Supporting the troops?

[Funkmasterr]

I have a question for the people who oppose the war, but have hope that one day the world can be a better place free of terrorism. How do you propose we (the U.S.) go about trying to make this happen. Or do you think that somehow it's going to happen without the U.S's involvement? If so, please elaborate on that as well. No I am not trolling, this is a serious question.

[miir]

Well to start, stop invading and and occupying predominantly muslim nations.

[Zaelath]

From a military blog site, this guy returned from a year in Afghanistan:
I believe these are the most important lessons I learned from my year in Afghanistan.

Most Americans have no clue about the sacrifices tens of thousands of American servicemen and women are making every day. Yes, they know about the ultimate sacrifice made by those who will not come home, the media and politicians love to tell us the latest ‘body count.’ Don’t misunderstand, those who have paid the ultimate price should be honored, but using their numbers for political ends is not honoring them. It is the rest of us, those who go over and serve and come home, that I am talking about. Most Americans have no clue what we sacrifice, and it seems they just don’t care. As long as they can stuff their fat faces with all the food they can see, watch the crap that passes as news and entertainment on T.V., and gossip about imbeciles like Paris Hilton, they are content with life. If it doesn’t affect their little bubble, no thought is given to what others are sacrificing so they can live in that bubble.

Americans have no clue about how important this fight is! America is involved in one of the most important fights it has ever faced! I don’t believe this is hyperbole, it is the truth. The ‘war on terrorism’ is as important as WWII and the Revolutionary War. I know there are many who will discount this, but it is my belief that it is true. The erroneous belief so many have about the importance of this fight comes from a total lack of understanding about what we are fighting against. This is a war against an ideology inextricably intertwined with a culture that cannot coexist with ours or any other that is not like theirs. I know that is not politically correct to say, but it is the truth. Most in the West, in general, and America in particular, have no clue how different the Middle East is from the West and how that reality impacts this fight. It is not our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, or George W. Bush that motivates them and creates the hate they feel; those are just convenient excuses for those who don’t understand. What they hate is US. It is our freedom, it is our liberalism, and our acceptance of all forms of religion. In Afghanistan, and Iraq (I have never been to Iraq, but cannot imagine it is much different there), it is as close to ‘group think’ as is possible. Everyone, for the most part, is Muslim; no one is allowed to be any different without becoming something less of a citizen, and we know what happens to Muslims who convert to another religion (the guy in Afghanistan they wanted to execute because he had converted to Christianity). In a society in which everyone must believe the same thing, it is impossible to have freedom of thought and more importantly, expression; because people might be persuaded to think something other then the ‘party’ line from which the power-holders derive their power and control. They hate our religions, or absence of religion, but more importantly, they hate our ability to freely express what we believe; whether that expression is a belief in a certain religion or an idea that is not the view of the majority. It is not as simple as we pull out of the Middle East and they leave us alone; that will never happen. Understand, in the world view of many in the Middle East, the world is to be conquered, and once conquered, people will convert to their ideology, become a second-class citizen, or die. There is no compromise; they either destroy us or we destroy them. It is that simple. Until that ideology goes through its own reformation and progresses, this fight will never end; if we pull out, it will just be fought here instead of over there.

Oh, one last thing I learned; it is good to be home!


- Mike

I wandered into the neighbours house the other day cause I heard the husband might have WMD, or was beating his wife, or growing some dope, hey look there's a monkey over there!

Anyway, so I turkey slapped the wife, shot the husband, accidentally shot one of their kids (hell, they have three, well had), ate all their food, invited my mates over to drink all their booze, and hung about for 5 years while we held votes on who should be the new daddy after I leave.

It turns out, they hate me for my tolerance. Isn't that wierd?!

[Funkmasterr]

Well to start, stop invading and and occupying predominantly muslim nations.

Again, it was a serious question. Terrorism was a problem before this war, it was a problem before 9-11. If people want to live in a more peaceful world (see what I said above that you chose not to take seriously), these people are going to need to be changed (not gonna happen) or killed. That is unless someone has a better plan, hence the question I posed.

In my mind, the bottom line is the extremists all have to go, the world will NOT be a peaceful place for anyone while they exist, ignoring it will not make it go away. Do I know the best way to go about things, absolutely not. I just figured since there were so many all-knowing people here, someone has to have an answer.

[Funkmasterr]

From a military blog site, this guy returned from a year in Afghanistan:
I believe these are the most important lessons I learned from my year in Afghanistan.

Most Americans have no clue about the sacrifices tens of thousands of American servicemen and women are making every day. Yes, they know about the ultimate sacrifice made by those who will not come home, the media and politicians love to tell us the latest ‘body count.’ Don’t misunderstand, those who have paid the ultimate price should be honored, but using their numbers for political ends is not honoring them. It is the rest of us, those who go over and serve and come home, that I am talking about. Most Americans have no clue what we sacrifice, and it seems they just don’t care. As long as they can stuff their fat faces with all the food they can see, watch the crap that passes as news and entertainment on T.V., and gossip about imbeciles like Paris Hilton, they are content with life. If it doesn’t affect their little bubble, no thought is given to what others are sacrificing so they can live in that bubble.

Americans have no clue about how important this fight is! America is involved in one of the most important fights it has ever faced! I don’t believe this is hyperbole, it is the truth. The ‘war on terrorism’ is as important as WWII and the Revolutionary War. I know there are many who will discount this, but it is my belief that it is true. The erroneous belief so many have about the importance of this fight comes from a total lack of understanding about what we are fighting against. This is a war against an ideology inextricably intertwined with a culture that cannot coexist with ours or any other that is not like theirs. I know that is not politically correct to say, but it is the truth. Most in the West, in general, and America in particular, have no clue how different the Middle East is from the West and how that reality impacts this fight. It is not our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, or George W. Bush that motivates them and creates the hate they feel; those are just convenient excuses for those who don’t understand. What they hate is US. It is our freedom, it is our liberalism, and our acceptance of all forms of religion. In Afghanistan, and Iraq (I have never been to Iraq, but cannot imagine it is much different there), it is as close to ‘group think’ as is possible. Everyone, for the most part, is Muslim; no one is allowed to be any different without becoming something less of a citizen, and we know what happens to Muslims who convert to another religion (the guy in Afghanistan they wanted to execute because he had converted to Christianity). In a society in which everyone must believe the same thing, it is impossible to have freedom of thought and more importantly, expression; because people might be persuaded to think something other then the ‘party’ line from which the power-holders derive their power and control. They hate our religions, or absence of religion, but more importantly, they hate our ability to freely express what we believe; whether that expression is a belief in a certain religion or an idea that is not the view of the majority. It is not as simple as we pull out of the Middle East and they leave us alone; that will never happen. Understand, in the world view of many in the Middle East, the world is to be conquered, and once conquered, people will convert to their ideology, become a second-class citizen, or die. There is no compromise; they either destroy us or we destroy them. It is that simple. Until that ideology goes through its own reformation and progresses, this fight will never end; if we pull out, it will just be fought here instead of over there.

Oh, one last thing I learned; it is good to be home!


- Mike

I wandered into the neighbours house the other day cause I heard the husband might have WMD, or was beating his wife, or growing some dope, hey look there's a monkey over there!

Anyway, so I turkey slapped the wife, shot the husband, accidentally shot one of their kids (hell, they have three, well had), ate all their food, invited my mates over to drink all their booze, and hung about for 5 years while we held votes on who should be the new daddy after I leave.

It turns out, they hate me for my tolerance. Isn't that wierd?!

You have outdone yourself. I mean, I have come to expect you to be an arrogant prick almost every time you open your mouth, but your little analogy here has to be the dumbest fucking thing I have read here since searyx stopped posting.

[Zaelath]

I wandered into the neighbours house the other day cause I heard the husband might have WMD, or was beating his wife, or growing some dope, hey look there's a monkey over there!

Anyway, so I turkey slapped the wife, shot the husband, accidentally shot one of their kids (hell, they have three, well had), ate all their food, invited my mates over to drink all their booze, and hung about for 5 years while we held votes on who should be the new daddy after I leave.

It turns out, they hate me for my tolerance. Isn't that wierd?!

You have outdone yourself. I mean, I have come to expect you to be an arrogant prick almost every time you open your mouth, but your little analogy here has to be the dumbest fucking thing I have read here since searyx stopped posting.

Oh, I'm sorry. Did I massively over-simplify the problem? *cough*

[miir]

Well to start, stop invading and and occupying predominantly muslim nations.

Again, it was a serious question. Terrorism was a problem before this war, it was a problem before 9-11. If people want to live in a more peaceful world (see what I said above that you chose not to take seriously), these people are going to need to be changed (not gonna happen) or killed. That is unless someone has a better plan, hence the question I posed.

In my mind, the bottom line is the extremists all have to go, the world will NOT be a peaceful place for anyone while they exist, ignoring it will not make it go away. Do I know the best way to go about things, absolutely not. I just figured since there were so many all-knowing people here, someone has to have an answer.

My answer was semi serious....
You only need look at the reasons and the history behind the people who allegedly orchestrated the 9/11 attacks.

[Fash]

I wandered into the neighbours house the other day cause I heard the husband might have WMD, or was beating his wife, or growing some dope, hey look there's a monkey over there!

Anyway, so I turkey slapped the wife, shot the husband, accidentally shot one of their kids (hell, they have three, well had), ate all their food, invited my mates over to drink all their booze, and hung about for 5 years while we held votes on who should be the new daddy after I leave.

It turns out, they hate me for my tolerance. Isn't that wierd?!

[Kilmoll the Sexy]

Well to start, stop invading and and occupying predominantly muslim nations.

Again, it was a serious question. Terrorism was a problem before this war, it was a problem before 9-11. If people want to live in a more peaceful world (see what I said above that you chose not to take seriously), these people are going to need to be changed (not gonna happen) or killed. That is unless someone has a better plan, hence the question I posed.

In my mind, the bottom line is the extremists all have to go, the world will NOT be a peaceful place for anyone while they exist, ignoring it will not make it go away. Do I know the best way to go about things, absolutely not. I just figured since there were so many all-knowing people here, someone has to have an answer.

My answer was semi serious....
You only need look at the reasons and the history behind the people who allegedly orchestrated the 9/11 attacks.

I guess I should re-read all my history books and see when we invaded Saudi Arabia and Jordan. Oh wait...no entries in there about us invading either of them. Last time we went into the Middle East on a military effort it was to save some countries in the Middle East from being rolled by Iraq.

[miir]

I bet if you think hard enough, you might figure out my point.

[Boogahz]

I bet if you think hard enough, you might figure out my point.

one-line-wonder?

[miir]

I bet if you think hard enough, you might figure out my point.

one-line-wonder?

Sup dude!

[Boogahz]

I bet if you think hard enough, you might figure out my point.

one-line-wonder?

Sup dude!

Finishing breakfast, you?