The Bourne Ulimatum

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » August 2, 2007, 12:45 pm

From the reviews I glanced at it looks like it's not that bad. One thing concerns me though:

Greengrass tops himself with each passing minute by staging terrific stunts and chases through crowded streets, buildings and rooftops. Cinematographer Oliver Wood and editor Christopher Rouse gives the film its lightning speed and jagged edges with a close, hand-held camera and quick edits while John Powell's score pulsates pure adrenaline.

It sounds like the annoying shaky camerawork that was in the second one has returned. Bummer.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » August 2, 2007, 1:08 pm

I'm sure I will enjoy the movie... but yes, i fucking hate the crack addicted camera cuts.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » August 2, 2007, 1:10 pm

Eh, it didn't bother me as much as the rest of you. I am really looking forward to this movie though. I loved the other two, and this one looks even better.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » August 2, 2007, 1:37 pm

Shaky cam makes pirated camcorder movies unwatchable....you've got the shaky movie camera combined with the shaky camcorder...too much!

I wonder if it would be possible to take one of these shaky camp movies (like The Island) and process it with image stabilizing software.

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » August 4, 2007, 3:15 pm

This movie kicks all sort of ass. Pretty intense from beginning to end, with a really good story. Oh, and the camera isn't too bad either.

Trek · Post by **Trek** » August 4, 2007, 9:36 pm

I thought it was ok, much better then the last one. Not on my 'kicks all kinds of ass' list unlike Zam

Truant · Post by **Truant** » August 5, 2007, 10:58 am

Saw it yesterday, loved it.

Was surprised how many questions were left unanswered, but looking at them...they're not really essential to the story.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 5, 2007, 11:10 am

Outstanding!

Even Julia Stiles couldn't stop this movie from being totally awesome.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 5, 2007, 7:59 pm

I haven't really liked the "Bourne" series. I just can't stand Matt Damon trying to be a tough guy ever since Good Will Hunting. He's a good "serious" actor, and a good comedy actor (Dogma), but not particularly believable in an action heroey role.

Still, this one looks like it could be the most interesting one, so I will probably check it out anyway.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 7, 2007, 3:46 pm

I used to feel the same way but now I think Matt Damon is one of the best (if not THE best) action stars.
My opinion of him increased TENFOLD when he ditched Ben Affleck.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » August 7, 2007, 4:09 pm

Nick wrote:I haven't really liked the "Bourne" series. I just can't stand Matt Damon trying to be a tough guy ever since Good Will Hunting. He's a good "serious" actor, and a good comedy actor (Dogma), but not particularly believable in an action heroey role.

Still, this one looks like it could be the most interesting one, so I will probably check it out anyway.

Uh, he's supposed to be a guy who can blend into a crowd until while he watches his target to find weaknesses, then slip in unnoticed and whack em. Not some Terminator-type who drives into a building with a trenchcoat full of assault weapons and kills everything that moves.

IMO, Damon was perfect for this role.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 7, 2007, 4:13 pm

Uh, ok, grats on your different opinion I guess.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 7, 2007, 4:17 pm

Nick wrote:Uh, ok, grats on your different opinion I guess.

Shouldn't you be watching SCREW LOOSE CHANGE????

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 7, 2007, 4:54 pm

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » August 8, 2007, 12:00 am

masteen wrote:
Nick wrote:I haven't really liked the "Bourne" series. I just can't stand Matt Damon trying to be a tough guy ever since Good Will Hunting. He's a good "serious" actor, and a good comedy actor (Dogma), but not particularly believable in an action heroey role.

Still, this one looks like it could be the most interesting one, so I will probably check it out anyway.
Uh, he's supposed to be a guy who can blend into a crowd until while he watches his target to find weaknesses, then slip in unnoticed and whack em. Not some Terminator-type who drives into a building with a trenchcoat full of assault weapons and kills everything that moves.

IMO, Damon was perfect for this role.

Heh, I actually saw a quote from Matt Damon that compared him to Brad Pitt. It went something like, "he was in Prague and couldn't even walk down the street without crowds of paparazzi. I was here for 6 months before someone even asked me for an autograph." Which fit into your description perfectly.

Personally, I buy into him being an action star. He is a great enough actor that he could probably play anything. Yeah, he was a bitch in Good Will Hunting, but he was also a racist in School Ties before that, so I think he established he has range.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 8, 2007, 10:54 am

I just don't really think the "Spy" one is his particular forté. I do like him as an actor but don't quite see why he keeps doing these undercovery type things (Departed/Bourne) when he does have, as you say, great range.

Just my thoughts.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 8, 2007, 5:17 pm

C'MON. C'MON.
FEEL IT. FEEL IT.
FEEL THE VIBRATION.

Post by **Sylvus** » August 8, 2007, 5:27 pm

OOOOH-OOOOH

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » August 8, 2007, 5:49 pm

Fairweather Pure wrote:C'MON. C'MON.
FEEL IT. FEEL IT.
FEEL THE VIBRATION.

Shouldn't this go in the Shooter thread?

Truant · Post by **Truant** » August 8, 2007, 9:07 pm

Nick wrote:I just don't really think the "Spy" one is his particular forté. I do like him as an actor but don't quite see why he keeps doing these undercovery type things (Departed/Bourne) when he does have, as you say, great range.

Just my thoughts.

and that's cool...you're entitled to your opinion.

Why won't you let anyone have one though?

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » August 8, 2007, 9:09 pm

Boogahz wrote:
Fairweather Pure wrote:C'MON. C'MON.
FEEL IT. FEEL IT.
FEEL THE VIBRATION.

Shouldn't this go in the Shooter thread?

Haha, yeah it should! I was reading 2 threads at once, I swear. Well, kudos to you for knowing the song and artist!

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 8, 2007, 10:32 pm

Truant wrote:
Nick wrote:I just don't really think the "Spy" one is his particular forté. I do like him as an actor but don't quite see why he keeps doing these undercovery type things (Departed/Bourne) when he does have, as you say, great range.

Just my thoughts.
and that's cool...you're entitled to your opinion.

Why won't you let anyone have one though?

Yes Truant I've obviously banned everyone for having a different opinion

I got pissy with Masteen purely because of his "uh" at the start of his sentence, nothing more nothing less.

rhyae · Post by **rhyae** » August 9, 2007, 10:00 am

He was amazingly creepy in The Talented Mister Ripley. That's range.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » August 9, 2007, 8:08 pm

Oddly enough, thats actually on here right now on Channel 4 (uk) as I read this. It is a great show.

Post by **Sylvus** » August 10, 2007, 2:01 am

One of my friends mentioned tonight, and I guess I never really thought about it, but Matt Damon almost always plays like a supergenius in every movie he's in. Mr. Ripley, Good Will Hunting, Bourne... I think there was another one. But that's the kind of typecasting that I think I would want to do to myself.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » August 10, 2007, 1:28 pm

That camera might be good for short bursts of instantaneous action, but when used throughout the movie it becomes too difficult to keep track of locations and distances and direction and other tangibly important things.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » August 10, 2007, 1:57 pm

It probably isn't too bad in the theater, but on the horrible camcorder version i watched it was annoying. great fucking movie, though, i think i'll go support it and see it in the theater now.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » August 10, 2007, 2:06 pm

There was only one scene that I felt the camera techniques ruined, but it was a very short one. I was talking with a 72 year old woman that sat next to me after the film, and she had no issues with the "shaking" filming at all. She said that her only complaint was that she didn't see Matt Damon get his shirt torn off.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 10, 2007, 3:22 pm

There was only one scene that I felt the camera techniques ruined

The fight between Bourne and Desh?

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » August 10, 2007, 3:32 pm

miir wrote:
There was only one scene that I felt the camera techniques ruined
The fight between Bourne and Desh?

No, the one with Julia Stiles coloring/cutting her hair in the bathroom.

miir · Post by **miir** » August 10, 2007, 3:37 pm

Boogahz wrote:
miir wrote:
There was only one scene that I felt the camera techniques ruined
The fight between Bourne and Desh?
No, the one with Julia Stiles coloring/cutting her hair in the bathroom.

Ah..
I found the camerawork a bit distracting in the fight scene I mentioned.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » August 10, 2007, 6:02 pm

I could internally justify the camera work during the action sequences. I could see things becoming blurs and flashes during a struggle like the one you mention. Same with the chase scenes. The one I had an issue with was one of the few scenes which had VERY little tension associated with it. Yes, she knew why she was trying to change her appearance, but this was also one of the few "breathers" that they had during the film.

Drinsic Darkwood · Post by **Drinsic Darkwood** » August 12, 2007, 3:56 am

It was a really good movie, but it could have been a fucking great movie if they would just get someone other than Michael J. Fox to film it. When I see an action movie, I want to see the action. I don't want to see a bunch of blurs and leave the action to my own assumptions.

I hate when people say it's immersive or that it makes the viewer feel like they're right there. If you were watching two assassins duke it out, would you be hopping around them, ducking, twisting, and turning like a goddamn crackhead? No, assuming you stay in their vacinity, you would probably stand and watch in awe/horror/amazement/whatever. You know, sort of like Julia Stiles while Bourne and Desh were kicking each others' asses in the bathroom. To me it's always seemed like some cheap-ass way to avoid precise combat choreography or the shortcomings of the actors involved.

Anyway, the camera work wasn't as bad as the Bourne Supremacy. It's still a good movie, and worth seeing in theaters. Damon kicked ass, even if it was hard to see.

Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » August 14, 2007, 3:30 pm

It was a really good movie, but it could have been a fucking great movie if they would just get someone other than Michael J. Fox to film it.

Somali · Post by **Somali** » August 15, 2007, 1:24 pm

Any of you read the book for this?

All the previews for it seem to have it set it NYC and I'm trying to figure out how the fook that has to do with anything.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » August 15, 2007, 2:26 pm

Somali wrote:Any of you read the book for this?

All the previews for it seem to have it set it NYC and I'm trying to figure out how the fook that has to do with anything.

Without giving away any more than the previews already do: It is set in multiple countries as Bourne tracks down the "program" to find out who he is and get back at them for what they made him.

Kaldaur · Post by **Kaldaur** » August 15, 2007, 3:02 pm

Don't look for there to be a strong parallel between the books and movies. From what I've heard, the movies barely follow the books at all.

Ransure · Post by **Ransure** » August 19, 2007, 5:45 pm

This movie is similar to the book in name only. Although I liked it... it has nothing to do with the book.

I just finished the Bourne Legacy by Eric Von Lustbader, and I actually think he did a pretty good job with it, even though his writing style is far different from Ludlum.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · September 9, 2007, 10:07 pm

Just saw it last night. Fucking great movie. I can't wait for the next one. Bourne is so much better than Bond, and I love Bond.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 9, 2007, 10:27 pm

What makes you think there will be another one?

Damon told me that he doesn’t want to do another Bourne movie. He doesn’t see the point. “What is Bourne going to do in the next movie,” he asked. “Look for his car keys?”

I guess maybe if they paid him enough... Or if they got someone else. But I don't see that working.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » September 10, 2007, 3:01 am

Aslanna wrote:What makes you think there will be another one?

Damon told me that he doesn’t want to do another Bourne movie. He doesn’t see the point. “What is Bourne going to do in the next movie,” he asked. “Look for his car keys?”
I guess maybe if they paid him enough... Or if they got someone else. But I don't see that working.

I don't think there should be another one and I don't think there will be.... but they certainly could make one. Any writer worth half a shit could concoct a story about somebody from one of his older missions coming back to haunt him.