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Bank of America offers Credit Cards to Illegal Aliens

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In recent years, banks across the country have begun offering checking accounts and, in some cases, mortgages to the nation's fast-growing ranks of undocumented immigrants, most of whom are Hispanic. But these immigrants generally haven't been able to get major credit cards, making it hard for them to develop a credit history and expand their purchasing power.

The new Bank of America program is open to people who lack both a Social Security number and a credit history, as long as they have held a checking account with the bank for three months without an overdraft. Most adults in the U.S. who don't have a Social Security number are undocumented immigrants.

The Charlotte, N.C., banking giant tested the program last year at five branches in Los Angeles, and last week expanded it to 51 branches in Los Angeles County, home to the largest concentration of illegal immigrants in the U.S. The bank hopes to roll out the program nationally later this year.

"We are willing to grant credit to someone with little or no credit history," says Lance Weaver, Bank of America's head of international card services, whose team designed the program based in part on the bank's experience in markets like Spain, which lack conventional credit bureaus to rate a client's credit-worthiness.

The credit cards involved aren't cheap. They come with a high interest rate and an upfront fee. And the idea of catering to illegal immigrants is controversial.

Bank of America defends the program, saying it complies with U.S. banking and antiterrorism laws. Company executives say that the initiative isn't about politics, but rather about meeting the needs of an untapped group of potential customers.

"These people are coming here for quality of life, and they deserve somebody to give them a chance to achieve that quality of life," says Brian Tuite, the bank's director of Latin America card operations and one of the architects of the program.

Critics say Bank of America is knowingly making a product available to people who are violating U.S. immigration law. "They are clearly crossing the line; they are actually aiding and abetting people who broke the law," says Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a group that advocates a crackdown on illegal immigration.

Typical of the new card's customers is Antonio Sanchez, a Mexican immigrant whose only major asset is a white 1996 Ford Thunderbird, which he drives to the two restaurants where he works each day on opposite sides of Los Angeles. Mr. Sanchez, who says he sneaked across the border a decade ago, has been a customer of Bank of America's East Hollywood branch for nine years. He has no borrowing history and no Social Security number.

Paying Balances

To obtain a Bank of America Visa card with a $500 line of credit, Mr. Sanchez had to put down $99. If he stays within his $500 limit and pays his balances in a timely fashion, he will receive his $99 security payment back in three to six months, and his credit limit might be increased.

"I always wanted to start building credit to buy a home, but I couldn't," says Mr. Sanchez, a father of three, who earns about $25,000 a year from his two jobs. "When a señorita at the bank told me about this card, I couldn't miss the opportunity to get it. You need credit to succeed in this country."

The variable annual percentage rate charged on Mr. Sanchez's card is 21.24%, higher than the average interest rate of 18.1% card issuers nationwide charge on unpaid balances, according to the Nilson Report, an industry newsletter based in Carpinteria, Calif.

David Robertson, publisher of the report, says a rate of 21.24% is "unquestionably high." "If that's the rate you're offered, it's a pretty safe bet you're in a high-risk group," he said.

To assess an applicant, the bank employs "judgmental lending," a concept pioneered by MBNA Corp., the credit-card company that Bank of America acquired in January 2006. In essence, the bank bases its evaluation of a potential client's credit-worthiness on a subjective review by its employees, rather than on standardized financial data crunched by a computer.

Unorthodox initiatives like the new credit-card program may be crucial to Bank of America's long-term success. In the past the bank, which operates in 31 states and the District of Columbia, grew mostly by buying up other banks. Now, however, it is bumping up against a regulatory cap that bars any U.S. bank from an acquisition that would give it more than 10% of the nation's total bank deposits. That means Bank of America's only way to grow domestically is to sell more products to existing customers and to attract new ones.

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Bank of America, the second-largest U.S. bank after Citigroup Inc. in terms of market capitalization, estimates that there are 28 million Hispanics in its operating area and that most of them, regardless of their immigration status, don't have a bank. It hopes the allure of a credit card will persuade hundreds of thousands more Latinos to open accounts.

"If we don't disproportionately grow in the Hispanic [market]...we aren't going to grow" as a bank, says Liam McGee, Bank of America's consumer and small-business banking chief.

Illegal immigrants have typically relied on loan sharks and neighborhood finance shops for credit. But that has begun to change. A few years ago, a handful of community banks in the U.S. began offering mortgages to illegal immigrants, as long as they could prove they had stable employment and paid U.S. taxes with an individual tax identification number, or ITIN.

In December 2005, Wells Fargo & Co. began extending mortgages to consumers with an ITIN. The bank is currently evaluating a pilot program in Los Angeles and Orange counties before deciding whether to expand it.

Department of Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said banking products aimed at illegal immigrants "reinforce the need for a temporary worker program" that the Bush administration has been promoting. That program would screen, tax and otherwise regulate immigrant workers and, the administration contends, would squeeze out illegal workers who now use forged or stolen documents to get jobs, driver's licenses and occasionally credit.

Anti-money-laundering regulations passed in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks put more pressure on banks to verify customers' identity and watch for suspicious transactions, but they don't require banks to ascertain whether account holders are in the U.S. legally. Most banks require a Social Security number or ITIN to open an account, but regulations also allow them to accept other government-issued forms of identification in some instances, including passport numbers, alien identification numbers or any government-issued document with photo showing nationality or place of residence.

A handful of retailers, such as Los Angeles's closely held La Curacao department store chain, have boosted their business by cultivating illegal immigrants with store credit cards. "Once you capture them, they become very loyal," says Ron Azarkman, chief executive of La Curacao, which has developed its own in-house credit-ratings system. "This is a promising market, as long as it is carefully managed," he says, adding that the average APR charged by his company is 22.9%.


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Bank of America hasn't launched an ad campaign for the new card. For the time being, it is counting on word of mouth that starts with its employees at each banking center. Many of the Spanish-speaking account holders who come to teller Luz Quintanilla's window at Bank of America's East Hollywood branch, already have a Social Security number and regular credit card with the bank. But she suggests in Spanish that "maybe you have family or friends who don't have a Social Security number, but wish to build their credit."

In selling the card, a major challenge is to persuade immigrants who are sometimes wary of plastic that holding a credit card is an important step on the way to obtaining loans for big-ticket items, such as a car or even a home. Pictures of a check book, credit card, car and house in ascending order illustrate this concept in one pamphlet in Spanish and English titled "How to Build Your Credit, Step by Step."

I have very mixed feeings about this. If they are paying taxes then I feel a little better, but frankly I am tired of hearing in California how Illegal immigrants should get voting rights and other benefits when most pay no taxes and use our system. I cannot go and vote in Mexico or any other country. I don't get free medical coverage, I have 14K in medical bills from lat year which proves this. I also think that the "system" of employees judging the clients could lead to serious ethical issues with people offering to vote yes for money.

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Most corporations aren't satisfied with making a profit. They need to make obscene profits. And if that means questionable business practices and massive growth so they can dominate markets. their shareholders won't really care. I'm sure they wouldn't care if the board of governors at the bank bathes in the blood of palestinian babies as long as their portfolio keeps going up. Beisdes, fleecing the shit out of immigrants is as american as apple pie. If it was good enough for the irish and the wops, it's good enough for the latinos. I'm surprised that Guiliani and Obama aren't down at the border passing out campaign pins. Oh, that's Florida.

Maybe next election when the government gives undocumented immigrants the right to vote.

Banks are basically a liscense to print money. They have so many ways of getting your dollars that another one isn't really all that newsworthy. what you should really be complaining about is major banks cashing in on record profits and then raising your user fees every year. haha.

Besides, I think it's hilarious that winnow can't get a credit card, but some melon picker making a dollar an hour can stroll into BoA and get a visa.
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"eally be complaining about is major banks cashing in on record profits and then raising your user fees every year. haha.
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My User fees have NEVER gone up, To be honest I dont have any cards with user fees. I guess that only happens when your a credit bandit, right Kyoukan?
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Actually quite a few top-end cards have a yearly membership fee.
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Kelshara wrote:Actually quite a few top-end cards have a yearly membership fee.
I know American Express does, that is why I dont carry one around.
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I don't pay any fees either. Free online banking for years now. And I wont carry a credit card that has a yearly fee since there's way too many alternatives out there that don't.

Although I'm not really clear on what you mean by a 'top-end card'.
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Aslanna wrote: Although I'm not really clear on what you mean by a 'top-end card'.
Diner's Club! :)
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Diners Club, the original credit card is now a Mastercard :)
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Diner's Club sucks. That was the company card at the last place I was at and you'd be lucky if the place you chose to dine at actually accepted it.

I wouldn't call that a top-end card and would never carry one again!
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Tyek, I don't see what the rights of illegal immigrants have to do with this. BoA is choosing to expand it's customer base to a new demographic, which happens to be illegal immigrants.
What does their not paying taxes have to do with it?
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I just hope to get a gas station credit card some day. Can parents cosign for those?

I bet kyoukan wakes up to those all the time flipped on the pillow after a good night's work.
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Going along with Truant here, a credit card has fuckall to do with any "rights". Credit card companies get paid on both ends of a transaction and the more people with cards, the more money they'll make. I'm surprised it took them this long to implement.

And who gets free medical care? Illegal immigrants do? Other taxpayers do? I pay a shitload for my medical insurance.

And finally, I don't think it's illegal immigrants who are to blame for not paying taxes. It's shady American business owners who hire people under the table and don't file a W-2.
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I'm talking about user fees for banking in general. Show me a bank that doesn't charge user fees for giving you the priviledge of letting them make a profit with the usage of your money. That's why I bank at credit unions now. No user fees because I always carry a high balance.

Our bank account in the US charged us almost 200 dollars in user fees last year and we only touched it maybe once. And there is an atrocious amount of money in there. Canadian banks are worse in most cases.
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I'm talking about user fees for banking in general. Show me a bank that doesn't charge user fees for giving you the priviledge of letting them make a profit with the usage of your money. That's why I bank at credit unions now. No user fees because I always carry a high balance.
My bank is Bank of America. I do not pay a single fee. And I get services like free online banking. I get crap all for interest but I don't use my checking account for that reason since I transfer money out all the time into other investment opportunities.
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Aslanna wrote:My bank is Bank of America. I do not pay a single fee.
Unless you use your debit card at a non-BofA ATM, in which case you get raped on both ends most times.

Heaven forbid you ever overdraft. The rates on "overdraft protection" (which, as far as I can tell just means "That pack of gum just cost you $35") have skyrocketed lately.

I ended up leaving Wells Fucksyou for a credit union because of it. <3 BECU.
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Traz-KOE wrote:
Aslanna wrote:My bank is Bank of America. I do not pay a single fee.
Unless you use your debit card at a non-BofA ATM, in which case you get raped on both ends most times.
True but you get that most places. That's more of a service fee than a user fee (but lame all the same). I typically don't use my card to pull out money but instead just use it for purchaes.
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Cartalas wrote:"eally be complaining about is major banks cashing in on record profits and then raising your user fees every year. haha.
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My User fees have NEVER gone up, To be honest I dont have any cards with user fees. I guess that only happens when your a credit bandit, right Kyoukan?
Your Kohl's Food Club card doesn't count!

But seriously, the fee cranking is a regional thing that the banks adjust to match what they think people are willing to pay in a given area. Midwest has a low bullshit tolerance policy for this sort of thing, but the coasts are different and willing to eat this shit sandwitch.
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Winnow wrote:I just hope to get a gas station credit card some day. Can parents cosign for those?

I bet kyoukan wakes up to those all the time flipped on the pillow after a good night's work.
While I actually don't mean any disrespect by this, but I have to ask:
You are an employed caucasion male living in a sunbelt state, right? How in the fucking hell did you screw your credit so bad that you can't even get a shitty credit card? Christ, I never had any credit history in my life, beyond a defaulted student loand, and I got a platinum card last year with a good interest rate. Mind you, I could have started a small bonfire with all the credit card offers I got just last year alone.

For the record, most people have more respect for a hooker who pays her fucking bills on time than some white trash assclown who apparently has the means, but not the self discipline, to pay theirs. Ask your landlord (even if it is your mom) and I am sure they will say the same thing.
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Jice Virago wrote: While I actually don't mean any disrespect by this, but I have to ask:
You are an employed caucasion male living in a sunbelt state, right? How in the fucking hell did you screw your credit so bad that you can't even get a shitty credit card? Christ, I never had any credit history in my life, beyond a defaulted student loand, and I got a platinum card last year with a good interest rate. Mind you, I could have started a small bonfire with all the credit card offers I got just last year alone.

For the record, most people have more respect for a hooker who pays her fucking bills on time than some white trash assclown who apparently has the means, but not the self discipline, to pay theirs. Ask your landlord (even if it is your mom) and I am sure they will say the same thing.

:shock:

I sold some plasma this morning to pay my ISP for another month of service. I'm barely hanging on and you mock me like this?!
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Jice Virago wrote:
Winnow wrote:I just hope to get a gas station credit card some day. Can parents cosign for those?

I bet kyoukan wakes up to those all the time flipped on the pillow after a good night's work.
While I actually don't mean any disrespect by this, but I have to ask:
You are an employed caucasion male living in a sunbelt state, right? How in the fucking hell did you screw your credit so bad that you can't even get a shitty credit card? Christ, I never had any credit history in my life, beyond a defaulted student loand, and I got a platinum card last year with a good interest rate. Mind you, I could have started a small bonfire with all the credit card offers I got just last year alone.

For the record, most people have more respect for a hooker who pays her fucking bills on time than some white trash assclown who apparently has the means, but not the self discipline, to pay theirs. Ask your landlord (even if it is your mom) and I am sure they will say the same thing.
Not that it is any of your business what other people's credit is like or what they did to get it that way.
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I assumed Winnow was kidding about the gas card thing. Looked like sarcasm to me.
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I got that same impression, strange.
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Winnow wrote: :shock:

I sold some plasma this morning to pay my ISP for another month of service. I'm barely hanging on and you mock me like this?!
While you let your plasma regenerate you could always sell sperm down at the sperm bank. Just remember - don't swallow - wait until you get there to spit!

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Jice Virago wrote:
Winnow wrote:I just hope to get a gas station credit card some day. Can parents cosign for those?

I bet kyoukan wakes up to those all the time flipped on the pillow after a good night's work.
While I actually don't mean any disrespect by this, but I have to ask:
You are an employed caucasion male living in a sunbelt state, right? How in the fucking hell did you screw your credit so bad that you can't even get a shitty credit card? Christ, I never had any credit history in my life, beyond a defaulted student loand, and I got a platinum card last year with a good interest rate. Mind you, I could have started a small bonfire with all the credit card offers I got just last year alone.

For the record, most people have more respect for a hooker who pays her fucking bills on time than some white trash assclown who apparently has the means, but not the self discipline, to pay theirs. Ask your landlord (even if it is your mom) and I am sure they will say the same thing.
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The problem here is that people don't bother to read kyoukan's posts anymore. In this case, as with most cases, it happened to kick off the flames in this thread.
kyoukan wrote: Besides, I think it's hilarious that winnow can't get a credit card, but some melon picker making a dollar an hour can stroll into BoA and get a visa.
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Moonwynd wrote:
Winnow wrote: :shock:

I sold some plasma this morning to pay my ISP for another month of service. I'm barely hanging on and you mock me like this?!
While you let your plasma regenerate you could always sell sperm down at the sperm bank. Just remember - don't swallow - wait until you get there to spit!

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:shock:

Ok, I admit I actually laughed at this one while at work.

I caught the sarcasm in Winnow's post, and I wanted to post a series of pics...but I am at work

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It was Sarcasm?????? Winnow I sent you a check please send back please!
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Already spent on a Nash for MV3Peat jersey. Will send that back!
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Winnow wrote:Already spent on a Nash for MV3Peat jersey. Will send that back!
Good cause Dirk is gonna win it this year if not Nash is gonna give it to him.
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