Japan Gone Wild

[Aruman]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5091552.stm

The stark divide between the two camps was summed up by the comments of one Japanese delegate, who said the philosophy of anti-whaling nations in trying to prevent the hunting of whales and dolphins is somewhat akin to that of German Nazi leader Adolf Hitler.

[Sionistic]

Well technically, Hitler was a strict vegetarian

[Tuddi2]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5091552.stm

The stark divide between the two camps was summed up by the comments of one Japanese delegate, who said the philosophy of anti-whaling nations in trying to prevent the hunting of whales and dolphins is somewhat akin to that of German Nazi leader Adolf Hitler.

they are fucking animals. they have meat and blubber, there is a market for it. and for those of you who haven't tasted whale meat, think of beef, without sinews and tender as hell.

equilibrium (typo prolly) , tiny sea thingies that wales eat, fish eat those as well. so think of a trinangle.

if u just pray on one of them u upset the balance, and no u can't hunt the tiny sea thingies since all they do is play food for fish and whales.

reasons ppl donate money to foundations that wanna prevent whale hunting are..

1) they make pleasant sounds
2) they're big
3) free willy the movie

/rant off

just can't stand people that have no good reason to oppose whale hunting speak up as if justified.

[Aruman]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5091552.stm

The stark divide between the two camps was summed up by the comments of one Japanese delegate, who said the philosophy of anti-whaling nations in trying to prevent the hunting of whales and dolphins is somewhat akin to that of German Nazi leader Adolf Hitler.

they are fucking animals. they have meat and blubber, there is a market for it. and for those of you who haven't tasted whale meat, think of beef, without sinews and tender as hell.

equilibrium (typo prolly) , tiny sea thingies that wales eat, fish eat those as well. so think of a trinangle.

if u just pray on one of them u upset the balance, and no u can't hunt the tiny sea thingies since all they do is play food for fish and whales.

reasons ppl donate money to foundations that wanna prevent whale hunting are..

1) they make pleasant sounds
2) they're big
3) free willy the movie

/rant off

just can't stand people that have no good reason to oppose whale hunting speak up as if justified.

There aren't nearly as many whales in the ocean as there are cattle, so don't even make it sound like there are.

There are plenty of reasons to oppose indiscriminate killing of whales. Granted, they are speaking of managing whale populations, but I sure would hope someone keeps an eye on them.

As far as what you mean by equilibrium, /shrug. Fewer whales = more plankton or krill = imbalance.

[Tuddi2]

first of all i never said there were as many whales as cattle and personally if i think about it i find it more inhumane how cattle are slaughtered then whales, we control their breeding, what they eat, where they stay and then we kill of their young or old as per planned, take away the milk that's meant for their offspring and then round them up in slaughterhouses to make burgers and steaks.

it's only the size of the whale that prevents humans from killing whales instantly, we need bigger guns i suppose. and as if that would matter to those that oppose whale hunting, that's just one of the straws they draw to try and make some kind of case against this very normal farming.

and noone is talking about indiscriminate killing ... it's called organized farming of the ocean.

you make it sound like whalers are these bloodthirsty wildmen that wanna kill of the entire whale population, and would if noone "keeps an eye on them" ....... wtf ?

the whalers are the ones that care most about the population, because they'd make a living of hunting them ... for a long time, not kill them all and then be out of work.

it's the same thing with fishermen , they're the ones that wanna control the fish population and manage it so there will be fish for years and years to come.

more plankton wont create an imbalance it'll simply ensure plentiful food for those that feed on it.

i remember a news report from a greenpeace rally a few years ago, was in new york i think, and a reporter asked some of the people in the crowd how many whales they thought were hunted every year.

"thousands" was the most common answer.

yah, grats ignorance and the 'ol jump on the bandwagon type of protesting. they just joined those rallies because they think whales are cute looking and they make nice sounds.

[*~*stragi*~*]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5091552.stm

The stark divide between the two camps was summed up by the comments of one Japanese delegate, who said the philosophy of anti-whaling nations in trying to prevent the hunting of whales and dolphins is somewhat akin to that of German Nazi leader Adolf Hitler.

they are fucking animals. they have meat and blubber, there is a market for it. and for those of you who haven't tasted whale meat, think of beef, without sinews and tender as hell.

equilibrium (typo prolly) , tiny sea thingies that wales eat, fish eat those as well. so think of a trinangle.

if u just pray on one of them u upset the balance, and no u can't hunt the tiny sea thingies since all they do is play food for fish and whales.

reasons ppl donate money to foundations that wanna prevent whale hunting are..

1) they make pleasant sounds
2) they're big
3) free willy the movie

/rant off



just can't stand people that have no good reason to oppose whale hunting speak up as if justified.

not so much whale hunting as aggresively hunting whale populations which are on the endangered species list.

[Aslanna]

i remember a news report from a greenpeace rally a few years ago, was in new york i think, and a reporter asked some of the people in the crowd how many whales they thought were hunted every year.

"thousands" was the most common answer.

yah, grats ignorance and the 'ol jump on the bandwagon type of protesting. they just joined those rallies because they think whales are cute looking and they make nice sounds.

So what's the answer??

Let's see.. Norway has a 1052 quota this year (and if you look at the statistics from 1994 they come close to reaching it each year). In Japan the quota for 2005 was 910 although for the season they only got 780. Getting close to the "thousands" so far!

Samples of whale meat collected in Japan have been analyzed for contamination, and over half of them contain levels of mercury, PCBs, and DDT that made them unfit for human consumption. Since whales are at the top of the food chain, live long lives and have extensive fat stores, they show a high level of bioaccumulation of stable organic materials like pesticides.

I think people would rather take their chances with mad cow disease.

it's the same thing with fishermen , they're the ones that wanna control the fish population and manage it so there will be fish for years and years to come.

Fisherman practice catch and release. I don't think I've ever seen a harpooned whale set free to frolic once more in the ocean.

[Aruman]

first of all i never said there were as many whales as cattle and personally if i think about it i find it more inhumane how cattle are slaughtered then whales, we control their breeding, what they eat, where they stay and then we kill of their young or old as per planned, take away the milk that's meant for their offspring and then round them up in slaughterhouses to make burgers and steaks.

it's only the size of the whale that prevents humans from killing whales instantly, we need bigger guns i suppose. and as if that would matter to those that oppose whale hunting, that's just one of the straws they draw to try and make some kind of case against this very normal farming.

Contradict yourself a lot do you?

From what I read it can take hours for a whale to die. Cattle aren't left up to hours to die, and cattle populations are far from being in danger of approaching extinction levels. There have been cases of inhumane treatment of cattle, but those occasions aren't the norm.

you make it sound like whalers are these bloodthirsty wildmen that wanna kill of the entire whale population, and would if noone "keeps an eye on them" ....... wtf ?

I'm sure certain species would have been if whaling hadn't been banned for such a long period of time, but thats supposition.

the whalers are the ones that care most about the population, because they'd make a living of hunting them ... for a long time, not kill them all and then be out of work.

Yeah, kind of like what happened to the buffalo here in the United States.

it's the same thing with fishermen , they're the ones that wanna control the fish population and manage it so there will be fish for years and years to come.

Who is disagreeing? I have nothing against managed whaling. I thought I said that before. I do have a problem with causing the extinction of a species.

more plankton wont create an imbalance it'll simply ensure plentiful food for those that feed on it.

Sure, kill all the bats on the planet, that just leaves more insects for the birds and frogs.

i remember a news report from a greenpeace rally a few years ago, was in new york i think, and a reporter asked some of the people in the crowd how many whales they thought were hunted every year.

"thousands" was the most common answer.

yah, grats ignorance and the 'ol jump on the bandwagon type of protesting. they just joined those rallies because they think whales are cute looking and they make nice sounds.

Jumping on what bandwagon? IWC allows Japan to hunt plenty of whales, all under the guise of scientific research:

http://www.wdcs.org.au/info_details.php ... 1126669553
September 14, 2005

Along with the 60 it's allowed to catch off Kushiro, Japan is also allowed by the IWC to hunt 60 more off the northern coast of its Honshu main island, as well as 440 minke whales in the Antarctic Ocean and 210 others in the northwestern Pacific.

http://www.hindu.com/2006/02/10/stories ... 912200.htm
Friday, Feb 10, 2006

But the glut has not stopped the harpoon guns. Tokyo plans to kill — under a research programme — some 1,070 minke whales in 2006, over 400 more than last year and more than double the number it hunted a decade ago. Japan will also hunt 10 fin whales, and a total of 160 Bryde's, sei and sperm whales, a fisheries official said.

What I don't understand is how Japan said 400 was enough for their study one year, jumps to 600 in a following year, and jumps to 1070 this year. This is one specific whale species by the way, not all whales allowed.

Scientific research my ass. This is why the Japanese need to be watched.

[Zaelath]

It's alright for the Japanese to say they can "manage" their whaling, but if they had open access to whales then why wouldn't every country have it?

It's not like they only whale in Japanese waters, they're pulling from international waters, which means anyone could be whaling the same stock. If everyone decided they're up for a little whaling, the amount Japan could take would be massively reduced if it was to be sustainable.

Then you go on to say that whales reduce the fish population, riiiiight. Like the biggest threat to fish stocks isn't gill netting and humans are *so* much better at managing an ecosystem than nature is. Too funny.

[masteen]

The debate is also far from over regarding the exact level of intelligence that whales posess.

Example: there are 3 distinct populations of killer whales off the west coast. These 3 populations haven't interbred for over 10,000 years, minimum. They share much of the same habitat, but their diet, their habits, and even their songs are different.

So to just write them off as animals may be premature.

[Kelgar]

Stupid cockholes can all go fuck themselves. Those shitstains are actually overstocked at the moment and use the surplus meat in dog food. They also kill whales without confirming whether or not they're the minke or humpbacks that they're allowed by quota. Case in point, they've been busted for having traces of blue whale DNA in their meat processing plants.

[Kelgar]

and noone is talking about indiscriminate killing ... it's called organized farming of the ocean.

Glad to see that Europe also has its share of inbred hicks.

you make it sound like whalers are these bloodthirsty wildmen that wanna kill of the entire whale population, and would if noone "keeps an eye on them" ....... wtf ?

the whalers are the ones that care most about the population, because they'd make a living of hunting them ... for a long time, not kill them all and then be out of work.

it's the same thing with fishermen , they're the ones that wanna control the fish population and manage it so there will be fish for years and years to come.

That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard. Numerous populations of both are well under 10% of their original numbers from 100 years ago. Fishermen and whalers give fuck all about anything other than their pathetic livelihoods.

I laughed when some stupid fucking Taiwanese fish boat captain violated another country's waters to get at some blue fin tuna (weigh up to 1400kgs) and got a bullet put into him by their patrol boats.

i remember a news report from a greenpeace rally a few years ago, was in new york i think, and a reporter asked some of the people in the crowd how many whales they thought were hunted every year.

"thousands" was the most common answer.

yah, grats ignorance and the 'ol jump on the bandwagon type of protesting. they just joined those rallies because they think whales are cute looking and they make nice sounds.

Whales are perhaps the second most intelligent species after humans. People don't want them killed for the same reason they wouldn't fucking eat chimpanzees or gorillas. Cute sounds? The only cute sound I could imagine at this moment is a 12 gauge being pumped through that pathetic lump of grey matter called your brain.

[kyoukan]

it's only a matter of time until the whales build their own exo-suits to come on land and hunt people.

and they have a list.

[cadalano]

I for one welcome our new cetacean overlords