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CNN - World Opinion Favors China over USA

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States' image is so tattered overseas two years after the Iraq invasion that communist China is viewed more favorably than the U.S. in many long-time Western European allies, an international poll has found.

The poor image persists even though the Bush administration has been promoting freedom and democracy throughout the world in recent months -- which many viewed favorably -- and has sent hundreds of millions of dollars in relief aid to Indian Ocean nations hit by the devastating December 26 tsunami.

"It's amazing when you see the European public rating the United States so poorly, especially in comparison with China," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, which surveyed public opinion in 16 countries, including the United States.

In Britain, almost two-thirds of Britons, 65 percent, saw China favorably, compared with 55 percent who held a positive view of the United States.

In France, 58 percent had an upbeat view of China, compared with 43 percent who felt that way about the U.S. The results were nearly the same in Spain and the Netherlands.

The United States' favorability rating was lowest among three Muslim nations which are also U.S. allies -- Turkey, Pakistan and Jordan -- where only about one-fifth of those polled viewed the U.S. in a positive light.

Only India and Poland were more upbeat about the United States, while Canadians were just as likely to see China favorably as they were the U.S.

The poll found suspicion and wariness of the United States in many countries where people question the war in Iraq and are growing wary of the U.S.-led campaign against terrorism.

"The Iraq war has left an enduring impression on the minds of people around the world in ways that make them very suspicious of U.S. intentions and makes the effort to win hearts and minds far more difficult," said Shibley Telhami, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.

The overseas image of the United States slipped sharply after the Iraq invasion in 2003, the Pew polling found, and it has not rebounded in Western European countries like Britain, France, Germany and Spain.

However the U.S. image has bounced back in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country which benefited from U.S. aid to tsunami victims, as well as in India and Russia.

Support for the U.S.-led war on terror has dipped in Western countries like Britain, France, Germany, Canada and Spain, while it remains low in the Muslim countries surveyed like Pakistan, Turkey and Jordan.

"The position of the United States as the one surviving superpower is to be assertive in responding in a world of terrorism. But in the rest of the world, there is a great wariness about that," said John Danforth, the former Republican senator from Missouri who also was U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. He is now a St. Louis attorney.

The poll found a positive reaction in European countries to President George W. Bush's campaign for more democracy in countries around the world. People in Muslim countries were wary of the U.S. campaign, but supportive of the idea of democracy in their own countries.

Danforth said the attitudes in the Mideast about democracy were a bright spot.

"We should keep plugging away on democracy," Danforth said. "But we need to do a better job of communicating what we're trying to do."

The survey found that a majority of people in most countries say the United States does not take the interests of other countries into account when making international policy decisions.

It also found most would like to see another country get as much military power as the United States, though few want China to play that role.

People in most countries were more inclined to say the war in Iraq has made the world a more dangerous place. Non-U.S. residents who had unfavorable views of the United States were most likely to cite Bush as the reason rather than a general problem with America.

The polls were taken in various countries from late April to the end of May with samples of about 1,000 in most countries, with more interviewees in India and China and slightly less than 1,000 in the European countries. The margin of sampling error ranged from 2 percentage points to 4 percentage points, depending on the sample size.
Seems to me that the views are distorted. Not sure if the poll had a laundry list of countries for respondents to choose from or if the poll contrasted only the USA and China.

Oddly enough the poll states that most want to see another Super Power emerge but they do not want that to be China.

I think that the combined might of the world surpasses the USA's military might and is the only deterrent needed. I would hate to see another arms race, cold war on the planet.

China's exploding economy, willingness to participate in world markets, and tremendous manufacturing capabilities are adding wealth and technology to their arsenal making them the only contender to the heavy weight belt.

A tad frightening.
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Especially considering that we are highly indebted to them now because of the war...

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Ok I'll ask this in the most non flaming/non trolling way possible.

Are you surprised? Really?
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Why is this surprising? An older world opinion poll about Bush showed that 90% hate the fucker.
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I think Atokal wants to focus on the aspect of China becoming the next superpower rather than degenerate into yet another flame war about how America is viewed. Let's try to salvage a good discussion without descending into yelling and pointless one-liners. We know America isn't viewed very well overseas; however, there have been many articles recently in the newspapers where I'm at right now (Britain) about how China is rapidly becoming a force to reckon with. The country is quickly going to reach our level if they continue their push for a mainstream, modern economy. The only question is, how are they going to turn their country into a technological giant (which one has to be in this day and age to survive) and yet maintain a closed atmosphere which keeps out all the other voices besides the Communist view?
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We likes us some communists.
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Nick wrote:Ok I'll ask this in the most non flaming/non trolling way possible.

Are you surprised? Really?
I'm not.

Our own media has been putting forth the notion that others around the world won't like us and will think badly of us because of everything we do. It has been going on from day one of Bush's actions to 9/11. It has been going on even way before than during the Clinton administration. Americans feel guilty for being so sucessful and have to put forth the notion we are terrible and evil. Is it a shock that when interviewing people who have heard this shit are now regurgitating it back? no. Not surprising.
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Americans feel guilty for being so sucessful and have to put forth the notion we are terrible and evil.
These aren't third world countries we are talking about. The countries in question aer as sucessful as the US.

In some ways another superpower would be good since the world was in fact more stable back then. The balance was set and you didn't have all these smaller countries being threats.

And yeah, China will shortly be a major factor in the world economy. We live in interesting times, that is for certain.
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Kelshara wrote: And yeah, China will shortly be a major factor in the world economy. We live in interesting times, that is for certain.
No doubt there Kel. I completely agree. China will huge.
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At least the article didn't forget Poland!

The U.S. and China will divvy up the world. Stand back and watch. Haven't any of you seen Firefly? Sheesh.
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Its a Pew Research Poll i thought, not a CNN poll. For whatever it is worth.

But basically, even if you like what the US is doing you shouldnt be surprised. China has a very "behind the scenes" way of advancing their agenda. They are in a phase of consolodation and building their power. It would not favor them to do the sorts of things that the US does to preserve its interests at the present time. The kinds of things that can be viewed in an unpopular light in many places.

Midnyte what does "our own media" have to do with it. This poll asked questions of persons who do not get American media in their homes (unless they have CNN International - which is 33% produced in America, 33% produced in London, 33% produced in Hong Kong).
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wheres the other 1% produced!?!

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Voronwë wrote:
Midnyte what does "our own media" have to do with it. This poll asked questions of persons who do not get American media in their homes (unless they have CNN International - which is 33% produced in America, 33% produced in London, 33% produced in Hong Kong).
If you read my post, you would notice I said "even our own media"...even being the keyword there. The point being if everyone on TV, newspapers, radio is saying "the US's actions today surely will cause disdain from the other countries around the world" or "it's obvious others nations have a dislike for America and its ways of greed, etc". I could go on and on. Open your eyes man.
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Marbus wrote:Especially considering that we are highly indebted to them now because of the war...
It started long before that, they own $40 billion of our overseas debt right now.
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Midnyte are you trying to argue that people are only against America because the media tells them to (even in Britain, your closest ally) and not because of the doctrine of pre-emptive strike to retain hegemony or the thousands upon thousands of people killed by a decision mainly made by the USA in the last 4 years?
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The very freedoms and priviledges that most westerners (especially americans) enjoy is exactly why the world has a lower opinion of the USA over china. what do you think the world would think of China if the media was allowed to report freely on their government and law enforcement? their penal system? what about education and health care? christ almighty, what about the fact that they are still a bunch of fucking commies? a fucking commie with a bunch of money is still a fucking commie. sure, a lot of the people might not be communists, but they keep putting up with their near dictatorship government. how long until another revolution?

china requires massive reforms before I will accept them as competitors as a world super power. people are giving them way too much credit recently.
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kyoukan wrote:The very freedoms and priviledges that most westerners (especially americans) enjoy is exactly why the world has a lower opinion of the USA over china. what do you think the world would think of China if the media was allowed to report freely on their government and law enforcement? their penal system? what about education and health care? christ almighty, what about the fact that they are still a bunch of fucking commies? a fucking commie with a bunch of money is still a fucking commie. sure, a lot of the people might not be communists, but they keep putting up with their near dictatorship government. how long until another revolution?

china requires massive reforms before I will accept them as competitors as a world super power. people are giving them way too much credit recently.
hmmm

Well said Kyo.
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Homercles wrote:wheres the other 1% produced!?!

I NEED TO KNOW
Typical Liberal Media type, Voronwe forgot Poland...1% is produced there!
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kyoukan wrote:The very freedoms and priviledges that most westerners (especially americans) enjoy is exactly why the world has a lower opinion of the USA over china. what do you think the world would think of China if the media was allowed to report freely on their government and law enforcement? their penal system? what about education and health care? christ almighty, what about the fact that they are still a bunch of fucking commies? a fucking commie with a bunch of money is still a fucking commie. sure, a lot of the people might not be communists, but they keep putting up with their near dictatorship government. how long until another revolution?

china requires massive reforms before I will accept them as competitors as a world super power. people are giving them way too much credit recently.
Very well said... Its actually frightening to think that there will be another major comunist world superpower. China doesnt get critisized in the media because they dont let the media in...shit, they just started censoring thier internet... and having major internet companies do the same to keep the censorship.

(Edit: I think Voro mispoke about CNN International.... I think its 33.3% in america, 33.3% in Europe, 33.3% in HK and .1% in his basement)
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Ransure wrote:shit, they just started censoring thier internet...
This is not recent.
and having major internet companies do the same to keep the censorship.
This is, but only because they recently entered that market.
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kyoukan wrote:The very freedoms and priviledges that most westerners (especially americans) enjoy is exactly why the world has a lower opinion of the USA over china. what do you think the world would think of China if the media was allowed to report freely on their government and law enforcement? their penal system? what about education and health care? christ almighty, what about the fact that they are still a bunch of fucking commies? a fucking commie with a bunch of money is still a fucking commie. sure, a lot of the people might not be communists, but they keep putting up with their near dictatorship government. how long until another revolution?

china requires massive reforms before I will accept them as competitors as a world super power. people are giving them way too much credit recently.
What does your acceptance have to do with jack and shit?

China will become a Super Power much the same as Russia did regardless of their human rights offences.
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Kyou's acceptance is as relevant as another individual's, and translates into the only way most of us can act on this: by refusing to interact economically with their regime (i.e. minimize/eliminate your purchases of their products/dealings where possible and encourage your employer to follow suit) and to support politicians who want to maintain a distance from China until they show significant improvement with regards to human rights.

One of the reasons China is becoming a power is because we are allowing them to with some of the sweetheart trade deals we are offering them to "gain access" to their 1 billion+ potential consumers. We may not be able to stop them from becoming a superpower (as if they aren't already... they have a significant portion of the world's population) but we may be able affect the rate at which they gain influence.
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Wulfran wrote:Kyou's acceptance is as relevant as another individual's, and translates into the only way most of us can act on this: by refusing to interact economically with their regime (i.e. minimize/eliminate your purchases of their products/dealings where possible and encourage your employer to follow suit) and to support politicians who want to maintain a distance from China until they show significant improvement with regards to human rights.

One of the reasons China is becoming a power is because we are allowing them to with some of the sweetheart trade deals we are offering them to "gain access" to their 1 billion+ potential consumers. We may not be able to stop them from becoming a superpower (as if they aren't already... they have a significant portion of the world's population) but we may be able affect the rate at which they gain influence.
Now that was well said. However, consider all the products we purchase at discount prices and see where they are made. Global competition has created a situation where anyone who wants to be competitive has to leverage the manufacturing capabilities and price points coming out of China.

In a world where chopping people from an organization is no longer a viable cost cutting option, saving money will increasingly fall to the manufacturing sector. Presently China can manufacture goods far more cheaply with acceptable quality than can factories in North America and Europe.

The market in China is exploding, new wealth means purchases of cars, motorcycles, cell phones, etc. which of course means more money for the companies exporting these finished goods. Refusing to interact with their Regime is in fact a great idea. But it will not happen because the corporate world's thinking is taking a different slant; it's not what you make, its what you save.
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I find it amusing and quite ironic that it is the free market (and capitalism) that is making a superpower out of a communist country.
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Wulfran wrote: We may not be able to stop them from becoming a superpower (as if they aren't already... they have a significant portion of the world's population) but we may be able affect the rate at which they gain influence.
Population size doesn't equal being a super power. If you go by that, India is the #2 Super Power. Watch out for those Indonesians! Nigeria, from out of nowhere, takes over the world!

1 People's Republic of China 1,306,313,812
2 India 1,080,264,388
— European Union 457,030,418
3 United States 296,202,709
4 Indonesia 241,973,879
5 Brazil 186,112,794
6 Pakistan 162,419,946
7 Bangladesh 144,319,628
8 Russia 143,420,309
9 Nigeria 128,771,988
10 Japan 127,417,244
11 Mexico 106,202,903
12 Philippines 87,857,473
13 Vietnam 83,535,576
14 Germany 82,468,000
15 Egypt 77,505,756
16 Ethiopia 73,053,286
17 Turkey 69,660,559
18 Iran 68,017,860
19 Thailand 65,444,371
20 France 60,656,178
21 United Kingdom 60,441,457
22 Democratic Republic of the Congo 60,085,804
23 Italy 58,103,033
24 South Korea 48,422,644
25 Ukraine 47,425,336
26 South Africa 44,344,136
27 Spain 43,209,511
28 Colombia 42,954,279
29 Myanmar 42,909,463
30 Sudan 40,187,486
31 Argentina 39,537,943
32 Poland 38,635,144
33 Tanzania 36,766,356
34 Kenya 33,829,590
35 Canada 32,805,041
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