Siji whines about a rootkit that doesn't exist here!

[Fash]

edit: nothing to see here...

edit2: not my title!! don't look at me!

[Siji]

Go go Sony!

Link

[Winnow]

There are a lot of morons that keep saying Bioshock is installing a rootkit which it isn't.

Buy the game, stick in on a shelf, and then grab the hacked version. Follow this up by whining away on the official Bioshock forums about all of the injustices of the world. DRM is only an issue if it can't be hacked. If it can be hacked or for dopey people that can't figure out how to hack it. They will eventually change their strategy to something else as they are starting to do with non DRM mp3 sales now at Walmart (everyone's favorite store has figured it out) and slowly at other outlets.

"Wal-Mart has hopped on the DRM-free bandwagon with today's announcement that it will be participating in Universal's DRM-free sales pilot. The quality looks good: 256Kbps MP3 for 94 cents apiece, but customers are likely to be turned off by the retail chain's continued censorship. 'It's a bit hard to believe that all the customers who shop at the world's largest retailer want censored versions of music, though, but that's what they get. Only edited versions of albums with parental advisories are available, just as they are in Wal-Mart's offline stores. This isn't a new policy; Wal-Mart's online music store has carried only edited versions for years, but it's worth pointing out to potential new users tempted by the lower prices and lack of DRM.'"

Now, all that's needed is non DRM'd MP3's from a non censored source for the ganster rapper fans.

Not sure why you posted this in the mild spoilers thread. Nice heads up on finding the right Bioshock thread! With the short time it takes for a one-liner post, there should be plenty of extra time to create a fancy new topic or find a DRM related thread.

[Siji]

There are a lot of morons that keep saying Bioshock is installing a rootkit which it isn't.

Right.. all the news and blog sites are wrong and Winnow is right. How silly of me!

Not sure why you posted this in the mild spoilers thread. Nice heads up on finding the right Bioshock thread! With the short time it takes for a one-liner post, there should be plenty of extra time to create a fancy new topic or find a DRM related thread.

Perhaps, you stupid fucking waste of sperm, because it's a Bioshock thread and the link was Bioshock related. I could have been a fucking obtuse jackass like you usually are and posted article after article of text talking about the DRM issues related to the game this thread is about. Or better yet, let's include the video itself! Joy!

Good thing you included completely non-Bioshock related WalMart fucktardery. Then again, veering off topic seems to be your fucking specialty.

[Winnow]

There are a lot of morons that keep saying Bioshock is installing a rootkit which it isn't.

Right.. all the news and blog sites are wrong and Winnow is right. How silly of me!

It's not a rootkit. As soon as you find that out, come back and apologize for being so stupid. You're going to have to use your mad net skillz to find out on your own.

I'm not going to help you out on this one. It's more entertaining to watch you make a jackass of yourself.



pssst,

Here's a hint for everyone else!

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 ... otkit.html

[Niffoni]

2K responded with a program that lets you remove the activation crap after you uninstall BioShock for the tinfoil hat crowd.

Yeah yeah, the activation is bullshit. But really, if this is your idea of injustice, I want to live in your world.

[Funkmasterr]

Go go Sony!

Link

If your intention was to say that Sony is going to look any better because of this happening, you are comletely insane. Bioshock is a better game than anything out on the PS3, and probably better than anything on it for the next 2 years. Sony has botched up way too bad to have any hope of feeding off of this.

[Aslanna]

Go go Sony!

Link

If your intention was to say that Sony is going to look any better because of this happening, you are comletely insane. Bioshock is a better game than anything out on the PS3, and probably better than anything on it for the next 2 years. Sony has botched up way too bad to have any hope of feeding off of this.

/whoosh!

Sony are the makers of the SecurROM 'technology'. Which punishes the legitimate users whereas people who download it wont have a problem.

And to Winnow, if you actually watch the link it mentions nothing about a rootkit. It's about the DRM issues in general.

[Winnow]

And to Winnow, if you actually watch the link it mentions nothing about a rootkit. It's about the DRM issues in general.

I didn't say Siji or the video referred to a rootkit in my first post about this and I did watch the boring video. To paraphrase, I said a lot of people not knowing what they were talking about were spamming the net that Bioshock is installing a rootkit. Siji then made a stupid comment following up that post, quoting my text, saying I was wrong in his typical cynical manner so I set him straight.

Case closed!

There are a lot of morons that keep saying Bioshock is installing a rootkit which it isn't.

Right.. all the news and blog sites are wrong and Winnow is right. How silly of me!

[Fash]

I'm with Winnow on this one, it's not a rootkit and the whole rumor started because 1 guy wanted hits on his website.

You probably didn't catch it, but a long lost poster re-surfaced to post about the rootkit but realized it was false and removed the post while I was replying. hence my 'nothing to see here' edit above.

[noel]

It's not a rootkit at all. It was one guy who basically admitted he wanted hits on his website.

[Aslanna]

For reference Winnow is the one who brought up 'rootkit' not anyone else. If Siji was on the ball he would have called Winnow out on that. The link Siji posted had nothing (absolutely nothing!) to do with any supposed rootkit.

And yes I saw the mysterious post that then vanished a few minutes later.

[Winnow]

For reference Winnow is the one who brought up 'rootkit' not anyone else. If Siji was on the ball he would have called Winnow out on that. The link Siji posted had nothing (absolutely nothing!) to do with any supposed rootkit.

And yes I saw the mysterious post that then vanished a few minutes later.

I was adding additional information to the change in topic that Siji blindsided the previously well flowing Bioshock game play discussion with. Siji's one-liner post linking two very boring people that took ten minutes to get out about ten seconds of information and opinion after all the crying drama was thrown in could have been summarized with one sentence here instead of a lame link.

My post was more related to the post above it than Siji's initial post had to do with the flow of the thread.

What mysterious post vanished? From me?

The Bioshock team has been quick to respond in a positive way to any whining about the game (field of view, etc), and concerns about the copy protection scheme.

[Funkmasterr]

Ok, let's drop it before the thread about the best game of the year gets reduced to bickering!

Bioshock owns, please discuss!

[Siji]

to the change in topic that Siji blindsided the previously well flowing Bioshock game play discussion with. Siji's one-liner post linking two very boring people that took ten minutes to get out about ten seconds of information and opinion after all the crying drama was thrown in could have been summarized with one sentence here instead of a lame link.

Welcome to how 99% of VV feels about 99% of your posts. The difference being, if this were a PS3 thread, or an iPod thread, and it were you posting - it would have been full of off-topic quotes from various sources of fucktardery that only jackholes like you quote. Maybe I need to post a dozen stock quotes for the creators of Bioshock along with several quotes of reviews about how it would suck on the PS3. I bet if I looked hard enough I could find some way to tie in a reason that this will hurt Apple and then I could post some stock quotes and histories from them too!

[Winnow]

Welcome to how 99% of VV feels about 99% of your posts.

Miss kyoukan so much that you're going to start stealing its, "I speak for everyone and will make up random numbers!" tactics now?

The real story here is the Bioshock developers responding right away to concerns about protection and viewing aspects, both of which are trivial compared to the overall greatness of the game:

2K Loosens Restrictions On BioShock DRM
By Chris Kohler EmailAugust 23, 2007 | 10:30:59 PMCategories: PC Gaming

In response to complaints that the copy protection on the PC version of BioShock was too restrictive, 2K Games has decided to give gamers a little more slack when it comes to installing the acclaimed FPS title.

The number of different machines that one user will be able to install the game on will go from 3 to 5, and the number of times a user can install the game on a single machine will go from 2 to 5.

In the event that players still have issues, 2K says that SecuROM, the company who created the copy protection software, "has been given much more autonomy" to fix any problems.

Widescreen Patch Coming for BioShock

Posted by Andrew on Thursday, August 23rd, 2007 at 9:49 pm under 2K Games, Microsoft, Computer
Tagged: Bioshock and widescreen

Because everything looks better in widescreen. At this point, players playing BioShock in widescreen are actually getting less picture. Instead of expanding the field-of-view to see more on the sides, the image is simply cut on top and bottom and zoomed in.

A new patch is being developed to fix this problem on PCs, so that gamers will see more and not less. According to lead programmer Chris Kline on the 2K Forum site, “The game will render in full 16:9 aspect ratio, with no letterboxing unless your resolution is not true 16:9…. You will see more in widescreen. We use a different projection matrix; there is no squashing or stretching of the image involved.”

Apparently a similar patch is under investigation for the Xbox 360 as well.

Both of these responses from 2K came the same week of the game's release. The only reason these things have come up is because of the popularity of the game. Issues on this level would probably slip by unnoticed in a ho hum PS3 game.

If you screw up installing the game on five computers, you can always ask someone who knows how to use one for help.

[Aslanna]

I just find this ironic since noel was the original poster about a rootkit that didn't exist. Sure he deleted it not long after but it's still funny!

[noel]

When the news first broke, there was no retraction, or alternate opinion. It was, there's a root kit, it's part of SecuROM, and it installs with Bioshock.

As soon as I saw the retraction, and the clarification, I removed the post, which no one had replied to anyway. I assumed that anyone else with a brain (especially two days later) would have the wherewithal to also do their own research and learn that there is in fact no rootkit.

[Funkmasterr]

When the news first broke, there was no retraction, or alternate opinion. It was, there's a root kit, it's part of SecuROM, and it installs with Bioshock.

As soon as I saw the retraction, and the clarification, I removed the post, which no one had replied to anyway. I assumed that anyone else with a brain (especially two days later) would have the wherewithal to also do their own research and learn that there is in fact no rootkit.

You know better then that.

[Tuberok]

http://www.twitchguru.com/2007/08/27/bioshock_drm/

An article that states technically bioshock does not install a rootkit... Still leaves interpretation open...

Also, many gamers on various forums have referred to the SecuROM copy protection software as having a rootkit. Technically, the software is not a rootkit. Microsoft's RootKitRevealer software tool identifies the DRM software as a possible rootkit, and it's easy to see why it would be viewed as such - the software installs null keys in the registry that are extremely difficult to remove. Uninstalling the full game, the demo and SecuROM itself will not remove the SecuROM keys from a machine. Still, the copy protection software is not a rootkit.

But here's the problem: 2K Games' FAQ states that "SecuROM does not use any rootkit technology in its implementation. While the SecuROM application may not contain an actual rootkit, stating that the software doesn't contain any "rootkit technology" can be debated, since the registry entries use techniques commonly found in rootkits that prevent removal. Here's the full response from the FAQ: "SecuROM DOES NOT USE any root kit technology in its implementation. SecuROM Product Activation does place a folder and registry keys on your system. These folders are used only for storage of license information and information to assist with disc authentication. Please do not modify or delete these files. Tampering with these files may result in authentication issues."

[Hesten]

There are a lot of morons that keep saying Bioshock is installing a rootkit which it isn't.

Buy the game, stick in on a shelf, and then grab the hacked version. Follow this up by whining away on the official Bioshock forums about all of the injustices of the world. DRM is only an issue if it can't be hacked. If it can be hacked or for dopey people that can't figure out how to hack it. They will eventually change their strategy to something else as they are starting to do with non DRM mp3 sales now at Walmart (everyone's favorite store has figured it out) and slowly at other outlets.

I did that with Dreamfall. I wanted the nice special edition with artbook and CDs, but it had the Starforce copy protection on it, and i absolutely refuse to infect my PC with that, so had to download a US version some nice guy collected to be 1 DVD instead of 6 CDs, then wait for my original game to show up later on so i could enjoy the art book