Face off - Does God Exist?

Fash · Post by **Fash** » May 10, 2007, 2:33 pm

Basically, Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron challenged the Rational Responders to a televised debate claiming they could PROVE the existance of God SCIENTIFICALLY without bringing up FAITH or the BIBLE. The Rational Responders are there to respond and refute their 'scientific' claims. Hilarity ensues.

http://youtube.com/results?search_query ... rch=Search

6 parts on youtube.

flying spaghetti monster ftw!!

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Leonaerd · Post by **Leonaerd** » May 10, 2007, 2:49 pm

Ugh. Do people like Kilmoll watch videos like this one and further cement their beliefs?

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » May 10, 2007, 3:11 pm

bwahahaha - this "proof" is comedy gold.

Post by **Sylvus** » May 10, 2007, 3:20 pm

Can someone give a brief summary of their proof? I can't watch YouTube from work.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » May 10, 2007, 3:27 pm

Coca-Cola cans do not accidentally fall into their current form from their disparate, constituent parts, and therefore the universe must have been made by God. We have commandments laid down by god that we must obey or face judgment, therefore god exists.

Post by **Sylvus** » May 10, 2007, 3:30 pm

Well that all sounds pretty straightforward. Finally, I can believe!

Fash · Post by **Fash** » May 10, 2007, 3:36 pm

Sylvus wrote:Can someone give a brief summary of their proof? I can't watch YouTube from work.

Comfort begins with the concept that everything has a maker. You observe a painting and come to the obvious conclusion that there must have been a painter. You observe the building you're in and conclude that there must have been a builder.

Unfortunately, Comfort and Cameron broke their own claim that they could prove something without using faith or the bible, by doing both. He quoted the bible and scriptures numerous times, even using the ten commandments to accuse most people of lieing, theiving, and blasphemy... the same fear tactics that have enslaved entire populations.

I found very amusing his ten commandments bullshit... Basically he read the commandment about adultery, and then made it even worse by saying Jesus said by even thinking about a woman lustfully you have committed adultery in your heart, and he asks rhetorically who hasn't done that?...

The information they provided as proof was nothing new, nothing you haven't heard already...

The claim about everything having a creator falls into infinite regression... conveniently, they say it doesn't apply to god.

The responder goes into questionable territory with the postulation that it makes more sense to say the universe may always have existed, in one form or another, rather than attribute its creation to some single entity that is outside the bounds of everything else.

cadalano · Post by **cadalano** » May 10, 2007, 3:49 pm

i cant watch at work either- but does it have the clip where the guy proves the existence of god because of how a banana fits perfectly into a human hand?

that one is great

Announcer: We now return to Carl Sagan's "Cosmos", edited for Rednecks.
Carl Sagan: I'm Carl Sagan. Just how old is our planet? Scientists believe it's four bi--(hundreds and hundreds of years old.). Scientists have determined that the universe was created by a s--(Goooooooooooooooooooooood!)--ig bang. If you look at the bones of a (Jesus.)--osaurus rex, it's clear by the use of carbon dating tha--(Mountain Dew is the best soda ever made!).

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » May 10, 2007, 3:52 pm

The infinite universe is a widely accepted scientific theory, because it satisfies causality. Everything has a cause, so the universee simply cannot spring into existance from no source. Unfortunately for the crispies, this does not mean god did it. In fact, causality pretty much invalidates the existance of God, as he is portrayed, because his/her existance would have to have been triggered by some prior event, which is something no crispy will accept. Further, their argument that everything was "made" by something just begs the question "Well, then who made God?" just to see their faulty brains short out.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 10, 2007, 4:27 pm

Kelly has awesome tits.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » May 10, 2007, 4:31 pm

Pix of tits, prs.

miir · Post by **miir** » May 10, 2007, 5:09 pm

That was great when he laid the smackdown with the 3rd law of thermaldynamics.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » May 10, 2007, 9:42 pm

I am actually embarrassed for these two. To come forward like that and claim they are going to prove the existence of god scientifically and then go immediately into faith based arguments and then outright bible quoting is beyond terrible. It is no wonder that evangelical chrstianity and social conservatism are so closely tied together. neither school of thought is even remotely grounded in any basis of reality.

edit: and holy fuck, she does have huge casabas

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » May 11, 2007, 3:30 am

I am a believer now. Well, just in Kelly's wonderful breasts.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » May 11, 2007, 10:18 am

Damnit, I missed wonderful tits? I couldn't take more than half of the first clip, and now it's gone! GONE! This is definitive proof there is no god.

Kwonryu DragonFist · Post by **Kwonryu DragonFist** » May 11, 2007, 10:35 am

Did someone say tittays?

miir · Post by **miir** » May 11, 2007, 10:50 am

Dregor Thule wrote:Damnit, I missed wonderful tits? I couldn't take more than half of the first clip, and now it's gone! GONE! This is definitive proof there is no god.

Gone?
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3148940&page=1

Clicky video on the right.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » May 11, 2007, 11:12 am

Yeah, i found it. And their myspace! They're fake and she has butter teeth

Kriista · Post by **Kriista** » May 11, 2007, 11:12 am

as well as those 2 on the left of refuting their BS, they shouldve had some logicians up there,
after the christian presentation, they shouldve just debunked it with only 30seconds of their alloted time, then sat down, and shame them with how empty their argument is

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 11, 2007, 11:35 am

Kriista wrote:as well as those 2 on the left of refuting their BS, they shouldve had some logicians up there,
after the christian presentation, they shouldve just debunked it with only 30seconds of their alloted time, then sat down, and shame them with how empty their argument is

No shame on them. Any argument for a make believe creature would be empty. Time, information and technology will be the death of religion.

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » May 11, 2007, 11:40 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Kriista wrote:as well as those 2 on the left of refuting their BS, they shouldve had some logicians up there,
after the christian presentation, they shouldve just debunked it with only 30seconds of their alloted time, then sat down, and shame them with how empty their argument is
No shame on them. Any argument for a make believe creature would be empty. Time, information and technology will be the death of religion.

Sure, in parts of the country, but there is still the south! They have churches the size of Costco down there, dios mio!

Sabek · Post by **Sabek** » May 11, 2007, 11:43 am

Yeah Kelley has huge hoots, but man her voice is like nails on a chalk board.

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 11, 2007, 11:44 am

Canelek wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:
Kriista wrote:as well as those 2 on the left of refuting their BS, they shouldve had some logicians up there,
after the christian presentation, they shouldve just debunked it with only 30seconds of their alloted time, then sat down, and shame them with how empty their argument is
No shame on them. Any argument for a make believe creature would be empty. Time, information and technology will be the death of religion.
They have churches the size of Costco down there, dios mio!

Top ten greatest lines in VV history. LOL

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » May 12, 2007, 2:11 am

They do! I was in Mississippi last year tending to some family business. Although I grew up down there, Little Rock, AR to be exact, it never dawned on me how much THE FAITH plays a part in EVERYTHING there.

However, it may not be fair for me to bash on them so much...but still.... FUCKING COSTCO MAN! COSTCO! At least there is a Bass Pro Shops in Jackson, so they got that going for them, which is nice...

Keverian FireCry · Post by **Keverian FireCry** » May 12, 2007, 2:30 am

Costco's got nothing on this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakewood_Church

Midnyte_Ragebringer · Post by **Midnyte_Ragebringer** » May 12, 2007, 9:05 am

Please tell me that is fake.

Boogahz · Post by **Boogahz** » May 12, 2007, 9:29 am

Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Please tell me that is fake.

It's real. One thing to keep in mind with it though, is that it is non-denominational. Attendees are generally people disillusioned by the "formal religions" they were a part of before attending Lakewood.

Neost · Post by **Neost** » May 12, 2007, 11:20 am

I was in National Home Center (think big box lumber yard before Home Depot) and there was this HUGE fricking arched doorway that was handmade out of distressed oak sitting there with a 14k price tag. 14k for a damn door.

It was a door from a local church that has this absolutely HUGE new church sitting off of I-40 in North Little Rock, AR. Problem was, they miscalculated the height of the door and how low this 230k chandelier hung in the lobby. When the door was opened, it hit the chandelier.

The story according to the National Home Center guy was they returned the door, even though it was paid for, and re-ordered the door 3 inches shorter. They paid another 14k for the new door. National was re-selling the old door for like 3k just to get it off their floor. Guy tried to convince me I needed that door for the shop I had just finished building.

I stayed with the 72" double door I had specced out at 370 bucks.

Anyway, the point to the story is that these folks and quite a few others in the Central Arkansas area spend huge amounts of cash building these ornate churches when that money could sure be put to use for more charitable outreach programs.

laneela · Post by **laneela** » May 12, 2007, 11:24 am

Dregor Thule wrote:Yeah, i found it. And their myspace! They're fake and she has butter teeth

You'd fuck everything butter teeth??

Canelek · Post by **Canelek** » May 12, 2007, 2:39 pm

That does not surprise me regarding the 14k door. The priests live rather well there, although not quite as lavishly as some mormon bishop-types. And of course, there is a good amount of money, especially in W Little Rock, that can help keep them knee-deep in youngins'.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » May 12, 2007, 2:42 pm

I cant believe I just wasted an hour of my life watching this shit. It was like a kindergarten debate on who smells the worst or who's daddy would beat who in a fight.

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » May 12, 2007, 3:10 pm

laneela wrote:
Dregor Thule wrote:Yeah, i found it. And their myspace! They're fake and she has butter teeth
You'd fuck everything butter teeth??

A pun! A pun on words!

Lalanae · Post by **Lalanae** » May 14, 2007, 9:22 am

Boogahz wrote:
Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Please tell me that is fake.
It's real. One thing to keep in mind with it though, is that it is non-denominational. Attendees are generally people disillusioned by the "formal religions" they were a part of before attending Lakewood.

Before being acquired by Lakewood, tenants to the arena, once called The Summit, included the Houston Rockets, the Houston Aeros, and the Houston Comets.

That was a sad day for many Houstonians... Lets hope they don't turn the Astrodome into another "mega-church"

As far as it being non-dominational, those folks are still more on the scary Baptist/Evangelical end of Protestantism.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » May 14, 2007, 11:15 am

Isn't "Frighteningly Crazy" an official denomination now?

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » May 14, 2007, 11:35 am

I'll add to the summary. Cameron goes off about if evolution existed, we would see a crocoduck. Half crocodile, half duck.

Post by **Sylvus** » May 14, 2007, 11:55 am

Man, if that crocoduck could fly, that'd be a pretty scary animal.

As an aside, didn't we already have crocoducks, and they were called pterodactyls? Do Creationists even believe in dinosaurs?

Lynks · Post by **Lynks** » May 14, 2007, 11:57 am

I think they believe those fossils are gifts from God for us to find. Thats what a very religious friend of mine said. I just smile and nod.

Xatrei · Post by **Xatrei** » May 14, 2007, 12:13 pm

Those bones were put in the ground by Satan himself to tempt us into turning our back on GOD ALL MIGHTY. Don't you get it?