Not sure...

Marbus · Post by **Marbus** » September 13, 2005, 1:26 pm

Not sure what this means but depending on his follow up actions he might just gain a little bit of my respect back.

BREAKING NEWS President Bush says he takes responsibility for the federal government's failures in responding to Hurricane Katrina. Details soon.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/13/ ... index.html

Marb

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 13, 2005, 1:37 pm

He qualified it in the first sentence, I don't expect much.

to the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility

Was it perfect? Not at all, but they didn't do too badly either all things considered.

I'd like to see the Mayor and Governor resign once this is over.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 13, 2005, 7:46 pm

The Mayor of New Orleans has proven himself unfit, of course their city council, governor, all the citizens who voted against levee improvements etc, share in the responsibility. Blame goes all the way down to cops and firefighters who could not work together (This is not unique BTW)

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 14, 2005, 12:06 am

Aabidano wrote:He qualified it in the first sentence, I don't expect much.
to the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility
Was it perfect? Not at all, but they didn't do too badly either all things considered.

I'd like to see the Mayor and Governor resign once this is over.

I agree.

From what I saw, the mayor did nothing but complain about the response, and about the government being racist. He could have been busy doing many far more important things with all the interviews and such he did this in.

Now, I will admit I did not watch the news constantly as this was going on, but I did watch quite a bit. I did not see/hear one statement from the governor.

I am not saying the federal government does not need to help/be held responsible, so don't take this the wrong way. But if you ask me, the first line of defense is the state government, and in no way have I heard of any huge efforts the mayor or governor made (bitching on CNN helped no one, no where) And they should be held just as much or more accountable.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » September 14, 2005, 12:06 am

when did the mayor show himself unfit...I am curious?

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 14, 2005, 12:13 am

Off the top of my head.. Um, cursing on national television about the response of the federal government while he should have been busy doing something.

I don't care how upset he was, or how inadequete he thought the response was, he is a political figure representing the local government, and had no right to carry himself like that, regardless if he apologized for it after or not.

What do you think would happen if Bush got on national television and said something like "The mayors response to this has been total horeshit" ??

Dregor Thule · Post by **Dregor Thule** » September 14, 2005, 12:19 am

Heaven forbid someone lose their cool on TV. Especially cursing! Gah... I'm feeling ill just thinking about it. I'd say if he was throwing down the cuss words then he really *was* representing the local government and its people.

I still think Nagin is a buffoon, but that's beside the point. Shit.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 14, 2005, 12:22 am

Answer my question.

Edit:

Since no one else will, I will for myself.

What would happen is a lot of you on these boards would be talking about how he is so out of line, and so would a big part of the rest of the country.
But because this two bit prick mayor is upset about the federal governments response it makes it ok?

The answer is no, it does not.

And to explain myself even a bit further, I am against censorship, swear quite a bit, and do not mind one bit to hear it, but that doesn't mean it's inappropriate in certain situations, or from certain people.

Fairweather Pure · September 14, 2005, 12:24 am

I thought the mayor did a decent job with what he had. He got all the people he could to higher ground, which was always New Orelan's disaster plan anyway. Once on higher ground, they wait for state and federal aid, which was suppossed to arrive within 2 days. This is where they got fuckered and what he was so upset about. He upheld his end of the bargin as much as he could. However, the govenor was a worthless twat, holding up aid for at least a day.

Btw, who gives a fuck if he's swearing on TV? The guy has passion for his city and it's people and he's not taking this record breaking, collossal fuck-up lightly. I'll take a human being over a robot politician any day of the week. I'm more worried about the politicians that can stand around all that death and destruction and either stay stone faced or smile like a fucking idiot into the camera.

Sueven · Post by **Sueven** » September 14, 2005, 12:26 am

What do you think would happen if Bush got on national television and said something like "The mayors response to this has been total horeshit" ??

Both are inappropriate, but Bush's would be significantly more inappropriate, as one is a mayor and the other is a President.

Imagine that the United Nations was a world government with control over us and everyone else when the Yellowstone supervolcano erupted. If the UN fucked around for a week instead of helping us, wouldn't you want Bush to get up on his pulpit and express some frustration?

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 14, 2005, 12:32 am

Pherr the Dorf wrote:when did the mayor show himself unfit...I am curious?

When 90% of the City and school buses were under water and not used to evacuate the sick and elderly.

Go look up NO disaster plan it clearly states what power the mayor has and one of them was to order all buses to be used for evacuation. they were not!!! end of story.

Funkmasterr · Post by **Funkmasterr** » September 14, 2005, 12:32 am

He could express his frustration in many ways besides cursing.

I am starting to feel a bit like im preaching and I don't want it to seem that way, I just think he was out of line.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 14, 2005, 12:32 am

nm Double post!

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 14, 2005, 2:18 am

Funkmasterr wrote:Off the top of my head.. Um, cursing on national television about the response of the federal government while he should have been busy doing something.

Wrong. That was during a local radio station interview (WWL-AM). The TV stations are who rebroadcast it nationally. Around the world really...

Of course now your come back will be he shouldn't have said it all in any forum.

So basically I disagree with you (about the other stuff as well). No surprise there. Goddamn right!

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » September 14, 2005, 2:26 am

Cartalas wrote:
Pherr the Dorf wrote:when did the mayor show himself unfit...I am curious?
When 90% of the City and school buses were under water and not used to evacuate the sick and elderly.

Go look up NO disaster plan it clearly states what power the mayor has and one of them was to order all buses to be used for evacuation. they were not!!! end of story.

BAHAHAHA I been hearin this trash for a week now... he usedpublic busses not school busses like in the plan... the plan was

Instead, local buses were used to ferry people from 12 pickup points to poorly supplied "shelters of last resort" in the city. An estimated 50,000 New Orleans households have no access to cars, Wilmot said.

So he used public busses to do the job school busses were supposed to... the problem is the plan left the people IN the city, and the FEDERAL government failed them after, not which busses he used to get people to high ground as described in the plan... read the facts...all of them, it helps you debate

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 14, 2005, 7:02 am

Pherr the Dorf wrote:So he used public busses to do the job school busses were supposed to... the problem is the plan left the people IN the city, and the FEDERAL government failed them after, not which busses he used to get people to high ground as described in the plan... read the facts...all of them, it helps you debate

From what I've read, those people were supposed to have been gotten out of the city entirely. Dropping your load and waiting for daddy to come take care of you is a very poor response. Especially when your plan says otherwise. They knew a big storm was coming, and failed to take the measures in their own plans to take care of the short term needs of thier own people.

The backup plans for communications all relied on related systems, or systems known to have severe limitations. It wasn't set up for worst case, just like everything else. That's the only thing I've noticed on the police\fire side and not likely their fault. Those folks did as well as they could in the circumstances, with the exception of a few looters anyway. There are scumbags in any group.

The mayor and governor both did a half assed job, and assumed the feds would be able to wave federal dollars at the problem and fix it immediately. Unfortunately the governor was just inept enough not to know how our government works. The governors of MS and AL apparently did, they asked for and got most of what they needed while LA's was wringing her hands and bitching.

Preparing for or responding to a worst case scenario (and this wasn't worst case) is much more expensive and involved than taking reasonable measures. It's a gamble. They lost.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 14, 2005, 8:51 am

Pherr the Dorf wrote:
Cartalas wrote:
Pherr the Dorf wrote:when did the mayor show himself unfit...I am curious?
When 90% of the City and school buses were under water and not used to evacuate the sick and elderly.

Go look up NO disaster plan it clearly states what power the mayor has and one of them was to order all buses to be used for evacuation. they were not!!! end of story.
BAHAHAHA I been hearin this trash for a week now... he usedpublic busses not school busses like in the plan... the plan was
Instead, local buses were used to ferry people from 12 pickup points to poorly supplied "shelters of last resort" in the city. An estimated 50,000 New Orleans households have no access to cars, Wilmot said.
So he used public busses to do the job school busses were supposed to... the problem is the plan left the people IN the city, and the FEDERAL government failed them after, not which busses he used to get people to high ground as described in the plan... read the facts...all of them, it helps you debate

Re read your own quote here "Instead, local buses were used to ferry people from 12 pickup points to poorly supplied "shelters of last resort" in the city. An estimated 50,000 New Orleans households have no access to cars, Wilmot said"

Thank you for proving my point The Mayor FUCKED UP!!!!! . He used a limited supply of busses not all busses!!! and those busses were suppose to take the people to a safe place NOT!!! poorly supplied shelters of last resort, My god these people were givin plenty of time to leave and the Mayor and Gov. were given plenty of time to evacuate now while I think the Federal Govt. dropped the ball on getting help there fast and this disaster should help us to plan for the future. The State and Local govt. were inept at best.

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 14, 2005, 9:16 am

Instead of sitting up a decent evacuation plan the week prior when it looked like it might happen or actually doing any serious preplanning, they freaked out 24 hours out and did piss poor work to help people.

Yeah the Superdome survived bit if the eyewall had moved a few miles west all 10k of those people would have died when that pile of concrete collapsed on them, putting people there was stupid as fuck.

Then since his evacuation was worthless, and he crammed all those people in there with no plan to provide food and water if the hurricane actually hit. he went on television screaming how it was the feds fault without accepting that he is a train wreck of a politician.

Of course LA is the land of Huey, and lying and screaming seem to be anh accepted part of southern politics, but that rat bastard deserved to stay in the Superdome with those people, hell maybe if he had his limo could have brought in food.

But nooooo it is all someone else fault, and i hope when he is rotting in hell, the devil laughs at his conceit.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 14, 2005, 9:58 am

Why didn't Blanco know about these buses?

Better yet, why didn't she and Nagin make use of the buses as called for in the New Orleans Emergency Response Plan? Section III-B-V lists the tasks assigned to the various city government offices in the event of a hurricane catastrophe. The Mayor has three tasks: to initiate the evacuation, to retain overall control of the emergency operation, and then to authorize a return to the evacuated areas. The city's Office of Emergency Preparedness (OEP) reports to the mayor and must coordinate with the NOPD, the state OEP, and the regional transit authorities to:

* Supply transportation as needed in accordance with the current Standard Operating Procedures.

* Place special vehicles on alert to be utilized if needed.

* Position supervisors and dispatch evacuation buses.

* If warranted by scope of evacuation, implement additional service.

Instead, three days after landfall and a full day after the massive flooding, Blanco suddenly came to the conclusion that the buses might be useful. Unfortunately, now they sat under water, along with most of New Orleans and a few thousand of its residents. She got incensed by the lack of buses coming in from the outside -- but all of the eastern access roads to the city got destroyed in the hurricane, and the few left functioning on the west side were being used to bring in relief materials -- which she would deny to the people inside the city for days to come.

All of this has been known to bloggers for a week. I wrote about this on September 4th, and I was not the first (the link above takes you to Junkyard Blog's first report on the subject). The Houston Chronicle reported two days ago that "City officials had 550 municipal buses and hundreds of additional school buses at their disposal but made no plans to use them to get people out of New Orleans before the storm..."

So why can't the New York Times do some research at least equal to that of the Houston Chronicle, and perhaps even as well as the bloggers who have easily researched the New Orleans plan and its requirements? Instead, their report includes assertions such as these:

New Orleans had used $18 million in federal funding since 2002 to stage exercises, train for emergencies and build relay towers to improve emergency communications. After years of delay, a new $16 million command center was to be completed by 2007. There was talk of upgrading emergency power and water supplies at the Superdome, the city's emergency shelter of "last resort," as part of a new deal with the tenants, the New Orleans Saints.
But the city's plan says that about 100,000 residents "do not have means of personal transportation" to evacuate, and there are few details on how they would be sheltered.

But it does say that the issuance of an evacuation order should prompt the mayor to get buses and other transportation assets into play to get those people out who cannot evacuate on their own. It clearly states that the mayor must position supervisors and dispatch evacuation buses. It's difficult to get any more clear than that. Those buses should have been rolling on Sunday, August 29th, with the initial evacuation order.

Why couldn't the Times reporters read that for themselves?

This anecdote and this report tells us all we need to know. It amply demonstrates the incompetence of the state and local authorities, who had no clue about their own emergency response plans in the days and hours before landfall. And it also demonstrates the incompetence of the Exempt Media in reporting the story that continues to this day. (h/t: Tom Maguire)

OHHHH NOOOS I need Busses!!!!!

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/ ... -thumb.jpg

Here are your busses you stupid underqualified Bitch.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » September 14, 2005, 11:13 am

You guys are a riot... seriously... he got pissy and now you attack him.

Few facts

1. He followed the plan given to him by FEMA
2. He used the wrong busses
3. He still got everyone where he was supposed to get them
4. The plan sucked... but it was NOT his plan
5. He called the admin out and they have ADMITTED that...omfg... THE PLAN SUCKED
6. After day 2, which was according to the plan he was given, the day releif was to show, he got PISSED and voiced it on the air... guess what.. a few GOD DAMN's were needed... in fact I dare say his outspoken nature grabbed EVERYONE'S attention fater then they would have, had he been a good sheep...more would have died

The Gov should leave office now... seriously... she was a moron, not the mayor

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 14, 2005, 11:36 am

What I find astonishing is the almost immediate response from Bush Bashers to blame everything that happened, from the actual hurricane itself, to the anarchy that quickly erupted, on the President and his administration. When they do so, they not only distort the truth, they outright lie to the public, and they are doing so daily through any media venue that will give them the opportunity.

Lie #1: President Bush doesn’t care about the people of New Orleans.

This outrageous lie is thoroughly debunked by the fact that it was President Bush who pushed for a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans.(1) Governor Blanco issued only a voluntary evacuation order, but admitted that she received a call from the President on August 27, 2005, urging her to make it a mandatory one. He wanted as many people as possible out of the path of the storm.

So much for the President not caring.

Despite the fact that New Orlean’s own Emergency Response Guidelines call for a mandatory evacuation of the City if a strike by a Category 3 Hurricane is projected, with 72 hours advance notice to all residents, Mayor Nagin didn’t order a mandatory evaluation until Sunday. Further, he only did so after Max Maxfield, the National Hurricane Director, called Nagin at his home to plead that he empty the City. (2)

Why did Nagin wait so long? He was worried about the legalities. If people want to affix blame, perhaps they can look at lawyers.

How ironic, that The Drudge Report (3) and Free Republic (4) have pictures of dozens of New Orleans’ submerged and now useless school buses, buses that could have been used to transport residents out of the City prior to the storm, bring in supplies after the storm, and help evacuees escape the flooding. Meanwhile, Governor Blanco issued a request to the State of Louisiana to provide her with buses from local school districts.

According to a Washington Post report on Sunday, September 4, “Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.”

Bush’s offer to have the federal government aid in the evacuation was rejected. (5)

Lie #2: The Bush Administration was slow in coordinating help.

Mike Brown, Under Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security for Emergency Response and Preparedness, received the order from President Bush on August 27, two full days before the storm hit the region, to prepare for Katrina disaster relief. (6) The President also declared the entire region under a State of Emergency, so that FEMA could coordinate efforts at the request of the Governors. (7) Under the Emergency Management Assistance Compact, the Federal Government and FEMA are not allowed to interfere with local operations unless they are authorized by state and local leaders.

Blanco did not authorize this until September 1, 2005.

Further, according to an Association Press report on August 30, “The federal government began rushing baby formula, communications equipment, generators, water and ice into hard-hit areas of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, along with doctors, nurses and first-aid supplies. The U.S. Defense Department sent experts to help with search-and-rescue operations.” (8) FEMA was there and helping, in the capacity that was allowed by local officials, but could not swing into full gear until after Blanco gave them permission.

Lie #3: The Bush Administration did nothing to control the anarchy.

The local and state governments have control over law enforcement activities in their state, and such activities could only be coordinated through the federal government with their permission. It was not until terrible reports of rapes and violence, videos of looting, and reports of shoots being fired at rescue workers did Governor Blanco relinquish any claim of control on an out-of-control city.

An August 31, 2005 Fox News Report reveals, “The looting prompted authorities to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed personnel carrier into the city. One police officer was shot in the head by a looter but was expected to recover, authorities said. Blanco said she will ask President Bush for military troops to help keep looting under control.” (9) Almost immediately thereafter, FEMA, the military, and the Bush Administration began to restore order.

Further, on September 2, 2005, the Bush administration “sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law.” (10)

miir · Post by **miir** » September 14, 2005, 11:49 am

Why don't you post your own opinions instead of cut and pasting shit that other people write.

Or are you too fucking stupid to form your own sentences and opinions?
Or maybe you're still trying to figure out how to spell 'buses' correctly.

Seriously... are you mentally handicapped?

miir · Post by **miir** » September 14, 2005, 12:04 pm

In the future, if you're going to plagiarise do the following so it's not so obvious.

- Mispell every second or third word
- Whenever possible, mix up your/you're, lose/loose, to/two/too etc
- Random capital letters
- Excessive punctuation
- Add unnecessary words at the beginning, middle and end of every sentence
- Run on sentences
- Random capslock sentences.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 14, 2005, 12:49 pm

I thought I was on ignore you Dumb ass I find it funny how you tell everyone yoru ignoring my post but yet you comment on them all the time.

Oh im sorry like I thought anyone would think I wrote that are you that stupid!!!!

But here is the source that I forgot to paste in opps OMG I created a felony

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/ ... 05evac.htm

I find it funny that instead of countering any of those statements you attack me oh well.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » September 14, 2005, 1:02 pm

Actually Cart, I blame the Senate for letting Brown become Director in the first place... the man was seriously underqualified... tho now the guy runnin it said americans should use duct tape in case of chemical attack on the US so he's a twit too. Simple fact is... this storm could have been a lot worse.... A LOT worse... if this is the sort of disorganization we have after being able to look and see a disaster coming... what would our reactions have been like in the case of another 9/11... kinda chilling to think about huh?

I think Bush is a fraud, but in this case he is a victim of the good ole boy network that is pervasive in EVERY Administration

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » September 14, 2005, 1:11 pm

I agree Pherr I think Brown should of stepped down. And I blame Bush and the Feds for allowing him to be in office but shit rolls down hill and there were a lot of flaws here I hope we all learn from them.

Aabidano · Post by **Aabidano** » September 14, 2005, 1:23 pm

Pherr the Dorf wrote:what would our reactions have been like in the case of another 9/11... kinda chilling to think about huh?

Not really, as long as it doesn't happen in LA. The other areas that have had disasters occur since Bush shuffled everything around haven't had any major glitches. Competent state and local officials have held down the fort until federal assistance arrived. Like MS and AL did in this case.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » September 14, 2005, 1:37 pm

Aabidano wrote:
Pherr the Dorf wrote:what would our reactions have been like in the case of another 9/11... kinda chilling to think about huh?
Not really, as long as it doesn't happen in LA. The other areas that have had disasters occur since Bush shuffled everything around haven't had any major glitches. Competent state and local officials have held down the fort until federal assistance arrived. Like MS and AL did in this case.

I saw bodies rotting on the streets of mississippi days later, if that's what 48 hours notice gets you... no notice would be total chaos

masteen · Post by **masteen** » September 14, 2005, 5:23 pm

Expecting the Federal government to clean up your mess the day after is simply not realistic. The initial responsiblity falls on the city and state, NOT the Fed. Just another example of how people at all levels of society are trading in their individual responsibilities and entering the culture of victimization we've been cultivating for the last 30 years.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » September 14, 2005, 5:41 pm

Victimisation?

Your mess?

What teh hoof?!

Personally the richest country in the world should be able to be a bit more compassionate towards it's own people when it feels so strongly about helping country's that want nothing to do with it.

Please tell the rotting mess of that old woman dead on the side of the road being eaten by rats 9 days later that her mess is her own problem.

It's called civilization, and obviously I don't think this mess can be cleaned up in a day or two, but it's just as much your mess as hers, you are in the same fucking country and you both pay taxes and you are both allegedly Americans.

That is some heartless shit right there.

Metanis · Post by **Metanis** » September 15, 2005, 12:00 am

Pherr the Dorf wrote:You guys are a riot... seriously... he got pissy and now you attack him.

Few facts

1. He followed the plan given to him by FEMA
2. He used the wrong busses
3. He still got everyone where he was supposed to get them
4. The plan sucked... but it was NOT his plan
5. He called the admin out and they have ADMITTED that...omfg... THE PLAN SUCKED6. After day 2, which was according to the plan he was given, the day releif was to show, he got PISSED and voiced it on the air... guess what.. a few GOD DAMN's were needed... in fact I dare say his outspoken nature grabbed EVERYONE'S attention fater then they would have, had he been a good sheep...more would have died

The Gov should leave office now... seriously... she was a moron, not the mayor

Man, I gotta call you on this.

Since when is the USA Federal Government responsible for local emergency management and planning?

Since when do we have a big daddy government in Washington dictating local policy and action?

The PLAN you speak of was a local plan... and the honorable Mayor was too scatterbrained to follow it.

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 15, 2005, 1:19 am

Cartalas wrote:Lie #2: The Bush Administration was slow in coordinating help.

Mike Brown, Under Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security for Emergency Response and Preparedness, received the order from President Bush on August 27, two full days before the storm hit the region, to prepare for Katrina disaster relief. (6) The President also declared the entire region under a State of Emergency, so that FEMA could coordinate efforts at the request of the Governors. (7) Under the Emergency Management Assistance Compact, the Federal Government and FEMA are not allowed to interfere with local operations unless they are authorized by state and local leaders.

Blanco did not authorize this until September 1, 2005.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=53236

WASHINGTON, Sept. 13 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Pursuant to a September 7 request by Representative John Conyers to review the law and legal accountability relating to Federal action in response to Hurricane Katrina, the Congressional Research Service (CRS) issued a report today about whether the Governor of Louisiana took the necessary and timely steps needed to secure disaster relief from the federal government. The report unequivocally concludes that she did.

Congressman Conyers issued the following statement:

"This report closes the book on the Bush Administration's attempts to evade accountability by shifting the blame to the Governor of Louisiana for the Administration's tragically sluggish response to Katrina. It confirms that the Governor did everything she could to secure relief for the people of Louisiana and the Bush Administration was caught napping at a critical time."

In addition to finding that "...it would appear that the Governor did take the steps necessary to request emergency and major disaster declarations for the State of Louisiana in anticipation of Hurricane Katrina. (p.11)" The report found that:

-- All necessary conditions for federal relief were met on August 28. Pursuant to Section 502 of the Stafford Act, "(t)he declaration of an emergency by the President makes Federal emergency assistance available," and the President made such a declaration on August 28. The public record indicates that several additional days passed before such assistance was actually made available to the State;

-- The Governor must make a timely request for such assistance, which meets the requirements of federal law. The report states that "(e)xcept to the extent that an emergency involves primarily Federal interests, both declarations of major disaster and declarations of emergency must be triggered by a request to the President from the Governor of the affected state";

-- The Governor did indeed make such a request, which was both timely and in compliance with federal law. The report finds that "Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco requested by letter dated August 27, 2005...that the President declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina for the time period from August 26, 2005 and continuing pursuant to (applicable Federal statute)" and "Governor Blanco's August 27, 2005 request for an emergency declaration also included her determination...that 'the incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of disaster."

Original report at http://opencrs.cdt.org/getfile.php?rid=41516

So... I'm confused. What exactly didn't she authorize until Sep 1st? What further authorization was required?

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » September 15, 2005, 3:06 am

Met... FEMA has used the flooding of New Orleans as a test model for years... it's no secret, just like SF with a 9.0 quake, if these worst case scenarios happens... local officials are to follow FEMA's plan, the subject has been being talked about locally here for a week, how to get the first responders into the city, all of it... the plans are all hugely flawed, as was demonstrated by katrinar

Kylere · Post by **Kylere** » September 15, 2005, 8:57 am

So if this is FEMA
s fault, somehow that is Bush's fault? The FEAM that has been a around for a while? How often do you think they spend money to reevaluate.

The lowest level of responsibility fucked the pig on this one, and so did the highest, blaming it on race or Bush can only be done by utterly stupid fucks.

Bubba Grizz · Post by **Bubba Grizz** » September 15, 2005, 9:22 am

Heard on the news today that a lot of people are getting told that they have no insurance money coming because it is considered flood damage and their policy doesn't cover flood damage. So that house with the roof torn off that is stuck in a number of nearby trees is considered flood damage. This will either make or break the insurance companies.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » September 15, 2005, 10:49 am

Kylere wrote:So if this is FEMA
s fault, somehow that is Bush's fault? The FEAM that has been a around for a while? How often do you think they spend money to reevaluate.

The lowest level of responsibility fucked the pig on this one, and so did the highest, blaming it on race or Bush can only be done by utterly stupid fucks.

As stated above... Bush is guilty of the good ole boy network, nothing new for any administration, just that FEMA Chief is a really stupid stupid place to get busted out on this (much better to have a good HUD scandal)

Aslanna · Post by **Aslanna** » September 15, 2005, 11:45 am

FEMA under Clinton was a respected organization. It's been gutted by Bush. And let's not forget he appointed a total clueless moron to run it. Do some research and you'll see.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » September 15, 2005, 11:47 am

Aslanna wrote:FEMA under Clinton was a respected organization. It's been gutted by Bush. And let's not forget he appointed a total clueless moron to run it. Do some research and you'll see.

It's not so clear cut... with the DHS coming into play lots of power was transferred out of FEMA, in my opinion it needs someone with enough vision to reshape it and hone it to be effective