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Damage to the San Francisco

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Amazing pictures recently released of the San Francisco in dry dock:

http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=21183

http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=21182

In case you missed it, reports say that the San Francisco hit an uncharted underwater moutain while travelling at high speed.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/27/submar ... index.html

Looking at those pictures, I find it amazing that there was only one fatality: by the looks of that damage, that was one heck of an impact, and it's not like there's a lack of steel to hit your head on just walking around anyway.
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Wow...yeah fast reactions to limit the deaths and not lose the boat totally...
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I honestly feel bad for the cap'n of that sub.
The next thing he sees underwater willl be his career, going down the toilet.
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Depends, if the mountain in question does turn out to be completely uncharted, then there is really nothing he could do. And hence he is at no fault.

However, I completely believe the investigation will be much more tedious than that.
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Man that's scary. Those things carry such an incredible amount of firepower.
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Wow, I'm also amazed with only one fatality and the sub being able to survive that impact.

Are you still working with Subs in some capacity Ogbar?
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Winnow wrote:Wow, I'm also amazed with only one fatality and the sub being able to survive that impact.

Are you still working with Subs in some capacity Ogbar?
I still work on a system that gets installed on subs, so, yeah, I still have occasion to hit my head on low hanging valves from time to time. ;)

The more I look at those pictures, the more I wonder if any of the forward ballast tanks were even operational on the cruise back to Guam. Certainly nothing on the port side retained any integrity, and the starboard tanks look like they could be compromised as well. And on top of that, when you consider (according to the CNN link) that part of the sonar dome was hanging off after impact, they really did do an amazing job just getting that ship back to port.

As for the Captain, boats that go bump lose their skippers - that's just the way things are in the Navy. :\
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Ogbar wrote: As for the Captain, boats that go bump lose their skippers - that's just the way things are in the Navy. :\
if the charts were actually wrong and that's not just an excuse to cover something up (i think they were actually playing chicken with a russian sub) then i think the captain deserves a medal for successfully avoiding an even greater disaster.
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Ogbar wrote:
Winnow wrote:Wow, I'm also amazed with only one fatality and the sub being able to survive that impact.

Are you still working with Subs in some capacity Ogbar?
I still work on a system that gets installed on subs, so, yeah, I still have occasion to hit my head on low hanging valves from time to time. ;)
Neat : ) Thanks to my father, I got a tour of a Los Angeles class attack sub in San Diego awhile back. I'm pretty sure it was Los Angeles and not a Seawolf class.

Being claustrophobic made the experience uncomfortable but it was well worth it to see the insides of a sub first hand. It was just like in the movies. Small hallways with plenty of traffic jams. I assume there were no nukes on board or I wouldn't have been allowed anywhere near it. I didn't push any buttons in the control room though just in case : )

It has to take a certain personality to be able to live in one of those for an extended period of time. I remember checking out a much smaller WW2 sub in Hawaii. I climbed down the ladder into the sub to begin the tour and after seeing how small the room was and the little hatchway leading into the next room, I climbed right back out. Screw that : )
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Meant to follow up on this a couple of days ago:
Navy Cmdr. Kevin Mooney will not be charged with any crime and will not be court-martialed.

He received a nonjudicial punishment, most likely in the form of a letter of reprimand from his commander, this week, officials said. Such punishment typically ends an officer's career.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/11/sub.co ... index.html

As expected. :\
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That looks like sonar dome and outer hull damage, it'd make it a bugger to handle but doesn't compromise the people tank. One fatality is pretty surprising, that's a big shock. Imagine running a pickup into a wall with people standing up in the back. It takes a lot of damage to sink a sub, or any other ship for that matter. Assuming the crew is doing what they're supposed to at any rate. They're very compartmentalized.

You should see one right before a deployment Winnow, food is stacked\stored everywhere. The main passageways lose about 18 inches of floor until they eat down through the cases of canned goods stacked there :)
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