I can empathize...

What do you think about the world?
Post Reply
User avatar
Drolgin Steingrinder
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3510
Joined: July 3, 2002, 5:28 pm
Gender: Male
PSN ID: Drolgin
Location: Århus, Denmark

I can empathize...

Post by Drolgin Steingrinder »

...I feel like that every Christmas.

Washington Post/AP

PICTURE
Python Bursts After Trying to Eat Gator

By DENISE KALETTE
The Associated Press
Thursday, October 6, 2005; 7:13 AM

MIAMI -- The alligator has some foreign competition at the top of the Everglades food chain, and the results of the struggle are horror-movie messy.

A 13-foot Burmese python recently burst after it apparently tried to swallow a live, six-foot alligator whole, authorities said.

The incident has heightened biologists' fears that the nonnative snakes could threaten a host of other animal species in the Everglades.

"It means nothing in the Everglades is safe from pythons, a top-down predator," said Frank Mazzotti, a University of Florida wildlife professor.

Over the years, many pythons have been abandoned in the Everglades by pet owners.

The gory evidence of the latest gator-python encounter _ the fourth documented in the past three years _ was discovered and photographed last week by a helicopter pilot and wildlife researcher.

The snake was found with the gator's hindquarters protruding from its midsection. Mazzotti said the alligator may have clawed at the python's stomach as the snake tried to digest it.

In previous incidents, the alligator won or the battle was an apparent draw.

"There had been some hope that alligators can control Burmese pythons," Mazzotti said. "This indicates to me it's going to be an even draw. Sometimes alligators are going to win and sometimes the python will win."

It is unknown how many pythons are competing with the thousands of alligators in the Everglades, but at least 150 have been captured in the past two years, said Joe Wasilewski, a wildlife biologist and crocodile tracker.

Pythons could threaten many smaller species that conservationists are trying to protect, including other reptiles, otters, squirrels, woodstorks and sparrows, Mazzotti said.

Wasilewski said a 10- or 20-foot python also could pose a risk to an unwary human, especially a child. He added, however, "I don't think this is an imminent threat. This is not a `Be afraid, be very afraid' situation.'"
IT'S HARD TO PUT YOUR FINGER ON IT; SOMETHING IS WRONG
I'M LIKE THE UNCLE WHO HUGGED YOU A LITTLE TOO LONG
User avatar
Aslanna
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 12479
Joined: July 3, 2002, 12:57 pm

Post by Aslanna »

I'm sure there will be some who don't agree with me but I don't think people should be allowed to have 'pets' like that to begin with.
Have You Hugged An Iksar Today?

--
User avatar
masteen
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 8197
Joined: July 3, 2002, 12:40 pm
Gender: Mangina
Location: Florida
Contact:

Post by masteen »

Ball pythons? Sure. Burmese "Can grow up to 20 feet long and eat small children" pythons? Fuck no.
"There is at least as much need to curb the cruel greed and arrogance of part of the world of capital, to curb the cruel greed and violence of part of the world of labor, as to check a cruel and unhealthy militarism in international relationships." -Theodore Roosevelt
User avatar
Sylvos
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1828
Joined: July 7, 2002, 2:55 pm
Gender: Male
Location: Portland, OR
Contact:

Post by Sylvos »

People should be able to have whatever pets they want. Just when their pet turns on them and eats them, well we should offer no pity afterwards.
Image
User avatar
Aslanna
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 12479
Joined: July 3, 2002, 12:57 pm

Post by Aslanna »

Sylvos wrote:People should be able to have whatever pets they want. Just when their pet turns on them and eats them, well we should offer no pity afterwards.
But the problem is when they get too big, or the owners dont want them anymore, they simply dump them out in the wild. Sure, if it was just the owners that would get munched I'm all for it. But releasing non-native species into the wild is just dumb and has more consequences than just a possible danger to human life.
Have You Hugged An Iksar Today?

--
Sueven
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3200
Joined: July 22, 2002, 12:36 pm

Post by Sueven »

Well, sure, but that's a problem with pets of all shapes and sizes. A cute little fish species, if released into the wild, could be far far more threatening than a 20 foot child-eating Burmese python, but I imagine that little fishes don't count as "pets like that," whatever that means.

The introduction of rabbits has caused severe devastation to some ecosystems. Do rabbits qualify as a "pet like that?"

Do the criteria by which you define acceptable and unacceptable pets relate to the size / exoticness / danger to humans posed by a particular animal or by the potential of that animal species to damage an ecosystem? If the latter, is a necessary implication that humans should be able to own any pets that are native to their ecosystems or could not survive in the wild in those ecosystems? Also, how do you propose that we judge the potential effects of a new species on an ecosystem before that species is introduced?
User avatar
Winnow
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 27730
Joined: July 5, 2002, 1:56 pm
Location: A Special Place in Hell

Post by Winnow »

You'd hope things would balance out. For every python let go there should be many hamster owners that no longer want their pets. Instead of flushing the hamsters, owners need to let them go into the wild so the pythons have a food supply.
User avatar
Drasta
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1122
Joined: July 4, 2002, 11:53 pm
Location: A Wonderful Placed Called Marlyland

Post by Drasta »

you flush hamsters winnow .... :shock:
User avatar
Arborealus
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3417
Joined: September 21, 2002, 5:36 am
Contact:

Post by Arborealus »

Funny I feel more like this every Christmas
Mom got drunk and Dad got drunk
At our Christmas party
We were drinkin' champagne punch
And homemade eggnog
Little sister brought her new boyfriend
He was a Mexican
We didn't know what to think of him
Til he sang Feliz Navidad
Feliz Navidad

Brother Ken brought his kids with him
The three from his first wife Lynn
And the two identical twins
From his second wife Mary Nell
Of course he brought his new wife Kaye
Who talks all about AA
Chain smokin' while the stereo plays
Noel, Noel, The first Noel

Carve the turkey turn the ball game on
Mix Margaritas when the eggnog's gone
Send somebody to the Quik-Pak store
We need some ice and an extension cord
A can of bean dip and some Diet Rite
A box of pampers , some Marlboro Lights
Hallelujah everybody say cheese
Merry Christmas from the family

Fran and Rita drove from Harlingen
I can't remember how I'm kin to them
But when they tried to plug their motor home in
They blew our christmas lights
Cousin David knew just what went wrong
So we all waited on our front lawn
He threw the breaker and the lights came on
And we sang Silent Night
Oh Silent Night o' holy night

Carve the turkey turn the ballgame on
Mix Bloody Marys cause we all want one
Send somebody to the Stop 'n Go
We need some celery and a can of fake snow
A bag of lemons and some Diet Sprite
A box of midol, some Salem Lights
Hallelujah everybody say cheese
Merry Christmas from the family
User avatar
Aslanna
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 12479
Joined: July 3, 2002, 12:57 pm

Post by Aslanna »

Sueven wrote:Well, sure, but that's a problem with pets of all shapes and sizes. A cute little fish species, if released into the wild, could be far far more threatening than a 20 foot child-eating Burmese python, but I imagine that little fishes don't count as "pets like that," whatever that means.

The introduction of rabbits has caused severe devastation to some ecosystems. Do rabbits qualify as a "pet like that?"
Depending on the ecosystem, sure. Any non-native species that can damage an ecosystem should not be made a pet. How you want to go about defining that I don't care since the damage can be of varying degrees. If you're unsure of the effects that don't take the fucking things out of their own environment. Which of course doesn't mean they wont accidently find their way (eels!) but that's a lot different than anyone being able to go to the corner pet store and picking it up.

And don't be dense. My first post stating "pets like that" was obviously in reference to snakes such as pythons.
Have You Hugged An Iksar Today?

--
Sueven
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3200
Joined: July 22, 2002, 12:36 pm

Post by Sueven »

And don't be dense. My first post stating "pets like that" was obviously in reference to snakes such as pythons.
No it wasn't, it was obviously referring to pets that are 'like' pythons. They could be 'like' pythons in that they are snakes, in that they are large snakes, in that they are large predators, in that they are dangerous to humans, in that they are non-native, in that they are potentially dangerous to an ecosystem and so on.
Depending on the ecosystem, sure. Any non-native species that can damage an ecosystem should not be made a pet. How you want to go about defining that I don't care since the damage can be of varying degrees. If you're unsure of the effects that don't take the fucking things out of their own environment.
So it would be acceptable to have a pet black bear in Pennsylvania, or a pet cougar in Colorado, or a pet rattlesnake in Texas? I'm not trying to disagree with you, just trying to figure out what you're talking about given the vagueness of your original statement.
User avatar
Kylere
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3354
Joined: July 3, 2002, 6:26 pm
Location: Flint, Michigan

Post by Kylere »

People need to be arrested if caught bring an animal otuside of its normal habitat. Minimum 10 year sentence and the silly stuff would stop.

Only a bloody freak would want a python as a pet any damn way.
She Dreams in Digital
\"Led Zeppelin taught an entire generation of young men how to make love, if they just listen\"- Michael Reed(2005)
User avatar
Cartalas
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 4364
Joined: July 3, 2002, 2:39 pm
Location: Kyoukan's Mouth

Post by Cartalas »

Image
Zamtuk
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 4781
Joined: September 21, 2002, 12:21 am
Location: Columbus, OH

Post by Zamtuk »

holy shit thats funny
User avatar
Kylere
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3354
Joined: July 3, 2002, 6:26 pm
Location: Flint, Michigan

Post by Kylere »

See Cart you are using a 5 year old pic, try

Image
She Dreams in Digital
\"Led Zeppelin taught an entire generation of young men how to make love, if they just listen\"- Michael Reed(2005)
User avatar
Zaelath
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 4621
Joined: April 11, 2003, 5:53 am
Location: Canberra

Post by Zaelath »

Dude... why you biting on Kim Jong Il's haircut?

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,432290,00.jpg
May 2003 - "Mission Accomplished"
June 2005 - "The mission isn't easy, and it will not be accomplished overnight"
-- G W Bush, freelance writer for The Daily Show.
User avatar
Kylere
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3354
Joined: July 3, 2002, 6:26 pm
Location: Flint, Michigan

Post by Kylere »

I was having it mohawk cut for a Velvet Revolver concert when that was snapped a few months ago heh.
She Dreams in Digital
\"Led Zeppelin taught an entire generation of young men how to make love, if they just listen\"- Michael Reed(2005)
User avatar
Cartalas
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 4364
Joined: July 3, 2002, 2:39 pm
Location: Kyoukan's Mouth

Post by Cartalas »

Looking good Kylere keep it up.
*~*stragi*~*
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3876
Joined: July 3, 2002, 1:59 pm
Gender: Male
XBL Gamertag: kimj0ngil
Location: Ahwatukee, Arizona
Contact:

Post by *~*stragi*~* »

Zaelath wrote:Dude... why you biting on Kim Jong Il's haircut?

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,432290,00.jpg
oh man haha
User avatar
noel
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 10003
Joined: August 22, 2002, 1:34 am
Gender: Male
Location: Calabasas, CA

Post by noel »

There really are some things you should just keep to yourself Kylere. :P
Oh, my God; I care so little, I almost passed out.
User avatar
Kylere
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3354
Joined: July 3, 2002, 6:26 pm
Location: Flint, Michigan

Post by Kylere »

Why Aranuil?

I have an oddly happy marriage, good stepkids, a job I hate, and I have no self esteem issues.
She Dreams in Digital
\"Led Zeppelin taught an entire generation of young men how to make love, if they just listen\"- Michael Reed(2005)
User avatar
masteen
Super Poster!
Super Poster!
Posts: 8197
Joined: July 3, 2002, 12:40 pm
Gender: Mangina
Location: Florida
Contact:

Post by masteen »

You forgot "BIG BIG HAIR!"
"There is at least as much need to curb the cruel greed and arrogance of part of the world of capital, to curb the cruel greed and violence of part of the world of labor, as to check a cruel and unhealthy militarism in international relationships." -Theodore Roosevelt
User avatar
Kylere
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3354
Joined: July 3, 2002, 6:26 pm
Location: Flint, Michigan

Post by Kylere »

No, big bad hair was when it was mohawked LOL
She Dreams in Digital
\"Led Zeppelin taught an entire generation of young men how to make love, if they just listen\"- Michael Reed(2005)
User avatar
Noysyrump
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1202
Joined: January 19, 2004, 2:42 am
Location: San Diego, CA

Post by Noysyrump »

[sarcasm]OMG yes burn those people who would keep harmful animals as pets![/sarcasm]

SYDNEY (AFP) - Millions of animals -- from camels to cane toads, horses and foxes -- face extermination in Australia under recommendations by a parliamentary committee.

A population explosion of species introduced to this isolated continent since European settlement began more than 200 years ago is a growing threat to agriculture and native wildlife, the committee of inquiry has found.

"The exotic species need to be eradicated," committee chairman Alby Schultz told AFP. "That's the first point I make."

Shooting and poisoning would be among methods recommended by the committee, which has been investigating the problem for more than a year and will present its report to parliament by early November, he said.

The Department of the Environment lists animals of "significant concern" as including feral camels (500,000), horses (300,000), donkeys (five million), pigs (up to 23 million), cane toads, European wild rabbits, European red foxes, cats and goats.
Sick Balls!
User avatar
Sionistic
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3092
Joined: September 20, 2002, 10:17 pm
Gender: Male
Location: Piscataway, NJ

Post by Sionistic »

23 million pigs? They cant make a meat market with that?
User avatar
Gemily
Star Farmer
Star Farmer
Posts: 497
Joined: September 5, 2002, 4:14 pm
Contact:

Post by Gemily »

Kylere is cute :vv_cat-chu:
User avatar
Kylere
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3354
Joined: July 3, 2002, 6:26 pm
Location: Flint, Michigan

Post by Kylere »

Gemily wrote:Kylere is cute :vv_cat-chu:
Blush!

See and I thought my wife was lying when she said that, and she got mad when I did not believe her.
She Dreams in Digital
\"Led Zeppelin taught an entire generation of young men how to make love, if they just listen\"- Michael Reed(2005)
User avatar
Noysyrump
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 1202
Joined: January 19, 2004, 2:42 am
Location: San Diego, CA

Post by Noysyrump »

Ive always pictured kylere as a skinny lil elf man.
Sick Balls!
User avatar
Kylere
Way too much time!
Way too much time!
Posts: 3354
Joined: July 3, 2002, 6:26 pm
Location: Flint, Michigan

Post by Kylere »

6'3 and change 254 this week Noysy.
She Dreams in Digital
\"Led Zeppelin taught an entire generation of young men how to make love, if they just listen\"- Michael Reed(2005)
Post Reply