DeLay indicted

miir · Post by **miir** » September 28, 2005, 4:16 pm

A good start.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050928/ap_ ... estigation

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » September 28, 2005, 5:14 pm

He now must step down as leader... wonder who is on tap

miir · Post by **miir** » September 28, 2005, 5:20 pm

Republicans selected Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., the current Republican whip — No. 3 in the leadership ranks — to fill the vacancy temporarily.

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 28, 2005, 5:28 pm

A defiant DeLay insisted he was innocent and called the prosecutor a "partisan fanatic."

Oh the sweet sweet irony.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » September 28, 2005, 5:52 pm

just another reason to hate freedom killing liberals

miir · Post by **miir** » September 28, 2005, 5:54 pm

Stragi wrote:just another reason to hate freedom killing liberals

Even republicans think delay is scum.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » September 28, 2005, 6:23 pm

Not all of them, remember a few months back they tried to pass a movement in the party to allow Delay to remain the majorty leader even if he was indicted...

Marb

Jice Virago · Post by **Jice Virago** » September 28, 2005, 8:09 pm

This fucker needs to hang, seriously. The entire deal with this indictment goes to the illegal funding during the Texas state legislature elections, which brought the first post reconstruction GOP majority to that body. This in turn allowed the GOP to gerymander the districts in such a way that major democratic voting blocks were divided up and all of the Congressional seats from Texas immediately went to Republicans (save one) as a direct result. This kind of bullshit happens on both sides of the isle, but DeLay was spretty fucking blatant about it and has been a naughty boy in general. He is going to wish he was just lying about a blowjob by the time this shit is over. Frist is probably jumping for joy right now, for the distraction.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 28, 2005, 11:40 pm

Sweet the new republican leader is named Blunt, may be a turn around for them LOL

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » September 29, 2005, 9:24 am

Not unless his first name is Fatty.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 30, 2005, 11:17 am

YOU FKIN IDIOTS!!!!!!! Its about politics plain and simple....You cant beat them then try and find any means to undercut them and get them out of power...... You people do not care about the majority at all....you do not care about the vote AT ALL....As long as democrats keep control your happy. And fk anyone who gets in the way.

WHAT WAS ILLEGAL IS THAT TEXAS WAS CONTROLED BY DEMOCRATS!!!!! EVEN THOUGH 60-70% OF US VOTED FOR REPUBLICANS CONSTANTLY..THEY WERE FKING US HARD..TX IS A FKING RED RED REPUBLICAN STATE.....DELAY FUKED THEM OVER AND WE THE MAJORITY (REPUBLICANS IN TX) FINALLY GAINED FKIN CONTROL...HE beat them like a hammer with the majority and the voters of our state. Now they are whining like Jice and want his head...trying to do anything to destroy him....with shit that wont stick..Just to make him used goods. It is the only way they can do anything...is destroy destroy destroy.

The democrats use any means to keep control as they were in TX. BTW the Delay thing will backfire because the indicment holds no water....Hell be back in power by December..

Here is the truth of the matter and what it is all about:
Los Angeles Times : "The indictment of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) undercuts one of President Bush's most powerful allies.

"The departure from the leadership ranks of DeLay, a commanding figure in the House's machinery for enforcing party discipline, could hamper Republicans' ability to advance political and legislative agendas."

In order to stop republicans who get majority of the vote you guys would rather burn down america and shit on it pointing at yourself saying we suck. FKIN PUSSY BITCHES

major democratic voting blocks were divided up and all of the Congressional seats from Texas immediately went to Republicans (save one) as a direct result

THEY NEEDED TO BE REDRAWN: How the fk does a State that is 70% republican...be controled in the legislature by Democrats!!!! Democrats were the ones doing shit illegally to hold the power from the people.

NOW ANSWER A FKIN EASY QUESTION?????

Is TX a DEMOCRAT STATE or a REPUBLICAN STATE? HMMMM are you stupid or what!

Republicans won victories at every level of government In Texas, Republicans won 87% of all races from District Attorney and up.

miir · Post by **miir** » September 30, 2005, 11:20 am

Sirton is off his meds again.

*~*stragi*~* · Post by ***~*stragi*~*** » September 30, 2005, 11:21 am

reality <---> sirton

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » September 30, 2005, 11:30 am

Sirton have you ever looked at the US population map in regards to the 2004 election? If you have then you will notice that most of the major population centers where people are more educated voted Democrat. You will also notice that most poor populations voted Democrat as well. You can TYPE IN CAPS all you want that Delay didn't do anything... if he didn't we will find out. But at least those investigating him didn't have to waste 30+ million dollars of OUR (including you) money to find nothing illegal so they stooped to personal attacks and bring up someone getting a blow.

Just because the majorty of the state votes one way in one race doesn't mean they would vote that way in the others. Look at Arkansas, we have a Republican Gov. (who has done a pretty good job BTW) but both our Senators and most of our Reps are Democrats why? because most intelligent people (yes and I'm REALLY stretching that) will vote more for the person than the party. Many local officials win, Rep or Dem only because of 1 issue, Sirton I KNOW that you are smart enough to know that. So don't post a big thing that just because local officials are one thing that means the GOP was getting screwed, you know that's bullshit. If that was the case most Southern States would have been Blue rather than Red.

Marb

Adex_Xeda · Post by **Adex_Xeda** » September 30, 2005, 11:36 am

There's not much to the case against him from what I read.

The accusation does more damage than the reality of it.

BTW I don't like Delay. I like my polititicians to be beyond reproach.

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 30, 2005, 11:41 am

So reality is that TX is a democrat state. Hell next thing your going to tell me I voted democrat.

Its all about Delay the hammer taking TX away from democrat control...when they didnt have the vote to rightfully claim it.

The facts are the House seats should be proportional to the way people vote. Now they are in TX. ANd the Dems are going after Delay, because he made that wrong a right.

BTW Marbus I posted the election results in major cities and I studied 2004 election results more than just about anyone.

Ill find them again if I must, but Bush won almost half of the top 10 cities and he won about 20 of the top 50 cities...Of coarse that is the presidental election and not the congressional.

The Dems won the poor and the pin heads(people with my level of education)..The Dems won the NE and coastal regions along the atlantic and pacific. The republicans won those with college lvl education and people who make more money.

Dems get graduate lvl mainly cause they get professors and lawyers in mass. Repubs get highschool and college graduates...Dems get the non-educated...YES THATS WHAT THE EXIT POLLS SAID. The Dems get the very young 18 to about 30...The Repubs get age rnges around 31-60 approx....then its about split. Women=Dem..Men=Repub..again this is for president not congress.

Just because the majorty of the state votes one way in one race doesn't mean they would vote that way in the others

Did you not read what I wrote...Republicans won 87% of the races in TX not just one or two. But still the dems had the power in the US house....Delay broke it...and this is about revenge.

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » September 30, 2005, 11:52 am

Yea I know you posted a lot of results because I follow the links

Maybe that came out wrong, I didn't mean that TX was primarily full of democrats but I would be interesting in seeing the party registraion lines. I say that because just because the Republicans won most of the elections last time doesn't mean that many of the people voting for them this 1 time weren't democrats.

Again let me use my state as an example... (these number are aproxx for example only)
Bush won like 70% of the vote here...
Huckabee won like 70%...

Now those same voters that over whelmingly voted Republican for Pres and Gov. voted Democrat for both Senators and most Representives.

In small town politics as I said it's usually 1 issue and to me that doesn't justifiably represent the party at a National or State level.

So THIS TIME many people voted Republican, even some of the Democrats (hey, Dems been looking shabby on canidates recently) so Delay takes advantage of this situation to redraw the line to make sure that in the next election, when the Dems may have someone to run in those areas, that his buddies can retain power... I don't see what the stretch is here. I have NO idea if he is guilty or not but the idea sounds EXACTLY like the kind of things that were being discussed when I was heavly involved in Republican party (and one of the reasons I left) so my personal experience tells me he probably did it... why wouldn't he? Morals? HAHAH... what's that phrase about wool and eyes?

Marb

Sirton · Post by **Sirton** » September 30, 2005, 12:47 pm

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/ ... states/TX/

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/ ... list6.html

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/TX00senate.html96 Sen. Race R55%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2002/pages/ ... index.html02 Senate R55%

http://www.evote.com/elections2000/resu ... tes/TX.asp Senante and Pres 2000...Kay got 65% and Bush got 59%

Last House vote after Delays work.
21R 12D: 63% seats goto R...which according to most state wide votes thats about the accurate %. Maybe upto 5% too high or in other words 1 seat.

Before Dems and there gerrymandering had about 55% of the seats but only would get 40% of the vote.

The democrats gerrymandered TX for so long that they held on control here..they finally lost it....Just add up the numbers they shouldnt even be close..Atleast now is similar to the reflected statewide votes...I cant find actual registration numbers, but next best thing is to look at statewide votes and then add up the numbers for the house seats and see the percent.

Look I do think gerrymandering is stupid and both sides are guilty of it...and there should be a better system..but atleast now the numbers are more acurate.

Noysyrump · Post by **Noysyrump** » September 30, 2005, 1:26 pm

If your not a liberal when your young, you have no heart. If your not a conservative when your older, you have no common sense. -- Churchill.

I never did understand why university professors are so flamingly democrat. Democrat polotics tend to try and sway the uneducated vote in there direction. While Republicans aim for the more affluent and more informed. Never understood what drew in proffesers. my guess is they like to control more.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 30, 2005, 2:02 pm

I never did understand why university professors are so flamingly democrat. Democrat polotics tend to try and sway the uneducated vote in there direction. While Republicans aim for the more affluent and more informed. Never understood what drew in proffesers. my guess is they like to control more.

Talk to one and find out. Alternately, read one of their books. Professors are about as publicly available as people get-- their personal contact information is usually on the internet, they often respond to emails, and professors of politics are generally even required to publish widely available professional-grade papers and books on their political ideas. They do explain themselves.

Sirton is generally right about republican-democrat demographics. Democrats draw very powerfully upon the votes of the two main groups, first; the poor and uneducated, and second; the very wealthy and highly educated. Those with graduate degrees tend to vote democratic. Republicans do well with everyone in the middle. There are more total people in the middle than there are on the extremes, but democrats draw more strongly in the middle than republicans do on the extremes, which keeps the country at very near an even split.

Tom DeLay's indictment is certainly partially due to politics. It may not be the case that the district attorney is filing this suit because of politics, but political forces have led to the focus upon Tom DeLay's ethics and financing, and this case probably would not have been initiated without politics. It's an example of revenge and the Democrats learing from the Republicans. Remember when the Republicans aggressively attacked Tom Daschle and drove the (former) majority leader from office? The Democrats are doing the same thing to DeLay. He's going to be forced to use his time and money on defending himself legally and from a strong election challenge. He'll be ineffective as a party figure in the upcoming elections, and may very well lose his seat.

Niffoni · Post by **Niffoni** » September 30, 2005, 6:14 pm

Noysyrump wrote:I never did understand why university professors are so flamingly democrat.

Probably because they're educated and employed.

(Let's see if I can boost this thread to 3 pages!)

Sumdaor · Post by **Sumdaor** » September 30, 2005, 7:14 pm

Don't most CEO's vote republican?