as someone pleading for acceptance of killing people (innocent on both sides) just because its the easiest way to get someone back.

[Fash]

You should all know by now I'm against religion and fanatics in general...

I guess the only reason I'm biting on this transcript is the way he characterizes:

* the majority of the US wanting to end the war, allegedly.
* the democrats being elected to the majority specifically to end the war, allegedly.
* the democrats not ending the war.
* corporations being in control of the government as far back as vietnam, allegedly.

I've been on this path for a while... seeing capitalism as something that made this country great, while globalization and greed lead it towards total ignorance and total control at the same time.
(in another vein, i see religion the same way.. it was important, it united us and made humanity great, and now it fails us miserably and divides us)

It seems the days of honor and nobility are gone, when people did the right thing and helped out their neighbor just because. I see it all too often... everyone has a price, allegedly, and if it would better them, would willingly subject everyone else to an ass-fucking... Honestly I would rather be poor, or dead, than unfairly profit from the struggle of others.

Is it really impossible to have some amalgam of governmental attributes that could be incorruptible?

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Is it really impossible to have some amalgam of governmental attributes that could be incorruptible?

Yes. The folks in government now would have to vote against themselves.

[Asheran Mojomaster]

You know, reading that, I have to rethink my feelings towards the man. If he indeed is the one responsible for 9\11 then that is unforgivable and he deserves death for that. But I do believe that all he does is for what he believes is right. For his religion. And he even tries to tie in the fact that all of the big religions; Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all derived from the same people, texts, and "god" or Allah as Muslims call it. He understands that it is not the American people who are causing all of these problems he sees, its the people in charge, and the leaders of the corrupt major corporations.

Honestly, he seems very intelligent and has many things in common with some of the better leaders of the past, but at the same time his fanaticism keeps him from reaching his potential lol. I honestly think that without the religion aspect he could have risen to become a great leaders in the Middle East. One that truly understands the woes of the people. Too bad he went the wrong direction with it and fucked everything up now.

Or maybe I am just high.

[Spang]

Beliefs are dangerous. Religion scares me.

[Animalor]

You know, reading that, I have to rethink my feelings towards the man. If he indeed is the one responsible for 9\11 then that is unforgivable and he deserves death for that. But I do believe that all he does is for what he believes is right. For his religion. And he even tries to tie in the fact that all of the big religions; Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all derived from the same people, texts, and "god" or Allah as Muslims call it. He understands that it is not the American people who are causing all of these problems he sees, its the people in charge, and the leaders of the corrupt major corporations.

Honestly, he seems very intelligent and has many things in common with some of the better leaders of the past, but at the same time his fanaticism keeps him from reaching his potential lol. I honestly think that without the religion aspect he could have risen to become a great leaders in the Middle East. One that truly understands the woes of the people. Too bad he went the wrong direction with it and fucked everything up now.

Or maybe I am just high.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Winnow]

Bin Laden, reading replies similar to the ones above this post on the net, is sitting back saying, "mission accomplished!"

He could take out the Sears Tower next, followed up by some religious BS, and you guys would say, "Hey! He's not so bad!" Sucks that you lost your mom this time in the attack! Maybe if you join Islam you can get a heads up on the following attack so you can get your relatives out of harm's way. I think a nice guy like Bin would do that for someone joining Islam and following the Quran to the letter.

[Animalor]

Noone is forgiving him nor saying that he's a good guy, but then again you can't blindly go about calling him a monster yet turning a blind eye at what is happening in places like Iraq because of the decisions of your administration and call it good.

Here's no good and evil here, just men with strong convictions and the willingness to kill for them.

I enjoyed reading the transcript for the simple fact that now I understand how the man thinks a bit better. I'm not about to hop on a plane to Pakistan to join him.

[Canoe]

Noone is forgiving him nor saying that he's a good guy, but then again you can't blindly go about calling him a monster yet turning a blind eye at what is happening in places like Iraq because of the decisions of your administration and call it good.

I don't think I've read anything in this thread saying the decisions of our administration are good - He's still a monster.

Yes he's intelligent - but so was Hitler, doesn't make them any less of a monster.

[Markulas]

"And here is the gist of the matter, so one should pause, think and reflect: why have the Democrats failed to stop this war, despite them being the majority?"

Osama needs to learn what a veto is and how many votes are needed for a 2/3 majority. Idiot.

[Aslanna]

Bin Laden, reading replies similar to the ones above this post on the net, is sitting back saying, "mission accomplished!"

He could take out the Sears Tower next, followed up by some religious BS, and you guys would say, "Hey! He's not so bad!" Sucks that you lost your mom this time in the attack! Maybe if you join Islam you can get a heads up on the following attack so you can get your relatives out of harm's way.

I thought the government was responsible for 9/11? I'm getting so confused over here!

[Winnow]

Bin Laden, reading replies similar to the ones above this post on the net, is sitting back saying, "mission accomplished!"

He could take out the Sears Tower next, followed up by some religious BS, and you guys would say, "Hey! He's not so bad!" Sucks that you lost your mom this time in the attack! Maybe if you join Islam you can get a heads up on the following attack so you can get your relatives out of harm's way.

I thought the government was responsible for 9/11? I'm getting so confused over here!

Bin Laden and the seekrit government are in cahoots!

[Ashur]

I think they left off his remark "I want you to know that no one had less to do with this video than Jesus."

[Ashur]

Beliefs are dangerous. Religion scares me.

Beliefs and religions aren't scary. I can believe my dog is the second coming of Christ. That's just weird. It's scary when I blow up the building where you work because you don't believe it.

Extremists are scary.

[Lalanae]

I think they left off his remark "I want you to know that no one had less to do with this video than Jesus."

lol

[Asheran Mojomaster]

Yeah, I never said I supported him or even liked him. He is a horrible person and deserves to die. But I understand where he is coming from and I think in his mind he is doing what is right. Just as I think that many fanatical Christians believe they are doing the right thing when they judge other people, try to control their lives, and shove the bible down their throats. He is no different in that aspect, but I'm willing to bet he is more intelligent and educated than 99% of them.

He still should hang, or burn, or be electrocuted or something.

[Siji]

Fill in the blanks

Deaths resulting from...

George Bush's "War on Terror":
Osama Bin Laden's attacks on America:

[Midnyte_Ragebringer]

Fill in the blanks

Deaths resulting from...

George Bush's "War on Terror":
Osama Bin Laden's attacks on America:

Without the actions of Osama and AQ the other wouldn't exist. Wrap your simple little mind around that. Ignorant fuck.

[Animalor]

I'm pretty sure that regardless of AQ and Osaba, GWB would've went to Iraq anyways. He just would've had a harder time convincing the public that their safety was in peril.

[Nick]

I think they left off his remark "I want you to know that no one had less to do with this video than Jesus."

[miir]

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Deaths resulting from...

George Bush's "War on Terror":
Osama Bin Laden's attacks on America:

Without the actions of Osama and AQ the other wouldn't exist. Wrap your simple little mind around that. Ignorant fuck.

Without the actions of the US the other wouldn't exist. Wrap your simple little mind around that. Ignorant fuck.

[Somali]

I would disagree with this. While extraordinarily difficult to prove either point , I would argue that an Osama-like organization would exist irrespective of US intervention. Their level of training may or may not have been on par with the current organizations had the CIA not trained terrorist organizations in the ME during the cold war, but that is not to say that they could not have formed on their own.

Now, if you want to argue that our intervention in the middle east is the cause of the AQ direct actions on our soil, I'll concede at least a 50/50 chance that it may not have happened. The targets would have likely been more local to the Middle East, ie Europe. Its a matter of where the perceived threat to Islamic ideals initiates from.

[Siji]

Fill in the blanks

Deaths resulting from...

George Bush's "War on Terror":
Osama Bin Laden's attacks on America:

Without the actions of Osama and AQ the other wouldn't exist. Wrap your simple little mind around that. Ignorant fuck.

Without the actions of the US the other wouldn't exist. Wrap your simple little mind around that. Ignorant fuck.

Aww.. ignoring Midnyte leads me to missing his witty responses.

I'm ok with that.

Now how about answering the question you fuck monkey. Not that I'll see it, but maybe researching it will enlighten you and improve your mental status.

But I doubt it.