Looks like Sanchez will be the next to pay for the Administration's violations of human rights and the Geneva Convention...Still the complicit fuck needs to go down for this one...WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top U.S. commander in Iraq authorized prisoner interrogation tactics more harsh than accepted Army practice, including using guard dogs to exploit "Arab fear of dogs," a memo made public on Tuesday showed.
Awesome. I'm glad they are giving him the latitude to do what is necessary to get information that can save lives! Very good to hear.Arborealus wrote:That pesky Freedom of Information Act.
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Looks like Sanchez will be the next to pay for the Administration's violations of human rights and the Geneva Convention...Still the complicit fuck needs to go down for this one...WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top U.S. commander in Iraq authorized prisoner interrogation tactics more harsh than accepted Army practice, including using guard dogs to exploit "Arab fear of dogs," a memo made public on Tuesday showed.
...amount to some kind of gross violation of human rights. Using a muzzled dog to scare the crap out of prisoners under certain circumstances, so what? I mean do you realize that some in our own military go through worse conditions than these while training?The memo permitted "stress positions," in which a prisoner is placed in potentially painful bodily positions to try to get them to talk. It allowed for "environmental manipulation" such as making a room hot or cold or using an "unpleasant smell," isolating a prisoner, and disrupting normal sleep patterns.
It allowed the "false flag" technique of "convincing the detainee that individuals from a country other than the United States are interrogating him."
Some of the harshest techniques were disallowed the next month because of opposition from some military lawyers.
It's clear in the article the ACLU is trying to somehow tie in the techniques Sanchez approved of with Abu Ghraib, but it's also clear that none of those techniques were responsible for any of the violations that we saw there.The official said a Pentagon investigation into detainee policies headed by Navy Vice Adm. Albert Church, released March 10, found that "none of the techniques contained in (Sanchez's) interrogation policy would have permitted abuses such as those at Abu Ghraib."
What's also clear is that you don't have a fucking clue about human nature. If you start clearing techniques that are "unconventional" it gives people the idea that they have carte blanche.Brotha wrote:It's clear in the article the ACLU is trying to somehow tie in the techniques Sanchez approved of with Abu Ghraib, but it's also clear that none of those techniques were responsible for any of the violations that we saw there.The official said a Pentagon investigation into detainee policies headed by Navy Vice Adm. Albert Church, released March 10, found that "none of the techniques contained in (Sanchez's) interrogation policy would have permitted abuses such as those at Abu Ghraib."
I for one am embarrassed for the people making a big deal about this memo, not for Sanchez.
And you've made it clear repeatedly that you don't know military personel. Explicity ordered to or not, those people were doing what they were told to do, by someone. Improvisation\imagination is not in the least encouraged in the Army at lower levels, most especially in this sort of field. You follow the rules to the letter. Problems on this large a scale don't happen without systemic causes.Zaelath wrote:What's also clear is that you don't have a fucking clue about human nature. If you start clearing techniques that are "unconventional" it gives people the idea that they have carte blanche.
Well, with the US excellent track record after you guys started this war, i think its more likely that the victim in question will react positively on Saudis than on americans if they fear being tortured.Brotha wrote:What's so wrong with the false flag technique? A prisoner comes in, thinks "oh it's these Americans they can't do shit to me, I'll get 3 meals a day and it will be like living in a hotel." Then suddenly they see three interrogators who seem to be from Saudi Arabia walk into the room and their first reaction is "oh shit, it's people who will torture me, I better talk." Or atleast that's what I'd guess it would be used for. It's just another psychological angle.
Unless he's arab right?Midnyte_Ragebringer wrote:Just because I am not ready to hang someone for the reason you feel so passionately about, doesn't mean I need your clues. kthxbye
I tend to agree with you actually... and then I think about the way the military has officially frowned on bastardisation of their own men for quite a number of years now, and yet it still seems to be done by the rank and file. Sure, you could say that's "known" to be unofficial policy, but it doesn't fit with not going counter to orders as grunts.Aabidano wrote:And you've made it clear repeatedly that you don't know military personel. Explicity ordered to or not, those people were doing what they were told to do, by someone. Improvisation\imagination is not in the least encouraged in the Army at lower levels, most especially in this sort of field. You follow the rules to the letter. Problems on this large a scale don't happen without systemic causes.Zaelath wrote:What's also clear is that you don't have a fucking clue about human nature. If you start clearing techniques that are "unconventional" it gives people the idea that they have carte blanche.
The chain of command certainly knew or should have known what was happening. Either is good enough under military law.
