Grats Winnow on your new PS3

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » May 16, 2007, 6:16 pm

http://kotaku.com/gaming/dumb/moron-pis ... 260719.php

Grats!

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » May 17, 2007, 11:06 am

I call shenanigans. Mythbusters has busted the electric pee thing twice.

Plus if the PS2 was plugged in, who is going to let someone pee in their living room.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 17, 2007, 11:32 am

Not to mentiuon the PS3 has such crappy backward compatability (so I've heard) that you're better off keeping your PS2 if you still want to play those games.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » May 17, 2007, 11:49 am

Sabek wrote:I call shenanigans. Mythbusters has busted the electric pee thing twice.

Plus if the PS2 was plugged in, who is going to let someone pee in their living room.

Well, it WAS at college. Maybe a frat, maybe a dorm!

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » May 17, 2007, 12:20 pm

The PS3 has flawless backward compatibility. There is no difference between it and a PS2.

The Xbox 360 is the one that has shitty backward compat. MS gave up trying to fix it.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 17, 2007, 12:25 pm

Your PS3 has flawless back compat.

The version in europe and the ones that will hit the NA and Japanese markets soonish that won't have the Emotion Engine in it anymore have the same problems that the 360 has now.

Sony is moving to software emulation to cut costs. You better hope that your PS3 holds up and you don't get a refurb sans-EE in the future.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » May 17, 2007, 12:28 pm

it will still have better compatibility than that fucking overheating noisemaker you rub up against your crotch every evening.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 17, 2007, 12:50 pm

Backwards compatibility and Folding...now there's something to hang your hat on!

The 360 will do just fine selling units for the usual stupid reasons...you know...lots of new game releases to play.

Maybe the PS3 will be there in ~~2007~~..errrr ~~2008~~...hmm, for the advertising department's sake, lets go with 20xx.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 17, 2007, 1:03 pm

I just don't see why people can't admit that the PS3 is garbage and is going to fail. It is right in front of your face, there are plenty of contributing factors, just face it.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 17, 2007, 1:37 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:I just don't see why people can't admit that the PS3 is garbage and is going to fail. It is right in front of your face, there are plenty of contributing factors, just face it.

I don't think the PS3 will fail. Will it do less well than the PS2 did? I think so. Will it do better than the 360 eventually? I think so as well.

They have brand name recognition, legions of faithful devs that eventually will start churning out exclusives again and the hardware to last the system 6-8 years easily.

What is comes down to is that Sony's strategy is definately not favorable for the early adopters and the platform does truly become a better value 2-3 years into the lifecycle of the product.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 17, 2007, 2:19 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:I just don't see why people can't admit that the PS3 is garbage and is going to fail. It is right in front of your face, there are plenty of contributing factors, just face it.

Using your criteria, the Xbox 360 is also garbage and is going to fail....

The truth is that the PS3 will do just fine.
It's sales are comparable to the 360 in the same post release timeframe.
Six months after release, the 360 wasn't exactly burning up the sales charts, but it's doing ok now.

If you look at the sales figures by month, the PS3 outsold the 360 in months 2 and 3 after release, they were near identical in month 4 and the 360 had a slight advantage in month 5.

Both companies have made mistakes and their console sales (besides the PS2) are obviously not doing as well as predicted... but the PS3 has a strong foothold in Asia and the 360s strength lies in the American market.

I suspect the sales will be pretty close for the remainder of the year with the usual ebb and flow based on big name game releases.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 17, 2007, 2:28 pm

That's just it - I am not concerned with sales numbers in the same timeframe. When the 360 came out it WAS the next gen console, it did not have competition, so the lack of any really good exclusive games was nowhere near as important then as it is for Sony now.

Microsoft is stealing games away from them left and right (looks like a decent chance FF13 won't be coming to the PS3 at all) and if that trend continues that is what will kill them - the games sell the system, not the name, not the bullshit blue ray drive, just the games. And so far the next 6-8 months of game releases are so far in Microsoft's favor that it's not even fair.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 17, 2007, 2:39 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:That's just it - I am not concerned with sales numbers in the same timeframe. When the 360 came out it WAS the next gen console, it did not have competition, so the lack of any really good exclusive games was nowhere near as important then as it is for Sony now.

That doesn't make any sense.
You're saying the 360 having no competition is the reason it sold so poorly for the first year?

Microsoft is stealing games away from them left and right (looks like a decent chance FF13 won't be coming to the PS3 at all) and if that trend continues that is what will kill them - the games sell the system, not the name, not the bullshit blue ray drive, just the games. And so far the next 6-8 months of game releases are so far in Microsoft's favor that it's not even fair.

Stealing games?
I think I speak for the majority of games when I say that exclusives are a bad thing. Gamers should relish the fact that there is healthy competition between consoles. Gamers should nto be forced to buy a console because of exclusives.

I know you have a hardon for the PS3 to fail.
I can't really understand why... beyond the obvious childish/immature reasons.

If the 360 had no competition, you'd see the quantity and quality of games go down drastically.

Is that what you want?

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » May 17, 2007, 3:05 pm

Funk isn't concerned about facts, sales numbers or statistics. He believes in a more ephemeral quality... the truthiness of his feelings. He has fallen victim to the affliction known as fanboinius virulius, otherwise known as Winnow's Syndrome.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 17, 2007, 3:10 pm

What I stated is that the comparison I am making is not to sales, it's to software (which again is all that matters.) The 360 had a lack of good games when it came out, but it could afford that luxury because there was no competition. The PS3 however does not have that luxury, they very much have competition and the amount of time it is going to take to get hard hitting titles out for it is completely unacceptable at this point and just won't cut it. That my friends, is a fact.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 17, 2007, 3:23 pm

360 had a lack of good games when it came out, but it could afford that luxury because there was no competition. The PS3 however does not have that luxury, they very much have competition and the amount of time it is going to take to get hard hitting titles out for it is completely unacceptable at this point and just won't cut it.

So maybe you can assplain to me why with the lack of hard hitting games and with competition in the 360 the PS3 is matching (or outselling) the 360 in the same post-release timeframe?

You'd think with the competition of the 360 and the (as you say) lack of good games that nobody would be buying the PS3.

That my friends, is a fact.

Actually, that's opinion.
Not fact.

Animalor · Post by **Animalor** » May 17, 2007, 4:09 pm

miir wrote:
360 had a lack of good games when it came out, but it could afford that luxury because there was no competition. The PS3 however does not have that luxury, they very much have competition and the amount of time it is going to take to get hard hitting titles out for it is completely unacceptable at this point and just won't cut it.
So maybe you can assplain to me why with the lack of hard hitting games and with competition in the 360 the PS3 is matching (or outselling) the 360 in the same post-release timeframe?

You'd think with the competition of the 360 and the (as you say) lack of good games that nobody would be buying the PS3.

That my friends, is a fact.
Actually, that's opinion.
Not fact.

Almost a year ago today ironically enough. Prophetic words.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150935

Sony: If We Make It, They Will Buy
SCEE CEO brimming with confidence regarding PS3.
By Luke Smith, 05/19/2006

When Sony Computer Entertainment Europe CEO David Reeves admits that "key launch titles" will slip into 2007 he also admits that to Sony, it doesn't really matter what ships at launch.

"We have built up a certain brand equity over time since the launch of PlayStation in 1995 and PS2 in 2000 that the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn't have games," Reeves told Computer and Video Games in an interview. During the same interview, Reeves admits that Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm and Formula One will all see release in early 2007 within the PS3 "launch window." Insomniac's gritty World War II shooter (with aliens) Resistance: Fall of Man will be there at launch according to Reeves.

It's not games like Heavenly Sword slipping into the "launch window" instead of the "launch day" category that is concerning -- it's Sony admitting that even if there were no games to purchase, consumers would still be lining up en masse to grab the PS3.

We get it, Sony, you were the market leader for two solid generations of console making, but you might be placing a little too much faith in the perceived strength of your brand to ask people to fork over $600 for your console regardless of the available software.

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » May 17, 2007, 4:22 pm

I'm more of an anti-fanboi in this case. I couldn't take anymore of, "It's from Sony. It's a Playstation. It's going to be great no matter what!" ramblings. Of course, that was 1-2 years ago now and, like religious people, the PS3 unconditional lovers keep changing their timelines and expectations to be compatible with each bad decision Sony makes.

I do own a George Foreman Grill though so I have a mockup of what the PS3 looks like so I've seen how it would look in my home theater setup. Can't wait until all of these great PS3 games start rolling in before 2010: A Space Odyssey becomes a reality. By then Sony might wise up and produce a monolith edition of the console.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » May 17, 2007, 4:23 pm

Isn't this all covered in the other thread? Perhaps this can reach 11+ pages too!

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » May 17, 2007, 4:35 pm

miir wrote:
360 had a lack of good games when it came out, but it could afford that luxury because there was no competition. The PS3 however does not have that luxury, they very much have competition and the amount of time it is going to take to get hard hitting titles out for it is completely unacceptable at this point and just won't cut it.
So maybe you can assplain to me why with the lack of hard hitting games and with competition in the 360 the PS3 is matching (or outselling) the 360 in the same post-release timeframe?

You'd think with the competition of the 360 and the (as you say) lack of good games that nobody would be buying the PS3.

That my friends, is a fact.
Actually, that's opinion.
Not fact.

You aren't listening to me. I don't give a fuck what the 360 sold when it came out. I am talking about RIGHT NOW YOU MORON, right now the 360 has far more must have titles and that is just going to increase 10 fold before the end of the year.

I don't give a shit if you think that is an unfair comparison because the PS3 came out so recently, the fact of the matter is the 360 could afford the shitty sales and games when it came out because it was in a league of it's own. The PS3 needed to launch with 10-12 titles like halo, bioshock and blue dragon, etc will be to the 360 - and they didn't even have 1.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 17, 2007, 4:46 pm

Your bias is clouding your judgement.. making your reasoning a bit difficult to grasp.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » May 17, 2007, 5:20 pm

It's amazing how as soon as a purchase reaches a particular dollar amount how fanatically desperate some people become to justify their purchases by shitting on anything else, and falling romantically in love with whatever shitty box of gears they plunked down the clams for.

It's okay, dude. The 360 has plenty of life left in it. You don't have to freak out and go all defensive.

Fash · Post by **Fash** » May 17, 2007, 5:26 pm

It's amazing how people claim someone has a 'hard on' for something to fail just because their opinion is that it will... or that they're arguing it will fail because they chose the other system... honestly, what do they care?

I don't own a next gen console, I don't think either 360/ps3 are worth their price, and I still think the PS3 is going to be a failure. It's just my general opinion based on all I've heard.

The Wii is priced just right, comes with a game, and brings something the others are all missing.. new and unique gameplay style and elements.

Post by **Sylvus** » May 17, 2007, 5:45 pm

Funkmasterr wrote:You aren't listening to me. I don't give a fuck what the 360 sold when it came out. I am talking about RIGHT NOW YOU MORON, right now the 360 has far more must have titles and that is just going to increase 10 fold before the end of the year.

I don't give a shit if you think that is an unfair comparison because the PS3 came out so recently, the fact of the matter is the 360 could afford the shitty sales and games when it came out because it was in a league of it's own. The PS3 needed to launch with 10-12 titles like halo, bioshock and blue dragon, etc will be to the 360 - and they didn't even have 1.

I'm not sure you understand what you're saying.

When the 360 came out, it sold X units per month for Y months. At the time, it had very few games available. It also had no competing next-gen platforms.

When the PS3 came out, it also sold X units per month for Y months. In this case, the X and Y for both the 360 and the PS3 are very similar numbers. The PS3 had very few games available, but it also had the 360 and the Wii taking away its potential customers. Not to mention that one of those consoles is now a pretty mature product with a large library of games, and that fact still hasn't caused the PS3 to sell less units in the first Y months of its release than the 360 did.

I'm going to basically repeat that again, in the hopes that you'll begin to grasp it. Even with the flaws in the PS3 that you are so keen on pointing out, and in a marketplace where people have a choice between multiple next-gen consoles (including one that already has a large library of games), the (shoddily-built, more expensive) PS3 (and it's utter lack of games) is selling the same amount of units at this point in its lifecycle that the (totally superior) 360 did at the same point in its lifecycle (when anyone who wanted a next-gen console could only buy a 360).

People who could be buying a 360 with its current roster of games are still buying PS3s with their dearth of games. The PS3 is not going to fail.

For the record, I own a Wii and a 360 and have no intention of buying a PS3, at least at the current time.

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » May 17, 2007, 5:56 pm

OMFG STFU ALL OF YOU!

People are nearly dieing from peeing on PS2s and you are all just bitching about PS3 vs XBOX 360.

WTF is wrong with you people.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » May 17, 2007, 6:25 pm

I don't get how you could piss on something that's given you 5 or more years of gaming goodness.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 17, 2007, 6:37 pm

Fash wrote:It's amazing how people claim someone has a 'hard on' for something to fail just because their opinion is that it will... or that they're arguing it will fail because they chose the other system... honestly, what do they care?

I'm not basing my comment on this thread alone.
Funk has been slobbering over his 360 and shitting on the PS3 for ages now.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » May 17, 2007, 7:45 pm

Well, I for one am going to be unplugging my electronics before I pee on them from now on.

So at least this thread is helping someone.